Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - BabyforV

[iSnow]

Jeez I would hate that job. Reads to me ( I may be way off ) you get to know and work at keeping ppl happy as you bleed as much as you can from them.

That's pretty much the name of the game really. You also get to schmooze them at racing/social events. You need to switch off your heart and learn to enjoy when someone does €50K in a day. Just send flowers.

[The C Kid]

Don't normally agree with anything Zod posts but that's a very good post.

[iSnow]

Bit like working in a casino i guess.
Even if many of the staff in certain places look like there their? dog died that morning.

Yeah some of the dealers look haggard. This would be a clean job where you could work from home. You would need suitable attire for social events and the ability to empathise and manipulate your stable of VIPs so balls and a backbone are essential.

Did you ever have the job as a fishing guide ghillie?
Bobbing along and getting paid for it.

I did this for one day and will never do it again. On numerous occasions I got a fly hook stuck in my face, narrowly missing my eye.I love being out on a boat but the lads I took left a load of litter in my boat and didn't tip. It was €50 for the day so hardly worth it unless the weather is fine.

[AndyFatBastard]

Actually, you're missing the point, to a certain degree.

"know your place" doesn't mean "just be a cheerleader". It's more to do with using your platform as a man to promote women's voices (particularly in the case of the pro-choice movement) not to talk over them, or try to convince them of the illigitimacy of their experiences based on a study you sort of read a while ago that doesn't agree with their views.

It's not about being silent, nor is it about being second class in the movement, it's about acknowledging that their experiences will never be our experiences and their voices should be heard above ours. We as men will never have an issue having our opinions considered. Women, not so much.


the only reason that this is unfortunately becoming the main talking point is that people are not ready to ask themselves why they are uncomfortable with the notion of an angry black woman displaying her anger.

Some men in the movement are taking offence because they are looking for credit for being so "right on", yet don't realise when they are perpetuating the conditions that women feel oppressed by.

Doing a course in womens studies will not give you the experience of being a woman.

edited to add: Lets not forget the role Youth Defence and other assorted racists have in stirring the pot on this.

This all makes perfect sense, but you can see the differences between what you just wrote and what she said, right?

The bolded bit is what I really have a problem with: If someone has reached a bunch of erroneous conclusions based on the tiny sample size that is their own experience, then the fact that they experienced it doesn't make their conclusions any less erroneous, does it? Being a member of an opressed minority doesn't give you carte blanche to forget the difference between anecdote and data.

"Knowing your place" can also be used to mean "Don't be using your science and reason to tell me that I'm wrong". And that's a really dangerous, unhealthy attitude that will inevitably lead to undesirable outcomes like the one we've just seen.

[LuckyLloyd]

the only reason that this is unfortunately becoming the main talking point is that people are not ready to ask themselves why they are uncomfortable with the notion of an angry black woman displaying her anger.

I'd call that 'reaching' at best.

[Dice75]

DPD must be the greenest company going these days. 3 boxes left Germany on Tuesday. One arrived yesterday from their Coolock branch, and the other 2 today at the same time with separate drivers from Sandyford & Bluebell. Cost effectiveness at its finest.

[ITT-Pat]

nicest places to have coffee in dublin city centre?

Accents is a great little spot on Stephen St (across from P.Mac’s and Hairy Lemon)

[Zod]

This all makes perfect sense, but you can see the differences between what you just wrote and what she said, right?

Here's what she actually said in regards to the "know your place"

"“I want to address all the men in this audience. All the men who have with their female friends who have come here today to be with us, to support us.

“I want to talk to all the men today, who made placards and banners of pro-choice.

“I want to talk to the men today who made countless articles to show support to women to have body autonomy for themselves

“I am saying to all those men – know your place. This is a women’s movement. And your support, as much as it's always needed, you must always remember you are here are here to support women.

“If you see any man, any man, friend or foe – if they are against any women who are trying to speak about their experience - you know nothing about it.

“You must listen to them, you must never tell them of any women’s studies or international development course that you decide of your won free choice to participate in. Your debate is not my life.

“I love and respect and appreciate the men who do this. But remember your place. This is a women’s movement.”

[AndyFatBastard]

You can see how wildly lacking in context and open to interpretation that is, right?

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[Zod]

You can see how wildly lacking in context and open to interpretation that is, right?

Yes, it is open to interpretation. But is she wildly wrong in what she is saying?

[AndyFatBastard]

Yes, it is open to interpretation. But is she wildly wrong in what she is saying?

Yes.

[Zod]

Yes.

I disagree.

[AndyFatBastard]

I disagree.

I'll fight ya

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[Guest]

Yes, it is open to interpretation. But is she wildly wrong in what she is saying?

She did call us ireland a wretched racist mysogenic country.
Begs the question if its so bad and horrible to women why dosent she leave?
Headcases like this do the pro choice movement no good.
Fuck democracy giving loons like this and others use of megaphones in public.

[Closed_Account]

I am now a resident of Zurich. Hells Yes.

[Guest]

@denny any market jitters over the 'direct invasion' of Ukraine by those Russian aid trucks, or is it being viewed as a non-event?

Fair play to Putin helping his own people in East Ukraine who are suffering from indiscriminate shelling and bombing from Eu and us backed puppets.

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[Zod]

She did call us ireland a wretched racist mysogenic country.
Begs the question if its so bad and horrible to women why dosent she leave?
Headcases like this do the pro choice movement no good.
Fuck democracy giving loons like this and others use of megaphones in public.

She's angry beause tomorrow it could be her, and she is speaking out because she wants to stay and help make Ireland better.

[LuckyLloyd]

She's angry beause tomorrow it could be her, and she is speaking out because she wants to stay and help make Ireland better.

Ireland is far from a 'wretched' country. Aside from everything else, people who think or say same are idiots.

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[Guest]

She's angry beause tomorrow it could be her, and she is speaking out because she wants to stay and help make Ireland better.

Brave man to mount that woman
Guns better than lads who have been training here for years.
Do you agree ireland is a wretched racist mysogenic country.
Doubt she gives a fuck about ireland spouting rhetoric to keep her employed in whatever quango she gets paid by.

[Guest]

Yeah. Eastern Ukraine was historically part of Russia, Western Ukraine historically part of Poland (hence why the Polish are being so outspoken on the matter). It's a fake country originally developed by Bismarck to keep Russia occupied with a war on its borders rather than antogonising the Germans.

Map below (from wiki) of how the 'country' was constructed (1922 is the addition of Eastern Ukraine where the war is currently being fought):

The Poles have many reasons to resent and hate the Russians was it not part of Austro-Hungarian empire the westeren bit?
Its a cluster fuck and with the seeds sown now even if peace deal was brokered tommorow
im sure terrorist attacks will become norm for years to come.

[Denny Crane]

This all makes perfect sense, but you can see the differences between what you just wrote and what she said, right?

My first thought.

I'd call that 'reaching' at best.

Somewhere near my second.

[Keane]

Here's what she actually said in regards to the "know your place"

"“I want to address all the men in this audience. All the men who have with their female friends who have come here today to be with us, to support us.

“I want to talk to all the men today, who made placards and banners of pro-choice.

“I want to talk to the men today who made countless articles to show support to women to have body autonomy for themselves

“I am saying to all those men – know your place. This is a women’s movement. And your support, as much as it's always needed, you must always remember you are here are here to support women.

“If you see any man, any man, friend or foe – if they are against any women who are trying to speak about their experience - you know nothing about it.

“You must listen to them, you must never tell them of any women’s studies or international development course that you decide of your won free choice to participate in. Your debate is not my life.

“I love and respect and appreciate the men who do this. But remember your place. This is a women’s movement.”

Maybe you think she meant something very, very different to what she said, because that there is fucking nonsense.

[gorrrr72]

She's angry beause tomorrow it could be her, and she is speaking out because she wants to stay and help make Ireland better.

I don't know, maybe it's a lost in translation thing.
When someone says "know your place" it's generally a way of saying "back off", and it doesn't make sense to tell the people who agree with your standpoint to back off.

I know it's not the same thing but if vasectomy was illegal and men were protesting in the same way, and one of the speakers got up and told women supporters "thank you for your support but know your place", I couldn't see this as anything else but being incredibly insulting.

[Denny Crane]

@denny any market jitters over the 'direct invasion' of Ukraine by those Russian aid trucks, or is it being viewed as a non-event?

The statement about it being an invasion moved things slightly until they said they were going to avoid confrontation. I was actually at the gym and missed it. Was just thinking beforehand that all my biggest trades recently seem to involve people dying.

But no the markets see it as a non-event, probably more just sick of hearing about it at this stage. Yellen is much more important at the moment unless the Ukrainians decide to blow up another column.

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[hotspur]

We must play open face again or settle up, I believe theres a new pinapple version or something, have fallen behind.

I've no interest in playing ofc anymore. KK82 is the only one I've settled up with, because he was the only one I was down to. If anyone who owes me wants to settle up, well and good.

I'll explain next week but for now. Gah!!!!

Obv V makes us of insider knowledge about a certain application to Maynooth Uni to apply for teaching position in DCU Physics department.

[hotspur]

I am trying to do a play on famous first and seconds in a humorous manner i.e. Chicken and Egg. Anybody got anything similar?

Pride and fall?

Not actually funny, but possibly "humorous".

[Zod]

I don't know, maybe it's a lost in translation thing.
When someone says "know your place" it's generally a way of saying "back off", and it doesn't make sense to tell the people who agree with your standpoint to back off.

There's a difference you may be missing between "back off from voicing your opinion" and "back off from trying to dominate".

It's my view she meant the latter, because it's a very real phenomenon among male allies of the feminist movement.

[Zod]

Maybe you think she meant something very, very different to what she said, because that there is fucking nonsense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

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[gorrrr72]

There's a difference you may be missing between "back off from voicing your opinion" and "back off from trying to dominate".

It's my view she meant the latter, because it's a very real phenomenon among male allies of the feminist movement.

Fair nuff, my opinion is based on how I felt as a pro-choice supporter watching the video of her speech. Well it goes a lot deeper than that actually but I don't really want to get into that.

[Denny Crane]

Even easier than that hitch

http://www.gifyoutube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

[japeye]

Hats off to WWN, another master piece

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/08/22/mayo-garda-finally-books-that-guy-who-bullied-him-in-primary-school/

[hotspur]

There's a difference you may be missing between "back off from voicing your opinion" and "back off from trying to dominate".

It's my view she meant the latter, because it's a very real phenomenon among male allies of the feminist movement.

Typical patriarchal produced male constituting for us what this woman said. The video is out there, we should just listen to her. It's not your job to interpret for society what this woman said, meant, or had in her heart. Back off male pig.

[Denny Crane]

Hmm, cfa website tells me it's 102 days until the exam, guess I should start.

[Wesley Harms]

I am trying to do a play on famous first and seconds in a humorous manner i.e. Chicken and Egg. Anybody got anything similar?

Hendry and Jimmy

[Zod]

Hmm, cfa website tells me it's 102 days until the exam, guess I should start.

Don't think you'll be able to start the exam until the day of the exam.

[pokerhand]

CHD, fair play to you dude, that was one class game of WW.

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[Denny Crane]

Three full months and I would already know some % of the material? I printed up the notes and went over the preliminary details when I signed up. Obv not going to get 300 hours in but I don't think I'm that fucked.

[Raoul Duke III]

Hamas doing their bit for their oppressed brethren today, providing public entertainment and doing their bit to solve the housing crisis in Gaza. No doubt there will be marches outside the Palestinian consulate in protest at this barbarity.

I did comment a few days back that they wouldn't like to be outdone by their IS competition. Looks like they're rising to the challenge.

[tylerdurden94]

Bumped into El Tren yesterday morning when I was walking to the casino, stopped to chat briefly and asked him what he was up to "off to bed as I haven't been to sleep" must've had a good night at the players party.

[Strewelpeter]

Hamas doing their bit for their oppressed brethren today, providing public entertainment and doing their bit to solve the housing crisis in Gaza. No doubt there will be marches outside the Palestinian consulate in protest at this barbarity.

I did comment a few days back that they wouldn't like to be outdone by their IS competition. Looks like they're rising to the challenge.

Did you watch the Hugo Blick show, The Honorable Woman with Maggie Gyllenhaal that finished on BBC last night?

[Raoul Duke III]

Did you watch the Hugo Blick show, The Honorable Woman with Maggie Gyllenhaal that finished on BBC last night?

No.

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[Strewelpeter]

No.

You'll definitely enjoy it, good solid espionage thriller drama set against the background of recent Palestinian Israeli American and British comings and goings.

Highly recommended.

[Jam-Fly]

An erasmus student that played football in UL last year contacted a few days ago asking if I'd like to write some football articles for a new site he's started (it's a Swedish and English site). The criteria to be one of the main contributors was 'English is your mother language' and 'you're into football' so it's not going to be anything majorly serious. Anyway, I still like to put some effort into these things and he posted the first piece this morning. Criticism welcomed. More concerned about any writing mistakes I may have made (flow, paragraph/sentence lengths, use of words etc.) than the opinion expressed, but I'll happily defend the opinion if people disagree with it too

http://www.fotbollutangranser.net/costa-and-fabregas-the-final-pieces-of-the-mourinho-jigsaw/

It's 666 words length wise. There was no strict guidelines for word-count, but he told me anything around 350-400 was fine, so I think he was looking more for shorter articles generally.

[hotspur]

Criticism welcomed. More concerned about any writing mistakes I may have made (flow, paragraph/sentence lengths, use of words etc.) than the opinion expressed, but I'll happily defend the opinion if people disagree with it too
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I thought that flowed quite well, well done.

Gonna disagree about the aerial merits of Diego Costa though for route one, his stats show he only wins about a quarter of his aerial battles.

[CHDad]

An erasmus student that played football in UL last year contacted a few days ago asking if I'd like to write some football articles for a new site he's started (it's a Swedish and English site). The criteria to be one of the main contributors was 'English is your mother language' and 'you're into football' so it's not going to be anything majorly serious. Anyway, I still like to put some effort into these things and he posted the first piece this morning. Criticism welcomed. More concerned about any writing mistakes I may have made (flow, paragraph/sentence lengths, use of words etc.) than the opinion expressed, but I'll happily defend the opinion if people disagree with it too

http://www.fotbollutangranser.net/costa-and-fabregas-the-final-pieces-of-the-mourinho-jigsaw/

It's 666 words length wise. There was no strict guidelines for word-count, but he told me anything around 350-400 was fine, so I think he was looking more for shorter articles generally.

Only criticism is your haircut.

[The Situation]

An erasmus student that played football in UL last year contacted a few days ago asking if I'd like to write some football articles for a new site he's started (it's a Swedish and English site). The criteria to be one of the main contributors was 'English is your mother language' and 'you're into football' so it's not going to be anything majorly serious. Anyway, I still like to put some effort into these things and he posted the first piece this morning. Criticism welcomed. More concerned about any writing mistakes I may have made (flow, paragraph/sentence lengths, use of words etc.) than the opinion expressed, but I'll happily defend the opinion if people disagree with it too

http://www.fotbollutangranser.net/costa-and-fabregas-the-final-pieces-of-the-mourinho-jigsaw/

It's 666 words length wise. There was no strict guidelines for word-count, but he told me anything around 350-400 was fine, so I think he was looking more for shorter articles generally.

The Mata sale is still a bit of a puzzling one for me, Jose's sides were always built around the number 10, one of the few modern managers that actually deployed a classic playmaker, Deco at Porto, Wesley at Inter and Ozil at Madrid, none of which are particularly known for their defensive work so Mata looked taylor made to slot into a similar role. Perhaps he thinks the continental game is more suited to that style of player, more space to exploit ect.. or perhaps he just didn't rate him as highly as those that performed the role for him in the past.

[LuckyLloyd]

The Mata sale is still a bit of a puzzling one for me, Jose's sides were always built around the number 10, one of the few modern managers that actually deployed a classic playmaker, Deco at Porto, Wesley at Inter and Ozil at Madrid, none of which are particularly known for their defensive work so Mata looked taylor made to slot into a similar role. Perhaps he thinks the continental game is more suited to that style of player, more space to exploit ect.. or perhaps he just didn't rate him as highly as those that performed the role for him in the past.

It's early days of course, but thus far at Utd Mata hasn't proven Jose wrong.

[Zod]

It's early days of course, but thus far at Utd Mata hasn't proven Jose wrong.

David Moyes.

[The Situation]

It's early days of course, but thus far at Utd Mata hasn't proven Jose wrong.

True, he certainly hasn't set the world alight, similar to a lot of Spanish players since a certain pharmaceutical avenue has dried up.

[CHDad]

The Mata sale is still a bit of a puzzling one for me, Jose's sides were always built around the number 10, one of the few modern managers that actually deployed a classic playmaker, Deco at Porto, Wesley at Inter and Ozil at Madrid, none of which are particularly known for their defensive work so Mata looked taylor made to slot into a similar role. Perhaps he thinks the continental game is more suited to that style of player, more space to exploit ect.. or perhaps he just didn't rate him as highly as those that performed the role for him in the past.

You've answered your own question here.

Jose never used a no.10 in his first stint at Chelsea. It didn't always work last year when used either so he has reverted back to what won him two PL titles before. Oscar isn't good enough at the moment. In comes Fabregas and what we will eventually see is the 3 man midfield again. We'll know more in a month if Ramires has a place or if Oscar is going to be deployed as a midfielder.

Mata is a special little player but he isn't right for what Jose prefers in England. He lacks pace and has zero interest in defending.

[CHDad]

David Moyes.

Moyes didn't do much wrong. Ferguson was just really really good at what he did and left him shit.

[Raoul Duke III]

Some ride by Hughes on Sole Power today. Outstanding.