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Originally posted by jack90210 View PostYes because a couple of storms in a couple of days over the course of the entire history of earth is conclusive proof.
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Originally posted by Mike Bullocks View PostWell tis hard to find conclusive proof so we got to go with the looks like a duck method until the science world bate the proof into us.
Incredibly straight forward, easy to understand and undeniable proof. They really cant break it down further and simply more than the Temp this year > Temp 5 years ago.
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Originally posted by RichieM View PostThey are measuring changes in the seas and oceans - it is going up consistently since they started measuring years ago.
Incredibly straight forward, easy to understand and undeniable proof. They really cant break it down further and simply more than the Temp this year > Temp 5 years ago.
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I completely get climate change deniers.they are far less deluded in a way then fools who think a few technological tricks and small lifestyle changes (I’ve bought an electric car honey!)are going to allow us to keep living first world lifestyles . If the predictionsare even half right loads of people are gonna die and the survivors will be back in the Stone Age.people who think buying some “ethical “ branded products in M+S makes any sort of difference are worse than Danny Healy Rae
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Originally posted by PSV58 View PostI completely get climate change deniers.they are far less deluded in a way then fools who think a few technological tricks and small lifestyle changes (I’ve bought an electric car honey!)are going to allow us to keep living first world lifestyles . If the predictionsare even half right loads of people are gonna die and the survivors will be back in the Stone Age.people who think buying some “ethical “ branded products in M+S makes any sort of difference are worse than Danny Healy Rae
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Originally posted by Dice75 View PostSo TV3 are showing Maribor v Liverpool ahead of Real/Spurs or even City/Napoli. Sigh.
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Originally posted by jack90210 View PostSo a few decades data over the entire history of earth, again sample size.I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that
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Originally posted by RichieM View PostThey really cant break it down further and simply more than the Temp this year > Temp 5 years ago.
I'm not suggesting global warming isn't real btw. I'm just pointing that the above isn't the basis of global warming. People who deny global warming exists, don't deny it's been getting warmer.
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Originally posted by PSV58 View PostSad.i believe they skipped a Liverpool game last round in favor of a far more appealing tie (can remember which,psg v Bayern maybe). Prob got murdered on social media by pool fans for this progressive and enlightened move
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It seems odd to me that seemingly intelligent folks out there can’t grasp that you can’t compare 100000s of years of natural evolution with the last 100+ years of manmade interference .* It’s a HUGE factor.** Even in our own human evolution we are trying knock a *few centuries off via the Lab.** *Natural selection will become unnatural selection .** All kids with calve licks in the hair will be genetically modified to have perfect non kinky hair. ****No longer will barber and punter hug each other and say* ‘we did our best’* .*** Tis a grand ol world if we *just leave it alone -* quote from my great great grandfather –Kinky Hair Finnegan
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Originally posted by Mellor View PostAn increase compared to 5 years ago is hardly proof of anything. There's been 100s of short term increases. There's be steady increases lasting 2000 years. And corresponding periods of cooling.
I'm not suggesting global warming isn't real btw. I'm just pointing that the above isn't the basis of global warming. People who deny global warming exists, don't deny it's been getting warmer.
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Poor old carbon gets a terrible time. It's like Muslims. 99% of carbon atoms are grand, its only the radicalised ones that stick to two oxygens that cause a problem in the atmosphere, but they all get tarred with the same brush. Carbon is an atom of peace.
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostWas in an investment class there and was trying to explain that you can't simply compare one investment fund to the average investment fund, as maybe all investment funds might be crap (all you'd be proving is that you are less crap than the standard crap fund, but still crap).
So I gave an analogy. Imagine you are a guard in a concentration camp and you're walking around thinking 'I'm better than everyone else because I'm not stabbing kids'. But the point is: you're still a concentration camp guard, and so are clearly still a horrific person of the highest order.
This is as much a reminder to myself as anything else to not use concentration camp metaphors in class. Something which only occured to me as I got towards the end of the metaphor.
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Originally posted by Mellor View PostAn increase compared to 5 years ago is hardly proof of anything. There's been 100s of short term increases. There's be steady increases lasting 2000 years. And corresponding periods of cooling.
I'm not suggesting global warming isn't real btw. I'm just pointing that the above isn't the basis of global warming. People who deny global warming exists, don't deny it's been getting warmer.
Very little of the global warming if any is in air temperature that we feel it is all into the earth which dosnt absorb very well and then the oceans which take it in.
Got caught by what I presume was someone out for an early morning fishing trip before I had properly woken up. Generally better at avoiding these.
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The outrage over lads getting in for a dip or windsurf hours before storm was due to hit is out of control. Happy pear twins (annoying enough Ted) has to take down and apologize for photos they put up of them taking a dip 5-6 hours before storm hit.(Fair enough re the people who got in at the height of it even at that the conditions were not that bad at Salthill if you know what your at,which I assume the 72 year old lad who swims there everyday does)
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostIts an overreaction if its still continuing, but was fair enough game yesterday early in the day where you're trying to send out a message to not be an idiot as its a useful message to send around the country.
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Originally posted by RichieM View PostData goes back to around the end of the second world war but you are still in terms of the sample size correct. The fact that as you say similar increases took thousands of years and we manage it in 10 is a big problem.
Weather stations aren't the only data we have. Many models go back 12,000 years to the last ice age. Polar Ice cores data go back 100's of 1000's of years.
And I didn't say similarincreases. I said increases. The ones I was referring to were considerable bigger than the current period, in both magnitude and duration. Like the holocene maximum period. A 2000 year increase that peaked higher than the current temp. But there's been shorter faster ones too.
Again, I'm not disputing global warming exists. I'm just pointing out that "Temp this year > Temp 5 years ago" is not undeniably proof. The the issue is considerably more complex than a 5 or 10 year increase.
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Originally posted by Mellor View PostThe second world war? You're off by a few millennia there.
Weather stations aren't the only data we have. Many models go back 12,000 years to the last ice age. Polar Ice cores data go back 100's of 1000's of years.
And I didn't say similarincreases. I said increases. The ones I was referring to were considerable bigger than the current period, in both magnitude and duration. Like the holocene maximum period. A 2000 year increase that peaked higher than the current temp. But there's been shorter faster ones too.
Again, I'm not disputing global warming exists. I'm just pointing out that "Temp this year > Temp 5 years ago" is not undeniably proof. The the issue is considerably more complex than a 5 or 10 year increase.
It is the most simplistic way to show it for people who won't bother trying to grasp the more complex issues.
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I can't understand how climate change denial is so associated with christianity. I understand why they reject evolution by NS as an acceptance of that is a rejection of god but I can't get my head around their opposition to this one.
Is it they're just afraid of science in general?
Does an acceptance of man made climate change mean a rejection of the idea that storms are god's punishment?
Rigger obv an exception.I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that
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Originally posted by RichieM View PostCompletely agree and I am not trying to say that the way it is being soley measured is with a lot of guys sticking a thermometer into the water at various locations.
It is the most simplistic way to show it for people who won't bother trying to grasp the more complex issues.
Originally posted by Lazare View PostI can't understand how climate change denial is so associated with christianity. I understand why they reject evolution by NS as an acceptance of that is a rejection of god but I can't get my head around their opposition to this one.
Is it they're just afraid of science in general?
Does an acceptance of man made climate change mean a rejection of the idea that storms are god's punishment?
Rigger obv an exception.
For the record, I think the mainline Christian denominations (the boyos in Rome and all) accept climate change. It's only the evangelical lunatics in denial.
But same as the muslims, the crazy 10% give the rest a bad name
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Originally posted by Dice75 View PostWhen do we get the dates & times?
Not going but need the 1st leg to fade my 10yr wedding anniversary dinnerNo beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.
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Originally posted by Denny Crane View PostThe climate change debate is getting closer and closer to a religious debate as time goes on, for both sides. So many spurious claims. Things like that oft quoted "97% of scientists agree..." are complete fabrications.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Denny Crane View PostHow much effect do we have though? How much do we spend fighting it?
While some amount of pollution is inevitable, high quantities of any pollutant put us at a rapidly increasing risk of destabilizing the climate, a system that is integral to the biosphere. Ergo, we should build down CO2 emissions, even regardless of what climate-models tell us.
This leads to the following asymmetry in climate policy. The scale of the effect must be demonstrated to be large enough to have impact. Once this is shown, and it has been, the burden of proof of absence of harm is on those who would deny it. It is the degree of opacity and uncertainty in a system, as well as asymmetry in effect, rather than specific model predictions, that should drive the precautionary measures.
Push a complex system too far and it will not come back. The popular belief that uncertainty undermines the case for taking seriously the ’climate crisis’ that scientists tell us we face is the opposite of the truth.
Properly understood, as driving the case for precaution, uncertainty radically underscores that case, and may even constitute it.
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Originally posted by zuutroy View PostPoor old carbon gets a terrible time. It's like Muslims. 99% of carbon atoms are grand, its only the radicalised ones that stick to two oxygens that cause a problem in the atmosphere, but they all get tarred with the same brush. Carbon is an atom of peace.
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Bi-annual flogging of cheap €10 tickets to Leinster games in the Aviva incoming alert!
You can buy €10 tickets for Leinster's European Rugby champions cup match in the Aviva stadium on December 16 now through ticket master, just click on the o…
Nabbed two tickets up in the gods, as per usual; last year on the way to our Leinster-Saints cheapo tickets some nice gent gave us two premium level tickets, hoping for the same this time around
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Originally posted by Mike Bullocks View PostI acquiesce to barstool authority.
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Originally posted by Lazare View PostI can't understand how climate change denial is so associated with christianity. I understand why they reject evolution by NS as an acceptance of that is a rejection of god but I can't get my head around their opposition to this one.
Is it they're just afraid of science in general?
Does an acceptance of man made climate change mean a rejection of the idea that storms are god's punishment?
Rigger obv an exception."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Originally posted by ionapaul View PostBi-annual flogging of cheap €10 tickets to Leinster games in the Aviva incoming alert!
You can buy €10 tickets for Leinster's European Rugby champions cup match in the Aviva stadium on December 16 now through ticket master, just click on the o…
Nabbed two tickets up in the gods, as per usual; last year on the way to our Leinster-Saints cheapo tickets some nice gent gave us two premium level tickets, hoping for the same this time around
I honestly don't think there is a bad higher level seat in the Aviva for watching rugby.
I've applied for England v Ireland tickets and have the nod to join RDIII for the trip to Bilbao so I think that will do me for expensive trips for the season. I'll probably get one or two freebies over the autumn and I'll see about nabbing some half price home 6Ns tickets and that will do it.‘IF YOU had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” Genghis Khan
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