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**dobby** · 07-10-13, 12:00

Originally posted by aidankk View Post

Just a quick opinion on a Ethics question at a Tourney this weekend.

Down to last 5 in a CPT tourney in kk.

Just to set it up, the other player is a known shall we say Vocal player (hence Tipp Phil). We have a small bit of history, in that in a previous tourney i gave him a small lesson, which didnt go down well, and he called clock on me earlier in this tourney despite me being a generally quick player. He also slagged my play and accent

(Bog Kilkenny), not that id mind as i only play for fun, and this guy makes it fun to play these CPT events as it takes all sorts.

Anyway with maybe 5-6 left in the tourney, i raised in the cuttoff i think, and he called in the BB.. Flop comes 934 and i forgot i was in position and checked (my plan would be to raise his enivatible bet with my hand 88). As soon as i checked he started calling over the director and mentioned that this could be an angle (it Wasn't), anyway after a bit of complaining he put out a large bet, which i pretty obviously responded to with an immediate all-in (i had him covered), and lets just say all hell broke loose. He actually complained more than anything ive seen live and on tv, saying my Etiquette was shocking etc, and he had been treated badly by the officials.

I have to admit i had to struggle to keep from laughing, and he was obviously never calling, so it was a nice show to watch..

Anyway i dont think i did anything wrong here, he could easily have checked if he wanted to and when he bet there isnt anything else i can do with my hand.. Id be interested to see if anyone agrees with him in this case.

I dont have any complaints against him, as he is a decent player near the top of the CPT leaderboard and as i said earlier is a bit of a laugh to play against.

PS reason for "Tipp Phil" " if it wasnt for luck id win every time"

.. or saying thanks about 20 times after he called my small bet and won with 3rd pair to my 4th pair. Or commenting on how great i played when i shipped on him and he had to fold some random hand

..

Guy sounds like a bit of a dick tbh. I'm not sure about the ruling as I am no expert but once you act out of turn you should only be allowed to call or fold, not raise so I can see his gripe from that side. That may not be the rule, it is just my opinion.

But like I said he sounds like a dick so fcuk him.

**Denny Crane** · 07-10-13, 12:24

You shouldn't have been allowed raise after acting out of turn.

**westlife** · 07-10-13, 12:26

Originally posted by aidankk View Post

Just a quick opinion on a Ethics question at a Tourney this weekend.

Down to last 5 in a CPT tourney in kk.

Just to set it up, the other player is a known shall we say Vocal player (hence Tipp Phil). We have a small bit of history, in that in a previous tourney i gave him a small lesson, which didnt go down well, and he called clock on me earlier in this tourney despite me being a generally quick player. He also slagged my play and accent

(Bog Kilkenny), not that id mind as i only play for fun, and this guy makes it fun to play these CPT events as it takes all sorts.

Anyway with maybe 5-6 left in the tourney, i raised in the cuttoff i think, and he called in the BB.. Flop comes 934 and i forgot i was in position and checked (my plan would be to raise his enivatible bet with my hand 88). As soon as i checked he started calling over the director and mentioned that this could be an angle (it Wasn't), anyway after a bit of complaining he put out a large bet, which i pretty obviously responded to with an immediate all-in (i had him covered), and lets just say all hell broke loose. He actually complained more than anything ive seen live and on tv, saying my Etiquette was shocking etc, and he had been treated badly by the officials.

I have to admit i had to struggle to keep from laughing, and he was obviously never calling, so it was a nice show to watch..

Anyway i dont think i did anything wrong here, he could easily have checked if he wanted to and when he bet there isnt anything else i can do with my hand.. Id be interested to see if anyone agrees with him in this case.

I dont have any complaints against him, as he is a decent player near the top of the CPT leaderboard and as i said earlier is a bit of a laugh to play against.

PS reason for "Tipp Phil" " if it wasnt for luck id win every time"

.. or saying thanks about 20 times after he called my small bet and won with 3rd pair to my 4th pair. Or commenting on how great i played when i shipped on him and he had to fold some random hand

..

Most events would only let you call his bet if you acted out of turn..... You say your intention wasn't an angle shoot........ but from an outsiders view it was! I'm not saying that you did not innocently make a mistake and check out of turn....... but the out of turn check..bet... and all in looks like an angle shoot!! That's why the act out of turn rule of call only is in place... I think

But wait for it... you will have an expert to respond to this in a righteous and condescending manner!!

**Donk Magnet** · 07-10-13, 12:37

Originally posted by Denny Crane View Post

You shouldn't have been allowed raise after acting out of turn.

Why not? The action has changed if the other guy checks his action stands.
He now has all options open to him.

**aidankk** · 07-10-13, 12:43

S**te, well at least i lost a 75/25 for 75% of the chips in play not so long after as i wouldn't be happy if a dodgy ruling helped me on my way... If i had known that rule or been made aware of it id have no problem calling, and shipping the turn..

**Celtic Poker** · 07-10-13, 12:51

I was present 4 the complete hand and was confidant it wasnt an angle shoot by the way the hand played out ... If i had not seen the hand playing out i would have asked the dealer... SO BEFORE ANY MORE ACTION TOOK PLACE I ANNOUNCED THIS SEVERAL TIMES...If i thought it was an angle shoot i would have said what would take place should the bb raise.....The action comes back 2 the bb he anounces raise .... NOW THE ACTION HAS CHANGED SO RULE 35 TDA 2011 BETTING OUT OF TURN COMES INTO PLAY ... Thanks 4 your comments west life

**westlife** · 07-10-13, 12:56

Originally posted by Celtic Poker View Post

I was present 4 the complete hand and was confidant it wasnt an angle shoot by the way the hand played out ... If i had not seen the hand playing out i would have asked the dealer... SO BEFORE ANY MORE ACTION TOOK PLACE I ANNOUNCED THIS SEVERAL TIMES...If i thought it was an angle shoot i would have said what would take place should the bb raise.....The action comes back 2 the bb he anounces raise .... NOW THE ACTION HAS CHANGED SO RULE 35 TDA 2011 BETTING OUT OF TURN COMES INTO PLAY ... Thanks 4 your comments west life

Not you, ya tick!!

**westlife** · 07-10-13, 12:58

Originally posted by Celtic Poker View Post

I was present 4 the complete hand and was confidant it wasnt an angle shoot by the way the hand played out ... If i had not seen the hand playing out i would have asked the dealer... SO BEFORE ANY MORE ACTION TOOK PLACE I ANNOUNCED THIS SEVERAL TIMES...If i thought it was an angle shoot i would have said what would take place should the bb raise.....The action comes back 2 the bb he anounces raise .... NOW THE ACTION HAS CHANGED SO RULE 35 TDA 2011 BETTING OUT OF TURN COMES INTO PLAY ... Thanks 4 your comments west life

It was a bet, not a raise, he should have got a penalty for a misdeclaration ...... This thread is out of control!

**aidankk** · 07-10-13, 13:07

Originally posted by Celtic Poker View Post

I was present 4 the complete hand and was confidant it wasnt an angle shoot by the way the hand played out ... If i had not seen the hand playing out i would have asked the dealer... SO BEFORE ANY MORE ACTION TOOK PLACE I ANNOUNCED THIS SEVERAL TIMES...If i thought it was an angle shoot i would have said what would take place should the bb raise.....The action comes back 2 the bb he anounces raise .... NOW THE ACTION HAS CHANGED SO RULE 35 TDA 2011 BETTING OUT OF TURN COMES INTO PLAY ... Thanks 4 your comments west life

Thats great, my gut said there wouldn't be anything wrong with it, but i dont play enough to be sure ..

Great event by the way, and hopefully the kk on continues, its grand not to have to drive around for a decent game..

PS thats 2 lessons i've thought Tipp Phil, and hopefully ill get the chance for the hat trick

..

**Micknail** · 07-10-13, 13:28

He sounds like a right Pikey!

**ViperEyeIRL** · 07-10-13, 13:36

raising 88 on that flop is not a good idea

**ACE REPORTER** · 07-10-13, 13:48

Originally posted by Micknail View Post

He sounds like a right Pikey!

Is Phil Baker from Tipp?

**Micknail** · 07-10-13, 13:50

Originally posted by ACE REPORTER View Post

Is Phil Baker from Tipp?

If Dublin wants to claim him they can have him?!

**westlife** · 07-10-13, 15:47

Originally posted by ACE REPORTER View Post

Is Phil Baker from Tipp?

I wouldn't have called the floor.... My modus operandi is to drag them across the floor and eject them through a door...... did you not hear?

**underachievement** · 07-10-13, 15:58

Originally posted by aidankk View Post

Just a quick opinion on a Ethics question at a Tourney this weekend.

Down to last 5 in a CPT tourney in kk.

Just to set it up, the other player is a known shall we say Vocal player (hence Tipp Phil). We have a small bit of history, in that in a previous tourney i gave him a small lesson, which didnt go down well, and he called clock on me earlier in this tourney despite me being a generally quick player. He also slagged my play and accent

(Bog Kilkenny), not that id mind as i only play for fun, and this guy makes it fun to play these CPT events as it takes all sorts.
Anyway with maybe 5-6 left in the tourney, i raised in the cuttoff i think, and he called in the BB.. Flop comes 934 and i forgot i was in position and checked (my plan would be to raise his enivatible bet with my hand 88). As soon as i checked he started calling over the director and mentioned that this could be an angle (it Wasn't), anyway after a bit of complaining he put out a large bet, which i pretty obviously responded to with an immediate all-in (i had him covered), and lets just say all hell broke loose. He actually complained more than anything ive seen live and on tv, saying my Etiquette was shocking etc, and he had been treated badly by the officials.

I have to admit i had to struggle to keep from laughing, and he was obviously never calling, so it was a nice show to watch..

Anyway i dont think i did anything wrong here, he could easily have checked if he wanted to and when he bet there isnt anything else i can do with my hand.. Id be interested to see if anyone agrees with him in this case.

I dont have any complaints against him, as he is a decent player near the top of the CPT leaderboard and as i said earlier is a bit of a laugh to play against.

PS reason for "Tipp Phil" " if it wasnt for luck id win every time"

.. or saying thanks about 20 times after he called my small bet and won with 3rd pair to my 4th pair. Or commenting on how great i played when i shipped on him and he had to fold some random hand

..

only part you've got wrong imo

**terryl** · 07-10-13, 16:33

poor chris.......

**kaiser soze** · 07-10-13, 16:34

Originally posted by westlife View Post

I wouldn't have called the floor.... My modus operandi is to drag them across the floor and eject them through a door...... did you not hear?

yeah we did hear.

**steve** · 07-10-13, 17:07

delighted, you couldn't have got one over a nicer fella.

**westlife** · 07-10-13, 17:42

Originally posted by kaiser soze View Post

yeah we did hear.

FU Baz

**carlinrose** · 07-10-13, 19:41

Stupid boy.

**carlinrose** · 07-10-13, 20:37

TDA Poker Rules 2013

38: Action Out of Turn (OOT)
A: Action out of turn is subject to penalty and is
binding if the action to the OOT player has not
changed. A check, call or fold does not change
action. If action changes, the OOT bet is not
binding and is returned to the OOT player who
has all options including: calling, raising, or
folding. An OOT fold is binding.

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