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Originally posted by Jam-Fly View PostIs it 'Man Utd was' or 'Man Utd were' e.g. "when Man Utd was/were on the front foot."
Can both be used at different times? Like in the above example, Man Utd reads as 'they' (so were is correct), but what about times when it reads most like 'the club' e.g. 'Man Utd was top of the league that day'
But British English is different and the use of the plural for companies is very common. Strictly speaking one ought to use the plural when referring to the people in the company as a group rather than when referring to the single legal entity.
So when you say "Man United are a mid table club, lol", you are kind of referring to all of the people who make up Man United. But you would say "Man United has risen in share price (if it were a public company)". Edit: this is a shit example as the "has" refers to share price not Man Utd, but can't be bothered to come up with a new one.
This distinction between referring to a group as a thing and a group as the people in it is something we do implicitly, and a little puzzling when you try to be explicit about the grammatical rule underlying it.
So you are right that both can be used at different times.Last edited by hotspur; 22-08-14, 00:20.
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Originally posted by hotspur View PostIn US English they treat such company names as singular, so they would never say "Google have bought the moon", it would always be "Google has bought the moon".
But British English is different and the use of the plural for companies is very common. Strictly speaking one ought to use the plural when referring to the people in the company as a group rather than when referring to the single legal entity.
So when you say "Man United are a mid table club, lol", you are kind of referring to all of the people who make up Man United. But you would say "Man United has risen in share price (if it were a public company)".
This distinction between referring to a group as a thing and a group as the people in it is something we do implicitly, and a little puzzling when you try to be explicit about the grammatical rule underlying it.
So you are right that both can be used at different times.
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Originally posted by dobman88 View PostYikes! I've watched many a show/movie on your recommendation. Why the hate for Ray Donovan? I love it. Interested in your opinion because you keep up to date on tv shows and the like.
Also I'm gonna weigh in on CHD's side (this has nothing to do with DannyDiamond as such, just the form of the argument). Saying someone's grand because they haven't done anything personally to you is a very self absorbed perspective, lacking in empathy and ethical maturity.
I would rather someone said "I like this guy, he may have been a scumbag to others, but I don't care about that." That to me is more honest than saying "He is an okay guy". It's only cognitive dissonance causing that. The truth is 1) I like him 2) He's been a scumbag to others 3) This is hard to psychologically resolve 4) So one way my brain will do it is to tell me that he isn't *really* a scumbag because...5) I don't like and have friends who are scumbags.
Again, I want to reiterate I'm not saying anything about DannyDiamond.
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Originally posted by hotspur View PostI watch Ray Donovan. I enjoy Ray Donovan. But Ray Donovan is not a good show. I only watch it because I find Liev Schreiber to be hypnotic to look at.
Also I'm gonna weigh in on CHD's side (this has nothing to do with DannyDiamond as such, just the form of the argument). Saying someone's grand because they haven't done anything personally to you is a very self absorbed perspective, lacking in empathy and ethical maturity.
I would rather someone said "I like this guy, he may have been a scumbag to others, but I don't care about that." That to me is more honest than saying "He is an okay guy". It's only cognitive dissonance causing that. The truth is 1) I like him 2) He's been a scumbag to others 3) This is hard to psychologically resolve 4) So one way my brain will do it is to tell me that he isn't *really* a scumbag because...5) I don't like and have friends who are scumbags.
Again, I want to reiterate I'm not saying anything about DannyDiamond.
fwiw, my mentality is also very much 'he may be a scumbag to others, but I realise that and am willing to put up with it in certain circumstances', just in case that wasn't clear in my other posts. It's definitely not a case of convincing myself he's actually a salt of the earth human being.
I just think some people limit themselves and their friends/acquaintances/pals/mates because a particular person isn't perfect. This is more about small personality traits, and less about massive personality defects (being a murderer, gambling addict, cleptomaniac etc.), but I think technically speaking, it can be applied to both.
If you take a less extreme example of someone who is ridiculously tight with money; so much so that they'd take ethically questionable steps to get out of parting with money. This person could seriously annoy and bother you with their actions. Some people would basically decide they don't want to put up with this carry-on anymore and just cut the person out of their life completely and want no interaction with them whatsoever. I'd be of a different mentality, I wouldn't mind interacting with this person in certain circumstances, so long as I'm comfortable and happy with the specific situation. I'd make sure not to put myself in a situation where their flaws could effect me, but I wouldn't feel the need to make a black-and-white decision of either putting up with them or cutting them out of my life completely.
and also, none of what I've said is specifically relevant to DannyDiamond, I don't think I even know him.
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Originally posted by hotspur View PostI watch Ray Donovan. I enjoy Ray Donovan. But Ray Donovan is not a good show. I only watch it because I find Liev Schreiber to be hypnotic to look at.
Also I'm gonna weigh in on CHD's side (this has nothing to do with DannyDiamond as such, just the form of the argument). Saying someone's grand because they haven't done anything personally to you is a very self absorbed perspective, lacking in empathy and ethical maturity.
I would rather someone said "I like this guy, he may have been a scumbag to others, but I don't care about that." That to me is more honest than saying "He is an okay guy". It's only cognitive dissonance causing that. The truth is 1) I like him 2) He's been a scumbag to others 3) This is hard to psychologically resolve 4) So one way my brain will do it is to tell me that he isn't *really* a scumbag because...5) I don't like and have friends who are scumbags.
Again, I want to reiterate I'm not saying anything about DannyDiamond.airport, lol
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Originally posted by TheDrunkenOne View PostJeez I would hate that job. Reads to me ( I may be way off ) you get to know and work at keeping ppl happy as you bleed as much as you can from them.
Even if many of the staff in certain places look like there their? dog died that morning.
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Originally posted by TheDrunkenOne View PostJeez I would hate that job. Reads to me ( I may be way off ) you get to know and work at keeping ppl happy as you bleed as much as you can from them.
Bobbing along and getting paid for it.
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Watching this documentary on Film 4 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181288/, fecking hilariousProfit before people.
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Originally posted by eamonhonda View PostWe must play open face again or settle up, I believe theres a new pinapple version or something, have fallen behind.Originally posted by Sickpuppy View PostBit like working in a casino i guess.
Even if many of the staff in certain places look like there their? dog died that morning.Originally posted by Sickpuppy View PostDid you ever have the job as a fishing guide ghillie?
Bobbing along and getting paid for it.Originally posted by The Situation View PostWatching this documentary on Film 4 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181288/, fecking hilariousX can be anything, any number, that is what’s CRAZY about X.
Because X doesn’t roll like that, because X can’t be pinned down!
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Originally posted by Sickpuppy View PostDid you ever have the job as a fishing guide ghillie?
Bobbing along and getting paid for it.
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Originally posted by TheImprover View PostI know that, I get your humour but some are just up there own holes, well they come across that way anyway, right defo good night this time, and leave my words alone
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Originally posted by Tar.Aldarion View Posthttp://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-30526016.html
I've met this one (she was quite slow logically at the time and I was practically facepalming in front of her)
I'm sorry but when someone is on your side of the debate you don't insult their intelligence by coming out with that bullshit rhetoric.
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostGascoigne has really been through the mill to look like that at 47. Suppose the pics caught him after a big binge so he isn't going to be looking his best, but still...
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostBus to Stranraer, ferry, then on to Donegal? Ouch!
Almost at cairnryan now, the two ferry companies moved there. Six miles less of a journey. Been up since before 6, no one has eaten or drank a thing. Can't wait to get on the boat now for breakfast.
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Poor Raoul doesn't get much use out of those eek smilies anymore.Last edited by Denny Crane; 22-08-14, 08:40.
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Originally posted by GimmeabreakI love it when HH and RDIII go for each other.
If this is the standard of academic 'debate' he aspires to, it's hardly surprising he's not successful in any of these myriad job applications he's forever making.Last edited by Raoul Duke III; 22-08-14, 08:36."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostAh now, lets not regress to stupidity. You know that didn't happen. Their parent group had to be bailed out though. The bailouts of Irish banks being awkwardly the reason why you pushed poor Kev in his crumbling housing estate to invest his savings in a safe overseas bank that, err, needed to be bailed out.
You said they went 'bankrupt'. That didn't happen. But you deflected attention away from your ridiculous argument on the IRA, so well played I suppose. Keep it up."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostIf a bank is unable to survive without emergency gov funding its essentially bankrupt. It was awkward though to have the misfortune to pick as safe one of the small percentage of overseas banks at that time that needed to be bailed out ala Irish banks.
Nice use of the word 'essentially' btw, I was expecting 'technically'."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostThat's pretty much what everyone else has been saying too.
He aided and abetted the two biggest crooks to hold political office in this country
Probably didn't have great political instincts.Is that how you crash a wedding? yes it is, Bionic Barry, yes it is.
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Postyeah the job hunt is a bit tough, essentially I'm applying a year too early for the types of jobs I want. No harm testing the water though as should give a good bit of practice come next May..
No harm in dreams I suppose."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Zod View Postah, I'm not particularly original in my opinions of him
Most of that was pre 1992 (with some of it post 1994).
He certainly wasn't the most cunning, the most devious of them all but They may not have been terrible either."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostHave a read of that FO'T article and let us know what you think.
Would be very interesting to know what Fintan isn't putting in that article also, and for what reasons.Is that how you crash a wedding? yes it is, Bionic Barry, yes it is.
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Originally posted by gorrrr72 View PostSurely if a man is pro-choice they don't need to be told to "know your place". They are already trying to support women who are in an absolutely horrible position. How can a man be supportive to his partner if they are being influenced by a women with the attitude that your man should "know his place". It's like she doesn't want the support and is playing the womb card because of her own experiences.
I'm sorry but when someone is on your side of the debate you don't insult their intelligence by coming out with that bullshit rhetoric.
The worst part about this particular incident is that nobody is talking about repealing the 8th Amendment anymore. The whole media conversation has been driven away from issues of bodily control and straight back to the standard position of "Those pro-choice nutballs are as bad as the pro-lifers LOL". I had real hope for some genuine progress until this moment.
I'm seriously convinced at this point that feminism's greatest enemy is women."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Hitch as you well know in these BBV slagging fests, "If you're explaining your losing". Just go on the attack as usual. Point to the big impact you've had on reducing PTSBs losses for example...‘IF YOU had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” Genghis Khan
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Originally posted by V for Vendetta View PostHitch as you well know in these BBV slagging fests, "If you're explaining your losing". Just go on the attack as usual. Point to the big impact you've had on reducing PTSBs losses for example...
I had a good day's worth of taunting Hitch to look forward to there."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View PostThat's just the tip of the iceberg. Feminism is supposed to be an equality movement, but these people genuinely believe that a man's place in it is only to act as a cheerleader. that is should be driven entirely by women. So what you've got is an equality movement that is actively discouraging an entire class of people from participating.
The worst part about this particular incident is that nobody is talking about repealing the 8th Amendment anymore. The whole media conversation has been driven away from issues of bodily control and straight back to the standard position of "Those pro-choice nutballs are as bad as the pro-lifers LOL". I had real hope for some genuine progress until this moment.
I'm seriously convinced at this point that feminism's greatest enemy is women.
Actually, you're missing the point, to a certain degree.
"know your place" doesn't mean "just be a cheerleader". It's more to do with using your platform as a man to promote women's voices (particularly in the case of the pro-choice movement) not to talk over them, or try to convince them of the illigitimacy of their experiences based on a study you sort of read a while ago that doesn't agree with their views.
It's not about being silent, nor is it about being second class in the movement, it's about acknowledging that their experiences will never be our experiences and their voices should be heard above ours. We as men will never have an issue having our opinions considered. Women, not so much.
the only reason that this is unfortunately becoming the main talking point is that people are not ready to ask themselves why they are uncomfortable with the notion of an angry black woman displaying her anger.
Some men in the movement are taking offence because they are looking for credit for being so "right on", yet don't realise when they are perpetuating the conditions that women feel oppressed by.
Doing a course in womens studies will not give you the experience of being a woman.
edited to add: Lets not forget the role Youth Defence and other assorted racists have in stirring the pot on this.Last edited by Zod; 22-08-14, 09:57.Is that how you crash a wedding? yes it is, Bionic Barry, yes it is.
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