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    couple of IPO spots

    anything to avoid study

    hand 1

    blinds 50/100
    Villain is a mid twenties woman who I overheard saying she qualified online. she has about 25k having turned the nut flush draw and betting pot on the river getting a call. Hasnt done anything crazy mad
    Im sitting on 18k having been relatively quiet

    Folded to me in the CO I makes it 250 with K 10
    BTN calls
    SB calls
    BB (villain calls)

    flop is an acceptable 9 6 2 (1000)

    checked to me and I bet 800. Only the villain calls

    turn is a 4

    villain leads quickly for 3k

    sighaments?

    hand 2

    Iv just sat down at a new table and it looks like I cover most people playing about 26k @ 100/200

    folded to me in the CO and I make it 500 with 77. Dave Masters calls quickly from the button playing about 15k and SB comes along for the ride.

    flop 9 6 4 (1800)

    folded to me an I make it 1100. Dave snap raises to 3.2k. SB folds and I tank call.

    Turn T

    I check and Dave snap shoves for about 10.5k

    sighaments x 2

    As im tanking someone on the table goes to Dave "has that pint gone to your head" which probably makes no difference.

    #2
    Hand 1: Fold. If she's bluffing she doesn't realise it.

    Hand 2: if calling flop, I'm 90% calling turn to any non-heart. I'd fold flop tho without any extra info.

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      #3
      hand 1: call and re-evaluate

      hand 2: Don't like calling his flop raise, you are going to have c/f turn too many times. I check flop 3 way with LAG behind on rather wet board. Don't be afraid of getting bluffed either if there is a small % of air in his range, you still have reasonable edge over table/field and can "wait for better spots"

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        #4
        Originally posted by Bubbleking View Post
        anything to avoid study

        hand 1

        blinds 50/100
        Villain is a mid twenties woman who I overheard saying she qualified online. she has about 25k having turned the nut flush draw and betting pot on the river getting a call. Hasnt done anything crazy mad
        Im sitting on 18k having been relatively quiet

        Folded to me in the CO I makes it 250 with K 10
        BTN calls
        SB calls
        BB (villain calls)

        flop is an acceptable 9 6 2 (1000)

        checked to me and I bet 800. Only the villain calls

        turn is a 4

        villain leads quickly for 3k

        sighaments?

        hand 2

        Iv just sat down at a new table and it looks like I cover most people playing about 26k @ 100/200

        folded to me in the CO and I make it 500 with 77. Dave Masters calls quickly from the button playing about 15k and SB comes along for the ride.

        flop 9 6 4 (1800)

        folded to me an I make it 1100. Dave snap raises to 3.2k. SB folds and I tank call.

        Turn T

        I check and Dave snap shoves for about 10.5k

        sighaments x 2

        As im tanking someone on the table goes to Dave "has that pint gone to your head" which probably makes no difference.
        hand 1: fold
        hand 2: dave loves to repop with draws (and this is the range he loves).... personally, against Dave, I fold or reraise the flop 3 bet...
        ME: prob fold to the 3 bet... I have no idea where I stand and, out of position, I fold like a bitch!
        D15 CASINO, Mulhuddart Village (opp Blanchardstown shopping centre)

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          #5
          i was there at ur table for the 1 hand i say it was a fold

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            #6
            bump for the night time crew

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              #7
              Hand 1: I'm between calling and re-evaluating otr or folding but I think I prob fold ott since she's just turning her cards face up, A every time imo.

              Hand 2: Don't know villain but folding flop. Sometimes I'd go into c/c mode depending on who is behind.

              Originally posted by Bubbleking View Post
              As im tanking someone on the table goes to Dave "has that pint gone to your head" which probably makes no difference.
              I'd tell him to stfu during a hand too, although in a more polite way depending on how the hand played out.

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                #8
                1. i fold
                2. if i call flop i'm calling turn, but i fold flop.

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                  #9
                  Not sure why everyone folds the turn in Hand 1, I prob call and re-evaluate river. If she fires big again on I might believe she has the nuts...

                  Hand 2 - I think vs Dave if you have called the flop raise you have to call the turn shove when the 10 pops up. He is capable of doing this with just about anything, never mind the comment made it doesnt matter. I don't hate folding to the raise on the flop tho cos there are many cards you dont want to see on turn there

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                    #10
                    Certainly not folding hand one on the turn.

                    2 I think I just fold v Dave, going to be put in pain on the turn regardless.

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                      #11
                      ok time to wade in a bit - the women in hand 1 bets big when she has a big hand. otherwise she will c/c herself into oblivion. Now don't get me wrong she could be vbetting worse but for this hand assume if we call the turn we are going to be facing a big river bomb

                      hand 2 - what range are we putting dave on that we fold - is QQ=77 in this case?

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                        #12
                        qq!=77 here vs dave masters
                        Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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                          #13
                          I think its a fold v her. But its easy for me to say after playing with her and playing like a donkey against her myself in my exit hand

                          She led out big when she rivered her nut flush in the other hand you mentioned.
                          She donk betted when she flopped a set v me.
                          I dont think she's leading out here v you with the Q or worse imo.

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                            #14
                            Not really sure of the second hand so wont comment. But if you have that strong of a read on her then hand 1 is a fold. Horrible as it is but you have to. Jesus did she butcher it though.
                            Last edited by MegaSin; 25-10-11, 21:33.

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                              #15
                              I prob shove over the raise on the flop in hand 2. IMO his range here is weighted towards draws and with the fact that you miss the flop most of the time, he may just be stealing.
                              There arent many good turn cards for us so flatting may not be profitable, considering hes a competent LAG.
                              Also he is going to have a very hard time calling it off with 88, A9, k9 etc ( although id say he rarely shows up with these).

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                                #16
                                Never folding 2

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                                  #17
                                  H1: Just sign and fold. I think this is simply what it appears to be. Really doubt she is chancing a bluf, verses OR on a 4-flush board.

                                  H2: I've only played with Dave a small bit, but I really thnk folding to raise on the flop is far too weak. After a non heart hits, I call the shove.

                                  Originally posted by westlife View Post
                                  ME: prob fold to the 3 bet... I have no idea where I stand and, out of position, I fold like a bitch!
                                  There was no 3Bet in the hand. If there had of been I'd fold it too.

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                                    #18
                                    H1: Call turn and call/check behind river

                                    H2: Shippage

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                                      #19
                                      Hand 1:

                                      300 pre
                                      Call Turn
                                      Fold to any bet on river (unless A peels of course )

                                      Hand 2

                                      Don't know Villain but from some descriptions above it doesn't sound like he's going to slow down on the turn after we flat the flop oop so it's either a fold or a shove. Can't bring myself to fold on this flop so it's a shove unless we know our opponent is a fan of regularly flatting 99-JJ ip.

                                      Edit: As played I think I'm folding as the 10 smacks an average live players range of flatting the button, even with his rep of liking to reraise draws. Shove smells suspicious but don't think I'm calling it off here. Too many combo draws, pair and draw type hands now in his range so we should never be crushing him even with only one card to come.
                                      Last edited by sligoboi; 26-10-11, 01:58.
                                      Pining for Wa'erford

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                                        #20
                                        Might not get on for awhile so I'll post results in spoilers for anyone thats interested - thought process in hand 2 might lead to more discussion

                                        Hand 1

                                        SPOILER
                                        I pretty much snap folded and flashed the K. villain looks embarressed and asks was it that obvious . Dutch guy to my left nearly falls out of his seat. he later tries to bluff me by leading the turn massive but I snap that off. That wasnt my interntion showing the King I just hoped she would show me the Ace but her reaction was enough


                                        Hand 2

                                        SPOILER
                                        Folding the flop is way way to weak imo. Unless he has flopped a set which is possible Im still ahead of all his drawing hands, bluffs etc so I elect to call with the intention of calling on a blank turn.

                                        The T isnt a bad card as it completes some draws and some poxy air hands that now has a pair better than mine but by and large I think its a bit of a brick

                                        The timing of the whole thing seemed like a bluff - he snap raised the flop and snap shoved the turn, my gut was screaming at me to call. Then your man wades in with "has the pint gone to your head" which got me thinking that he must be playing like a rock up to this (at this stage I had cut out a call from my stack and was checking how much Id be left with if I was wrong)

                                        What your man said probably had no relevance but it swung me the other way and I vagged out and folded which Im really disappointed with as the minute I did it I knew I was wrong

                                        Shown KQo no heart

                                        I dont think Im being results orientated I was very disappointed at the time and a bit tilted with the guy the other side of the table who probably unknowingly gave dave a massive helping hand

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Bubbleking View Post
                                          As im tanking someone on the table goes to Dave "has that pint gone to your head" which probably makes no difference.
                                          I didn't want to comment on the hand because Dave told me about it on the break but this idiot needs a kick in the nuts. Did anyone say anything to him?

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                                            #22
                                            I would ship or fold on flop in 2.

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                                              #23
                                              I think you read way too much into the guys comment.
                                              He easily raises a Cbet and shoves a turn with a strong but vulnerable hand. The other was prob failed to keep track of pot size.

                                              Obv easy to say now and at the time you talk yourself into folding quite easily.

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                                                #24
                                                Hand 1. Absolutely crazy 2 fold the turn I think thats so bad call and re-evaluate river!!!

                                                Hand 2. Much tougher decision I would probably agree considering the raise size and turn shove that alot of draws make up his range however in saying that I also believe he will raise sets, overpairs and maybe any big 9( a9,k9) in the same manner on the flop because the board is so draw heavy!!
                                                I just feel in a field like the IPO and giving the level of ability the player has, there are much better spots to be playing for half your stack especially when you are still so deep.
                                                So I swallow my pride, fold the flop and try be a hero later

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                                                  #25
                                                  Your equity is absolute pantaloons in hand 2. Even if he has air he has 30%. Also his drawing combos are cut down by the fact that you've two blockers to the OESD. I'd much prefer to continue with A5 here than 77.

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                                                    #26
                                                    Hand 1 std fold vs a donk. I'd b/f 1/2pot in Hand 2 cos you'll get the same info with a smaller bet. There aren't a lot of turn cards we're going to like.

                                                    Offsuit ten is a meh card, but if I called flop in hand 2 I'd be calling that turn, esp for an overshove, not gonna be 2P+ very often given how fast he played it.

                                                    Originally posted by brady23 View Post
                                                    Hand 1. Absolutely crazy 2 fold the turn I think thats so bad call and re-evaluate river!!!
                                                    If you're ahead on the turn tell me what cards you're possibly going to re-evaluate and fold to on the river?
                                                    "c'est en faisant n'importe quoi qu'on devient n'importe qui"

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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Winning! View Post
                                                      If you're ahead on the turn tell me what cards you're possibly going to re-evaluate and fold to on the river?
                                                      I don't understand the re-eval coments from everyone either.
                                                      Are they suggesting we call and fold to a river bet? Check back or bet if checked to?
                                                      Bar the Ad hitting we are never in a better spot and ar often in a worse spot if river pairs

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                                                        #28
                                                        I think what people meant was that they would call and see if she fires again but someone like this is always bombing the river and, like I said, it's only ever the A that she has.

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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Mellor View Post
                                                          I don't understand the re-eval coments from everyone either.
                                                          Are they suggesting we call and fold to a river bet? Check back or bet if checked to?
                                                          Bar the Ad hitting we are never in a better spot and ar often in a worse spot if river pairs
                                                          I think it's a rare enough spot in this day and age where we can be 99% sure she shuts down on river with everything but A so we can safely call and have an easy decision on the River. Obv we're not re-evaluating depending on board texture but by our opponent's action. I understand it's not a common spot these days but based on very general reads (female and a snap lead [given we don't know this= super strength with this player]) I like a flat.
                                                          Pining for Wa'erford

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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by westlife View Post
                                                            hand 1: fold
                                                            hand 2: dave loves to repop with draws (and this is the range he loves).... personally, against Dave, I fold or reraise the flop 3 bet...
                                                            ME: prob fold to the 3 bet... I have no idea where I stand and, out of position, I fold like a bitch!
                                                            sorry, the raise!.......
                                                            Last edited by westlife; 27-10-11, 00:31.
                                                            D15 CASINO, Mulhuddart Village (opp Blanchardstown shopping centre)

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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by sligboi View Post
                                                              I think it's a rare enough spot in this day and age where we can be 99% sure she shuts down on river with everything but A so we can safely call and have an easy decision on the River. Obv we're not re-evaluating depending on board texture but by our opponent's action. I understand it's not a common spot these days but based on very general reads (female and a snap lead [given we don't know this= super strength with this player]) I like a flat.
                                                              This

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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by sligboi View Post
                                                                I think it's a rare enough spot in this day and age where we can be 99% sure she shuts down on river with everything but A so we can safely call and have an easy decision on the River. Obv we're not re-evaluating depending on board texture but by our opponent's action. I understand it's not a common spot these days but based on very general reads (female and a snap lead [given we don't know this= super strength with this player]) I like a flat.
                                                                Well I don't agree she only bets the A on the river.
                                                                But assuming the above is true. We fold or check back the river.
                                                                We need to be good 55% of the time. This increases when we add in sets that boat up, or the fact that if she is bluffing or over valuing a small flush, she may continue to do so on the river. I jsut don't think the Kd high is good 60-70% of the time given her action.
                                                                Originally posted by westlife View Post
                                                                sorry, the raise!.......
                                                                You've got more table time with Dave I'd say.
                                                                Surprized you'd get out of the way to the raise over the cBet. Sometimes he is good, but i'd say we beat his range.

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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Bubbleking View Post
                                                                  she has about 25k having turned the nut flush draw and betting pot on the river getting a call. Hasnt done anything crazy mad
                                                                  Originally posted by sligboi View Post
                                                                  I think it's a rare enough spot in this day and age where we can be 99% sure she shuts down on river with everything but A so we can safely call and have an easy decision on the River. Obv we're not re-evaluating depending on board texture but by our opponent's action. I understand it's not a common spot these days but based on very general reads (female and a snap lead [given we don't know this= super strength with this player]) I like a flat.
                                                                  We pretty much know tbh.

                                                                  Even without OP's history, we're facing a polarised range of A/bluffs (hardly ever a set or worse diamonds, as the line is just retarded), and we're being offered just under 2:1. So do you think this a bluff 30+% of the time?

                                                                  Note that these are the absolute best odds we see, assuming villain will never barrel the river with her bluffs. If she does, the EV of our call drops hugely since we plan on folding for the most part! And we can never get value back from a bet when checked to on the river, because it is very rare that 1) there will be worse value hands in villains range, and 2) she will ever call a bet with them given our line.
                                                                  "c'est en faisant n'importe quoi qu'on devient n'importe qui"

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