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People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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Go into a shop chancing arm and try to get a sum of money at current price of 33's for next days racing and the cashier follows correct procedure and rings it through to risk and they only offer SP. Obv don't take that but go to shop up the road and cashier doesn't follow procedure and takes bet.
If trader spots this can they change that bet to SP only or is it fair game once the cashier doesn't do their job right?Last edited by The Situation; 16-04-18, 20:32.Profit before people.
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Originally posted by The Situation View PostGo into a shop chancing arm and try to get a sum of money at current price of 33's for next days racing and the cashier follows correct procedure and rings it through to risk and they only offer SP. Obv don't take that but go to shop up the road and cashier doesn't follow procedure and takes bet.
If trader spots this can they change that bet to SP only or is it fair game once the cashier doesn't do their job right?
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Backed Ballyoptic and Why We Dream today. One beaten by a nostril, the other one by a head. At least I'm off for next week for Punchestown and things improve. Was told to back On to Victory in the next in Nottingham but honestly think if I backed in a one horse race at the moment itd get beat somehow.Last edited by Pat Mustard; 21-04-18, 17:26.Jayzus, Sheila! I forgot me feckin' trousers
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Originally posted by rounders123 View PostHad Al Boum Photo there to save the day ffs. What the absolute fcuk. Gas listening to Ted Walsh looking for reasons to excuse him. Someone must have caught his eye. Not a personn within 90yds of the final fence.
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That was mental, between the first two going down at the previous and whatever the fuck that was
However (massive poxy bastard after time alert)
SPOILERas an aside, was on the 2nd horse @50/1 ew & the 3rd horse ew
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Had 3rd horse in an ew double
Might be time to do the lotto
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Originally posted by Dice75 View PostUnlucky, only saw the replay. What was he doing? PP refunding as a free bet if you backed there, no max.
No afraid not pp. Had a falling out with Betfair about a bet, cancelled my acc and later discovered this also counted for pp!(seeing they are the same company now it transferred!. ffs!.
Edit: Also it was a match bet i had it in so money back only applies to singles.Last edited by rounders123; 24-04-18, 18:30.
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Originally posted by The Situation View PostStill head scratching. Those experienced jockeys are usually very skillful in the dark arts. Was so blatant you'd wonder what the hell went through his head.
I was right down at the last fence watching it and went away laughing as I'd done a €2 forecast Storyteller and Jury duty, only found out that Monbeg had run on to do me when I went to collect
Also describe to me what a scenario where Townsend would need desperately that horse not to win would look likeLast edited by Strewelpeter; 24-04-18, 19:56.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostOnly reasonable explanation I can come up with is that there was a genuine brainfart moment where he thought they were being told not to jump the last.
I was right down at the last fence watching it and went away laughing as I'd done a €2 forecast Storyteller and Jury duty, only found out that Monbeg had run on to do me when I went to collect
Also describe to me what a scenario where Townsend would need desperately that horse not to win would look likeProfit before people.
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostOnly reasonable explanation I can come up with is that there was a genuine brainfart moment where he thought they were being told not to jump the last.
I was right down at the last fence watching it and went away laughing as I'd done a €2 forecast Storyteller and Jury duty, only found out that Monbeg had run on to do me when I went to collect
Also describe to me what a scenario where Townsend would need desperately that horse not to win would look like
Eg if a person owed a debt to the dark side they might be asked to do X. It happens in all walks of life.
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Personally I think it was very suspect.
There have been three high profile incidents in the last 4/5 months that come to mind:
1) Faugheen at Christmas when he was pulled up at half way and was found to be post race normal. Then the trainer publically admitted that they couldn’t find anything wrong with him. After that race mainstream industry hacks actually questioned if he had been got it.
2) Yorkhill in Leop at Feb. He was trading a hard 6/4 shot before inexplicably going out to 5/1 on Betfair 2 mins before the Off. This just doesn’t happen, it’s absolutely unheard of. He ran a stinker.
3) That race today.
The common denominator is that they were ridden by the same man. I’m highly suspicious. Anyone who isn’t is too nieve for words.
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Originally posted by Arazi View PostPersonally I think it was very suspect.
There have been three high profile incidents in the last 4/5 months that come to mind:
1) Faugheen at Christmas when he was pulled up at half way and was found to be post race normal. Then the trainer publically admitted that they couldn’t find anything wrong with him. After that race mainstream industry hacks actually questioned if he had been got it.
2) Yorkhill in Leop at Feb. He was trading a hard 6/4 shot before inexplicably going out to 5/1 on Betfair 2 mins before the Off. This just doesn’t happen, it’s absolutely unheard of. He ran a stinker.
3) That race today.
The common denominator is that they were ridden by the same man. I’m highly suspicious. Anyone who isn’t is too nieve for words.
But, have to call bollox on that. you're more or less suggesting he Dermot Browned the first two and then pulls that kamikaze today.
It was a total brainfart, could have stemmed from a shout from the guy leaning on the gate between the hedges, but where the wing was set with the red flag, for whatever reason he thought he had to jump the right hand side of that wing, you can see him attempt to straighten of the horse after the severe swerve and then sees about 4 ft of fence there.
Someone commented its like driving a car thinking I've to turn off here suddenly at speed, taking the turn off and then going oh fuck wrong turn.Last edited by nicnicnic; 24-04-18, 22:50.
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In 2008 there was a race at Fairyhouse won by the 4/1 Favourite (had drifted from 5/2). He wasn’t supposed to win but he wasn’t ridden by his regular jockey and he had so much in hand that the stand in jockey was unable to stop him. Afterwards in the parade ring one of the stewards overheard the trainer threatening the jockey not to weigh in, but he did.
Afterwards another very prominent jockey (the regular jockey) approached the stand in and told him he was wanted outside the weight room. Outside were two on course bookmakers who told the stand in that he was going to be lynched on his way out of the track. The stand in went to the Stewart’s and relayed everything to them.
The horse went on to be rated almost 40 pound higher than he ran off that day and won multiple Grade One races, including at the Cheltenham festival. All of the characters are still involved in the game and are all now considerably more well off and are connected at the highest levels of the sport.
The only one who was done for that case was one stable lad who laid the horse on his own Betfair account and I think got warned off for a considerable length of time.
Don’t think for a second that this doesn’t go on.
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Originally posted by nicnicnic View PostI'd be very cynical at the best of times and would have a great respect for your opinion in general ( took 33/1 the dog after you post bookies have heads in sand Saturday night btw tks).
But, have to call bollox on that. you're more or less suggesting he Dermot Browned the first two and then pulls that kamikaze today.
It was a total brainfart, could have stemmed from a shout from the guy leaning on the gate between the hedges, but where the wing was set with the red flag, for whatever reason he thought he had to jump the right hand side of that wing, you can see him attempt to straighten of the horse after the severe swerve and then sees about 4 ft of fence there.
Someone commented its like driving a car thinking I've to turn off here suddenly at speed, taking the turn off and then going oh fuck wrong turn.
Watching the head on and the rear view I just can’t have it that there was anything telling him it was to be bypassed.
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Originally posted by Arazi View PostIn 2008 there was a race at Fairyhouse won by the 4/1 Favourite (had drifted from 5/2). He wasn’t supposed to win but he wasn’t ridden by his regular jockey and he had so much in hand that the stand in jockey was unable to stop him. Afterwards in the parade ring one of the stewards overheard the trainer threatening the jockey not to weigh in, but he did.
Afterwards another very prominent jockey (the regular jockey) approached the stand in and told him he was wanted outside the weight room. Outside were two on course bookmakers who told the stand in that he was going to be lynched on his way out of the track. The stand in went to the Stewart’s and relayed everything to them.
The horse went on to be rated almost 40 pound higher than he ran off that day and won multiple Grade One races, including at the Cheltenham festival. All of the characters are still involved in the game and are all now considerably more well off and are connected at the highest levels of the sport.
The only one who was done for that case was one stable lad who laid the horse on his own Betfair account and I think got warned off for a considerable length of time.
Don’t think for a second that this doesn’t go on.
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Originally posted by nicnicnic View PostI don't for a second think it doesn't go on, the yorkhill drift was very dubious, but was probably moreso to do with the punt on Min, set up nicely with yorkhill as a decoy. I'm just saying to think if Townsend was under pressure not to win on that one today for whatever reason, he could have done it easily and in much an unspectacular fashion.
I’m suspicious and I don’t trust the jockey that’s all I’m saying. There’s just been too many incidents for me.
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Originally posted by Arazi View PostIn 2008 there was a race at Fairyhouse won by the 4/1 Favourite (had drifted from 5/2). He wasn’t supposed to win but he wasn’t ridden by his regular jockey and he had so much in hand that the stand in jockey was unable to stop him. Afterwards in the parade ring one of the stewards overheard the trainer threatening the jockey not to weigh in, but he did.
Afterwards another very prominent jockey (the regular jockey) approached the stand in and told him he was wanted outside the weight room. Outside were two on course bookmakers who told the stand in that he was going to be lynched on his way out of the track. The stand in went to the Stewart’s and relayed everything to them.
The horse went on to be rated almost 40 pound higher than he ran off that day and won multiple Grade One races, including at the Cheltenham festival. All of the characters are still involved in the game and are all now considerably more well off and are connected at the highest levels of the sport.
The only one who was done for that case was one stable lad who laid the horse on his own Betfair account and I think got warned off for a considerable length of time.
Don’t think for a second that this doesn’t go on.
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Originally posted by Arazi View PostI think the first two could have been Dermot Browned as you put it, particularly Yorkhill. Once I think that it basically means that I have to be suspect of anything involving that pilot. The race changed big time at the second last when Monalee fell and hampered a few and left him with the race at his mercy.
Watching the head on and the rear view I just can’t have it that there was anything telling him it was to be bypassed.
That's the 2nd last, Al Boum Photo is upside if not just ahead of Monalee
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Originally posted by nicnicnic View PostI don't for a second think it doesn't go on, the yorkhill drift was very dubious, but was probably moreso to do with the punt on Min, set up nicely with yorkhill as a decoy. I'm just saying to think if Townsend was under pressure not to win on that one today for whatever reason, he could have done it easily and in much an unspectacular fashion.Profit before people.
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Originally posted by NoRiverRequired View PostNot saying racing is squeaky clean or anything but surely to god if he wanted ABP to lose that badly a jockey of his calibre could have done something a little more subtle earlier in the race.
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It's one of a maddest things I've ever see on a racetrack. I'm not arguing that X is or is not dodgy as fuck. But I'm putting that incident down to something akin to a jockey riding a finish a circuit early, which is common enough, If you watch after the swerve he tries to straighten up the horse as if to jump the fence on the right hand side of the wing.Last edited by nicnicnic; 24-04-18, 23:21.
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Originally posted by premierstone View PostExactly and it's because of anyone thinking different that this will always be a profitable game! It's actually an unmightable insult to Townend to suggest anything untoward
I thought it was just the usual Twitter loons and pocket talkers suggesting he chucked it. Genuinely shocked to see two solid racing posters above saying it.
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Originally posted by Arazi View PostIn 2008 there was a race at Fairyhouse won by the 4/1 Favourite (had drifted from 5/2). He wasn’t supposed to win but he wasn’t ridden by his regular jockey and he had so much in hand that the stand in jockey was unable to stop him. Afterwards in the parade ring one of the stewards overheard the trainer threatening the jockey not to weigh in, but he did.
Afterwards another very prominent jockey (the regular jockey) approached the stand in and told him he was wanted outside the weight room. Outside were two on course bookmakers who told the stand in that he was going to be lynched on his way out of the track. The stand in went to the Stewart’s and relayed everything to them.
The horse went on to be rated almost 40 pound higher than he ran off that day and won multiple Grade One races, including at the Cheltenham festival. All of the characters are still involved in the game and are all now considerably more well off and are connected at the highest levels of the sport.
The only one who was done for that case was one stable lad who laid the horse on his own Betfair account and I think got warned off for a considerable length of time.
Don’t think for a second that this doesn’t go on.
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Originally posted by nicnicnic View PostIt's one of a maddest things I've ever see on a racetrack. I'm not arguing that X is or is not dodgy as fuck. But I'm putting that incident down to something akin to a jockey riding a finish a circuit early, which is common enough, If you watch after the swerve he tries to straighten up the horse as if to jump the fence on the right hand side of the wing.
Here are the two best views:
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Link not working but your right on that re jumping other side of wing after watching it again about 10 times there.
But think he thinks last is out of play, when he looks around it's the two horses on his inside that he think are going to go inside the last and he's missed that it's out of play, so is going for the inside line around the fence before them. I'm still firmly in the brain fart camp. Would love to read the minutes of the stewards.
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Originally posted by Arazi View PostIt’s being reported that he told the Stewart’s that he heard someone shout that the fence was to be bypassed and even though none of the usual bypass procedures were in place he decided on the spur of the moment to swerve. The other jockeys interviewed denied hearing any such shout.
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Originally posted by nicnicnic View PostHe definitely stops riding before he looks around. If it is what you say they must of had his family kidnapped for him to have the wherewithal and nerve to pull a horse in that manner. I just can't have it at all, we'll agree to disagree.
I’m suspicious, that’s all.
I remember chatting to the lad who rode Yellow Sam (the famous Bellewstown gamble of Barney Curley) in his following race which incidentally was at Punchestown. He told me it was a 1/4 shot and as he was being jocked up Barney tells him “not today”. He said he couldn’t stop him, it was simply impossible so he had to jump off in the wings of the last but it looked very obvious and he got a huge ban and his career never recovered when he came back.
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Originally posted by Arazi View PostHa yeah.
I’m suspicious, that’s all.
I remember chatting to the lad who rode Yellow Sam (the famous Bellewstown gamble of Barney Curley) in his following race which incidentally was at Punchestown. He told me it was a 1/4 shot and as he was being jocked up Barney tells him “not today”. He said he couldn’t stop him, it was simply impossible so he had to jump off in the wings of the last but it looked very obvious and he got a huge ban and his career never recovered when he came back.Last edited by nicnicnic; 25-04-18, 01:01.
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surely putting the horse into the fence like that and potentially ending its career is not worth the reward of a single race?
edit...but it looks fucking insanePeople say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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The authorities are now saying that the jockey claimed to have heard a shout on his left hand side and thought that he had to bypass the fence but didn’t know on which side to pass. He then undertook a manouver to pass on the right hand side but claims that when he looked and saw no signage on the fence to bypass it he then tried to correct his manouver but it was too late.
Personally I don’t see any evidence of the latter in the footage. What is now certain is that racing will now close ranks to protect itself.
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Lads on at the races talking about Townend after his win, all niceties and such, final sentence "he didn't do it on purpose, that's for sure" was said so quickly and sounded so insincere it would defo set off a Derren Brown type
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Originally posted by Arazi View PostRTE’s coverage was disgusting IMO. Really rubbing the public’s nose in it, you would think he was a victim. His interview with Ruby showed exactly where the punters are in their view, ie right at the bottom of the pile.Turning millions into thousands
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Anybody still clinging on to the idea that what happened yesterday was anything more than a mistake really need to stop watching the sport and definitely stop gambling on it. Was a pleasure to see the reception he got from the racing public today. The Mullins operation is the best in the world and if Willie trusts him to be part of that team then so should everyone else. I see nothing at all wrong with the interview. It was an error, albeit a big one but it's done with, move on.
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Originally posted by wicklowp View PostAnybody still clinging on to the idea that what happened yesterday was anything more than a mistake really need to stop watching the sport and definitely stop gambling on it.
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostWhat would you have asked him?
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Originally posted by Arazi View PostI’d have asked him for his explanation publically. Ruby (of all people) was the interviewer and at the end of the interview just says “and what about yesterday” to which Townend replies something like “it’s in the past” and Ruby cheers and backslaps him. Dreadful in my opinion but Racing was always going to close ranks.
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Originally posted by premierstone View PostYeah absolutely dreadful the way two fellow pros working in the same stable would offer each other moral support when one was at his lowest. Can't believe Ruby didn't throw him to the wolves [emoji848] Lord Jaysus some lads would want to get a grip!
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Originally posted by Arazi View PostAll you had to say is that you didn’t see the interview.
I think we are so far apart on this one that the best course of action is to agree to disagree!!
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Originally posted by premierstone View PostArazi I really respect you as a poster and don't want to fall out with you over this, but yes I did see the conversation (it wasn't nor should it be an interview) and it was absolutely as it, in my opinion, should have been....two fellow pros in one of the hardest professions out there showing each other respect and one not twisting the knife.
I think we are so far apart on this one that the best course of action is to agree to disagree!!
I will say though that Ruby Walsh has nothing but contempt for the general public and that shines through constantly.
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