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    Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
    Still in awe though of how well SF have used this for their 2016 election push. They really are superb politicians whether you like them or not. Really a symbol for the benefits of introducing competition to public services. As that new entrant Ryanair did to the Irish airline industry, so our Northern newcomers have done to moribund civil war era Southern Irish politics.
    we don't know if they are superb politicians or not

    you will only know that when (or if) they get to form a government
    "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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        In related news: Mary Lou went for the old "you wouldn't see crowds like this in Croker" comment while trying to say there was 80,000+ there today. Frankly that demonstrates two things to me -

        1. She knows the turnout was disappointing and they really need to talk it up
        2. She doesn't go to Croke Park that often if at all
        You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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          Curious as to who we might classify as 'superb politicians' in our own times. The criteria cannot only be 'getting elected', surely it must also cover 'achieving results in office'?

          Would suggest:
          • Clinton
          • Merkel
          • Blair
          • Thatcher
          • John Howard


          Can't think of a single Irish pol I would place in this bracket
          "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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            Originally posted by Kayroo View Post
            In related news: Mary Lou went for the old "you wouldn't see crowds like this in Croker" comment while trying to say there was 80,000+ there today. Frankly that demonstrates two things to me -

            1. She knows the turnout was disappointing and they really need to talk it up
            2. She doesn't go to Croke Park that often if at all
            She might only go to league games.

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              Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
              Curious as to who we might classify as 'superb politicians' in our own times. The criteria cannot only be 'getting elected', surely it must also cover 'achieving results in office'?

              Would suggest:
              • Clinton
              • Merkel
              • Blair
              • Thatcher
              • John Howard


              Can't think of a single Irish pol I would place in this bracket
              It's a bit embarrassing as to how many historical figures would get on this list. Straight off the top of the head you would have to have:
              • FDR
              • Truman
              • Eisenhower
              • Churchill (can argue the 'getting elected' bit)
              • de Valera (although the 'achieving results' bit is debatable)
              • WT Cosgrave
              "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                    Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                    I'm judging politician superbness based on ability to get into power. Ideally there would be another word for those who are coincidentally good while in power - an easily secondary concern
                    oh OK. Well then Sinn Fein are not 'superb politicians' based on your own definition!

                    then we have to have such geniuses as CJH and Bertie on the list

                    not to mention lovely chaps like Andreotti
                    "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                      Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                      Can't think of a single Irish pol I would place in this bracket
                      John Hume?

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                        Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                        John Howard troll spotted. Definitely more subtle than popping Netanyahu on the list, so props for that.
                        hardly

                        won four elections

                        presided over economic good times, superb quality of life indicators, solid multiculturalism, far more respectable environmental policies than we have

                        a superb politician for sure, even if you don't agree with his policies. Why don't you like him?
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                          Originally posted by BennyHiFi View Post
                          John Hume?
                          no, although good candidate for secular sainthood

                          never attained power
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                            Originally posted by ghostface View Post
                            Peaky Blinders is a cracking show
                            Has the second season upped the game significantly?Watched most of 1st season except for last episode as I just got bored, especially of that nick cave song they seemed to have blown their entire music budget on

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                                Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                no, although good candidate for secular sainthood

                                never attained power
                                He was an MP, MEP and member of the NI Assembly - plenty more 'power' than most you could argue.

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                                  Originally posted by ghostface View Post
                                  She might only go to league games.
                                  A true Gael. She's a fan of #TheToughest
                                  You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
                                  World Record Holder for Long Distance Soul Reads: May 7th 2011

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                                    Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post

                                    Gorbachev
                                    Helmut Kohl
                                    Vaclev Havel
                                    Jiang Zemin
                                    Hugo Chavez
                                    Luis da Silva

                                    would all need to make the same list
                                    I'll give you 2 and 6

                                    the rest don't count.
                                    Gorbachev ruled a one party system that lost an empire. Loser

                                    Havel lost half his country. Loser

                                    Zemin - one party system dictator

                                    Chavez - another dictator

                                    Interesting your love for non-democrats though. Sure you don't want to stick Stalin or Lenin on the list?
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                                      Originally posted by BennyHiFi View Post
                                      He was an MP, MEP and member of the NI Assembly - plenty more 'power' than most you could argue.
                                      'member of the NI Assembly' <picks self up from floor>

                                      Hume never attained any serious political power (you could argue he had serious moral standing but that don't count for shit)
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                                          Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                          It's a bit embarrassing as to how many historical figures would get on this list. Straight off the top of the head you would have to have:
                                          • FDR
                                          • Truman
                                          • Eisenhower
                                          • Churchill (can argue the 'getting elected' bit)
                                          • de Valera (although the 'achieving results' bit is debatable)
                                          • WT Cosgrave
                                          Hasn't been a great politician since Bismarck

                                          SPOILER
                                          You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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                                            Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                            Because he was clearly racist, by any modern non-Australian definition of the term.
                                            ah yeah, that's why they kept voting him in over and over

                                            ffs
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                                              As a matter of interest, would you classify Truman as a great politician?
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                                                Good having Hitch back
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                                                    Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                                    Curious as to who we might classify as 'superb politicians' in our own times. The criteria cannot only be 'getting elected', surely it must also cover 'achieving results in office'?

                                                    Would suggest:
                                                    • Clinton
                                                    • Merkel
                                                    • Blair
                                                    • Thatcher
                                                    • John Howard


                                                    Can't think of a single Irish pol I would place in this bracket
                                                    Putin

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                                                      Re dobs post yeah it wasn't cool but over 1800 people have been on the site today, only 238 of them members. Anything you post here can be seen by them and presumably they are not all pillars of the community like the BBV regs.

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                                                          Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                          Zemin is even arguable as to whether that's truly a dictatorship.
                                                          this may be the dumbest thing you ever typed
                                                          "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                            Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                                            ah yeah, that's why they kept voting him in over and over

                                                            ffs
                                                            Easiest way to win Aussie votes tbf

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                                                              No parties other than the Communist Party and the eight allied parties were allowed at the elections, which took place from October 2012 to March 2013.
                                                              sounds democratic alright
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                                                                    don't know how I missed Kohl, that was a good spot tbf

                                                                    Adenauer too obviously - in fact must be top of ze Kraut brigade

                                                                    any great French politicians? can't think of any
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                                                                      Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                      The party is, but the actual election of leader is surprisingly efficient, with a lot of controls in place. So the leader themself is not really a true dictator, even if the system that elected them is dictatorial
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                                                                        Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                                                        As a matter of interest, would you classify Truman as a great politician?
                                                                        Oh God no. Best US Presidents (as politicians as opposed to leaders or figureheads) were John Quincy Adams, Andrew Johnson and LBJ.

                                                                        Kennedy achieved fuck all really. Almost no domestic success. One horrible foreign military excursion and one hail mary catch to save the Cuban situation in the missile crisis. Ably assisted by his monstrously talented brother and vice-President.
                                                                        You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
                                                                        World Record Holder for Long Distance Soul Reads: May 7th 2011

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                                                                          Felipe Gonzalez
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                                                                              Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                              The point being that the Chinese leader is no Mugabe or Mubarak with unlimited powers. And sometimes quite limited powers.
                                                                              uh huh

                                                                              let a thousand flowers bloom my friend
                                                                              "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                Just to pick up on one you mentioned earlier: WT Cosgrave was an astonishingly good politician who made some utterly astounding achievements. Shamefully forgotten here for what he managed to do.

                                                                                In that vein R.B Bennett in Canada was another ridiculously effective politician in the same era.
                                                                                You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
                                                                                World Record Holder for Long Distance Soul Reads: May 7th 2011

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                                                                                  so we have learned:
                                                                                  • most Australians are racist
                                                                                  • China is a paragon of democracy
                                                                                  • SF are not great politicians, yet anyway


                                                                                  an educative evening
                                                                                  "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                      Originally posted by Kayroo View Post
                                                                                      Just to pick up on one you mentioned earlier: WT Cosgrave was an astonishingly good politician who made some utterly astounding achievements. Shamefully forgotten here for what he managed to do.
                                                                                      I like to give credit where it's due:

                                                                                      Originally posted by Raoul Duke III
                                                                                      1. WT Cosgrave
                                                                                      2. Sean Lemass
                                                                                      3. Eamon de Valera
                                                                                      4. John A Costelloe
                                                                                      5. John Bruton
                                                                                      6. Garret Fitzgerald
                                                                                      7. Albert Reynolds
                                                                                      8. Liam Cosgrave
                                                                                      9. Charlie Haughey
                                                                                      10. Jack Lynch






                                                                                      11. Brian Cowen










                                                                                      12. Bertie Ahern
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                                                                                        Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                                        I'd be fairly certain, for example, that the Chinese 'dictator' is required to file reports with the communist party on a regular basis. What self-respecting dictator has to do paperwork?
                                                                                        and still he digs

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                                                                                            Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                                            You seem to have not linked to Jiang Zemin's profile. He was a surprisingly prolific moderniser
                                                                                            but not a democratically elected politician and thus disbarred from consideration

                                                                                            if the prize was for "best apparatchik", he'd be in with a good shout. Him and Khrushchev.
                                                                                            "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                              Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post
                                                                                              Fucking exhausted, one killer roadblock in the way of success that I can't get past.
                                                                                              Not giving up, the lad with me is like a duracell bunny, he will go do another all nighter rather than give up but I know we are fucked

                                                                                              FFS!
                                                                                              Ship it! Made the deadline and will get a few hours sleeep too!

                                                                                              Had to get a lad out from the office Christmas party, in a taxi to work to update a key. Going to cost me a bottle of grey goose but well worth it
                                                                                              Turning millions into thousands

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                                                                                                Originally posted by Kayroo View Post
                                                                                                Kennedy achieved fuck all really. Almost no domestic success. One horrible foreign military excursion and one hail mary catch to save the Cuban situation in the missile crisis. Ably assisted by his monstrously talented brother and vice-President.
                                                                                                surely everyone thinks this of JFK though?

                                                                                                do you really not rate Truman? The Man liked to drink and play poker (and less importantly staved off war between East and West).
                                                                                                "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                                  Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post
                                                                                                  Ship it! Made the deadline and will get a few hours sleeep too!

                                                                                                  Had to get a lad out from the office Christmas party, in a taxi to work to update a key. Going to cost me a bottle of grey goose but well worth it
                                                                                                  Where are you? I saw the picture earlier but not the answer.

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                                                                                                      Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                                                      Well you have changed the rules over the original post, so allow me to sulk a bit while I do my nighttime reading on the surprisingly undemocratic islands that are the topic of The Sex Lives of Cannibals. (a rather entertaining travelogue for anyone on the look out for suchlike; albeit there's another 70% left to go in the book)
                                                                                                      I've actually read that. Kiribati, yeah? You've already read the best bits.

                                                                                                      Edit: Paul Theroux's 'The Happy Isles of Oceania' is 10 times better.
                                                                                                      "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                                        Love that thing Raoul does of setting a badly specified task and then arbitarily deciding who is correct or not, with extra abuse to one contestant in particular. Basically channelling his inner Lord Sugar.

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                                                                                                          Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View Post
                                                                                                          Love that thing Raoul does of setting a badly specified task and then arbitarily deciding who is correct or not, with extra abuse to one contestant in particular. Basically channelling his inner Lord Sugar.
                                                                                                          Matches my parenting style too.
                                                                                                          "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                                            1st anniversary of Toms death

                                                                                                            Eldest brother went and popped his clogs yesterday. Hadn't been well for a few weeks, and confirmed with cirrhosis of the liver 2 weeks ago. Put me off going to the IPB beers at the time, had no idea he'd be gone so soon though.

                                                                                                            Somewhat happier times. He's the one with the longer hair. The irony of pics in his pub, meh.

                                                                                                            IMG_0010 by colliexmas, on Flickr
                                                                                                            Gone full 'Glinner' since June 2022.

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                                                                                                                Originally posted by Kayroo View Post
                                                                                                                Oh God no. Best US Presidents (as politicians as opposed to leaders or figureheads) were John Quincy Adams, Andrew Johnson and LBJ.

                                                                                                                Kennedy achieved fuck all really. Almost no domestic success. One horrible foreign military excursion and one hail mary catch to save the Cuban situation in the missile crisis. Ably assisted by his monstrously talented brother and vice-President.
                                                                                                                Andrew Johnson wtf? Do you mean Jackson?

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                                                                                                                  Nigel Farage and Russell Brand together on 'Question time' tomorrow night. Should be good entertainment.

                                                                                                                  Opr

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                                                                                                                    Originally posted by mcnugget View Post
                                                                                                                    Andrew Johnson wtf? Do you mean Jackson?
                                                                                                                    Typed on my phone, didn't even realise it had changed it. Yes I mean Jackson. Thanks for the catch.
                                                                                                                    You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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                                                                                                                      Lagos is a special kind of crazy. There are Primary Elections in progress, its some sort of complicated process, that I'm too tired to google tonight.
                                                                                                                      Every hotel in town is full of people and last night and this morning this one was crammed with politicos and their extraordinary looking entourages. Tonight its a ghost town when we got back a while ago there was no one around we didn't see a single other guest. Apparently thy are all gone out to a big stadium where someone will get a nomination and then they will all come back at about 2 or 3 AM when the party will kick off and then go on for days.
                                                                                                                      Turning millions into thousands

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                                                                                                                        Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View Post
                                                                                                                        What now?
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Kayroo View Post
                                                                                                                        Sorry Strewelly but you're wrong on this one pal.

                                                                                                                        The lads blocking the bridges were utter louts and miles away from the majority of protesters.
                                                                                                                        I was building up to something about them taking their cue from Mary Lou's spoilt child behaviour in the Dail but I'll pass on it


                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                                                                                                        Curious as to who we might classify as 'superb politicians' in our own times.
                                                                                                                        As Enoch Powell explained, all political careers end in failure.

                                                                                                                        Originally posted by 5starpool View Post
                                                                                                                        Where are you? I saw the picture earlier but not the answer.
                                                                                                                        Sunny Lagos.
                                                                                                                        Other than about a half an hour during the day where I was waiting for something to happen I was going non stop full intensity for 15 hours. Back again in 6 hours but it should be a breeze from here on in. Thought I'd be fast asleep by now but I'm buzzing.
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                                                                                                                          David Lloyd George ?



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