Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Mammy told me not to come.

[Fullof..It]

Bobo and Hancock positive.

Whitty & Vallance too? Please one time the Gods of Irony, one time!

One more for the full house

[Flushdraw]

Some HomeGames tonight on Stars if anyone is up for a bit of banter.

http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1124571#post1124571

[rounders123]

Ah I've been back on it since last May. No chance of going back to 'work' on it, if that's what you mean. Still enjoy riding it; it's cheaper and more reliable than public transport.
When you say horse, I hope you don't mean heroin. That was the brother.

Nothing that the old wooden spoon wouldnt have straightened out if issued in earlier life

[ComradeCollie]

Nothing that the old wooden spoon wouldnt have straightened out if issued in earlier life

Ah, we'll never know, will we

[TM2204]

For every Trump, there a Cuomo

America so needs the Cuomo's & Anthony Fauci's of this world with that maniac in charge..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWO6i8cH8SA

[KevIRL]

Italy

[balfejohn]

Yeah, bit more clarification from them this afternoon.....

SPOILER

COVID-19 Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme - Employer Eligibility and Supporting Proofs Context
On 24 March 2020, the Government announced measures to provide financial support to workers affected by the COVID-19 crisis. As part of these measures and building on the functionality developed through PAYE Modernisation, Revenue will operate the Wage Subsidy Scheme.
This note sets out the Revenue approach to confirming employer eligibility and examination of supporting proofs. The scheme is a significant investment by Government in supporting both employers and employees through a subsidy that will be paid in real-time.
Key Principle
Revenue’s general approach to businesses experiencing cashflow and consequent tax payment difficulties is to work towards agreeing mutually acceptable solutions that assist a return to viability as soon as possible. In any such engagement, Revenue expects businesses to be able to produce relevant supporting documentation when requested to do so and to fully engage with Revenue on any follow up discussions or checks.
Revenue’s administration of the COVID-19 Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme will operate on a similar basis – eligibility will initially be determined, largely on the basis of self-assessment and declaration by the employer concerned, combined with a risk focused follow up verification by Revenue involving an examination of relevant business records where that is considered necessary.
COVID-19 Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme Eligibility
The COVID-19 Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme is available to employers across all sectors excluding the Public Service and Non-Commercial Semi-State Sector. To qualify for the scheme a business must be experiencing a significant negative economic disruption due to the Covid-19 pandemic.
In general, this will be readily apparent, some businesses and some sectors have had to close their premises, the impact of public health advice on individual businesses in terms of restrictions on trade, physical distancing, the nature of essential and non-essential businesses, will be obvious. It will also be obvious that some businesses will continue trading and, in some cases, have an increase in business.
Our purpose is to support businesses through the scheme, our approach will be based on a presumption of honesty and we expect businesses to approach the scheme in a similar manner.
Application for the scheme is based on self-assessment principles, a qualifying employer declares that it is significantly impacted by the crisis. Key indicators are that the employer’s turnover is likely to decrease by 25% for quarter 2, 2020; that the business is unable to meet normal wages or normal outputs and any other indicators set out in our guidelines.
In relation to the likely reduction in turnover of 25% or more, this is a reduction in expected turnover for Q2, 2020. The employer is best placed to determine that and may base this judgement on the decline in orders in March 2020, in comparison to February 2020, or the likely turnover for the quarter compared to Q1 or if appropriate Q2, 2019, or on any other basis that is reasonable.

In Revenue’s administration of this scheme, the key focus will be on the fact of significant negative economic disruption on the employer due to Covid-19.
Regarding retention of employees, the scheme is confined to employees who were on the employer’s payroll at 29 February 2020, and for whom a payroll submission has already been made to Revenue in the period from 1 February 2020 to 15 March 2020. Employees who were laid off after 29 February 2020 may be taken back onto the payroll for the purposes of this scheme
Revenue will not be looking for proof of qualification at this stage. We may in future, based on risk criteria review eligibility. In this context employers should retain their evidence/basis for entering the scheme. It will, of course, be very clear to us from our normal relationship with businesses and our normal interaction with businesses that there was no doubt about their qualification and most importantly it will be very clear that the businesses were so impacted.
Eligibility Supporting Proofs
In any check, Revenue will focus on the types of business records, having regard to the nature and scale of the business, that should normally be readily available for such a business. Where, for example, a business has negotiated forbearance measures with a financial institution, Revenue will not seek to duplicate the relevant information and the documentation from the financial institution will generally be adequate for verification purposes as evidence of financial disruption.
As stated already, the critical requirement is to be able to show significant negative economic disruption due to COVID-19. The evidence in that regard will contribute in large part to demonstration of compliance with the other criteria.
The proofs mentioned below are intended to be illustrative rather than exhaustive and Revenue is open to considering other relevant evidence as a reasonable demonstration of eligibility for the COVID-19 Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme and as examples are brought to our attention we will update our Guidelines accordingly.
• If for some reason the decline in turnover was less than 25% the business should retain documentation supporting its rationale for believing that it would suffer such a decline.
• Copies of documentation submitted to a financial institution as part of the negotiation of forbearance measures with the financial institution.
• Copies of notifications or communications to employees or Trade Unions or staff representative bodies of salary/wage cuts implemented as a direct result of the COVID-19 pandemic.
• Copies of documentation that show that any cash reserves in the business that are required to fund debt that is equal or greater than the reserve amount.
• Evidence of reliance on the Government Credit Guarantee Scheme or overdraft facilities or other borrowings for capital purposes.
• In the case of start-up businesses, for example, evidence of a decline in investment by at least 25% arising from the COVID-19 crisis.

An employer that has been hit by a significant decline in business but has strong cash reserves, that are not required to fund debt, will still qualify for the Scheme but the Government would expect the employer to continue to pay a significant proportion of the employees’ wages.
To emphasise, the examples listed are illustrative only and Revenue is open to considering other relevant evidence as a reasonable demonstration of eligibility for the COVID-19 Wage Subsidy Scheme.
Conclusion
In operating the scheme, Revenue’s priority is to ensure that all employers experiencing significant negative economic disruption from COVID-19 can register for and start to receive payment as quickly as possible.
The declaration by the employer is not a declaration of insolvency. The declaration is simply a declaration which states that, based on reasonable projections, there will be, as a result of disruption to the business caused or to be caused by the Covid-19 pandemic, a decline of at least 25% in the future turnover of, or customer orders for, the business for the duration of the pandemic and that as a result the employer cannot pay normal wages and outgoings fully but nonetheless wants to retain its employees on the payroll.
Revenue does not consider that any employer will require professional advice or assistance in being able to prove to the satisfaction of Revenue that these criteria are met. Should Revenue seek to validate employer eligibility for the scheme, it will adopt a reasonable, fair and pragmatic approach in considering whether the criteria have been met

Our company signed up for this today
Boss seems happy
Let go 11 people 10 days ago and now in the position to rehire all
Some refused happy to take the €350 a week payment and not come back till it all dies down
Funny times

[Guest]

Stephen Fry voice over on these videos are great. Very sporadic but always good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZGXtgp5dn0&feature=youtu.be

[mcnugget]

Yeah, bit more clarification from them this afternoon.....

SPOILER

COVID-19 Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme - Employer Eligibility and Supporting Proofs Context
On 24 March 2020, the Government announced measures to provide financial support to workers affected by the COVID-19 crisis. As part of these measures and building on the functionality developed through PAYE Modernisation, Revenue will operate the Wage Subsidy Scheme.
This note sets out the Revenue approach to confirming employer eligibility and examination of supporting proofs. The scheme is a significant investment by Government in supporting both employers and employees through a subsidy that will be paid in real-time.
Key Principle
Revenue’s general approach to businesses experiencing cashflow and consequent tax payment difficulties is to work towards agreeing mutually acceptable solutions that assist a return to viability as soon as possible. In any such engagement, Revenue expects businesses to be able to produce relevant supporting documentation when requested to do so and to fully engage with Revenue on any follow up discussions or checks.
Revenue’s administration of the COVID-19 Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme will operate on a similar basis – eligibility will initially be determined, largely on the basis of self-assessment and declaration by the employer concerned, combined with a risk focused follow up verification by Revenue involving an examination of relevant business records where that is considered necessary.
COVID-19 Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme Eligibility
The COVID-19 Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme is available to employers across all sectors excluding the Public Service and Non-Commercial Semi-State Sector. To qualify for the scheme a business must be experiencing a significant negative economic disruption due to the Covid-19 pandemic.
In general, this will be readily apparent, some businesses and some sectors have had to close their premises, the impact of public health advice on individual businesses in terms of restrictions on trade, physical distancing, the nature of essential and non-essential businesses, will be obvious. It will also be obvious that some businesses will continue trading and, in some cases, have an increase in business.
Our purpose is to support businesses through the scheme, our approach will be based on a presumption of honesty and we expect businesses to approach the scheme in a similar manner.
Application for the scheme is based on self-assessment principles, a qualifying employer declares that it is significantly impacted by the crisis. Key indicators are that the employer’s turnover is likely to decrease by 25% for quarter 2, 2020; that the business is unable to meet normal wages or normal outputs and any other indicators set out in our guidelines.
In relation to the likely reduction in turnover of 25% or more, this is a reduction in expected turnover for Q2, 2020. The employer is best placed to determine that and may base this judgement on the decline in orders in March 2020, in comparison to February 2020, or the likely turnover for the quarter compared to Q1 or if appropriate Q2, 2019, or on any other basis that is reasonable.

In Revenue’s administration of this scheme, the key focus will be on the fact of significant negative economic disruption on the employer due to Covid-19.
Regarding retention of employees, the scheme is confined to employees who were on the employer’s payroll at 29 February 2020, and for whom a payroll submission has already been made to Revenue in the period from 1 February 2020 to 15 March 2020. Employees who were laid off after 29 February 2020 may be taken back onto the payroll for the purposes of this scheme
Revenue will not be looking for proof of qualification at this stage. We may in future, based on risk criteria review eligibility. In this context employers should retain their evidence/basis for entering the scheme. It will, of course, be very clear to us from our normal relationship with businesses and our normal interaction with businesses that there was no doubt about their qualification and most importantly it will be very clear that the businesses were so impacted.
Eligibility Supporting Proofs
In any check, Revenue will focus on the types of business records, having regard to the nature and scale of the business, that should normally be readily available for such a business. Where, for example, a business has negotiated forbearance measures with a financial institution, Revenue will not seek to duplicate the relevant information and the documentation from the financial institution will generally be adequate for verification purposes as evidence of financial disruption.
As stated already, the critical requirement is to be able to show significant negative economic disruption due to COVID-19. The evidence in that regard will contribute in large part to demonstration of compliance with the other criteria.
The proofs mentioned below are intended to be illustrative rather than exhaustive and Revenue is open to considering other relevant evidence as a reasonable demonstration of eligibility for the COVID-19 Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme and as examples are brought to our attention we will update our Guidelines accordingly.
• If for some reason the decline in turnover was less than 25% the business should retain documentation supporting its rationale for believing that it would suffer such a decline.
• Copies of documentation submitted to a financial institution as part of the negotiation of forbearance measures with the financial institution.
• Copies of notifications or communications to employees or Trade Unions or staff representative bodies of salary/wage cuts implemented as a direct result of the COVID-19 pandemic.
• Copies of documentation that show that any cash reserves in the business that are required to fund debt that is equal or greater than the reserve amount.
• Evidence of reliance on the Government Credit Guarantee Scheme or overdraft facilities or other borrowings for capital purposes.
• In the case of start-up businesses, for example, evidence of a decline in investment by at least 25% arising from the COVID-19 crisis.

An employer that has been hit by a significant decline in business but has strong cash reserves, that are not required to fund debt, will still qualify for the Scheme but the Government would expect the employer to continue to pay a significant proportion of the employees’ wages.
To emphasise, the examples listed are illustrative only and Revenue is open to considering other relevant evidence as a reasonable demonstration of eligibility for the COVID-19 Wage Subsidy Scheme.
Conclusion
In operating the scheme, Revenue’s priority is to ensure that all employers experiencing significant negative economic disruption from COVID-19 can register for and start to receive payment as quickly as possible.
The declaration by the employer is not a declaration of insolvency. The declaration is simply a declaration which states that, based on reasonable projections, there will be, as a result of disruption to the business caused or to be caused by the Covid-19 pandemic, a decline of at least 25% in the future turnover of, or customer orders for, the business for the duration of the pandemic and that as a result the employer cannot pay normal wages and outgoings fully but nonetheless wants to retain its employees on the payroll.
Revenue does not consider that any employer will require professional advice or assistance in being able to prove to the satisfaction of Revenue that these criteria are met. Should Revenue seek to validate employer eligibility for the scheme, it will adopt a reasonable, fair and pragmatic approach in considering whether the criteria have been met

This seems to be the key paragraph:

"An employer that has been hit by a significant decline in business but has strong cash reserves, that are not required to fund debt, will still qualify for the Scheme but the Government would expect the employer to continue to pay a significant proportion of the employees’ wages."

[Theresa]

This seems to be the key paragraph:

"An employer that has been hit by a significant decline in business but has strong cash reserves, that are not required to fund debt, will still qualify for the Scheme but the Government would expect the employer to continue to pay a significant proportion of the employees’ wages."

I get that it is unprecedented times, but this is almost punishing good business owners and letting bad business owners off the hook.

Understand that its a needs must scenario, but something about the implementation of this rankles me.

[dobby]

Another Government press briefing going live at 8.30.

[Theresa]

or I guess you could say business owners with significant cash reserves are bad business owners because that capital isn't doing anything.

I dunno. I think those with foresight and the ability to save cash for a rainy day, shouldn't be disproportionately affected I guess.

[Guest]

Another Government press briefing going live at 8.30.

Heard about it at 18:19

[Dice75]

or I guess you could say business owners with significant cash reserves are bad business owners because that capital isn't doing anything.

I dunno. I think those with foresight and the ability to save cash for a rainy day, shouldn't be disproportionately affected I guess.

Just do what Denise does and take a 300m+ Salary

[Raoul Duke III]

US will be the first country to have 100,000 cases shortly.

That headbanger Trump wannabe in Brazil almost looks like he wants to infect the entire population.

[Trippie]

some more random music from local radio here. my wife and her sister saw the black pumas a while ago and raved about the show. waxahatchee has a new album out which is being touted as the album of the year apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_xHMKkzPc4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EntxPIULUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDaccHBAGcM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQiMULQikxw

[dobby]

Heard about it at 18:19

Good stuff. Least you know your source is good anyway.

[Theresa]

Just do what Denise does and take a 300m+ Salary

right!

I don't know. I like the spirit of it, but the ultimate outcome of all that is sort of reducing the edge that smart business owners have.

Homogenizing the businesss landscape... ish.

[Guest]

There's fucktards...

And there's...

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0327/1126807-stoke-fine-mcclean-over-inappropriate-instagram-post/

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

...

[Flushdraw]

Some HomeGames tonight on Stars if anyone is up for a bit of banter.

http://www.irishpokerboards.com/foru...71#post1124571

20 min left BUMP

[Theresa]

Its kinda funny.

It absolutely is.

[Guest]

Its kinda funny.

He's the one who won't wear a Poppy(I've never worn one either fwiw), gets years of constant abuse at every ground, has the kick it out organization rightly getting constant abuse for not standing up for him and claims his anti-poppy thing is not pro-ira

Funny doesn't come into it, he's a fucktard!

[shrapnel]

Some HomeGames tonight on Stars if anyone is up for a bit of banter.

http://www.irishpokerboards.com/foru...71#post1124571

needs more players!! roll up roll up!

[DeadParrot]

Got the mail from work today..

Dear All,



We have taken the decision to maintain our Working From Home arrangement until the end of May 2020.....

[newbie2]

More restrictions incoming.. 20.00/20.30

[dobby]

More restrictions incoming.. 20.00/20.30

Old news m8

[dobby]

needs more players!! roll up roll up!

Still no word from stars apart from an email telling me theres a Q and they will get to it when they feel like it. Enjoy boyos

[Lazare]

Might be a long shot but do any fellow vapers have a spare Nautilus X coil?

[Guest]

Received the following, sad that I care

Hello Everyone , as soon as you touch number 1 the clock starts. Don’t miss a digit getting to 50

Lets See Who’s Time Is
The Lowest To Achieve This 🍻

Are you still young as far as your eyes and memory is concerned?

Try to remove the numbers from 1 to 50 by touching on your screen in the "correct sequence" from 1 → 50

http://zzzscore.com/1to50/en/

Scoring:
10-19 Seconds: Impossible
20-29 Seconds: Liar
30-39 Seconds: You're Special
40-59 Seconds: Expert
60-79 Seconds: Normal
80-99 Seconds: You're Getting Old
100+ Seconds: You Are Old

Enjoy ..

[shrapnel]

Still no word from stars apart from an email telling me theres a Q and they will get to it when they feel like it. Enjoy boyos

did you try what i did and mentioned in the other thread?

[horatio1]

More restrictions incoming.. 20.00/20.30

Dublin specific restrictions?

[Guest]

More restrictions incoming.. 20.00/20.30

Can you ask them to wait until after I've finished my quarantine and had a couple of shopping days

[Guest]

Leo got your text Dobby.

[Guest]

[TM2204]

US just hit 100k cases

[ComradeCollie]

Might be a long shot but do any fellow vapers have a spare Nautilus X coil?

Nah sorry Laz. Have found this shop quite good. Had a delivery from them yesterday via Fastway, though you'd be lucky to get anything before Tuesday https://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/clea...coil-head.html

[dobby]

Leo got your text Dobby.

Lol. Didnt think to check if he had tweeted it. Zuutroy would have creamed himself if I'd posted after that.

[dobby]

did you try what i did and mentioned in the other thread?

Yeah, asked them if it could be fast tracked and I had all documents ready to send straight in, they said I'm in the Q. It's only 35 quid in the account like but I just want a refund now, cant be arsed.

[Wombatman]

[newbie2]

Old news m8

My news is more specific

[dobby]

My news is more specific

lol. Ok.

[SatNav]

Might be a long shot but do any fellow vapers have a spare Nautilus X coil?

Is the ones for the big nautilus tank? Cause I have a, few,

[ComradeCollie]

@ Lazare. The old Nautilus BVC ones wouldn't be of any use to you? Have a few of those, don't know if they are compatible

Edit to correct link https://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/clea...coil-head.html

[dobby]

FWIW, I think this announcement is just about how they're going to do more for the elderly and take care of them. Not more restrictions.

Could be totally wrong about that but I know there's a few worriers reading here and no need to panic.

[Emmet]

Mad one last night I went out for a run and got home around 8 o’clock and all the neighbours were out clapping!! it wasn’t even my fastest time

NSFW!!!!

[Emmet]

Just do what Denise does and take a 300m+ Salary

Why does she take such a large salary? It's terribly, terribly, terribly tax inefficient. Any good tax advisor would point this out to her...

Or maybe....

[dobby]

Would expect building sites to start closing soon. This week was slow enough in work and there is only 3 deliveries there for me on Monday. Usually over 20. They're pretty much the only thing running where people are working in close quarters so surely only a matter of time.

[6starpool]

New sheep thread. Roll up, roll up.

https://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1124622#post1124622

[rounders123]

You drag me here

SPOILER

What film?

[Solksjaer!]

Was texting the brother on how work was going. Thought he'd mention the covid stuff . Nope . Most of his calls have been DIY injuries.

[shrapnel]

You drag me here

SPOILER

What film?

SPOILER

casino?

[dobby]

FWIW, I think this announcement is just about how they're going to do more for the elderly and take care of them. Not more restrictions.

Could be totally wrong about that but I know there's a few worriers reading here and no need to panic.

WRONG. That serves me right for speculating.

Is he pretty much announcing a lockdown?

[newbie2]

pretty much

[hotspur]

I prefer Harris's sign language interpreter. Just saying.

[dobby]

pretty much

Boss just said we're not closing and all staff expected in work Monday

I asked in the WhatsApp group if we're closing. Was a firm NO

[Solksjaer!]

SPOILER

casino?

Always a classic.

https://youtu.be/NShgvtEro7I

[ionapaul]

Can we go for a run anymore?

[Denny Crane]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WBUnc7H_82Q

[Guest]

Can we go for a run anymore?

2km just do laps