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**Theresa** · 19-01-23, 22:04

Originally posted by Denny Crane View Post

It must be a huge thing over the next few years of sole traders retiring, and nobody to take over. Gonna be a huge loss of skills and expertise. The economy can't run on influencers.

Almost come full circle in what every economy needs, trades trades and more trades. The fund admin commerce degrees (of which I am one) is coming to its timely, timely death.

**Denny Crane** · 19-01-23, 22:09

Originally posted by Iago View Post

You are completely right..he could get by on much less than that.

the question will be ‘will he want to?’

My grandmother had a locked room full of ornaments and furniture that was saved for visitors (not sure what kind because I never saw it used).

As I get older it gets clearer that just about everything is a trade-off of sorts, whether it's time, focus, energy. An extra room like that might cost you a year in terms of after-tax pay. A room that's never used

**Denny Crane** · 19-01-23, 22:16

Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

Well I'm not going to be like some of the FIRE lunatics who wank themselves off on their ability to feed themselves for a tenner a week (I know you're not one).

I'd say get the big things sorted and then the small things are irrelevant really.

Most of those seemed to have been FANG engineers retiring on their SBC and / or TSLA investments. They'll be back.

**Lazare** · 19-01-23, 22:40

Originally posted by Opr View Post

That is one of the best conversations I have ever listened to on health/fitness.

I like many came out of the lockdowns in fairly bad shape and at the start of last January decided to try and put things back on a better path. I mainly focused on strength training and used calisthenic choices where possible. I use weighted dips as the main compound movements for the chest and pulls ups as the main back movement, for example, supplementing with dumbbells/bars. Odd choice I am told but I just much prefer doing body weight stuff where possible and enjoy it far more. I had to have a couple of minor operations throughout the year which put me out of action after each for about 6 weeks. It is a little frustrating seeing the progress be set back but you ramp up much quicker than when starting out.

I have mainly focused on recomping while getting stronger which has worked really well and pleased with the outcome but I have completely ignored any kind of conditioning/cardio. I'd actually had an aversion towards it as in the past whenever I had got out of shape it would have been the first port of call and over the years if you keep going down that well as you get older your body composition ends up really bad.

This pod helped me clear up many things in my own head around what I am lacking and really looking forward to the next few episodes with his advice on how to move towards a more general level of fitness that encompasses a more holistic approach.

Yeah, a really good pod (60% through it). The twins thing was really interesting, how the untrained one was scoring better on strength tests.

Opened my eyes a little too about the 'dangers' of specialising.

I don't do anything other than running. A mild peppering of strength work but very very little.

Tend to always have a target race that I'm either training specifically for or base training towards. In your late forties you don't have a lot of room recovery wise for a more broad approach. A way around it is to do hard strength workouts on the same day as hard running sessions so your recovery days are just that but I struggle to fit that in.

Should aim to fix that.

**Opr** · 19-01-23, 22:49

Originally posted by Theresa View Post

Yeah its excellent. I'm not sure how I feel about Huberman in general, still trying to see if he is Malcolm Gladwell for the gym bros, but he does get some great guests. This one is especially awesome.

I'd be fairly cardio allergic too, no time for it. Find it incredibly boring but it's a necessary evil, just in the scheme of things 1. be not fat. 2. be strong. 3. be cardio fit,I never get passed the be strong part.

I've found the single biggest difference to my sleep, mood and overall fitness has been eating well and not overeating.I know that sounds simple but overeating for me ends up feeling gross, then eating cos I feel gross, then falling off the wagon and its 3 weeks before I get back on and then DOMS again and fuck me its pathetic. So being disciplined in diet is my way to keep everything else in check.

This episode of the pod though is enlightening on lots of levels for me too.

Having to go through the DOMS again as you ramp up is a killer. Funny enough the worst DOMS I have ever experienced was after a hike a few weeks ago. I joined a couple of mates on my first ever decently long hike. Obviously cardio was an issue but I already knew it would be to an extent, but I have been doing what I thought is a decently functional leg day which incorporates Lunges, Deadlifts, Goblet squats, Bulgarian Split squats, etc. The next day after the hike I have never felt DOM's like it in my legs which I was not expecting. I could hardly walk for two days. It is crazy to me how different that kind of exercise works the muscle to the point that it is almost like a completely different stimulus given the DOMS I experienced from it.

Agree completely about the diet. I read that to maintain the current state you only need to do 1/7th the volume you need when looking to make changes like add muscle. Even knowing this when things go off the rails diet-wise and add a little alcohol back into the mix the wheels just come completely off the tracks and I can't get myself to do a workout until I put the other stuff right.

**Lazare** · 19-01-23, 23:18

Originally posted by Opr View Post

Having to go through the DOMS again as you ramp up is a killer. Funny enough the worst DOMS I have ever experienced was after a hike a few weeks ago. I joined a couple of mates on my first ever decently long hike. Obviously cardio was an issue but I already knew it would be to an extent, but I have been doing what I thought is a decently functional leg day which incorporates Lunges, Deadlifts, Goblet squats, Bulgarian Split squats, etc. The next day after the hike I have never felt DOM's like it in my legs which I was not expecting. I could hardly walk for two days. It is crazy to me how different that kind of exercise works the muscle to the point that it is almost like a completely different stimulus given the DOMS I experienced from it.

Agree completely about the diet. I read that to maintain the current state you only need to do 1/7th the volume you need when looking to make changes like add muscle. Even knowing this when things go off the rails diet-wise and add a little alcohol back into the mix the wheels just come completely off the tracks and I can't get myself to do a workout until I put the other stuff right.

Would hazard an unscientific guess that you're recruiting different muscle fibres and different metabolism in the two different activities.

Fast twitch anaerobic for your workouts and slow twitch aerobic for your hike.

**Opr** · 19-01-23, 23:53

Originally posted by Lazare View Post

Would hazard an unscientific guess that you're recruiting different muscle fibres and different metabolism in the two different activities.

Fast twitch anaerobic for your workouts and slow twitch aerobic for your hike.

Yeah, that makes sense in terms of one being for endurance mainly and the other for more short explosive type work. I hadn't really considered it in this kind of way before listening to that podcast.

I am not married to any kind of training and certainly don't have the love you seem to have for running. I exercise because I know it is good for my mental health, it makes me feel and look better and is good for my overall health. So I am actually really happy to have come across this podcast and hopefully after the whole series I can put together something that better addresses all of those things without the current huge holes in my routine.

**Hitchhiker's Guide To...** · 20-01-23, 00:15

Originally posted by Opr View Post

I exercise because I know it is good for my mental health.

Yeah, its so good for feeling good. Nothing else comes close.

**Theresa** · 20-01-23, 01:18

Originally posted by Opr View Post

I exercise because I know it is good for my mental health, it makes me feel and look better and is good for my overall health. .

This. Its hard to remember this some days when Im in bits and I really really don't want to go.

But I legit reckon I have two pathological issues, 1. I'm entirely sure I'm addicted to sugar, and 2. I'm almost certain I'll never be "happy" with my body, but I know exercising and keeping relatively in shape means I'm not unhappy with my body. It's an interesting thing, but something I think has probably affected my life since I was very very young. So the mental health benefits of exercising for me cannot be overstated.

**Hitchhiker's Guide To...** · 20-01-23, 01:58

Originally posted by Theresa View Post

This. Its hard to remember this some days when Im in bits and I really really don't want to go.

But I legit reckon I have two pathological issues, 1. I'm entirely sure I'm addicted to sugar, and 2. I'm almost certain I'll never be "happy" with my body, but I know exercising and keeping relatively in shape means I'm not unhappy with my body. It's an interesting thing, but something I think has probably affected my life since I was very very young. So the mental health benefits of exercising for me cannot be overstated.

My wife is convinced she has this and its genuinely a woeful thing, whether true or not. All types of eating issues associated. She's not overweight in any way, but everything seems to be mediated by her sense that any action or decision might eventually cause her to pounce on a bun. Its just so hard to escape sugar, and indeed its a good thing in many ways. I can just 'not drink', while she is stuck trying to duck and dive around literally every food type.

**dinekes** · 20-01-23, 05:32

Am cutting back on sugar gradually. Main motivation there is I think it will help with inflammation issues.

Starting out with cutting down on sugar in tea/coffee Reducing the amount of bread by approx half.
Booze already have cut back by at least 33%.

Dark choc for the sweet tooth as it's hard to eat much if it.

Off for a walk/excercise now in a few mins with my handy headtorch for the park

**oleras** · 20-01-23, 08:28

Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

Sounds like you have a pretty decent employer ole!

I wont hear a bad word about them

**Raoul Duke III** · 20-01-23, 08:57

Originally posted by oleras View Post

I wont hear a bad word about them

A friend of mine was in a similar situation to you and ended up with the employer having private detectives taking photos of him in the shops, out socialising etc and producing these in court to prove his condition wasn't what he claimed. 2 teams of medical experts facing off. Different condition entirely to yours.

Luckily they caved and essentially paid him off just to go away and he's been retired ever since. Was quite the ordeal at the time though. Sounds like your guys are much better.

**Solksjaer!** · 20-01-23, 09:04

Ooh what happened to Ole ? Seems very cloak n dagger

**Solksjaer!** · 20-01-23, 09:08

Tooka superfit guy for a game of Squash a few years ago. He couldnt walk properly for days due to hip stiffness. Mad how unused muscles wake up and go WTF .

**Raoul Duke III** · 20-01-23, 09:12

Ole literally has zero excuse not to have an IPB BBQ in his gaff now.

**oleras** · 20-01-23, 09:49

Originally posted by Solksjaer! View Post

Ooh what happened to Ole ? Seems very cloak n dagger

Basically, its a risk v reward scenario. Ill spoiler it just in case any of those detectives are reading....

SPOILER

**Wombatman** · 20-01-23, 10:31

Racist or just offensively unfunny? Both IMHO.

**shrapnel** · 20-01-23, 10:35

Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

Ole literally has zero excuse not to have an IPB BBQ in his gaff now.

if my leg was fixed, i'd seriously consider coming over for this!!

**Solksjaer!** · 20-01-23, 10:37

Dave Crosby RIP - my late uncle was team Crosby - complicated relationship. Stills wrote this below - must remember with fam& friends. Dont sweat the small stuff

From Stephen Stills

"I read a quote in this morning’s paper attributed to composer Gustav Mahler that stopped me for a moment:
'Death has, on placid cat’s paws, entered the room.'

I shoulda known something was up.

David and I butted heads a lot over time, but they were mostly glancing blows, yet still left us numb skulls..

I was happy to be at peace with him.

He was without question a giant of a musician, and his harmonic sensibilities were nothing short of genius.
The glue that held us together as our vocals soared, like Icarus, towards the sun.

I am deeply saddened at his passing and shall miss him beyond measure.”

**Murdrum** · 20-01-23, 11:08

Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

Racist or just offensively unfunny? Both IMHO.

I’m guessing this is the Tommy Tiernan joke he apologised for?

Either way, I went to his stand up a few months ago. I don’t recall this joke being included.
He had a couple of decent jokes, half referenced during the Roy Keane interview about the unconditional love of his dogs or something.
Outside of a couple of laughs, I thought the show just wasn’t funny.

Maybe I’d have found more of it funny 10-15 years ago but I was little bit disappointed because I didn’t think his content was particularly funny. I don’t know maybe I was just expecting something a little more mature because his interviews are good.

Pretty disappointed overall tbh.

**6starpool** · 20-01-23, 11:12

Originally posted by oleras View Post

Basically, its a risk v reward scenario. Ill spoiler it just in case any of those detectives are reading....

SPOILER

Is there any chance of them trying to get you off the payroll with a redundancy package, or do you have them by the short and curlies in a legal sense so they can't do that?

**Opr** · 20-01-23, 11:18

Originally posted by Theresa View Post

This. Its hard to remember this some days when Im in bits and I really really don't want to go.

But I legit reckon I have two pathological issues, 1. I'm entirely sure I'm addicted to sugar, and 2. I'm almost certain I'll never be "happy" with my body, but I know exercising and keeping relatively in shape means I'm not unhappy with my body. It's an interesting thing, but something I think has probably affected my life since I was very very young. So the mental health benefits of exercising for me cannot be overstated.

Kinda crazy though as I have the same ongoing battle to do it.

My Brain: "I know this thing which will improve your quality of sleep, reduce feelings of anxiety and depression. improve your memory and brain function, protect against many chronic diseases, make you feel and look better along with a host of other good things, and will release chemicals directly into your brain during and after doing it that will regulate your mood and help you feel happier. It also has little to no side effects.

Me: Give me those drugs now?

Brain: It is exercise.

Me: Oh fuck off you cunt.

If you go to the Nootropics forum on Reddit the stickied post examines all the different stuff and exercise rates among the highest on a probability of positive effect on life and probability of changing your life while everything else that rates that high generally comes with many side effects.

**hotspur** · 20-01-23, 11:56

Tommy Tiernan said he had only thought of that joke the morning of the show he did it at.

And I call BS on the suggestion that a show he did 15 years ago contained any material in his recent one.

**Murdrum** · 20-01-23, 12:11

Originally posted by hotspur View Post

Tommy Tiernan said he had only thought of that joke the morning of the show he did it at.

And I call BS on the suggestion that a show he did 15 years ago contained any material in his recent one.

I’d echo what Keane said having seen him years ago.

That said, I don’t think Keane was suggesting the recent shows contained any of his previous material but it was very similar in style. That seems a fair assessment to me.

**dinekes** · 20-01-23, 12:21

Originally posted by Opr View Post

Kinda crazy though as I have the same ongoing battle to do it.

My Brain: "I know this thing which will improve your quality of sleep, reduce feelings of anxiety and depression. improve your memory and brain function, protect against many chronic diseases, make you feel and look better along with a host of other good things, and will release chemicals directly into your brain during and after doing it that will regulate your mood and help you feel happier. It also has little to no side effects.

Me: Give me those drugs now?

Brain: It is exercise.

Me: Oh fuck off you cunt.

If you go to the Nootropics forum on Reddit the stickied post examines all the different stuff and exercise rates among the highest on a probability of positive effect on life and probability of changing your life while everything else that rates that high generally comes with many side effects.

One of the great things about walking is there's fuck all preparation needed. Pair of runners and out the door.

Once you're out you start enjoying it immediately and from there you can just drop and do 20 press ups or break into a jog or stretch etc.
ANd these tag on excercises are far easier to do when you're already out and about and you've got to the local park or green area.

I do excercises at home but find it far more successful to do it once I'm moving already.

And I find motivating myself just to move and get out the door is a simple "ok, put the runners on grab the fleece and go"
Just a few seconds of "let's do it" and you're out.

You don't need much gear or gym membership just 30 seconds of willpower.

And I'm a world class procrastinator.

It's great getting out early too.
Was out at 6.45 this am and it was fantastic.
Frost and crispy air and quiet with the colours of the dawn after.

**Dice75** · 20-01-23, 12:45

Going to see TT in a couple months - can't wait now

**Opr** · 20-01-23, 12:55

Originally posted by dinekes View Post

You don't need much gear or gym membership just 30 seconds of willpower.

Great post, 100% it is just about that initial kick and getting started. You normally feel great once you get going and never regret it once you are finished and it is just about that initial kick. One neat little phycological trick I learned from this podcast recently is to ask yourself the question out loud. "Are you going to go for a run now?" You are far more likely to answer yes and go do it than when ruminating in your head.

I guess the point I was trying to make is why I am not jumping out of my skin to do this thing every day given I know all those benefits I listed. It doesn't seem like something which should require all that much willpower when you weigh up the net positive effects on your life. Now some days I do look forward to it but I would say they are in the minority by quite a margin.

**oleras** · 20-01-23, 12:58

Originally posted by 6starpool View Post

Is there any chance of them trying to get you off the payroll with a redundancy package, or do you have them by the short and curlies in a legal sense so they can't do that?

Not a hope they would pay me off, tbh, I wouldent really want it unless we are looking at 500k+, im being paid for the next 15 years and who would hire me anyway if i was paid off?

As far as they would be concerned, im just not their problem any more, insurance company pays my wage through them and part of that agreement is of course i cant take another job and work.

Just have to live long enough now...

**6starpool** · 20-01-23, 13:17

Originally posted by oleras View Post

Not a hope they would pay me off, tbh, I wouldent really want it unless we are looking at 500k+, im being paid for the next 15 years and who would hire me anyway if i was paid off?

As far as they would be concerned, im just not their problem any more, insurance company pays my wage through them and part of that agreement is of course i cant take another job and work.

Just have to live long enough now...

I'm not suggesting you'd want it. If they are happy that the insurance company looks after your stuff then as long as the insurance company don't get antsy you're golden and living the dream.

**Raoul Duke III** · 20-01-23, 13:26

Originally posted by oleras View Post

Not a hope they would pay me off, tbh, I wouldent really want it unless we are looking at 500k+, im being paid for the next 15 years and who would hire me anyway if i was paid off?

As far as they would be concerned, im just not their problem any more, insurance company pays my wage through them and part of that agreement is of course i cant take another job and work.

Just have to live long enough now...

Upgrading the IPB BBQ frequency to monthly.

**Strewelpeter** · 20-01-23, 13:45

Countdown Champion of Champions series is top class stuff, freakily good standard, the final is underway on C4 now, +1 at 15:10 and if you are interested it's probably worth catching the finals series from catch up on the web

Colin Murray has taken over as presenter and that has been a game changer for the show, he's been excellent compared to some of the twats they have let present it over the years.
Despite skipping thorough all the non game bits other than Suzie's always excellent bit the likes of Anne Robinson made it almost unwatchable.

**oleras** · 20-01-23, 13:45

Originally posted by 6starpool View Post

I'm not suggesting you'd want it. If they are happy that the insurance company looks after your stuff then as long as the insurance company don't get antsy you're golden and living the dream.

Dont i know it ! yeah, its all down to ins now, should know what they say in a few weeks.

**Strewelpeter** · 20-01-23, 14:03

Originally posted by oleras View Post

Dont i know it ! yeah, its all down to ins now, should know what they say in a few weeks.

If they say no where does that leave you?

**oleras** · 20-01-23, 14:08

Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post

If they say no where does that leave you?

I think the phrase involves a paddle and a creek.

**Raoul Duke III** · 20-01-23, 14:42

Originally posted by oleras View Post

I think the phrase involves a paddle and a creek.

You have options. Obv hope you don't need to go there and sounds like they are a decent bunch.

Remember companies hate negative publicity...

All this advice can be paid for in meat form.

**Raoul Duke III** · 20-01-23, 14:43

Originally posted by Opr View Post

Great post, 100% it is just about that initial kick and getting started. You normally feel great once you get going and never regret it once you are finished and it is just about that initial kick. One neat little phycological trick I learned from this podcast recently is to ask yourself the question out loud. "Are you going to go for a run now?" You are far more likely to answer yes and go do it than when ruminating in your head.

I guess the point I was trying to make is why I am not jumping out of my skin to do this thing every day given I know all those benefits I listed. It doesn't seem like something which should require all that much willpower when you weigh up the net positive effects on your life. Now some days I do look forward to it but I would say they are in the minority by quite a margin.

Get a dog. Problem solved.

**Dice75** · 20-01-23, 15:44

TGIF, steak, glass of vino and a small punt on the evenings fare.

6.45 - Delta Romeo @ 4s
7.00 - Mauras Gift @ 4s
7.30 - Celtic Revival @ 7/2

Fiver Trixie (€20) and roar at telly

**Hitchhiker's Guide To...** · 20-01-23, 15:58

Do ye like how I've used ChatGPT for the forces of good here?

https://nimby-pal.vercel.app/

**dinekes** · 20-01-23, 16:17

Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

Get a dog. Problem solved.

That would be some motivator.

Dog "You've got to feed me, walk me, listen to me losing my mind at doorbells, cats, squirrels, rustling leaves etc ..sign here chief!" OPR - "Sounds doable , is that it?"
Dog- "errrr....you get to pick up my shit and carry it around in a bag

"
OPR-

**Solksjaer!** · 20-01-23, 17:49

Leave River Red alooone. Bohoooo waaah

**Lazare** · 20-01-23, 18:20

Originally posted by dinekes View Post

One of the great things about walking is there's fuck all preparation needed. Pair of runners and out the door.

Once you're out you start enjoying it immediately and from there you can just drop and do 20 press ups or break into a jog or stretch etc.
ANd these tag on excercises are far easier to do when you're already out and about and you've got to the local park or green area.

I do excercises at home but find it far more successful to do it once I'm moving already.

And I find motivating myself just to move and get out the door is a simple "ok, put the runners on grab the fleece and go"
Just a few seconds of "let's do it" and you're out.

You don't need much gear or gym membership just 30 seconds of willpower.

And I'm a world class procrastinator.

It's great getting out early too.
Was out at 6.45 this am and it was fantastic.
Frost and crispy air and quiet with the colours of the dawn after.

Early mornings are so so good, in many ways.

Family life forces me into training early morns but I love it so much.

The productivity boost you get for the whole day. Feeling fully woken up and alive over your coffee and breakfast after it. I've also noticed my HR is usually about 5bpm lower running at dawn than it is in the evenings.

You're right about the motivation though, it's so hard at this time of year to will yourself out of bed, but again you're bang on, it just takes a little push and you're away.

The middle of Summer though is absolutely glorious. I remember running the canal at about 5.15am one June morning. Vest and shorts on and the Sun beaming. Heaven.

**Gimmeabreak** · 20-01-23, 20:06

**Theresa** · 20-01-23, 20:13

Lots of senior execs and business owners in here.

I have a question.

Do, as an outcome of you role specifically, find that you become more and more right leaning?

This oft misattributed quote needs a change imo.
‘If you’re not a liberal when you’re an employee, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you've tried to start your own business, you have no brain."

**Theresa** · 20-01-23, 20:14

Originally posted by Gimmeabreak View Post

**Solksjaer!** · 20-01-23, 20:16

Originally posted by Lazare View Post

Early mornings are so so good, in many ways.

Family life forces me into training early morns but I love it so much.

The productivity boost you get for the whole day. Feeling fully woken up and alive over your coffee and breakfast after it. I've also noticed my HR is usually about 5bpm lower running at dawn than it is in the evenings.

You're right about the motivation though, it's so hard at this time of year to will yourself out of bed, but again you're bang on, it just takes a little push and you're away.

The middle of Summer though is absolutely glorious. I remember running the canal at about 5.15am one June morning. Vest and shorts on and the Sun beaming. Heaven.

I do envy you morning folk. My only time to do stuff is later in the day normally but that dawn summer canal jog does vibe so cool.

**Solksjaer!** · 20-01-23, 20:19

Originally posted by Gimmeabreak View Post

2023 a man called PantiBliss calling someone out .
(correctly or not) . Glad i'm not famous . I'd self cancel .

**ComradeCollie** · 20-01-23, 20:49

Originally posted by Solksjaer! View Post

2023 a man called PantiBliss calling someone out .
(correctly or not) . Glad i'm not famous . I'd self cancel .

A man who calls himself a Mayo woman though.

**Kayroo** · 20-01-23, 21:23

Originally posted by Theresa View Post

This oft misattributed quote needs a change imo.
‘If you’re not a liberal when you’re an employee, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you've tried to start your own business, you have no brain."

Both the original quote and your parsing of it are unimaginably frustrating.

Why oh why would people's views on protections in power-imbalanced societies change depending on their relative share of the power?

More people need to read John Rawls. There, I said it.

**Strewelpeter** · 20-01-23, 21:34

Originally posted by Kayroo View Post

Both the original quote and your parsing of it are unimaginably frustrating.

Why oh why would people's views on protections in power-imbalanced societies change depending on their relative share of the power?

More people need to read John Rawls. There, I said it.

Funny you should mention Rawls, his theory of justice was the subject of yesterday's in our time

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001h4bz

**Kayroo** · 20-01-23, 21:40

Will absolutely be checking that out, thank you!

**horatio1** · 20-01-23, 21:48

Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

Get a dog. Problem solved.

I have put a stone on since our German Shepherd died in August. A friend helpfully reminded me recently that it was not compulsory to have a dog to get up off my ass and do a 45 min walk.

**Lazare** · 20-01-23, 21:52

Wasn't it Tar that made a point before that it's not your politics, worldview and outlook that's changing. The world is changing while you're standing still.

It's like how we imagine old folk. The conservative clothing, conservative hairstyles. We imagine that one day we turn into that.

We don't.

Those old folks looked and dressed that way when they were young.

The vision of what it is to be elderly will be so different for our kids. Old folks in jeans with tattoos.

**zuutroy** · 20-01-23, 21:53

The idea of doing anything more than cycling to work before about 11 am is a non-starter. Don't reckon I've been up before 7:30 for about 5 years. Hoping that continues.

**zuutroy** · 20-01-23, 21:56

Originally posted by Lazare View Post

Wasn't it Tar that made a point before that it's not your politics, worldview and outlook that's changing. The world is changing while you're standing still.

It's like how we imagine old folk. The conservative clothing, conservative hairstyles. We imagine that one day we turn into that.

We don't.

Those old folks looked and dressed that way when they were young.

The vision of what it is to be elderly will be so different for our kids. Old folks in jeans with tattoos.

Yea I go to work in respectable jeans and a plain hoodie these days and I just assume the students think I'm in old man clothes.

**Wombatman** · 20-01-23, 21:58

**Theresa** · 20-01-23, 22:08

Originally posted by Kayroo View Post

Both the original quote and your parsing of it are unimaginably frustrating.

Why oh why would people's views on protections in power-imbalanced societies change depending on their relative share of the power?

More people need to read John Rawls. There, I said it.

Jeez man. You need to chill a bit.

**Theresa** · 20-01-23, 22:09

Originally posted by Lazare View Post

Wasn't it Tar that made a point before that it's not your politics, worldview and outlook that's changing. The world is changing while you're standing still.

It's like how we imagine old folk. The conservative clothing, conservative hairstyles. We imagine that one day we turn into that.

We don't.

Those old folks looked and dressed that way when they were young.

The vision of what it is to be elderly will be so different for our kids. Old folks in jeans with tattoos.

yeah fair, your dress style, and your music tastes get arrested at certain points in your life and it never changes (for most people).

**Lazare** · 20-01-23, 22:13

Originally posted by Theresa View Post

yeah fair, your dress style, and your music tastes get arrested at certain points in your life and it never changes (for most people).

Have had a few comments about my skinny jeans

Tbf, they're pretty much flares on me.

**Lazare** · 20-01-23, 22:17

Originally posted by Kayroo View Post

Both the original quote and your parsing of it are unimaginably frustrating.

Why oh why would people's views on protections in power-imbalanced societies change depending on their relative share of the power?

More people need to read John Rawls. There, I said it.

Ultra right wing Israelis would like a word.

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