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Originally posted by Elshambles View Postooh and Shrap; you are over here just about long enough to start to figure out that while there is tons of stuff to do in that Landan, actually finding out about them is a pain in the hole as listings are a load of arse.
For gigs try something like the songkick app, looks at your music library and notifies you about gigs by your bands/ linked bands well in advance
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Originally posted by rounders123 View Postok right. I searched by skyscanner and all filghts were a turnover in France. Those skyscanner bastards are holding back on me obv.Go big or go homeless.
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Originally posted by Icarus152 View PostWell met, ser. An unsettling lack of IPB'ers here to trumpet my arrival, 'tis true.
Finished the last GOT book, 2017 before the next one comes out? Dafuq?
And if you can't answer this question you have to read them all again from the start:SPOILERWho poisoned the locusts?"I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View PostAnd if you can't answer this question you have to read them all again from the start:SPOILERWho poisoned the locusts?SPOILERNo idea, do tell? can't imagine how anyone could know with certainty though. Took me a few minutes to figure out how Arya assassinated the insurance man with the coin, good the way it was left unsaid.Official Head Marshall of Waterford Gay Pride Festival 2015
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This may take some time, so going to start with the tl;dr:
Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostIsrael is not perfect, no country is. It does however have a right to existence and a right to defence when attacked. I support those rights.
The thing of it is though (and I feel like a broken record at this stage) ... describing the unabated bombardment of a civilian population as a defensive measure would require a fairly radical alteration to what the word defense means. It's offensive in every sense of the word. Iron dome is an example of Israel defending itself (and it's an extremely effective tool). Firing missiles at apartment blocks, hospitals, UN buildings and beaches is not.
SPOILEROriginally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostHowever. They are the elected government of Gaza.
Which of course causes everyone a problem - Israel, the US, the EU but most of all, the Gazans themselves. The Germans voted Hitler into power and the Gazans have done likewise with Hamas. What we are seeing now is partially the consequences of that decision. Hamas know exactly what will happen when they launch barrages of rockets at Israeli population centres - it's not like we haven't been here before. Yet they continue to provoke an Israeli response - knowing exactly what that response will be and the cost to Gaza.Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Postyou end up with the highly simplistic 'what about the dead kids?' arguments and\or calling people Nazis (which is always helpful).
We're talking as though Israel's only two options were to do nothing, or to bomb Gaza and all who sail in her into dust. Israel did not have to carry out such a sustained and indiscriminate attack on Gaza, but chose to do so, knowing for a certainty that civilian casualties would huge. Hamas undoubtedly provoked Israel, but the fact that Hamas knew what the response would be doesn't make that response any more legitimate, proportional, or defensible imo.
Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostThere are civilian casualties - this is undeniable. Just as there are civilian casualties in all wars. Churchill is remembered as one of the greatest leaders of all time, the champion of western civilisation. Yet, in 1944-45, he continued to send fleets of heavy bombers against German population centres for no militarily-justifiable reason other than to kill and terrorise unarmed civilians. Israel's response is much milder than Churchill's (thirty thousand died in one night of bombing in Hamburg) and they do make efforts to avoid casualties.
Churchill being remembered as a great leader is just a function of history being written by the victors. Robert McNamara ordered the firebombing of Japanese cities in WW2, and he talks in the fog of war about how he would have been tried as a war criminal had the Allies lost. The fact that they won doesn't make his actions any more moral. The fact that Israel have killed fewer civilians than Churchill in his pomp doesn't make Israel's actions any more correct.
Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostHamas have been shelling a civilian population for weeks on end. The difference between the civilian populations in Israel and Gaza are that the Israelis actually care whether their population live or die (every Israeli house must have a bomb shelter - how many dead would we be looking at in Gaza if they did the same instead of putting their energies into building tunnels to attack Israel? 10% of the current number? 5%?).
Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostThe other bugbear I have is the one-sided nature of the media coverage and a particular subsection of our population that will blindly criticise Israel, no matter what.
Who has killed the most Palestinians in the last couple of years? Not Israel, that's for damn sure - the correct answer is actually Syria (number two on the list is actually Palestine itself). Strangely enough, we don't see any protests about that (or the 150,000 - 150 times the number in Gaza - civilians murdered in Syria). We don't see any protests outside the Russian embassy either - yet the Russians murdered 300 people, many kids included, just last week. The Americans have killed thousands of civilians in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan. No protests. Why is this? I don't have the answer.
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Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View PostThe only confirmed release info we have for TWOW is that it won't be out in 2015. Read the Dunk And Egg stories in the meantime.
And if you can't answer this question you have to read them all again from the start:SPOILERWho poisoned the locusts?
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The whole "disproportional" argument when it comes to Hamas vs Israel is pretty tilting.
Hamas spend the their resources on building missiles and digging tunnels to fire them from, Israel spend a lot of theirs on building bomb shelters and defensive structures.
When one side of the argument doesn't give a shit how many of their people are killed and the other does the losses are guaranteed to be "disproportional".
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Originally posted by Icarus152 View PostSPOILERNo idea, do tell? can't imagine how anyone could know with certainty though. Took me a few minutes to figure out how Arya assassinated the insurance man with the coin, good the way it was left unsaid.
SPOILERI can't say with 100% certainty who poisoned the locusts. I don't think we'll ever find out for sure. I suspect GRRM is trying to make a point about the nature of certainty. But the most likely answer is the Shavepate did it. He's basically the Littlefinger of Essos."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View PostYeah the later books are much more subtle. You've got to be able to read between the lines. I'm consider myself pretty good at that, but there's a bunch of stuff I didn't notice until pointed out to me by the internets.
SPOILERI can't say with 100% certainty who poisoned the locusts. I don't think we'll ever find out for sure. I suspect GRRM is trying to make a point about the nature of certainty. But the most likely answer is the Shavepate did it. He's basically the Littlefinger of Essos.
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostI fear we must look to Kinky Friedman for answers very soon.
Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by RasTa View PostIt's all lies anyway
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Or reply with this:
which they might actually leave up for long enough for people to get the pointLast edited by Guest; 28-07-14, 10:43.
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Originally posted by Keane View PostThe whole "disproportional" argument when it comes to Hamas vs Israel is pretty tilting.
Hamas spend the their resources on building missiles and digging tunnels to fire them from, Israel spend a lot of theirs on building bomb shelters and defensive structures.
When one side of the argument doesn't give a shit how many of their people are killed and the other does the losses are guaranteed to be "disproportional".
Out of curiosity, at what point do you think Israel should stop bombing gaza?
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Originally posted by dazzler View PostAlso guaranteed to have disproportionate number of casualties when one side has a vastly superior arsenal, and brings that arsenal to bear on a civilian centre.
Out of curiosity, at what point do you think Israel should stop bombing gaza?
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Originally posted by Keane View PostHow would you guys rank the quality of the books in terms of the first one compared to the rest? I read the first one and thought it was poor but tempted to give more of them a go...
For me anywayPeople say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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Originally posted by Keane View PostHow would you guys rank the quality of the books in terms of the first one compared to the rest? I read the first one and thought it was poor but tempted to give more of them a go...
I'll be honest, the books aren't for everyone. At their essence they are a deconstruction of modern fantasy. So if you're really into fantasy and don't want it torn apart, or you're really not into fantasy and can't stand the thought of magic in stories, then you'll struggle to appreciate them.
Additionally, they are not for the faint of heart. They are long, complex and dense. Sometimes it takes several books for the payoff to arrive. Sometimes if you don't keep your eyes open you miss it completely. Sometimes there's a hundred red herrings and no good way to discern truth from rumour and fact from opinion.
I find that utterly absorbing, but I can see why others would not get the value out of it that I do. Essentially you get as much out as you put in, which puts most people off. They just want to pick up a book and have a cool story wash over them. They're not used to having to really think about it in order to enjoy it. I wouldn't look down on anyone who didn't enjoy them, I just understand that not everyone appreciates them the way I do.
My recommendation would be to start it again, but this time read along with the guys at the Westeros.org Still Reading forum:
Last edited by AndyFatBastard; 28-07-14, 10:48."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Originally posted by dazzler View PostAlso guaranteed to have disproportionate number of casualties when one side has a vastly superior arsenal, and brings that arsenal to bear on a civilian centre.
Out of curiosity, at what point do you think Israel should stop bombing gaza?"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Dazzler, given that we have stablished Israel's rights to existence and self-defence, what do you think their response to daily incoming rocket fire from Hamas should be? Obviously I think what they are doing now is largely justified, you don't.
Would be interested to see what you think they should do in response. If you have any historical precedents for your solution, that would also be interesting."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post... given that we have established Israel's rights to existence and self-defenceTurning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostHave we not established that those rights exist but while Israel continues to operate outside 1967 boundaries the Palestinian peoples right to resist <Insert what ever version of Blockade / Oppression / Occupation / Siege suits > is a conflicting right?
As stated yesterday, you will have noted that I said any lasting solution must be based on the 1967 frontiers. This includes forcible dismantling of West Bank settlements."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Lol at everyone trying to sway a white seth efrikan over to the side of a dispossed and opressed people
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Originally posted by PSV58 View PostLol at everyone trying to sway a white seth efrikan over to the side of a dispossed and opressed people
You actually would not believe the amount of white South Africans who like to trot out the above."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View PostI'd say most people would say 3,1,2,5,4. I'd say A Storm of Swords is one of the greatest books ever written. It is a brutal rollercoaster with incredible highs, lows that would have made Shakespeare wince, and a huge set of intertwined mysteries waiting to be discovered. I'm also a huge fan of A Dance With Dragons, but only now that I've discussed it at length with other fans and am reasonably sure I know what actually happened in the book.
I'll be honest, the books aren't for everyone. At their essence they are a deconstruction of modern fantasy. So if you're really into fantasy and don't want it torn apart, or you're really not into fantasy and can't stand the thought of magic in stories, then you'll struggle to appreciate them.
Additionally, they are not for the faint of heart. They are long, complex and dense. Sometimes it takes several books for the payoff to arrive. Sometimes if you don't keep your eyes open you miss it completely. Sometimes there's a hundred red herrings and no good way to discern truth from rumour and fact from opinion.
I find that utterly absorbing, but I can see why others would not get the value out of it that I do. Essentially you get as much out as you put in, which puts most people off. They just want to pick up a book and have a cool story wash over them. They're not used to having to really think about it in order to enjoy it. I wouldn't look down on anyone who didn't enjoy them, I just understand that not everyone appreciates them the way I do.
My recommendation would be to start it again, but this time read along with the guys at the Westeros.org Still Reading forum:
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php...still-reading/
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I attempted the Hitch €50 weekly food/beer challenge.
Below 49c each
3 packs
2 packs
1 pack
1 pack
€2 quid meat packs
8 chicken thigs
4 burgers
500g pork mince
=€9.43 and fed for the week. Leaving a handsome €40 for beer/smokes. Basically the social welfare needs to give out 25-50% of payments in Aldi vouchers....Hunter S Thompson 1937-2005 - "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"
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Israel for the last two weeks haven't been simply "defending their territory" more bombing the hell out of Gaza to scare the populace into accepting whatever governance of the region that will suit Israel the best.
That's a textbook definition of terrorism.Is that how you crash a wedding? yes it is, Bionic Barry, yes it is.
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Originally posted by Icarus152 View PostSPOILERNo idea, do tell? can't imagine how anyone could know with certainty though. Took me a few minutes to figure out how Arya assassinated the insurance man with the coin, good the way it was left unsaid.
SPOILERWhat special dish did Manderly serve?
Jaqen Hagar reappeared where?
Did you spot Sandor The Hound in either book?
Who is The Ghost of Winterfell?
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Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View PostSome questions to test how closely you read AFfC and ADwD.
SPOILERWhat special dish did Manderly serve?
Jaqen Hagar reappeared where?
Did you spot Sandor The Hound in either book?
Who is The Ghost of Winterfell?
SPOILERDo we know who the Ghost is? I've read a few theories but none that were really conclusive. Just about to finish the first half of DwD so haven't re-read the chapters with the hooded man in them yet
Someone should make a asoiaf thread.Last edited by davepoke/her; 28-07-14, 13:49.
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Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View PostSome questions to test how closely you read AFfC and ADwD.
SPOILERWhat special dish did Manderly serve?
Jaqen Hagar reappeared where?
Did you spot Sandor The Hound in either book?
Who is The Ghost of Winterfell?
SPOILERA meat pie? Containing the 2 missing Freys prob
Dunno, the Kindley Man? Or the lad with the plague face maybe
Not sure what you mean
Theon in the chapter by that name I think. Do you mean the phantom murderer? DunnoOfficial Head Marshall of Waterford Gay Pride Festival 2015
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Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View PostSome questions to test how closely you read AFfC and ADwD.
SPOILERWhat special dish did Manderly serve?
Jaqen Hagar reappeared where?
Did you spot Sandor The Hound in either book?
Who is The Ghost of Winterfell?
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pies made from freys, a pie for each missing boy, 3.
he was the alchemist who killed the trainee pate and later appeared as pate to samwell tarly.
nope, dunno where/what that is - edit I remember now that I looked it up.
I imagine it's theon
Last edited by Tar.Aldarion; 28-07-14, 13:59.
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Originally posted by Icarus152 View PostSPOILERA meat pie? Containing the 2 missing Freys prob
Dunno, the Kindley Man? Or the lad with the plague face maybe
Not sure what you mean
Theon in the chapter by that name I think. Do you mean the phantom murderer? Dunno
SPOILERCorrect
In Oldtown in FFC prologue and epilogue. The guy murders Pate but Pate is still alive in the epiloge and greets sam.
Brienne spots a gravedigger on the quite isle that fits his description. The priest tells Brienne "the hound is dead"
Don't know who the Ghost is yet.Last edited by davepoke/her; 28-07-14, 13:59.
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Originally posted by Icarus152 View PostSPOILERA meat pie? Containing the 2 missing Freys prob. Very Good.
Dunno, the Kindley Man? Or the lad with the plague face maybe. The lad who murdered Pate in the prologue of Feast For Crows has the same description as Jaqen Hagar when he left Arya
Not sure what you mean. Generally thought that that the Hound is in the Brienne Chapter on the Quiet Isle
Theon in the chapter by that name I think. Do you mean the phantom murderer? Dunno. Dunno is the correct answer!
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Originally posted by Walter Mitty View PostAnyone remember the lightbulb story from last week, well the same club are back again. 25 of the bastards. Thinking of opening the upstairs windows and letting them play with natural light.
Not there myself but have the young lad behind the counter patrolling the pool room every so often.X can be anything, any number, that is what’s CRAZY about X.
Because X doesn’t roll like that, because X can’t be pinned down!
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Still GOT.
SPOILERAh Pate, yeah I knew that name should mean something at the end of the previous book but couldn't remember who he was, meant to look that up.
I remember the priest telling Briene that the Hound was dead. Was that not to be taken at face value? I know one of the outlaws was wearing the hounds helmet and pretending to be him. But now we have Briene and the Kingslayer going to see the hound so I dunno if he's alive or dead really.Official Head Marshall of Waterford Gay Pride Festival 2015
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Originally posted by Icarus152 View PostStill GOT.
SPOILERAh Pate, yeah I knew that name should mean something at the end of the previous book but couldn't remember who he was, meant to look that up.
I remember the priest telling Briene that the Hound was dead. Was that not to be taken at face value? I know one of the outlaws was wearing the hounds helmet and pretending to be him. But now we have Briene and the Kingslayer going to see the hound so I dunno if he's alive or dead really.SPOILERYeah he carefully chooses his words to say that the Hound is dead but Sandor isn't. It's just that Brienne isn't very good at looking with her eyes.
Reddit thinks this is leading up to Cleganebowl - Sandor vs unGregor to decide Cersei's guilt.
Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FGT7NzqDRULast edited by AndyFatBastard; 28-07-14, 14:45."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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for anyone looking for a new TV show, the new AMC one called Halt and catch fire is very good. 9 episodes out already out of 10 for the first season.
Based in the early 80s and set in a small company trying to put together a PC to compete against the likes of IBM etc. really enjoying it so far.
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Originally posted by Sirtoyou View PostMini brag, at the turn of the year I was 23.5 stone size 46 waist size 52 chest. I had a communion coming up on May 19th so I bought a suit 48 chest 40 waist to motivate me to lose the weight.
March 1st not a thing done same size probably worse I didn't check. So I cut the bread, spuds, rice,and pasta. Still ate loads of fruit and veg etc. Anyway I got into the suit for the communion badly fit tbh I certainly wasn't a 40 waist or 48 chest but struggled into them anyway.
1st of June joined the gym and got an induction etc. Weighed in at 19 stone 2 and I was a comfortable 42 waist at that stage. Went for the 8 week review this week and I'm down to 18'6 but more importantly a 38" waist and 46" chest.
Not doing a log or anything but putting up this post to motivate me to drive it on further and get to my new targets.Looking for full or part time poker and betting writers. PM if interested.
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Originally posted by Walter Mitty View Post
You are correct, I'd imagine you will have it in the morning, thought you would have it today actually? Also still willing to send package you dry fucker
You have tried over and over to give it to him and he rebuffs you at every turn.
It is the worst case of jilting I've seen in a while.People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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Originally posted by RasTa View PostI attempted the Hitch €50 weekly food/beer challenge.
Below 49c each
3 packs
2 packs
1 pack
1 pack
€2 quid meat packs
8 chicken thigs
4 burgers
500g pork mince
=€9.43 and fed for the week. Leaving a handsome €40 for beer/smokes. Basically the social welfare needs to give out 25-50% of payments in Aldi vouchers....
Originally posted by Walter Mitty View Post
You are correct, I'd imagine you will have it in the morning, thought you would have it today actually? Also still willing to send package you dry fucker
That's far too much power to give you. You can meet up with me to give me my lovely present if you wish.
Get a bus up, we can go to the zoo, make a day out it.
Originally posted by mdoug View PostGame of footie out in dcu at 8 if anyone else wants to join feel free. Fiver a pop, just post up if ya wanna playLast edited by Lord Sir Banter; 28-07-14, 17:27.X can be anything, any number, that is what’s CRAZY about X.
Because X doesn’t roll like that, because X can’t be pinned down!
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Originally posted by DeadParrot View PostI've this overwhelming image of you picking up something in an antiques shop that you never really thought was there before, thinking "The Rigger would love this", you jumped at the chance of an ill conceived bet so you could send this heartfelt gift as well as the money without looking too eager to share this with him, this object that you feel will speak to him as it spoke to you when you saw it through the dust filled motes of light in that small strange shop.
You have tried over and over to give it to him and he rebuffs you at every turn.
It is the worst case of jilting I've seen in a while.
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the mesh on the aeron is ridiculous, so good. Better for stiing on but that chair does look
sweet.
I'll pop them an email and look for a cheaper chair in the meantime, cheers.
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Originally posted by The-Rigger View PostIf you can feed yourself for a week on 9.43, then what would be the sense of making someone spend 50-100e per week in aldi, unless you own aldi.
The post man never even attempts to deliver, they just stick a from in the letterbox and I have to get a bus and traipse around an industrial park just to collect anything (without knowing what it is).
That's far too much power to give you. You can meet up with me to give me my lovely present if you wish.
Get a bus up, we can go to the zoo, make a day out it.
Ok
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Originally posted by eamonhonda View PostWould volunteer but prob be working that day
.X can be anything, any number, that is what’s CRAZY about X.
Because X doesn’t roll like that, because X can’t be pinned down!
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Originally posted by FeetMagic View PostWhere is a good spot in Europe for nice weather and English speaking poker games? Want to head away for a few days detox!X can be anything, any number, that is what’s CRAZY about X.
Because X doesn’t roll like that, because X can’t be pinned down!
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