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    Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
    This guy getting a fair bit of sympathy. Not going to prevent him becoming a convicted sex offender though. I expect her reaction to the incident was unusual. Obviously sex initiated with a sleeping person is never going to be considered consensual.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0516/12...leidhin-court/
    How on earth can they prove this ? He should have simply denied it.

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      Originally posted by Solksjaer! View Post

      How on earth can they prove this ? He should have simply denied it.
      Probably corroborating text messages.
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        That guy does seem very unfortunate. She woke up and he was feeling her breasts, she asked him to stop and he did.

        What do you do when from the woman's perspective that constitutes sexual violence and leads to suicidal ideation.

        Hard not to think most women would laugh that type of thing off.

        Guy is a sex offender, for the rest of his life.



        I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

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          Originally posted by Mellor View Post

          Spot on. At the top George Street in the Rocks, beside Circular Quay. The windows (and entrance) on the other side face The Mercantile. anyone whose been to Sydney has probably had a pint there.
          Think I spent the last night of the 2000 Olympics down by that spot. Pretty touristy iirc.

          I'm old.
          "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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            Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View Post

            This week does seem strange though. There's a 'normal' ~150 hotels available in all price ranges this day next week, but next to nothing tonight or Wed/Thurs.
            There doesn't seem to be any 'event' on to explain it. Or maybe there's some yoof thing on we don't know about.
            My chemical romance gig tonight like duh obviously
            ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿

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              Originally posted by Solksjaer! View Post

              How on earth can they prove this ? He should have simply denied it.
              Should have said he was asleep too.
              "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                A case to be made for blaming society, particularly social media for how that woman feels.

                It does seem the range of what constitutes victimhood has been broadened massively.

                Overall that's likely a positive thing, but in cases like that one, you'd have to think, had it happened 20 years ago neither party would have experienced negativity from it.

                I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

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                  Originally posted by Micknail View Post

                  My chemical romance gig tonight like duh obviously
                  My daughter is going to that.

                  I'm old.
                  "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                    Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                    Think I spent the last night of the 2000 Olympics down by that spot. Pretty touristy iirc.

                    I'm old.
                    I'd imagine Sydney during the was pretty jammers with tourists in general.

                    It's walking distance to the Opera house, Cruise ship passenger terminal, so yeah you'll get plenty or tourists. The odd gimmicky "Carrols" type shop.
                    Also a few good hidden bars if you know where to look. Paint door on a cobbled street, whisky bar in the basement type.

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                      If roles had been reversed and the man had reported it (unlikely as that may be) would she be put on the Sex Offenders List

                      Edit - that sounds a bit like I'm condoning his actions, I'm not, I'm more just curious.
                      Last edited by Dice75; 24-05-22, 13:41.

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                        Originally posted by Lazare View Post
                        That guy does seem very unfortunate. She woke up and he was feeling her breasts, she asked him to stop and he did
                        I'd say it's more about this:
                        she woke up to find Ó Leidhin lying on top of her

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                          Originally posted by Denny Crane View Post
                          I'd say it's more about this:

                          Yeah, maybe.

                          An uncomfortable thing to be discussing tbh.


                          I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

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                            That bit of Sydney has the worst seagulls I've ever encountered. Vicious, malevolent and cunning. Absolute bastards of the highest order.
                            "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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                              Originally posted by Lazare View Post

                              Yeah, maybe.

                              An uncomfortable thing to be discussing tbh.

                              On the one hand, if it is as described - they went home together, did some consensual stuff short of actual sex, went asleep, he started to feel horny and was on her feeling her up when she woke and stopped when she said stop - then I'd imagine it isn't dissimilar to 100's of encounters every weekend especially in this country. There was absolutely a line crossed when he started doing it when she was asleep and this should not have happened and is not ok, but it definitely seems like the ultimate outcome is harsh on him to an extent. We can't obviously tell her how to feel about the situation and while many would have had different reactions from essentially shrugging it off to a bit pissed off, it obviously affected her pretty deeply.

                              We obviously only know the bare facts as presented there, and there is likely a lot more context that we don't know, which could colour things in either direction really.

                              Very much reinforces though that when it comes to these things, people should always be sure of consent before any actions, especially with a relative stranger. Things are likely better than they were years ago in this regard, but I'm obviously only guessing there. Hopefully they are, but there is still a ways to go.

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                                Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View Post
                                That bit of Sydney has the worst seagulls I've ever encountered. Vicious, malevolent and cunning. Absolute bastards of the highest order.
                                Australian magpies are psychopathic bastards too.

                                Even those cute looking cockatoos would steal the lunch off your lap. It's a jungle out there, unfit for civilised individuals.
                                "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                  Originally posted by 6starpool View Post

                                  On the one hand, if it is as described - they went home together, did some consensual stuff short of actual sex, went asleep, he started to feel horny and was on her feeling her up when she woke and stopped when she said stop - then I'd imagine it isn't dissimilar to 100's of encounters every weekend especially in this country. There was absolutely a line crossed when he started doing it when she was asleep and this should not have happened and is not ok, but it definitely seems like the ultimate outcome is harsh on him to an extent. We can't obviously tell her how to feel about the situation and while many would have had different reactions from essentially shrugging it off to a bit pissed off, it obviously affected her pretty deeply.

                                  We obviously only know the bare facts as presented there, and there is likely a lot more context that we don't know, which could colour things in either direction really.

                                  Very much reinforces though that when it comes to these things, people should always be sure of consent before any actions, especially with a relative stranger. Things are likely better than they were years ago in this regard, but I'm obviously only guessing there. Hopefully they are, but there is still a ways to go.
                                  That's a good point about there might be more to the story, but as the RTE story makes out it's crazy that he is on the sex offenders register.

                                  It reminds me of this fallacy - https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yCWP...t-in-the-world

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                                    Following from the logic of this.
                                    If you are with a one night stander and you wake up find a head of hair below your belly button trying to rouse you. You can have her branded as a sex predator. (as opposed to a hero)
                                    Something missing all right - The law is an ass

                                    #metooplease

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                                      Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View Post
                                      That bit of Sydney has the worst seagulls I've ever encountered. Vicious, malevolent and cunning. Absolute bastards of the highest order.
                                      Yeah, annoying bastards. Not just stealing a chip. But knocking over a trays of drinks - clearly on purpose too.

                                      The bars/restaurants under the Opera house seem to have a bit of solution. They have handlers with dogs on the waterfront. And the dogs chase the seagulls aware from the bar.
                                      Over time I suppose they'll start to stop going there at all. Obviously they'll just piss off somewhere else. But we just need a smart doggie everywhere.

                                      It's actually a local dog walking company. They found certain dogs/breeds were mad to chase birds and trained them. Offer the service as a trial and are now are signed up for a few years. Genius stuff. Dogs are amazing.

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                                        Day 1 of leg log.

                                        I called the hospital today to get an appointment with my specialist. first response was no new appointments till next year. not good. i then called his secretary, pleading for an emergency appointment with him or a registrar, anybody really as all that's going to happen is them telling me to get lots of scans in order to assess the damage and rebuild parts to replace the broken one. From experience, i know the building phase is the longest so all i want to do is initiate the process, after that, mentally i know i can cope once we get to that stage.
                                        unfortunately, the secretary tells me that his only registrar (he used to have 3 or 4 as it's one of the most highly sought and recognised specialisations in the field, ask bubbleking) is off on maternity leave shortly. She said she'd speak to her boss and get back to me. no response today. hopefully she gets back to me tomorrow

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                                          Rickie Gervais getting a lot of flack over his tranny jokes.

                                          Pfttt THIS was much worse .

                                           

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                                            Better Call Saul
                                            "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                              SF election worker who robbed pensioner committed ‘appalling crime’ – Ó Broin

                                              Can you imagine how he'll react when he finds out that he sits in the Dáil alongside a mass murderer
                                              Turning millions into thousands

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                                                Just caught up on the last 2 episodes of Better Call Saul. It's definitely a show that has grown through the seasons. So much thought goes into the details.
                                                SPOILER
                                                Pretty grim ending for Howard. Just chilling stuff. Lalo is a top tier villain tbf. Gonna be a long 6 weeks for the 2nd part of the season. Kim surely has to be on the next bus to GTFO

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                                                  Originally posted by coillcam View Post
                                                  Just caught up on the last 2 episodes of Better Call Saul. It's definitely a show that has grown through the seasons. So much thought goes into the details.
                                                  SPOILER
                                                  Pretty grim ending for Howard. Just chilling stuff. Lalo is a top tier villain tbf. Gonna be a long 6 weeks for the 2nd part of the season. Kim surely has to be on the next bus to GTFO
                                                  SPOILER
                                                  isn't he just (Lalo). Has just this aura about him.
                                                  "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                    Originally posted by Dice75 View Post
                                                    If roles had been reversed and the man had reported it (unlikely as that may be) would she be put on the Sex Offenders List

                                                    Edit - that sounds a bit like I'm condoning his actions, I'm not, I'm more just curious.
                                                    Yes.
                                                    You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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                                                      Originally posted by Lazare View Post
                                                      A case to be made for blaming society, particularly social media for how that woman feels.

                                                      It does seem the range of what constitutes victimhood has been broadened massively.

                                                      Overall that's likely a positive thing, but in cases like that one, you'd have to think, had it happened 20 years ago neither party would have experienced negativity from it.
                                                      I think you're somewhere between 98 and 100% wrong about this Lazare, and that's unfortunate.

                                                      Women have suffered from constant, unrelenting, unwelcome male attention in silence for so long that even mentioning the actual timespan seems hyperbolic. Now, to be clear, I am not saying that every woman hates every uninvited sexualised encounter or that every woman experiences this sort of constant unwelcome attention in the same way. Not one bit. But the fact is that women get groped, leered at, shouted at, abused and sexualised constantly and in insidious ways that we don't always even realise or that we tend to minimise as if "ah, it's nothing".

                                                      20 years ago (2002 remember) if a woman woke up in bed with a man she had slept with, voluntarily, to discover that he had decided to start groping her while she was unconscious for his own sexual pleasure I suspect she would reasonably be expected to have a reaction anywhere from "hell yeah, let's go" to "get the fuck off me you disgusting pervert".

                                                      The fact is that once you decide that consent is not necessary or that previous consent is the same as permanent consent then, as a man or a woman but particularly as a man, you are accepting a very high degree of risk. You should not be doing it, full stop. But if you do and the person you've decided to grope while unconscious doesn't decide they're ok with it then welcome to the criminal justice system my friend. Because the guy who does that deserves to be convicted.

                                                      Imagining a past where women didn't feel they could speak out about these things and recasting it as better days when women wouldn't have felt that a little unconscious groping was a bad thing is, I hate to say, just wrong mate.
                                                      You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
                                                      World Record Holder for Long Distance Soul Reads: May 7th 2011

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                                                        BBV Needs this tune .

                                                         

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                                                          Originally posted by Kayroo View Post

                                                          I think you're somewhere between 98 and 100% wrong about this Lazare, and that's unfortunate.

                                                          Women have suffered from constant, unrelenting, unwelcome male attention in silence for so long that even mentioning the actual timespan seems hyperbolic. Now, to be clear, I am not saying that every woman hates every uninvited sexualised encounter or that every woman experiences this sort of constant unwelcome attention in the same way. Not one bit. But the fact is that women get groped, leered at, shouted at, abused and sexualised constantly and in insidious ways that we don't always even realise or that we tend to minimise as if "ah, it's nothing".

                                                          20 years ago (2002 remember) if a woman woke up in bed with a man she had slept with, voluntarily, to discover that he had decided to start groping her while she was unconscious for his own sexual pleasure I suspect she would reasonably be expected to have a reaction anywhere from "hell yeah, let's go" to "get the fuck off me you disgusting pervert".

                                                          The fact is that once you decide that consent is not necessary or that previous consent is the same as permanent consent then, as a man or a woman but particularly as a man, you are accepting a very high degree of risk. You should not be doing it, full stop. But if you do and the person you've decided to grope while unconscious doesn't decide they're ok with it then welcome to the criminal justice system my friend. Because the guy who does that deserves to be convicted.

                                                          Imagining a past where women didn't feel they could speak out about these things and recasting it as better days when women wouldn't have felt that a little unconscious groping was a bad thing is, I hate to say, just wrong mate.
                                                          Jaysus

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                                                            oh my good god.

                                                            "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                              Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                              oh my good god.

                                                              A guy I work with is a volunteer fireman in Sandy Hook. He was one of the first responders that day. Beyond awful.
                                                              "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                Better Call Saul
                                                                Saving it until it's all up on Netflix. I feel though that there is definitely a market for a 1 hour long 'here's a reminder of who everyone is and what has happened up to this point, and how it overlaps with BB' explainer as I am bound to have forgotten at least 80% of the plot and characters.
                                                                "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                  Originally posted by Kayroo View Post

                                                                  I think you're somewhere between 98 and 100% wrong about this Lazare, and that's unfortunate.

                                                                  Women have suffered from constant, unrelenting, unwelcome male attention in silence for so long that even mentioning the actual timespan seems hyperbolic. Now, to be clear, I am not saying that every woman hates every uninvited sexualised encounter or that every woman experiences this sort of constant unwelcome attention in the same way. Not one bit. But the fact is that women get groped, leered at, shouted at, abused and sexualised constantly and in insidious ways that we don't always even realise or that we tend to minimise as if "ah, it's nothing".

                                                                  20 years ago (2002 remember) if a woman woke up in bed with a man she had slept with, voluntarily, to discover that he had decided to start groping her while she was unconscious for his own sexual pleasure I suspect she would reasonably be expected to have a reaction anywhere from "hell yeah, let's go" to "get the fuck off me you disgusting pervert".

                                                                  The fact is that once you decide that consent is not necessary or that previous consent is the same as permanent consent then, as a man or a woman but particularly as a man, you are accepting a very high degree of risk. You should not be doing it, full stop. But if you do and the person you've decided to grope while unconscious doesn't decide they're ok with it then welcome to the criminal justice system my friend. Because the guy who does that deserves to be convicted.

                                                                  Imagining a past where women didn't feel they could speak out about these things and recasting it as better days when women wouldn't have felt that a little unconscious groping was a bad thing is, I hate to say, just wrong mate.
                                                                  How has the concept of Mens Rea changed in that time do you think? Do you think it was more generally accepted (by a predominantly male judiciary) that someone meant no harm? I think it’s still a defence in serious cases that you reasonably believed you had consent, has that developed at all? I think cases like this really make for interesting legal positions.

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                                                                    Originally posted by Kayroo View Post

                                                                    I think you're somewhere between 98 and 100% wrong about this Lazare, and that's unfortunate.

                                                                    Women have suffered from constant, unrelenting, unwelcome male attention in silence for so long that even mentioning the actual timespan seems hyperbolic. Now, to be clear, I am not saying that every woman hates every uninvited sexualised encounter or that every woman experiences this sort of constant unwelcome attention in the same way. Not one bit. But the fact is that women get groped, leered at, shouted at, abused and sexualised constantly and in insidious ways that we don't always even realise or that we tend to minimise as if "ah, it's nothing".

                                                                    20 years ago (2002 remember) if a woman woke up in bed with a man she had slept with, voluntarily, to discover that he had decided to start groping her while she was unconscious for his own sexual pleasure I suspect she would reasonably be expected to have a reaction anywhere from "hell yeah, let's go" to "get the fuck off me you disgusting pervert".

                                                                    The fact is that once you decide that consent is not necessary or that previous consent is the same as permanent consent then, as a man or a woman but particularly as a man, you are accepting a very high degree of risk. You should not be doing it, full stop. But if you do and the person you've decided to grope while unconscious doesn't decide they're ok with it then welcome to the criminal justice system my friend. Because the guy who does that deserves to be convicted.

                                                                    Imagining a past where women didn't feel they could speak out about these things and recasting it as better days when women wouldn't have felt that a little unconscious groping was a bad thing is, I hate to say, just wrong mate.
                                                                    All fair and valid. I accept that.

                                                                    I guess I'm imagining that there are possibly some cases, due to heigtened awareness where a victim will feel hurt and emotinal pain that they may not have felt before the era of that heigtened awareness.

                                                                    It's not an argument for less awareness, victims finding voices is obviously a social good, it's really just an observation.

                                                                    It could well be wrong but it is based on my own experience.

                                                                    The Al Porter thing had me thinking about it when all that stuff came out. I remember reading many victim stories, all deeply emotionally hurt.

                                                                    I had an experience of similar with a boss I worked for in the late nineties. A closeted gay married man who seemed to drop the veil with drinks on board. Two separate occasions of inappropriate groping.

                                                                    I was certainly disgusted by it and creeped out, and learned to avoid him.

                                                                    I just wonder though would it have affected me more emotionally had it happened during this time of heightened awareness. I don't know the answer to that.

                                                                    I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

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                                                                      In a packed office for the first time in over two years. It's negative craic. I've been coming in once a week for the past few months but the office has been empty most of the time. Glad I got covid out of the way a few weeks ago because i'd defo be picking it up today

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                                                                        Originally posted by Solksjaer! View Post

                                                                        Jaysus
                                                                        Groping somebody who is asleep is definitely a crime.




                                                                        Originally posted by Kayroo View Post




                                                                        I think you're somewhere between 98 and 100% wrong about this Lazare, and that's unfortunate.




                                                                        Women have suffered from constant, unrelenting, unwelcome male attention in silence for so long that even mentioning the actual timespan seems hyperbolic. Now, to be clear, I am not saying that every woman hates every uninvited sexualised encounter or that every woman experiences this sort of constant unwelcome attention in the same way. Not one bit. But the fact is that women get groped, leered at, shouted at, abused and sexualised constantly and in insidious ways that we don't always even realise or that we tend to minimise as if "ah, it's nothing".




                                                                        20 years ago (2002 remember) if a woman woke up in bed with a man she had slept with, voluntarily, to discover that he had decided to start groping her while she was unconscious for his own sexual pleasure I suspect she would reasonably be expected to have a reaction anywhere from "hell yeah, let's go" to "get the fuck off me you disgusting pervert".




                                                                        The fact is that once you decide that consent is not necessary or that previous consent is the same as permanent consent then, as a man or a woman but particularly as a man, you are accepting a very high degree of risk. You should not be doing it, full stop. But if you do and the person you've decided to grope while unconscious doesn't decide they're ok with it then welcome to the criminal justice system my friend. Because the guy who does that deserves to be convicted.




                                                                        Imagining a past where women didn't feel they could speak out about these things and recasting it as better days when women wouldn't have felt that a little unconscious groping was a bad thing is, I hate to say, just wrong mate.
                                                                        You’re completely correct in what you’ve said. It’s not ok, it was never ok, and nobody (make or female) should have to accept any degree of groping. Anyone doing so is basically rolling the dice with the other persons reaction.




                                                                        But I also think you’re misinterpreting Laz’s post. At the very least, we’ve interpreted it differently. I didn’t think he was suggesting it was ok, or would of been ok 20 years ago. Nor did I read it as equating not being able to speak up with not having an issue with being groped.




                                                                        I took it as suggesting her actual feelings would have been different 20 years ago. We are bombarded constantly with this social justice message, that’s largely positive, but may also have a subliminal impact. If somebody is told constantly that X makes them a victim, that they should feel like whatever. Then that is affecting how they actually feel. Everyone should be allow to speak up. But also nobody should be made to feel like a victim.




                                                                        I think that also largely true. But the flip side to that is that the “it’s harmless” prevailing attitude of the time, would have have to opposing negative effect.

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                                                                          Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                          Saving it until it's all up on Netflix. I feel though that there is definitely a market for a 1 hour long 'here's a reminder of who everyone is and what has happened up to this point, and how it overlaps with BB' explainer as I am bound to have forgotten at least 80% of the plot and characters.
                                                                          I think at this stage you can get stuck in and catch up for the series finale. In 6 weeks the final 6 episodes will drop (on a weekly schedule). Jimmy/Saul is a compelling character but sometimes he's lost amidst this BCS/BB world and relegated to almost a side story - this is a good thing as the other players are fantastic. I think it takes a little longer than BB to establish the story but it really takes off. The new principal characters (never featured in BB) are portrayed wonderfully and we see a bit more of the returners from a different perspective. There are plenty of recaps that can help you catch up, youtube is the best spot but be very careful as it's incredibly spoilery given the public attention so close to the end.

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                                                                            Originally posted by Goodluck2me View Post

                                                                            How has the concept of Mens Rea changed in that time do you think? Do you think it was more generally accepted (by a predominantly male judiciary) that someone meant no harm? I think it’s still a defence in serious cases that you reasonably believed you had consent, has that developed at all? I think cases like this really make for interesting legal positions.
                                                                            The Supreme Court has recently considered this to a certain extent: https://www.courts.ie/view/judgments...on%20J.pdf/pdf

                                                                            On Mellor’s point I accept Laz may have been coming at it in a different way than I took it up. I’ll come back to that later when I have some time.
                                                                            You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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                                                                              15k quote to get house rewired. Good\bad\normal?
                                                                              "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                We're going on a family holiday to England & Wales in July, over to Holyhead on July 13 and back via Pembroke-Rosslare on July 23. Gonna spend the first three nights based in Chester, and the maybe last three nights in or around Tenby in Wales, but the four nights in the middle we're still wondering where to go and what to do. Am thinking Warwick might be half-decent for a night or two, see the castle, etc...? For reference, we're a family of two adults, a 4-year-old dinosaur-mad son and an 18-month-old daughter.

                                                                                Have a few things on the to-do list, such as checking out Conwy Castle on Day 1, going to Chester Zoo, going to a place called BeWILDerwood near Chester, the National Show Caves in Wales and a place called Folly Farm near Tenby, all family-friendly stuff. Does anyone have any recommendations for nice things to do and places to stay (will do Airbnbs as taking a full house is just easier for us than hotels and restaurants) in the English midlands or South Wales?


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                                                                                  Originally posted by ionapaul View Post
                                                                                  We're going on a family holiday to England & Wales in July, over to Holyhead on July 13 and back via Pembroke-Rosslare on July 23. Gonna spend the first three nights based in Chester, and the maybe last three nights in or around Tenby in Wales, but the four nights in the middle we're still wondering where to go and what to do. Am thinking Warwick might be half-decent for a night or two, see the castle, etc...? For reference, we're a family of two adults, a 4-year-old dinosaur-mad son and an 18-month-old daughter.

                                                                                  Have a few things on the to-do list, such as checking out Conwy Castle on Day 1, going to Chester Zoo, going to a place called BeWILDerwood near Chester, the National Show Caves in Wales and a place called Folly Farm near Tenby, all family-friendly stuff. Does anyone have any recommendations for nice things to do and places to stay (will do Airbnbs as taking a full house is just easier for us than hotels and restaurants) in the English midlands or South Wales?
                                                                                  I always think English countryside looks really beautiful and had been thinking of doing something similar to this at some stage. I'd be interested in hearing how you get on and also interested in the replies to this. Presume you're taking the car? Any ballpark on what the damage is going to be for a week's trip? If it's as expensive as Ireland might have to reconsider

                                                                                  Will also have to wrestle with the fact that it will be full of tans
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                                                                                    Originally posted by Mellor View Post

                                                                                    Groping somebody who is asleep is definitely a crime.






                                                                                    You’re completely correct in what you’ve said. It’s not ok, it was never ok, and nobody (make or female) should have to accept any degree of groping. Anyone doing so is basically rolling the dice with the other persons reaction.




                                                                                    But I also think you’re misinterpreting Laz’s post. At the very least, we’ve interpreted it differently. I didn’t think he was suggesting it was ok, or would of been ok 20 years ago. Nor did I read it as equating not being able to speak up with not having an issue with being groped.




                                                                                    I took it as suggesting her actual feelings would have been different 20 years ago. We are bombarded constantly with this social justice message, that’s largely positive, but may also have a subliminal impact. If somebody is told constantly that X makes them a victim, that they should feel like whatever. Then that is affecting how they actually feel. Everyone should be allow to speak up. But also nobody should be made to feel like a victim.




                                                                                    I think that also largely true. But the flip side to that is that the “it’s harmless” prevailing attitude of the time, would have have to opposing negative effect.
                                                                                    Was about to post something similar.

                                                                                    Social networks have allowed people to communicate more freely, helping to create surprisingly influential social organizations among once-marginalized groups. These groups in the past likely would have been ignored because of the perceived dominance of the existing status quo, but social media has allowed for formerly overlooked concerns to gain traction.

                                                                                    Social media has minimized the collective action problem that was previously in place by promoting the spread of unconventional knowledge among individuals. By shifting the Overton Window, social media has given a voice to and fostered a community among groups that failed to be heard in the past. Social media outlets have empowered people to express themselves, find others who share their views, and band together to break into the mainstream.

                                                                                    However social media has it's problems. By design, intended or otherwise, it promotes polarization and eschews nuance. Extreme beliefs become the norm and can lead to extreme behaviours. To quote Mellor "If somebody is told constantly that X makes them a victim, that they should feel like whatever. Then that is affecting how they actually feel.".

                                                                                    While we appear to be getting to grips with quantum mechanics as a species, we still behave like children when it comes to decision making on the complexities and chemistry of carnal interactions. The law can be a blunt instrument in adjudicating on alleged malfeasance in this area. This will lead to hard cases like this. One poster said they were left uncomfortable after reading about the case. Possibly because of the "there but for the grace of God go I" aspect of it.
                                                                                    Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                                                                                      Originally posted by Kayroo View Post
                                                                                      On Mellor’s point I accept Laz may have been coming at it in a different way than I took it up. I’ll come back to that later when I have some time.
                                                                                      I think that’s fair enough tbh. As I said, everything you’ve said was correct in itself.
                                                                                      In general the whole thing is a minefield. As whether somebody is bothered by it has no real bearing on whether or not its is illegal. On on whether it becomes an issue.

                                                                                      but where to you draw the line with non-consent?
                                                                                      (not suggesting the line is anywhere near a sleeping person)

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                                                                                        In fairness i think he was trying to wake her.



                                                                                        Havent they cancelled the sleeping beauty now ? Ah here ref ffs.

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                                                                                          Originally posted by Keane View Post

                                                                                          I always think English countryside looks really beautiful and had been thinking of doing something similar to this at some stage. I'd be interested in hearing how you get on and also interested in the replies to this. Presume you're taking the car? Any ballpark on what the damage is going to be for a week's trip? If it's as expensive as Ireland might have to reconsider

                                                                                          Will also have to wrestle with the fact that it will be full of tans
                                                                                          Yes, taking the ol' petrol guzzler for one last spin before getting the EV car of the future Need to learn the ins-and-outs of EVs before risking a foreign trip in one!

                                                                                          So the ferry there and back is approximately €600, which seems reasonable. Accommodation in the places we've looked in England (Chester, Warwick, Cirencester and in the Cotswolds) can be had for €150-€200/night and that would be nice big cottages/houses furnished very well and with all mod cons, way nicer than staying in a hotel from my perspective. Tenby is a different story, not sure we'll get anything there for less than €250/night, must be a very popular place. God only knows how much the entire trip will put us back, let's say €4K or so?

                                                                                          Other than Centre Parcs we haven't done any family stuff in a while, so can't say if that's better or worse than Ireland!!!


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                                                                                            Springsteen in the RDS early May, c.25% chance of it being cold and wet.
                                                                                            if you've a choice do you book pitch or stand?
                                                                                            Turning millions into thousands

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                                                                                              High on my list of half planned trips is to get a bit of time touring around that whole area of the Welsh borders, Shropshire, Malvern hills, Shrewsbury, Ironbridge Hay on Wye etc.
                                                                                              Anywhere in the UK you need to have your trip well planned or you find yourself sitting in identikit town centres with everything closed down at 6PM except shitty pub food and chippers.
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                                                                                              Turning millions into thousands

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                                                                                                Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post
                                                                                                Springsteen in the RDS early May, c.25% chance of it being cold and wet.
                                                                                                if you've a choice do you book pitch or stand?
                                                                                                stand every day

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                                                                                                  Originally posted by shrapnel View Post

                                                                                                  stand every day
                                                                                                  not on your leg

                                                                                                  Bruce gives valooooo with his concerts, you're looking at 3.5 hours here
                                                                                                  "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                                    Originally posted by shrapnel View Post

                                                                                                    stand every day
                                                                                                    I'm still somewhat confused about your leg situation. Are you not in a hospital bed? From your last post it sounds like you are not, as I had assumed you would be talking to doctors face to face, and not to their office staff on the phone.
                                                                                                    Gone full 'Glinner' since June 2022.

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                                                                                                      update 2:

                                                                                                      after speaking to the specialist's secretary yesterday, i called her again this morning, and just asking for an update, saying in the nicest possible way how stressed i was about the whole situation. She told me her boss was coming in today and she'd call me as soon as she'd spoken to him.

                                                                                                      an hour later i received a confirmation email from the hospital saying i had an appointment on friday. she called me 30 minutes later, saying she'd got a cancellation and was so happy about it as that meant i had a spot straight away .

                                                                                                      i'm so grateful to that woman, i will send her a massive bouquet of flowers at some point. empathy is amazing when it comes from people who deal with grimness all the time and are still capable of lifting your spirits on a phone call. i'm actually really emotional writing this as the relief is beyond belief, even though i know it will take months to get sorted, but that first step is so important to me (it took 4 months last time).

                                                                                                      hadn't realised how broken i was till i got that phone call. so grateful. onwards and upwards

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                                                                                                        Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post
                                                                                                        Springsteen in the RDS early May, c.25% chance of it being cold and wet.
                                                                                                        if you've a choice do you book pitch or stand?
                                                                                                        After 10 mins you will be standing in the stands, just like everyone else. Might be nice to take a break and have a sit down every now and then.

                                                                                                        Last time I saw him there it was seated, think it was the open stand facing the sea ? Is there a big covered concrete one on the other side ?

                                                                                                        Ill look for GA, as long as there isnt a group of people next to me more interested in chatting for the whole concert than shutting the fuck up like croaker 5 years ago.
                                                                                                        This too shall pass.

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                                                                                                          This is how to cover a song. Fkkkk yeah what a voice.

                                                                                                           

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                                                                                                            Originally posted by ComradeCollie View Post

                                                                                                            I'm still somewhat confused about your leg situation. Are you not in a hospital bed? From your last post it sounds like you are not, as I had assumed you would be talking to doctors face to face, and not to their office staff on the phone.
                                                                                                            No, i just walk around on crutches with a broken leg. It's a fake broken leg though, the metal rod is broken, and it doesn't hurt if i don't stand on it and i can't stand on it or the leg buckles and then it hurts like a mofo. There is only one doctor(and team) in the uk who specialises in this field, so he's the only one who can fix it. Getting an appointment so quickly is awesome, now I'll get loads of scans, then the pieces necessary will be rebuilt, then an operation then rehab. It's a gruesomly long process unfortunately.

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                                                                                                              Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                                                              not on your leg

                                                                                                              Bruce gives valooooo with his concerts, you're looking at 3.5 hours here
                                                                                                              I meant stands. You want to sit most of the time

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                                                                                                                Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post
                                                                                                                Springsteen in the RDS early May, c.25% chance of it being cold and wet.
                                                                                                                if you've a choice do you book pitch or stand?
                                                                                                                I've been warming to seats at gigs but you might as well watch it on TV if you're going stands in the RDS.
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                                                                                                                  Top Gun was enjoyable. Even if every scene is a reference to the first movie

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                                                                                                                    Originally posted by shrapnel View Post

                                                                                                                    No, i just walk around on crutches with a broken leg. It's a fake broken leg though, the metal rod is broken, and it doesn't hurt if i don't stand on it and i can't stand on it or the leg buckles and then it hurts like a mofo. There is only one doctor(and team) in the uk who specialises in this field, so he's the only one who can fix it. Getting an appointment so quickly is awesome, now I'll get loads of scans, then the pieces necessary will be rebuilt, then an operation then rehab. It's a gruesomly long process unfortunately.
                                                                                                                    Don't understand why it hasn't been put in a cast though. Like surely it buckling could do more damage?
                                                                                                                    Gone full 'Glinner' since June 2022.

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                                                                                                                      I think the last time I sat at a gig was Tony Bennett many years ago. Jesus, it was fucking awful

                                                                                                                      I'd always opt for standing

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                                                                                                                        I've shifted to sitting for the vast majority of gigs I've gone to over the last 5 years where the option is available. Was a committed stander at gigs for the guts of two decades but unless the act is someone I'm likely to want to bounce around to now, find sitting miles better. Defo a pain of you can't get decent seats but generally manage to do so

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                                                                                                                          Was sitting at Nathaniel Rateliff last night and it was great.

                                                                                                                          There by myself, drove, had popcorn, sparkling water and a Wispa. Unusual, but enjoyable.

                                                                                                                          Found my right leg got sore towards the end though from foot tapping.
                                                                                                                          I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

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