Bad beat/Moan/Venting Thread - BBV Archive 3

[Keane]

You're not done yet boy, black no sugar, stat!

racist

[DeadParrot]

Does that 2nd Gosling one not look fake to anyone else? Exact same posture and looks a similar distance to the car... very odd

[mdoug]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk

I'm very slow

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

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[Frossach]

Meters removed by Irish Water after three week stand-off in housing estate.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/meters-removed-by-irish-water-after-three-week-standoff-in-housing-estate-30274126.html

this should happen more here

[Emmet]

Meters removed by Irish Water after three week stand-off in housing estate.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/meters-removed-by-irish-water-after-three-week-standoff-in-housing-estate-30274126.html

this should happen more here

very confusing

Mother of two, Suzanne O'Flynn, lives just metres from the protests.

“I have no problem with a flat water charge because I think that is fair. I have no problem with a normal water meter. But I do not want a smart meter outside my home,” she said.

Is metering not the very fairest way of charging people for water?

(I have almost no idea what's going on re water charges)

[Theresa]

'Fair' is obviously a subjective term.

[mdoug]

No Tevas and no Nasri in the world cup

[ArmaniJeans]

No Tevas and no Nasri in the world cup

Tevez hasn't been selected for them in about 2 years and had said something in January about refusing a call up if it came.
Nasri is a cunt of the highest order, probably good for morale that he is not there.

[Strewelpeter]

'Fair' is obviously a subjective term.

Especially if you are a complete moron

It remains unclear whether the removal of the meters represents a landmark in the campaign of opposition to water charges and the disputed installation of water meters.

There is no way that Irish Water are backing down at all here, there must be something more to it, if they are giving up in the face of protests from fools like that they may as well give up right now.

[Starvin Marvin]

The missus had a Legal Studies exam this morning in her Applied Social Studies course and is panicking over one of the questions.

"Explain the significance of Article 29 of the Irish Constitution in the context of Irish family law"

Anyone any idea?

[pokerhand]

Tevez hasn't been selected for them in about 2 years and had said something in January about refusing a call up if it came.
Nasri is a cunt of the highest order, probably good for morale that he is not there.

What are you basing that on? He has been brilliant for City this year after a poor 2012/2013 champain.

Edit: I mean I know he has issues in the past but surely based on his form he should go...

[Theresa]

Especially if you are a complete moron .

Completely.

[Theresa]

Anyone see this yesterday?

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/giro-selfie-apology-1463701-May2014/

[Jibzzzz]

Dont think he gets along with a lot of the players in the squad.
His missus went a bit mad on twitter the physcho. "Fuck the French and fuck dechamps" or somthing like that. Picked her up a few thousand followers anyway.

[ArmaniJeans]

What are you basing that on? He has been brilliant for City this year after a poor 2012/2013 campaign.

Edit: I mean I know he has issues in the past but surely based on his form he should go...

I'm usually one for finding a way of fitting in your best players, but almost every one of the 'trouble in the French camp' stories over the last 6 years have involved Nasri in some way. Admittedly he wasn't in South Africa and they still found a way of being a shambles.

[Keane]

Nice! Do you have a plan?

Yeah I'm going back to Intel, in Leixlip this time though instead of Shannon so will be staying put in Dublin thankfully.

Just the old 50% pay increase

[Flushdraw]

Dont think he gets along with a lot of the players in the squad.
His missus went a bit mad on twitter the physcho. "Fuck the French and fuck dechamps" or somthing like that. Picked her up a few thousand followers anyway.

Yeah, she got a ton of shit for it too and was called every whore name under the sun! Here's what she said.

SPOILER

On the plus side for Nasri, he gets to spent the summer tucked up in bed with her!

SPOILER

[tipp86]

The missus had a Legal Studies exam this morning in her Applied Social Studies course and is panicking over one of the questions.

"Explain the significance of Article 29 of the Irish Constitution in the context of Irish family law"

Anyone any idea?

Dont panic is all I can say. There is no point in the world worrying about an exam that is out of the way.

The only way I would go looking into something is if I felt there was a mistake of some sort in the paper.

[DeadParrot]

SPOILER

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[Kayroo]

The missus had a Legal Studies exam this morning in her Applied Social Studies course and is panicking over one of the questions.

"Explain the significance of Article 29 of the Irish Constitution in the context of Irish family law"

Anyone any idea?

That may be one of the most ridiculous questions I have ever seen in a legal exam.

Basically it's asking how International conventions and treaties, which can be incorporated into Irish law under Art 29.6 at the discretion of the Oireachtas. An example of this would be the European Convention on Human Rights Act 2003 which incorporated the ECHR into Irish law and gave the Courts an obligation to take judicial cognisance of the decisions of the European Court of Human Rights as well as the convention itself in the context of any proceeding before it.

Articles 8 and 12 both directly impact on family law here but there are innumerable other examples where it comes in to play.

Beyond that any regulation or directive touching upon the area of family law that is passed by the EU will likely have direct effect here or require incorporation into Irish law. While I can't think of any examples off the top of my head I am sure there are a good many.

I recall a case I was involved in where the judge adjourned the matter to hear submissions on whether or not the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child was directly effective in Ireland given that the EU had ratified the Convention. The answer, of course, is no given that Ireland has a dualist legal system (something that is DIRECTLY governed by Art. 29) meaning that while the State may bind itself to any international treaty that does not mean the treaty is incorporated into Irish law.

For example if Ireland entered into a treaty with the UK recognising international travel rights between the two countries no citizen here could sue the state on foot of that treaty as it does not create any domestic justiciable rights.

I dunno if that's of any use to you at all but it might be a start

[Lord Sir Banter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL7jyXCQ2Zc#t=217

[Denny Crane]

Especially if you are a complete moron



There is no way that Irish Water are backing down at all here, there must be something more to it, if they are giving up in the face of protests from fools like that they may as well give up right now.

How do they plan to deal with people in apartments who refuse to pay? Whatever about individual houses I presume they've no means to interfere with water supply in shared buildings?

[Strewelpeter]

How do they plan to deal with people in apartments who refuse to pay? Whatever about individual houses I presume they've no means to interfere with water supply in shared buildings?

The intention is to have individual meters for every dwelling, the meter and stopcock may well be inside the building but it will be somewhere they can get access to.

[Denny Crane]

Not for existing buildings?

[DeadParrot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PTIV2GNF-g

How long before this being feted as a 'beat the bankers/fatcats/governments/immigrants/english/whatever' solution

[Jam-Fly]

http://www.joe.ie/football/world-cup-2014-brazil/tweet-of-the-day-sylvain-distin-takes-his-omission-from-the-french-world-cup-squad-like-a-boss/

jesus, I'm shocked Distin never got a cap for France. He was never a super star but I've always liked him and assumed he was a French squad player at some stage in the last 15 years.


Yeah Nasri on form def gets into French squad, but if the manager says he's too much of a cunt, you have to respect that. When you're leaving out one of your best players because he's too disruptive, he really must be bad, so I don't have any complaints with the decision.

[Raoul Duke III]

How do they plan to deal with people in apartments who refuse to pay? Whatever about individual houses I presume they've no means to interfere with water supply in shared buildings?

You would hope they would have the sense to set up the same mechanisms as the Revenue did for the LPT.

Don't\won't pay? Fine, we'll just garnish your wages or social security. Plus a fine for the inconvenience. Next!

[Denny Crane]

PAYE FTW!

[premierstone]

http://www.joe.ie/football/world-cup...d-like-a-boss/

jesus, I'm shocked Distin never got a cap for France. He was never a super star but I've always liked him and assumed he was a French squad player at some stage in the last 15 years.


Yeah Nasri on form def gets into French squad, but if the manager says he's too much of a cunt, you have to respect that. When you're leaving out one of your best players because he's too disruptive, he really must be bad, so I don't have any complaints with the decision.

Bit like when Mick told that other jumped up cnut to fuck off home

[bp_me]

PAYE FTW!

So tired of paying all that I earn though

[pokerhand]

http://www.joe.ie/football/world-cup...d-like-a-boss/

jesus, I'm shocked Distin never got a cap for France. He was never a super star but I've always liked him and assumed he was a French squad player at some stage in the last 15 years.


Yeah Nasri on form def gets into French squad, but if the manager says he's too much of a cunt, you have to respect that. When you're leaving out one of your best players because he's too disruptive, he really must be bad, so I don't have any complaints with the decision.

But is that actually true? Think he is pretty much the fall guy for everything which cant be fair. As AJ already pointed out he wasn't even involved in the South Africa saga.

I mean he caused no disruptions with City as far as I am aware. I think it is down to the manager to control the situation and if the manager is leaving him out because he can't control him properly then the manager is not doing his job properly.

[AndyFatBastard]

Alternative ending to this week's Game of Thrones:

SPOILER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvHK6blDJaQ

[SatNav]

Anyone here good with Linkedin?

I need to set an account up. Finding it hard so deleted the original one I had . I am having trouble wording stuff etc too. Anyone free tonight sometime that could buzz me and go through it with me start to finish ?

[MrsFlushdraw]

Anyone here good with Linkedin?

I need to set an account up. Finding it hard so deleted the original one I had . I am having trouble wording stuff etc too. Anyone free tonight sometime that could buzz me and go through it with me start to finish ?

Can you not upload your current CV? that takes care of so much

[SatNav]

Can you not upload your current CV? that takes care of so much

Its all the other stuff like background etc , wording sales, team leader type stuff. I need to have nice and professional looking. I am useless at wording stuff.
When I am in the humour I will take a closer look maybe.

[Percy007]

Could anyone do me a favour and ship a few Euro to a bank account in exchange for stars? Pm if able to help.

[ComradeCollie]

[LuckyLloyd]

Utterly humourless.

[LuckyLloyd]

Especially if you are a complete moron



There is no way that Irish Water are backing down at all here, there must be something more to it, if they are giving up in the face of protests from fools like that they may as well give up right now.

You would hope they would have the sense to set up the same mechanisms as the Revenue did for the LPT.

Don't\won't pay? Fine, we'll just garnish your wages or social security. Plus a fine for the inconvenience. Next!

I guess this proves the problem with protest politics. It makes the other end of the scale adopt a blind attitude to matters - i.e. all opposition to increased taxes, etc is 'retarded'. Complaining over the Property Tax was retarded as it was a historical absurdity that we didn't have it. But this water tax? Eh, don't think so.

[Strewelpeter]

I guess this proves the problem with protest politics. It makes the other end of the scale adopt a blind attitude to matters - i.e. all opposition to increased taxes, etc is 'retarded'. Complaining over the Property Tax was retarded as it was a historical absurdity that we didn't have it. But this water tax? Eh, don't think so.

Are you serious, Really?

I'd love to hear you make a case that stands up to preserve the status quo of - and I quote directly from the fools on this protest 'Free water' and a 'God given right' - that people are free to piss away into the ground through laziness carelessness and stupidity.

[Raoul Duke III]

Paging V for Vendetta

[RasTa]

Enough is enough!

Although property tax should cover bins

[Lazare]

I guess this proves the problem with protest politics. It makes the other end of the scale adopt a blind attitude to matters - i.e. all opposition to increased taxes, etc is 'retarded'. Complaining over the Property Tax was retarded as it was a historical absurdity that we didn't have it. But this water tax? Eh, don't think so.

We're being asked to spend less than €0.70 a day to have pure drinking water on tap.

It's a fucking shame to be Irish when you see people protest that.

Let the fuckers take a trip to Haiti with their bullshit protest.

Makes me sick.

I heard one such cretin on RTE shouting that it was her 'god given right' to water on tap.

Shameful.

Anyone that complains about having to pay such a tiny amount of money to have what a huge proportion of the world are literally dying to have needs to hang their head in utter shame.

[LuckyLloyd]

Are you serious, Really?

I'd love to hear you make a case that stands up to preserve the status quo of - and I quote directly from the fools on this protest 'Free water' and a 'God given right' - that people are free to piss away into the ground through laziness carelessness and stupidity.

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/gen_info/info_docs/tax_inventory/list_minor_taxes_en.pdf

Two countries in the EU have a tax on water consumption?

[Theresa]

NM.

RIP BCB.

[LuckyLloyd]

We're being asked to spend less than €0.70 a day to have pure drinking water on tap.

It's a fucking shame to be Irish when you see people protest that.

Let the fuckers take a trip to Haiti with their bullshit protest.

Makes me sick.

I heard one such cretin on RTE shouting that it was her 'god given right' to water on tap.

Shameful.

Anyone that complains about having to pay such a tiny amount of money to have what a huge proportion of the world are literally dying to have needs to hang their head in utter shame.

Don't think this is the kind of thing that makes me ashamed to be Irish at all, or makes me 'sick'. Kudos on the hyperbole though sir, kudos. I think a robust democracy where there is public protest is something to be proud of to be honest.

[Strewelpeter]

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs...r_taxes_en.pdf

Two countries in the EU have a tax on water consumption?

Not sure what the question is but yea, we will have the most advanced and fairest water charges in the developed world... that would be a good thing.
Consumption based charges that promotes conservation and has adequate allowances for vulnerable groups, what could possibly be wrong with that?

[SatNav]

We're being asked to spend less than €0.70 a day to have pure drinking water on tap.

It's a fucking shame to be Irish when you see people protest that.

Let the fuckers take a trip to Haiti with their bullshit protest.

Makes me sick.

I heard one such cretin on RTE shouting that it was her 'god given right' to water on tap.

Shameful.

Anyone that complains about having to pay such a tiny amount of money to have what a huge proportion of the world are literally dying to have needs to hang their head in utter shame.

Is the water going to better? like can I get rid of my water softener? or will it just be the same water I always had?

All them dopey hippy dippy types do my fucking head fighting over the meters , Do they actually think that they will never have a water meter. I Dont understand apes like that.

Remember when Colm was working for Roadbridge and the gas pipe thingys were being worked on in Mayo , I think. he said the fucking hassle they caused was unreal. and all the same types of people. hippy dippy types as I call them with fuck all else to do.

I dont particually like having to pay for my water but if it has to be done, Ill pay for it, its not a massive yearly amount.

[shrapnel]

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs...r_taxes_en.pdf

Two countries in the EU have a tax on water consumption?

ireland are making a hash of this...again. don't bother calling a water tax a water tax. Put in a council tax 50 times higher and call it just that (and increase it when necessary), why bother spending millions on meters etc.

[LuckyLloyd]

Not sure what the question is but yea, we will have the most advanced and fairest water charges in the developed world... that would be a good thing.
Consumption based charges that promotes conservation and has adequate allowances for vulnerable groups, what could possibly be wrong with that?

Because the quality of water service in the state has been sub par for some time due to incompetence on behalf of the service owners and there is little precedent for the charge in the EU. Because measures to promote consumption could be introduced without levying a tax (if water conservation was the real motivation). Because in terms of principle, this is the wrong type of tax to levy. Despite allowances and scaling relative to consumption, it will still have the essential characteristics of a regressive tax.

[Strewelpeter]

ireland are making a hash of this...again. don't bother calling a water tax a water tax. Put in a council tax 50 times higher and call it just that (and increase it when necessary), why bother spending millions on meters etc.

Because people will not conserve water unless they are charged for it by the litre. Simple

Waste will soon be charged for by weight

Why would you want a flat council charge that overcharges for a mix of services that are not communal and that you don't use all of?

[Lazare]

Don't think this is the kind of thing that makes me ashamed to be Irish at all, or makes me 'sick'. Kudos on the hyperbole though sir, kudos. I think a robust democracy where there is public protest is something to be proud of to be honest.

Protest is fine, and is certainly something to be proud of.

This particular protest is not. It's shameful.

Are you proud of my protest of the protest? Given you know, that it's the act of protest itself that's honourable.

[Pat Mustard]

Had to turn off the commentary for the Europa Final on TV3.... Just unbearable.

[LuckyLloyd]

Protest is fine, and is certainly something to be proud of.

This particular protest is not. It's shameful.

Are you proud of my protest of the protest? Given you know, that it's the act of protest itself that's honourable.

'Shameful'?

As for the last sentence, I already indicated that I felt the property tax hand wringing was silly and have been a vocal opponent of some of the Public Sector griping over the past half decade. None of it is 'shameful' or 'sickening' or stuff that reduces my pride at being Irish, etc. You seem highly perturbed over this, irked even.

[Strewelpeter]

Despite allowances and scaling relative to consumption, it will still have the essential characteristics of a regressive tax.

You'll have to explain the logic you are using to come to that conclusion to me.
I don't really understand how a concept like regressive tax applies to consumer services like water.
So what you want is to have people who are earning more pay more for their water... would do the same for Petrol and food?

And try to bear in mind that just because we have always done something is not an argument for continuing to if its a stupid thing to do.

[shrapnel]

Because people will not conserve water unless they are charged for it by the litre. Simple

Waste will soon be charged for by weight

Why would you want a flat council charge that overcharges for a mix of services that are not communal and that you don't use all of?

i never thought that water was such a scarce resource here? there is no doubt people abuse it but why put a name on a tax such as this when you can just charge it on a median basis?

waste is already charged by weight

a flat council charge does not attract controversy and can easily be adjusted for various new taxes, except when initially implemented. i agree though that council taxes make sense in towns/cities, less so in rural areas.

[LuckyLloyd]

You'll have to explain the logic you are using to come to that conclusion to me.
I don't really understand how a concept like regressive tax applies to consumer services like water.
So what you want is to have people who are earning more pay more for their water... would do the same for Petrol and food?

And try to bear in mind that just because we have always done something is not an argument for continuing to if its a stupid thing to do.

Taxation based on everyday essentials like food (e.g. sales tax, salt tax), clothing (value added tax), transport (fuel tax), energy (carbon tax) and housing (council tax, window tax) are frequently regressive. The income elasticity of demand of food for example is usually less than 1 (inelastic) (see Engel's law) and therefore as a household's income rises, even significantly, the tax collected remains almost the same. So as a proportion of available expenditure the tax burden falls far more heavily on households with lower incomes.

[Lazare]

'Shameful'?

As for the last sentence, I already indicated that I felt the property tax hand wringing was silly and have been a vocal opponent of some of the Public Sector griping over the past half decade. None of it is 'shameful' or 'sickening' or stuff that reduces my pride at being Irish, etc. You seem highly perturbed over this, irked even.

Well that's because I am irked and perturbed.

Lloyd, can you not find this protest even a little distasteful?

You can call it hyperbole or even cliche, but there are people, hundreds of millions of people who spend their entire waking lives just trying to figure out how to get water to keep their families alive, women who rise at 4am, walk until noon, then walk six hours back again every day just to keep their children alive.

People who expect 75% of their children to die due to lack of clean water.

We're being asked to pay seventy fucking cents a day to have that on tap, in our houses. It's an absolute shame for anybody to protest that.

[Wombatman]

Any working stiff who welcomes a tax is a complete dolt.