Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - BabyforV

[Megatron]

What about the houses that have there own well? Isn't there still a charge for them? Tbh I know fk all about it really, only been looking into it since yesterday.

I think there is. Wrong on so many different levels , you shouldn't have to pay for growing your own Water.

[ionapaul]

These are unfucking believably good for the price. Get the footrest that goes with it. You will not regret it. http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/10212921/

We've got one of these - very comfortable alright. For all its faults, IKEA does many things well at great relative prices.

[RasTa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvjI9ckcUW8

[Frossach]

What about the houses that have there own well? Isn't there still a charge for them? Tbh I know fk all about it really, only been looking into it since yesterday.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/water_services/water_charges.html

No if you have your own well there no charge for water if you have your own septic tank.

[Wombatman]

That's the hilarious thing; if we apply their logic then this is the outcome:

What they say: The Act created a contract between Irish Water and the Government, not the individual.

The implication: The Irish Government have transferred the provision of water services to a private company who now own that utility.



What they say: You cannot be forced into a contract with a private company without consent.

The implication: If you don't send in the form then you won't have a contract with Irish Water.



What they say: If you don't have a contract with Irish Water they can't charge you or apply the usage limits!!!!

The implication: If you don't have a contract with them they won't supply you with water. That's how supplying services under contract works.



So, to reiterate my earlier point...

SPOILER

FUCKING AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

What happens if I live in an apartment and have no contract?

http://www.water.ie/help-centre/questions-and-answers/i-live-in-an-apartment;-w/

[Strewelpeter]

What about the houses that have there own well? Isn't there still a charge for them? Tbh I know fk all about it really, only been looking into it since yesterday.

If you have your own well and are not connected to mains water then you won't have to pay for water.

I really hope Irish water take those notices seriously and disconnect the water from the sub human imbeciles that use them and then charge them the full cost to reconnect.

[Wesley Harms]

If you have your own well and are not connected to mains water then you won't have to pay for water.

I really hope Irish water take those notices seriously and disconnect the water from the sub human imbeciles that use them and then charge them the full cost to reconnect.

Sub human imbeciles is a bit harsh ain't it

[Wombatman]

I think the sub-human imbeciles are the people who welcome the Irish Water, meters and bills, when they already have a water service that they are already paying for.

These protests may be crude and misdirected, but the frustration is legitimate and should be respected.

I for one would be happy with the transfer of the provision of water services if I saw a corresponding tax break, fair metered usage, and profits reinvested to improve system. Not going to happen.

[TheImprover]

Is there people here that are actually in favour of the water charges, water that has chemicals in it???

[ArmaniJeans]

Is there people here that are actually in favour of the water charges, water that has chemicals in it???

Its full of Dihydrogen Monoxide alright.

[Bubbleking]

cant put into words how excited I am for the leinster final on Sunday

[TheImprover]

Its full of Dihydrogen Monoxide alright.

And we have to pay for it.

Great country!!

[The Situation]

cant put into words how excited I am for the leinster final on Sunday

Your excitement will reach its crescendo at half time when Meath go in with a two point advantage, followed by almost immediate despair when Dublin take a ~30 point lead by the 55th minute.

[Denny Crane]

I'm envious of 3 uk users getting free roaming

http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home

What's the best option for us Irish schmucks who want to use data in the US; buy a payg sim over there?

[NewApproach]

I'm envious of 3 uk users getting free roaming

http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home

What's the best option for us Irish schmucks who want to use data in the US; buy a payg sim over there?

If you travel a lot you could do much worse than just buying a UK 3 Sim if they offer that sort of deal.

[Wombatman]

And we have to pay for it.

Great country!!

I would like to take this opportunity to distance myself for all views, posts, quotes, links, and statements, by or associated with the poster known as The Improver.

[TheImprover]

I would like to take this opportunity to distance myself for all views, posts, quotes, links, and statements, by or associated with the poster known as The Improver.

Wtf

[V for Vendetta]

from a baller house to an apartment. Say it aint so V4V.

Fraid so.

The Apt block has a pool and a steam room, the apt itself is pretty big and has much better transport options for Mrs V and is much closer to my office and gym but still....

I need to hit Ikea for extra wardrobes and shoe racks as well....

[DeadParrot]

Is there people here that are actually in favour of the water charges, water that has chemicals in it???

[Strewelpeter]

If you don't like having clean fresh water in abundance delivered right into your home at a cost of a couple of cent per litre then dig your own well.
Simple as that.

The argument that consumer services like water should be self financing based on consumption has been done and dusted, the Shinners are the only semi serious political party pretending not to be in favour of it and they don't really believe their own position which is 180 degrees from their position in the North.
If people are concerned about the consumer pays principle being brought in for services that were traditionally paid for out of general taxation I'd suggest there are more significant changes coming down the line in areas like health, education, environment and transport and perhaps there are arguable cases to be made for and against some of those areas.

Whether or not there will be an equivalent write down in taxation is moot. It remains up to all citizens to ensure that all government spending is relevant and disciplined.

[White Knight]

We're moving to an apt in Cabinteely soon.

The broadband options are Sky with a max speed of 17mb for 30 per month for the first 6 months rising to 40 per month thereafter or a 4G dongle. Any recommendations or views?

Sky seem to own the cables in the apt block so that's the only physical line option.

Anybody got any experience with the reliability of a 4g dongle in south Dublin?

Ty.

Fraid so.

The Apt block has a pool and a steam room, the apt itself is pretty big and has much better transport options for Mrs V and is much closer to my office and gym but still....

I need to hit Ikea for extra wardrobes and shoe racks as well....

By the sounds of it I might be in the same area as you will be. Have Digiweb and they were able to remotely fix the telephone line up at the exchange side. It caused a minor delay in the process but have not had a problem with them and there nearly 2 years. I only have the 8MB for €40 but rarely have any issues with speed. Have Sky TV through the apartment shared dish and again no issues after it was set up.

[Denny Crane]

Upc seemed to have throttled my cousins to a standstill, dies this happen anyone else?

[TheDrunkenOne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfsMMVgIToA

[bp_me]

Upc seemed to have throttled my cousins to a standstill, dies this happen anyone else?

Are your cousins using wireless and have they tried turning their modem on and off?

[ArmaniJeans]

How is Owen Keegan getting on with the Oireachtas Committee on Multiple Large Concerts?
Winning, being bullied, holding his own?

[AndyFatBastard]

How is Owen Keegan getting on with the Oireachtas Committee on Multiple Large Concerts?
Winning, being bullied, holding his own?

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/keegan-decision-on-garth-brooks-concerts-was-appropriate-balanced-and-reasonable-1.1866824

Seems to be happy to stand by the decision. Shifting the blame to Brooks is the right play, for sure.

[tipp86]

We're moving to an apt in Cabinteely soon.

The broadband options are Sky with a max speed of 17mb for 30 per month for the first 6 months rising to 40 per month thereafter or a 4G dongle. Any recommendations or views?

Sky seem to own the cables in the apt block so that's the only physical line option.

Anybody got any experience with the reliability of a 4g dongle in south Dublin?

Ty.

Sky offered me €30 a month for 12 months recently so you may get a slightly better deal.

I'm envious of 3 uk users getting free roaming

http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home

What's the best option for us Irish schmucks who want to use data in the US; buy a payg sim over there?

I paid $70 for Tmobile pay as you go sim. It gave me unlimited calls and data and I could have got international texts for $10 extra. I was over there for 3 weeks and I felt it was good value considering I used it in the car instead of sat nav.

[Starvin Marvin]

The water in my estate is manky dirty.

People have to install softeners and drink bottled water it's so bad.
Ruining appliances etc.

Not a hope I'm paying money for that kind of service.

[Megatron]

Anybody been following this Dundon/Killeen case in Limerick? They have been found guilty just now. It strikes me from this case that there is an awful lot of splintering going on down there - sisters, cousins, friends,fellow gang members all testifying etc. Anybody with a finger on the pulse able to comment about what is going on?

Just noticed they have Dundons house blocked out on Google Street view. Is that a common practice? Would he have requested it?

Link

[Denny Crane]

Are your cousins using wireless and have they tried turning their modem on and off?

Wired and yep!

I paid $70 for Tmobile pay as you go sim. It gave me unlimited calls and data and I could have got international texts for $10 extra. I was over there for 3 weeks and I felt it was good value considering I used it in the car instead of sat nav.

Going for the UK sim with the £15 all you can eat data seems to be the best option, assuming I'm not missing any other T&Cs. Does feel like taking the piss though.

* To benefit from Feel At Home, SIM only phone customers must have been with Three for more than 30 days.

[TheImprover]

The water in my estate is manky dirty.

People have to install softeners and drink bottled water it's so bad.
Ruining appliances etc.

Not a hope I'm paying money for that kind of service.

I heard on the news a few months back or the radio, cant really remember, but anyway, it was about some woman who went to the states to see some specialist about her cancer and he asked her "do you drink much water in Ireland", she replied "yes", he told her thats where her cancer came from.

[Guest]

I heard on the news a few months back or the radio, cant really remember, but anyway, it was about some woman who went to the states to see some specialist about her cancer and he asked her "do you drink much water in Ireland", she replied "yes", he told her thats where her cancer came from.

sounds legit

[Mike]

I heard on the news a few months back or the radio, cant really remember, but anyway, it was about some woman who went to the states to see some specialist about her cancer and he asked her "do you drink much water in Ireland", she replied "yes", he told her thats where her cancer came from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrZRrzfMF3o

[TheImprover]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrZRrzfMF3o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7RIR2bJl7ZA

[dazzler]

I heard on the news a few months back or the radio, cant really remember, but anyway, it was about some woman who went to the states to see some specialist about her cancer and he asked her "do you drink much water in Ireland", she replied "yes", he told her thats where her cancer came from.

'twould explain the ~4.5 million cases of cancer per annum on our little isle alright

[TheImprover]

sounds legit

Dont know if your been sarcastic or not but why would I make something like this up, maybe the radio or the news made it up.

[Wombatman]

phew

[Theresa]

Just been for some Pho in Pho Saigon beside Connolly.

Absolutely the best pho in Dublin. If anyone is around the IFSC and looking for something different for lunc, I'd recommend.

Have tried all 3 Viet places in town now and this one is comfortably the best.

[shortstack]

Wired and yep!



Going for the UK sim with the £15 all you can eat data seems to be the best option, assuming I'm not missing any other T&Cs. Does feel like taking the piss though.

All you can eat data is restricted to 25gb abroad and tethering is not supported. Unlimited texts are limited to 5000 I think but still a good deal better than other networks.

Doesn't Vodafone in Ireland have the same add on as the UK where you can get your home tariff for £2 a day whilst abroad?

[dazzler]

Waterford Whisperer belts it out of the park again:

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/07/15/hey-remember-when-you-won-the-nobel-peace-prize-palestinian-children-ask-obama/

[shano1888]

I heard on the news a few months back or the radio, cant really remember, but anyway, it was about some woman who went to the states to see some specialist about her cancer and he asked her "do you drink much water in Ireland", she replied "yes", he told her thats where her cancer came from.

Riddled with contraceptives as well.

[Zod]

Dont know if your been sarcastic or not but why would I make something like this up, maybe the radio or the news made it up.

this is Dr. Mercola fueled nonsense. There is no medical or statistical proof that water fluoridation is responsible for cancer rates in Ireland.

[TheImprover]

this is Dr. Mercola fueled nonsense. There is no medical or statistical proof that water fluoridation is responsible for cancer rates in Ireland.

Yes thats true but we are the only country in europe to use fluoride in our water. There is no proof that tobaco causes cancer either. Watch this debate http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=7RIR2bJl7ZA

[AndyFatBastard]

There is no proof that tobaco causes cancer either.

Keith I know that years of exposure to Cork has driven you mad, but you're smarter than this.

[Strewelpeter]

Anybody been following this Dundon/Killeen case in Limerick? They have been found guilty just now. It strikes me from this case that there is an awful lot of splintering going on down there - sisters, cousins, friends,fellow gang members all testifying etc. Anybody with a finger on the pulse able to comment about what is going on?

There seems to be a huge amount of them hiding out around the West Kildare East Offaly area.

[Jam-Fly]

Anybody been following this Dundon/Killeen case in Limerick? They have been found guilty just now. It strikes me from this case that there is an awful lot of splintering going on down there - sisters, cousins, friends,fellow gang members all testifying etc. Anybody with a finger on the pulse able to comment about what is going on?

I'd know his sister, was in school with her and that. Overriding feeling definitely seems to be serves them right, good riddance, good to have scum off the street etc. The verdict looks like it's a victory against the gangs and the pressure and influence the gangs have - the family definitely did go through a lot to ensure the case remained public and didn't just go away.

As for the case itself, jesus I don't really know. I think the natural human instinct is to side with the victim regardless of whatever evidence is presented. As you said, there was a lot of testifying from a lot of people, a lot of which seemed not to be admissible.

[Zod]

Yes thats true but we are the only country in europe to use fluoride in our water. There is no proof that tobaco causes cancer either. Watch this debate http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=7RIR2bJl7ZA

So does parts of the UK. Sinapore also fluoridates its water supply and has a lower cancer rate than other Asian countries who don't.

Politicians jumping on a bandwagon created by an Angel Healer and Declan Waugh doesn't make the science they are referencing sound.

[Kayroo]

NO CONSENT – NO CONTRACT
Irish Water are a private for-profit company: http://fliuch.org/cro – under EU/Irish law you cannot be forced into a contract with a private for-profit company.

The issue of consent for contractual validity is common law, it's not found anywhere in Irish or EU law per se. However strictly speaking this bit is true. It's just a hugely over-simplified version of the actual truth.

Irish Water is a statutory subsidiary of Bord Gais. Like all State monopolies (Irish Water is clearly a monopoly) the provision of the service is subsumed from the activities of the State. Irish Water simply takes over the services previously supplied by the County Councils and then undertakes the duties required of it by Statute. Bord Gais is a semi-state and therefore so is Irish Water. They are both created by Statute.

The meter is the contract.

No, it's not. The Act doesn't created a contract with the State. It doesn't create a contract at all. It nominates a statutory body to undertake the installation of meters, the repair and installation of pipelines and the regulation of both. Not all of the water services are subsumed to Irish Water. ESB still control many of the reservoirs for example for hydroelectric purposes and much of the water release through those reservoirs is governed by private agreement between the ESB and the relevant County Councils.

So, in short, there is no contract created by the Act.

These forms in September are the contract.

No. They are not. If you want water then this is the method the State has chosen to provide it. Even if there was a contract you can consent to it by action. By using the State's water supply you are agreeing to be bound by the terms of its use. It's the equivalent of getting on a Luas and not paying for a ticket. You have consented to the contract just by getting on board.

Irish Water ARE NOT a semi-state company.

They are a subsidiary of a semi-state. They are, in effect, a semi-state. Their board is governed by statute, as is their function, scope and corporate governance. They are wholly owned by a State owned supplier.

They DO NOT have the right to ask for your PPS Number – there are huge data privacy issues here.

There are data protection issues. That's why they've asked for them publicly and why the Data Protection Commissioner is checking it out before it goes any further. There's no conspiracy here. It's proper practice and quite understandable.

If the description of the forms coming in September is correct and there is a pre-ticked ‘Recurring Payment’ box then the form is null and void as pre-ticked boxes are illegal under EU/Irish law.

Pre-ticked boxes aren't "illegal". People like this throw around the word illegal too liberally. There is an element of contract law that deals with equality of bargaining positions but without seeing the forms it wouldn't be possible to tell if they are strictly equitable and, even if they weren't, that wouldn't necessarily invalidate the form since it is just putting in place a mechanism that is required by statute.


CLIFF NOTES:

No Consent - No Contract is like the motto of loony Freeman groups. Where you see it your eyes should automatically roll backwards. Like all good snake oil sales/conspiracy theories they always sound as if they make sense but they are actually total nonsense. If they didn't sound at least somewhat plausible they wouldn't catch on.

[Kayroo]

phew

Close call there alright. I know your position is more ideologically based than "But I read it on Facebook" based and gets the requisite level of respect from me as a result.

[TheImprover]

So does parts of the UK. Sinapore also fluoridates its water supply and has a lower cancer rate than other Asian countries who don't.

Politicians jumping on a bandwagon created by an Angel Healer and Declan Waugh doesn't make the science they are referencing sound.

I dont know enough about it but there has to be something there, wether it be in the air, water or ground that causes the such high cancer rates in this country.

[Kayroo]

I dont know enough about it but there has to be something there, wether it be in the air, water or ground that causes the such high cancer rates in this country.

Just because we don't know the cause (or, far more likely, the causes) of the high cancer rates doesn't mean we should pick things for which there is no credible evidence and determine that they must be the cause.

And remember folks:

We DID land on the moon.
Vaccines DO NOT cause autism.
Obama is NOT a Muslim Marxist.

[Jam-Fly]

I dont know enough about it but there has to be something there, wether it be in the air, water or ground that causes the such high cancer rates in this country.

It's the dampness, Ireland is a very damp country and that is the root of all our health problems.

[Denny Crane]

I dont know enough about it but there has to be something there, wether it be in the air, water or ground that causes the such high cancer rates in this country.

Probably the radon.

[Megatron]

I dont know enough about it but there has to be something there, wether it be in the air, water or ground that causes the such high cancer rates in this country.

The Water is full of Hydrogen

[Zod]

Probably the radon.

radon levels on the way down, Thoron on the way up.

[Tar.Aldarion]

If you don't forward this 10 times by the end of today you will get water cancer.

[TheImprover]

The Water is full of Hydrogen

And oxygen, H2O

[Strewelpeter]

Probably the radon.

And the diet and the smoking and the drinking and the pollution and the sedentary lifestyle and the fact that life expectancy has stretched into the 80's and...

But hey, as long as we can crash out on the sofa skulling pints and living on takeaways while all the time blaming our high rates of cancer on pylons and fluoride sure well be grand

[AndyFatBastard]

I dont know enough about it but there has to be something there, wether it be in the air, water or ground that causes the such high cancer rates in this country.

So? Irish people also have the highest rate of cystic fibrosis in the world, particularly concentrated in the north east of the country. This was blamed by some on radiation from Sellafield, until it was shown to be entirely a genetic condition. The high rates of CF in our generation were caused by the high rates of CF in the previous generation, which was caused by... and so on. This is exacerbated by low mobility of the population, and poor medical record keeping, which just goes to show that people from Louth are inbred. Source: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/heal...cf/causes.html

Maybe there is one individual factor causing cancer in Ireland, but without evidence, assigning it to any one cause is pure speculation. There have been numerous studies comparing civilian health between comparable populations, including before and after data. The only effect that water flouridation has been shown to have is improved dental hygiene.

[Denny Crane]

And the diet and the smoking and the drinking and the pollution and the sedentary lifestyle and the fact that life expectancy has stretched into the 80's and...

But hey, as long as we can crash out on the sofa skulling pints and living on takeaways while all the time blaming our high rates of cancer on pylons and fluoride sure well be grand

I read Risk Savy recently. Seemingly if a man makes it to old age it can be pretty much assumed he has at least prostate cancer, but risks and side effects from surgery are so high that it should be just left alone. *


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