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Old 13-08-19, 21:10   #58421
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Jesus, BoJo looks fucked already.

Give it another month and he'll be May 2.0
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Old 13-08-19, 23:01   #58422
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Old 13-08-19, 23:05   #58423
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Old 13-08-19, 23:45   #58424
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Ate at my favourite restaurant again here in padua. Will do proper TR when find time but tonight, special was pasta with ox tail ragu, sounded delicious, but for some reason they sprinkled cocoa powder on top of it
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Old 14-08-19, 08:44   #58425
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Why does big tech have to be politically neutral?

Big oil isn’t.
Big Pharma isn’t.
Why should any industry be neutral? I’d imagine a shareholder would expect a company to do whatever it can to increase shareholder value and being neutral seems like to should be aligned to that. Not aligned to political ideologies.

Am I missing something?
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Old 14-08-19, 09:05   #58426
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Are tech companies doing it to increase shareholder value? Oil and Pharma lobbying is about shareholder value, but I don't think that's what Google or Facebook intentions were about.
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Old 14-08-19, 09:18   #58427
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Are tech companies doing it to increase shareholder value? Oil and Pharma lobbying is about shareholder value, but I don't think that's what Google or Facebook intentions were about.
Maybe not, I guess my overall point is that why do companies/industries have to have to be neutral or unbiased? That’s not how the world works. I could see a world where google/Facebook see a left leaning society as being more beneficial to them? I can’t think of reasons now but that shouldn’t detract from the overall point that companies should be free to subscribe to whatever way of leaning they decide?

Or they shouldn’t and all media is neutralized. (I don’t see the people screaming about google and Facebook being unbiased calling out fox or breitbart for exampe)

Ideally yes, all forms of media would be unbiased and humans would be charged with thinking critically enough to make their own decisions.
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Old 14-08-19, 09:36   #58428
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Maybe not, I guess my overall point is that why do companies/industries have to have to be neutral or unbiased? That’s not how the world works.
But the world doesn't work, we are killing it and the biased companies you refer to break laws, bribe and cause death to achieve their political aims.

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Old 14-08-19, 09:40   #58429
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Why does big tech have to be politically neutral?

Big oil isn’t.
Big Pharma isn’t.
Why should any industry be neutral? I’d imagine a shareholder would expect a company to do whatever it can to increase shareholder value and being neutral seems like to should be aligned to that. Not aligned to political ideologies.

Am I missing something?
The trouble starts when so much of our discourse is hosted on a small number of platforms. When those orgs start putting their fingers on the scales, and we know they are, they gain significant power over the method by which we decide nearly everything. The comparison to big oil or big pharma is not apt, because their spheres of influence are so much narrower.
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Old 14-08-19, 09:47   #58430
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Tech companies have range to influence that was never available to other media outlets or companies in the past.
That type of range stokes fear, combine that with the nebulous of methods they have proven to employ and how pernicious they have been, I can understand why there are calls for them to be non-partisan.
That said, I suppose in theory there is reason why they should be.

If transparent partisanship was beneficial to them they would probably employ it.
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Old 14-08-19, 09:58   #58431
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Maybe not, I guess my overall point is that why do companies/industries have to have to be neutral or unbiased? That’s not how the world works. I could see a world where google/Facebook see a left leaning society as being more beneficial to them? I can’t think of reasons now but that shouldn’t detract from the overall point that companies should be free to subscribe to whatever way of leaning they decide?

Or they shouldn’t and all media is neutralized. (I don’t see the people screaming about google and Facebook being unbiased calling out fox or breitbart for exampe)

Ideally yes, all forms of media would be unbiased and humans would be charged with thinking critically enough to make their own decisions.
I think it undermines the principal of democracy of one man one vote, it means the opinion of the heads of those companies gets magnified. I like the way Ireland has tight limits on campaign donations. The ability for one person to have undue influence should be limited.

Lobbying and donations by companies is corrosive for society, leds to oligopolies, and barriers which benefits incumbents. They can GTFO of politics.
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Old 14-08-19, 10:04   #58432
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Ok all fair points. BBV delivers.
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Old 14-08-19, 11:21   #58433
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Old 14-08-19, 11:23   #58434
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If i have free delivery i would tip but not getting a tip when there is already a €3 delivery charge attached.
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Old 14-08-19, 11:30   #58435
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Old 14-08-19, 11:37   #58436
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Ok all fair points. BBV delivers.
It's a lot more complicated than the posts above make out. The big tech companies have been thrust into impossible positions that there is no legislation, or even any really a good rule of thumb to go by. They are currently trying to balance the right to free speech with the need to stamp down on hate speech, misinformation and trolling. Whatever decision they make they will be criticised for a lack of impartiality.
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Old 14-08-19, 12:01   #58437
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That's one issue. But the tech companies were actively trying to influence the 2020 election.
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Old 14-08-19, 12:19   #58438
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Perhaps the area is still pretty nascent but if sites like Facebook, YouTube & Twitter could begin to stop the exploitation of their outsourced content reviewers in the likes of the Phillipines who are tasked with determining what content is appropriate that would probably be a start.

How can they be viewed as applying anything close to resembling best practices if they expect poorly paid low skilled workers to moderate hundreds(sometimes up to 1000s) of pieces of content on a daily basis across various languages & cultures.

Numerous companies have only recently begun offering counselling services to those reviewing the content, I'm sure little imagination is needed to picture what they see.
Probably a tad easier to stomp out misinformation & hate speech etc if there are enough people reviewing the content, they understand the language and offered the services to deal with what they see.
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Old 14-08-19, 12:24   #58439
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It's a lot more complicated than the posts above make out. The big tech companies have been thrust into impossible positions that there is no legislation, or even any really a good rule of thumb to go by. They are currently trying to balance the right to free speech with the need to stamp down on hate speech, misinformation and trolling. Whatever decision they make they will be criticised for a lack of impartiality.
My questions really came from a lot of republican ( with trump leading the charge) noise about regulating them.... yet their own platforms like fox and breitbart seem to be left alone. It seems most of the ire is because, at least outwardly, the big tech companies are left leaning.

I think focus on directing both ideologies to agree to an acceptable definition of hate speech is where the entry should be spent. It seems debatable and this is what’s causing the above.
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Old 14-08-19, 12:27   #58440
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That's one issue. But the tech companies were actively trying to influence the 2020 election.
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