Registration Fee Excessive

[BigBadPat]

When is a Registration Fee considered Excessive ??

ClubPoker at the Penhouse Casino (Swords) has started to run a regular Thursday game that costs €50 cosnsisting of €30 Prize Pool + €10 scalp + €10 Reg fee.
I consider the €10 Reg fee is excessive as it is 30% / 25% / 20% of the prize pool depending on how you look at it.

Do you consider this Reg fee excessive ?

[Wesley Harms]

Whichever way you look at it the reg there is 20% and is almost standard these days for smaller games

[Strewelpeter]

Whichever way you look at it the reg there is 20% and is almost standard these days for smaller games

There is no way of looking at it that makes it 20%.
There is 40 going into payout pool and the fee is 10 so it is 25%.

As regards the cost its up to people whether they want to pay that price, they won't beat the game but a tenner is a reasonably cheap evenings entertainment.

[PokerPiper]

Pretty much standard for a €50 game. Costs are pretty much the same if the game is €50/€100/€150. Most people playing a €50 wouldn't even consider the reg as a % of buy-in. Can't imagine they're making a profit even at this level and are prob relying on cash table rake as players bust.

[Flushdraw]

There is no way of looking at it that makes it 20%.
There is 40 going into payout pool and the fee is 10 so it is 25%.

As regards the cost its up to people whether they want to pay that price, they won't beat the game but a tenner is a reasonably cheap evenings entertainment.

lol of course there is a way of looking at it that makes it 20%!

You pay €50 and €10 goes to reg, so 80% of your payment is going to the prizepool so 20% of your payment is going towards the reg fee.

[Guest]

Pretty much standard for a €50 game. Costs are pretty much the same if the game is €50/€100/€150. Most people playing a €50 wouldn't even consider the reg as a % of buy-in. Can't imagine they're making a profit even at this level and are prob relying on cash table rake as players bust.

Dont think 20%reg should ever be standard for a 50 quid game.
If they cant make profits from a cash game or table games etc tough shit.

I play in the fitz 99% of the time and at the end of month you pay 20euro entitlling you to get a roast dinner and a couple of yum desserts now thats value.

I understand smaller operators cant give away as much value but frankly i dont care.

For big events like the 50k in Clane in mid november dont mind the 20%reg on 100 euro the tourney might go for a couple of days but for a small tournament think its too much.

Operators need to innovate or quit and i hate scalps complete waste of time only bloody dilute what is a small prizepool all ready.

[Strewelpeter]

lol of course there is a way of looking at it that makes it 20%!

You pay €50 and €10 goes to reg, so 80% of your payment is going to the prizepool so 20% of your payment is going towards the reg fee.

I should have said no correct way

[PokerPiper]

I should have said no correct way

I guess it depends on whether you're a Margin or Markup kinda guy :-)

[westlife]

What Strew says................
€10 for a nights entertainment. Game of snooker for 4 hours would cost you double!

[Sirtoyou]

The reg on these trending €1k games that are 30 minute clock, 900+100 one day games seems excessive to me.

[Jim11]

That's were the % is wrong running a game with a 30k stack one day with a €15 reg.

[Megatron]

Personally I don't think operators are charging enough reg these days.

[BigBadPat]

Thanks for contributions todate.........My 2 cents worth

I play a number of games organised outside casinos where the reg fee is normally greater than 10%. A number of times there may be additional expenses for accommodation etc.

I feel that the reg fee in a casino (such as Fitz, SE, Penthouse etc.) for a regular weekly game should not be more than 10% as the Casino should be happy to get you in the door where you might spend more money on their other table games.

I played this game last Thursday - on Halloween night - and was happy to pay a higher reg fee for a game on a special occasion.
In future I will not normally play the Penthouse Thursday game.

[kakak1]

I think it's wrong to look at a %.

It is also wrong for anyone to be quoting The Fitz as an example when really the Fitz is the exception.

Every poker club, and many clubs are only poker clubs and don't have Roulette or Blackjack, have expenses to meet, Light, Heat, Rent, rates not to mention wages. Free Tea & Coffee & biscuits. It would not realistically pay them to be running any game for less than a €10 reg. A lot of country clubs for example might only have 2 tables or less. Some country clubs would rarely get a cash table going and many parts of the country are suffering far more than Dublin economically so keeping the doors open is an effort.

As previously mentioned by another poster a €10 for a nights entertainment is great value.

Poker players amaze me, the greatest cribbers on this earth and cheapskates to boot. If you don't like it don't pay it & stay at home by the fire.

[72over]

Always thought it was a weird thing that we get charged a certain % of the buy-in to run a game. Would think they should charge an amount based on costs and looking to make a fair profit. Profit should be dependent on the quality of service to the players.

It's worse online where there is no extra work in organising bigger buy-ins(no dealers, no venue etc) but it's justifiable because it's always been done as a % of the buy-in. I won't start on that pointless rant.

Re OP: €10 is probably more than fair for the service being provided.

[Guest]

I think it's wrong to look at a %.

It is also wrong for anyone to be quoting The Fitz as an example when really the Fitz is the exception.

Every poker club, and many clubs are only poker clubs and don't have Roulette or Blackjack, have expenses to meet, Light, Heat, Rent, rates not to mention wages. Free Tea & Coffee & biscuits. It would not realistically pay them to be running any game for less than a €10 reg. A lot of country clubs for example might only have 2 tables or less. Some country clubs would rarely get a cash table going and many parts of the country are suffering far more than Dublin economically so keeping the doors open is an effort.

As previously mentioned by another poster a €10 for a nights entertainment is great value.

Poker players amaze me, the greatest cribbers on this earth and cheapskates to boot. If you don't like it don't pay it & stay at home by the fire.

Operators would love for players to have ignorance levels of the celtic tiger era.

Many lads didnt even know pots were raked and some operators were pillaging prize pools for over 50%of the prizepool.Some still operate today.

The free coffee tea and biscuits must be the straw that broke the camels back how many biscuits can one man eat?
I understand that small operators find it tough thats business.

Ask any small grocer butcher in a small town how they compete with Lidl Tesco etc some go outta business some dont.

If poker players are such cribbers and cheapskates i dont know how clubs can find dealers and waitresses at all.
The celtic tigers gone and players want value for money simple as that.

The fitz are no angels either i could play for 10 hours at a poker table punt the wheel and they still charge me 2 euro for a toasted sandwich plus id always give a tip.
The coffee is muck too.


The margins between being a winning player and losing one are small and a hi reg would definitely contribute to becoming a losing one.

If i had a poker club i could think of many things to get it going.
Lower rake -rake free for the first hour topless dealers

Every business has expenses and if the only way to make profits is to keep jacking up the reg fee its a business model thats doomed.

Im playing live 9 years and find your branding of all poker players wrong as cheapskates and cribbers.

Ask anyone who was dealing 6 7 years ago and they were cleaning up with tips they were spoilt.
Gettting raked a 10r an hour at a1 2 game with low stacks and tips players have costs too how does one beat the game?

[pokerhand]

Speaking of reg fees... Can someone remind me why the reg fee for the irish open is double that of the IWF when it is estentially the the same competitional structure? I know there is live stream at IO that is not at IWF but it can't be solely that?

Reg fees of IO: 250
Reg fees of IWF: 125

[thedini]

Speaking of reg fees... Can someone remind me why the reg fee for the irish open is double that of the IWF when it is estentially the the same competitional structure? I know there is live stream at IO that is not at IWF but it can't be solely that?

Reg fees of IO: 250
Reg fees of IWF: 125

Eh? double the buy-in.

[Donk Magnet]

Eh? double the buy-in.

Same expenses though.

[thedini]

Same expenses though.

Wouldn't believe this for a second.

[pokerhand]

Eh? double the buy-in.

What the relevence of that? The buyin doesn't determine the costs involved

[thedini]

What the relevence of that? The buyin doesn't determine the costs involved

You're right, my bad.

[Dice75]

Is it Groundhog Day in here?

[kakak1]

Operators would love for players to have ignorance levels of the celtic tiger era.

Many lads didnt even know pots were raked and some operators were pillaging prize pools for over 50%of the prizepool.Some still operate today.

The free coffee tea and biscuits must be the straw that broke the camels back how many biscuits can one man eat?
I understand that small operators find it tough thats business.

Ask any small grocer butcher in a small town how they compete with Lidl Tesco etc some go outta business some dont.

If poker players are such cribbers and cheapskates i dont know how clubs can find dealers and waitresses at all.
The celtic tigers gone and players want value for money simple as that.

The fitz are no angels either i could play for 10 hours at a poker table punt the wheel and they still charge me 2 euro for a toasted sandwich plus id always give a tip.
The coffee is muck too.


The margins between being a winning player and losing one are small and a hi reg would definitely contribute to becoming a losing one.

If i had a poker club i could think of many things to get it going.
Lower rake -rake free for the first hour topless dealers

Every business has expenses and if the only way to make profits is to keep jacking up the reg fee its a business model thats doomed.

Im playing live 9 years and find your branding of all poker players wrong as cheapskates and cribbers.

Ask anyone who was dealing 6 7 years ago and they were cleaning up with tips they were spoilt.
Gettting raked a 10r an hour at a1 2 game with low stacks and tips players have costs too how does one beat the game?

you really haven't addressed what i was saying and you have gone into almost everything except TOURNAMENT REG FEES.

Do you really think any club should be charging less than a €10 for a nights entertainment. Forget about rakes etc because as mentioned many clubs find it difficult to even get cash tables running.

Also there are a large number of Tournament only players who never play cash, what do they contribute to the overheads of running a club.

There are also a number of recreational players who are not trying to beat the game but playing for the enjoyment of it and a win is a huge bonus to them.

[Guest]

you really haven't addressed what i was saying and you have gone into almost everything except TOURNAMENT REG FEES.

Do you really think any club should be charging less than a €10 for a nights entertainment. Forget about rakes etc because as mentioned many clubs find it difficult to even get cash tables running.

Also there are a large number of Tournament only players who never play cash, what do they contribute to the overheads of running a club.

There are also a number of recreational players who are not trying to beat the game but playing for the enjoyment of it and a win is a huge bonus to them.

Poker tournaments can be like hookers can be all over after 10mins or you may last longer.
Charge what ya want.

[kakak1]

Poker tournaments can be like hookers can be all over after 10mins or you may last longer.
Charge what ya want.

you'll pay the same price