Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Wordle Gummidge

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    In other news, 10:25 pm on a Saturday and I'm in the leaba.

    First race of 2021 tomorrow morning. Took Monday off so I'll have a Saturday night tomorrow.
    I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

    Comment


      Ah I've smiled at it. It's beautiful. HJ one of my favourite posters in over 15 years reading the same people get old together.

      But you can see why the number of people getting older together dwindles.

      "This is a gambling forum" Lay a 15/1 bet or you're a Charlatan who doesn't have a clue what you're talking about.

      I've no doubt in my mind I'd be an awful bookie. But come on man. Look what we're talking about here.

      Think it was you that gave some advice to someone on here of "Go put your feet on the grass" or something similar. Maybe heed your own advice.

      Comment


        Originally posted by Silver-Tiger View Post
        Ah I've smiled at it. It's beautiful. HJ one of my favourite posters in over 15 years reading the same people get old together.

        But you can see why the number of people getting older together dwindles.

        "This is a gambling forum" Lay a 15/1 bet or you're a Charlatan who doesn't have a clue what you're talking about.

        I've no doubt in my mind I'd be an awful bookie. But come on man. Look what we're talking about here.

        Think it was you that gave some advice to someone on here of "Go put your feet on the grass" or something similar. Maybe heed your own advice.
        I admit charlatan was over the top! Apologies. I was mainly disappointed at missing out on some value & a good sweat. IMO it's a pretty easy situation to model and come up with a reasonable line.

        Comment


          Originally posted by Gimmeabreak

          ah the old have a go at the language used cos I can't argue with the content strategy.

          Your too smart for me.
          You criticised me for trying to "police other peoples behaviour", in effect trying to police my behaviour. I would have thought this patent absurdity didn't need to be made explicit to a man of your intellect.

          Comment


            Originally posted by Lazare View Post
            In other news, 10:25 pm on a Saturday and I'm in the leaba.

            First race of 2021 tomorrow morning. Took Monday off so I'll have a Saturday night tomorrow.
            You doing the remembrance day run ? Doing it with the siblings but walking it to be sociable . When finished I might just do a sneaky run myself before we meet up later to toast those who have passed.


            Anyone got a stream for the poker ? Be cool to watch from me spinning bike . What have I become .


            HJ is deff applying his 'how to argue/debate ' skills for practice . However I would have expected a maths/odds geek to give him the actual book without necessarily taking his bet .


            Comment




              'But since it falls unto my lot
              That I should rise and you should not,
              I'll gently rise and softly call,
              "Good night, and joy be with you all."


               

              Comment


                Originally posted by Hectorjelly View Post

                Will you give me 15 to 1?
                Lol @ 15 to 1

                It would be 15/1 for Gareth alone to FT. For any of them, 5/1

                Comment


                  Originally posted by Solksjaer! View Post

                  You doing the remembrance day run ? Doing it with the siblings but walking it to be sociable . When finished I might just do a sneaky run myself before we meet up later to toast those who have passed.




                  I'm not Willie, it's the Tallaght AC 5k.

                  That sounds like a nice day though.

                  I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

                  Comment


                    Originally posted by Mellor View Post
                    Lol @ 15 to 1

                    It would be 15/1 for Gareth alone to FT. For any of them, 5/1
                    Booked for €2

                    Can meet you when you're in Dublin with cash.

                    ​​
                    I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

                    Comment


                      109 left and Chris last man standing

                      Comment


                        Did not have that info when I bet that €2.

                        ul Mellor
                        I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

                        Comment


                          Booked, GL, No need to escrow.

                          Will accept new 1c coins only

                          Comment


                            Every perceived edge has to be taken? that way lies madness and a proper degen problem IMO. Also modelling it accurately would take way more time and effort than you are going get paid for.
                            Turning millions into thousands

                            Comment


                              Anyone got the text of Kimmage's article in the Sindo today?
                              Turning millions into thousands

                              Comment


                                Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post
                                Every perceived edge has to be taken? that way lies madness and an proper degen problem IMO. Also modelling it accurately would take way more time and effort than you are going get paid for.
                                It should take you about 5 mins to model it pretty accurately - I got exactly the same odds as mellor and did it whilst playing poker and watching foundation.

                                Comment


                                  Originally posted by Hectorjelly View Post

                                  It should take you about 5 mins to model it pretty accurately - I got exactly the same odds as mellor and did it whilst playing poker and watching foundation.
                                  Guessed that when Mellor posted it this morn.

                                  So you were hustling then?
                                  I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

                                  Comment


                                    Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                    A Trans-Tasman final. Boo-urns.

                                    Will be funking NZ hard on Sunday, after we smash them Saturday.

                                    8/1 the double.
                                    Let's get this done, hard part is out of the way.
                                    "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

                                    Comment


                                      Originally posted by Lazare View Post

                                      Guessed that when Mellor posted it this morn.

                                      So you were hustling then?
                                      That depends on your interpretation of hustling.

                                      15 to 1 was my initial offer, I would have gone a lot lower!

                                      Comment


                                        Originally posted by Hectorjelly View Post

                                        It should take you about 5 mins to model it pretty accurately - I got exactly the same odds as mellor and did it whilst playing poker and watching foundation.
                                        And how much did you get on
                                        Turning millions into thousands

                                        Comment


                                          Originally posted by Hectorjelly View Post

                                          That depends on your interpretation of hustling.

                                          15 to 1 was my initial offer, I would have gone a lot lower!
                                          Haha, you got a bit greedy. You may have caught one with 10s.

                                          I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

                                          Comment


                                            Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post
                                            Anyone got the text of Kimmage's article in the Sindo today?
                                            SPOILER


                                            A raid led by the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (DAFM) led to substances that are banned for use in racehorses being seized in Monasterevin, County Kildare on Tuesday.

                                            The premises are understood to be the location from where a well-known British-based equine therapist operates, and there were horses in training present on the site during the raid.

                                            It is understood the individual concerned is not a veterinary practitioner, but is someone who specialises in tendon and muscle problems and is commonly used by trainers across the spectrum in both Ireland and Britain. They have in the past been credited for getting some star horses back on track following leg problems.

                                            The person involved, who did not want to comment when contacted yesterday, has also been used by high-profile participants in other equine disciplines and is a practitioner who has been operating on horses in Ireland and Britain for around 30 years . . .

                                            The raid was led by DAFM, which, it is understood, had four officials there, along with three gardaí. During the inspection the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board was contacted and invited to attend, and a four-strong delegation led by chief veterinary officer Dr Lynn Hillyer subsequently arrived.

                                            It is understood two licenced trainers were on the premises, both of whom arrived after the department and gardaí, but before the IHRB. On arrival, the IHRB, which has jurisdiction over unlicensed premises since gaining authorised officer status last summer, then elected to take hair and blood samples from both of those trainers’ horses . . .

                                            It is understood they were both there with horses with tendon issues and believe themselves to be inadvertently caught up in the situation and innocent of any wrongdoing.

                                            The therapist was questioned at the site and their phone and vehicle were seized along with unlicensed remedies, before they were then taken to their Irish place of residence. The raid is believed to have come about based on intelligence following a tip off.

                                            Racing Post,

                                            Thursday, November 11






                                            Sign Up




                                            I’m sitting in a room listening to a conversation recorded seven months ago, between John Warwick, the above-named “therapist”, talking to a man who won’t be named. They are discussing a subject that nobody wants to talk about.

                                            The man who won’t be named has believed for some time that the use of performance enhancing drugs is endemic in Irish racing.

                                            Warwick is the man questioned by gardaí on Tuesday at Ballintogher Stud near Monasterevin. He told the Racing Post late last night that he has “certainly contravened the rules”, but that “there is nothing [in the substances seized] that would fail a dope test.” Here’s how the telephone conversation started.

                                            Q: Are you based in Ireland or do you work in the UK?

                                            A: I was in Ireland for many years courtesy of Coolmore . . . It’s a long story . . . I do a lot of work in Ireland, I’m actually based in Scotland. I have a house in Scotland. But I moved to Ireland 20-odd years ago, and recently came back to Scotland.

                                            Q: Why did you come back?

                                            A: Well, it’s something to do with me being in my mid-70s (laughs). I still have a house in Ireland, but now I just have a clinic every couple of weeks, a two or three-day clinic and it’s just unbelievable.

                                            Q: What do you mean?

                                            A: Unbelievably busy. The last time . . . I had the first patient at 9:30am and we had a horse every 35 to 40 minutes until 7pm without a break. We never stopped.

                                            Q: Is this just one yard?

                                            A: That is the clinic . . . but for attendant treatments they’re resident.

                                            Q: What do you mean? When they’re staying with you for a few days?

                                            A: Yes, 10 days. Tendons need to be . . . well, the way we do the tendon treatment.

                                            Q: So these horses basically have tendon injuries that you’re treating? Tendon strains?

                                            A: All things physical, that’s what we do. I don’t do any surgery. Everything we do is physical. We don’t use . . . well, for instance, I know one of the most popular drugs on the market is Dormosedan (laughs).

                                            Q: What is that?

                                            A: It’s what they tend to dope them with to carry out an examination . . . We don’t use it, because if a horse is slightly sedated how are you going to find a physical problem? We do our work through biomechanics . . . muscle in motion. I could keep going but it’s boring.

                                            Q: Do you still work with Coolmore?

                                            A: I still do some work with Coolmore. I do a lot of yearling work. We’ll see the yearlings shortly after weaning and they’ll be introduced to me again if there’s a problem on prep, or on the way through prep, then I’ll be called in. I’m usually there every second week from April.

                                            Q: Why then?

                                            A: Well, the foals have been weaned and they are then scrutinised in their action.

                                            Here’s when it got interesting:

                                            Q: So what you’re saying is that quite a lot of these horses that would go lame behind, or lose their action, or [suffer] intermittent lameness . . . that there’s a different issue involved that’s often missed or misdiagnosed. A muscular thing?

                                            A: Absolutely.

                                            Q: How do you sort that though? How do you turn that around without just giving them a lot of rest?

                                            A: First you’ve got to identify the problem, eliminate the discomfort, so that the muscle can be used by the patient. Then you’ve controlled exercise so [the muscle] is not overused until you have achieved restimulation through work. You can make it pain free, that’s easy — although I hate steroids and don’t use them — but you can make it pain free, (and then) you’re moving the exercise rate up as the repair takes place.

                                            Q: But can you give them something to make this better? Or is it just diagnosing the problem and changing the exercise regime.

                                            A: The first thing is to get the diagnostics right, and once you’ve got that right . . . I mean . . . I have my own way of dealing with it. We’ll work a horse up the yard and have the trainer or owner looking at it and [I’ll say]: ‘Look at the swing motion? See how he’s slightly out?’ Then I’ll go ahead and take the horse to a stable and do what I’ve got to do. I’ll bring him out and literally 10 minutes after he’s come out [I’ll say] ‘Have a look at him now.’

                                            Q: And they can see the difference?

                                            A: It’s, ‘My God!’

                                            Q: So when you say ‘You do what you have to do?’ What do mean? How do you actually physically make an impact on this horse so quickly?

                                            A: [Laughs] We put a product in there that lowers the neuroblasts.

                                            Q: That lowers the neuroblasts?

                                            A: Yeah.

                                            Q: So what’s that?

                                            A: Well, that’s another story.

                                            Q: What do you mean? How did you discover that?

                                            A: [Laughs]

                                            Q: It sounds like a Nobel Prize winning thing? What is it?

                                            A: No, it’s not rocket science. I spent quite a lot of time in the [United] States when I was a little bit younger, and I learned a lot of things there which are not really used here. They have products that we don’t have, can’t have, are not supposed to have, whatever you want to call it. But I like horses, and if I can help them I will. You know? And there is a product that can help you in that respect.

                                            Q: But is it legal? Or are you saying that it’s not a licenced product? That it’s not legal in the UK?

                                            A: It’s totally legal and passes all dope tests. Whether it’s legal to use it in the UK is another story, but it’s not illegal to have and it doesn’t fail any dope tests.

                                            Q: But it’s stood the test of time and you’ve used it for quite a while?

                                            A: A long time.

                                            Here’s what happened next . . .




                                            * * * * *




                                            Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the 12, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him: “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them: “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

                                            John 20:24-29




                                            The man who won’t be named has always been a ‘Thomas’ by nature, and there was a lot about his conversation that left him scratching his head. John Warwick talked forever but seemed averse to publicity: “Horses come in [to the clinic] but we do not publish their names. That’s between the owner, trainer and the clinic.”

                                            He had no letters attached to his name, or obvious qualification, but had taught at the University of Nottingham, worked with academics in Edinburgh, and set-up a postgraduate course for veterinary surgeons at the University of Liverpool . . . despite being “never interested” in surgery.”

                                            But it was the language he used about medication that puzzled him most. Back to the phonecall.

                                            Q: What other stuff do you use? Is it just one thing?

                                            A: The neuroblast control is not one product — it’s a special little cocktail. What are you going to use on say . . . post-race discomfort, which loses you maybe 10 days before he’s trainable again. Give them a shot of Buscopan or something? It’s not good enough, is it? So there’s ways around all that.

                                            Q: So what you’re saying is; after they’ve had a run, to get them to recover better, if you give them a mode of cocktail then, you’ll have the best chance that they’ll recover relatively quickly and be able to go again?

                                            A: Yeah, for instance, in the States, if the horse has a proper hard day, you know as soon as they walk into the stable the head lad will be there giving them a shot.

                                            Q: A shot of what?

                                            A: Well, a muscle calming agent. He’s certainly not going to run in the next five or six days so [the trainer’s] not going to give a shit. And the next morning the horse wants his breakfast.

                                            Q: So what you’re saying is this is a technically illegal substance that they can’t test positive for?

                                            A: No, that substance [will] not pass a dope test. It’s six days before you can present [the horse] for a dope test. But in America they licence so many products that relate to the physical aspect where in Britain and Ireland some of these products are not licenced. I’m not saying there aren’t surgeons out there that wouldn’t use them when their patient was in dire need . . . because I know there is (laughs). And I don’t see anything wrong with that.

                                            Q: Do you think [Irish trainers] are giving pharmacological help as well?

                                            A: (laughs) That’s not for me to say.

                                            Q: Do you speculate that they might?

                                            A: I don’t know . . . I’ll say one thing. What I did discover in Ireland quite early on . . . there isn’t a single yard that I’ve ever been on in 30 years that doesn’t have a head lad or someone that isn’t good with a needle. They don’t need to phone the vet to give the horse an IV.




                                            The man who won’t be named made another phonecall. He hired a private investigator. A few months later, he received a dossier in the post. Ballintogher Stud, a five-minute drive from Monasterevin, was owned by Ballintogher Stud Limited, a limited liability company incorporated in the state of Maryland, USA. The directors of Ballintogher Stud are listed as Stephanie Ocsko-Moore, a 42-year-old Canadian and her partner, Thomas Joseph Comerford, a 47-year-old Head Lad with Aidan O’Brien.

                                            Fifty-six horse boxes had visited the clinic that summer:

                                            Date 15/6/21: Horseboxes 13 (Unbranded 13, Branded 0)

                                            Date 29/6/21: Horseboxes 10 (Unbranded 7, Branded - Peter Fahey, Noel C Kelly)

                                            Date 13/7/21: Horseboxes 12 (Unbranded 12, Branded 0)

                                            Date 27/7/21: Horseboxes 10, (Unbranded 10, Branded 0)

                                            Date 31/8/21: Horseboxes 11 (Unbranded 8, Branded 2 - Jessica Harrington, Enda Bolger)

                                            The man who won’t be named sent everything to the authorities.




                                            * * * * *

                                            Ted Walsh has known John Warwick for 25 years. “He’s very good with tendons,” he says. “He has a laser machine there and knows how to work well, so if you have a slight tendon tear, and the vet says ‘give it eight months and it will be fine’ he might get you back on the track in four.”

                                            It was a tendon problem that brought Walsh to Ballintogher on Tuesday. “I went down to get a horse scanned (for a tendon problem),” he says. “I rang him at 11 o’clock and said, ‘Where are you?’ He said: ‘I’m down in the clinic.’ I said: ‘I have a horse here will you have a look at him?’ He said: ‘I will. Come on down.’

                                            “I arrived at maybe 11.30, 11.40. . . . I drove into the yard and there were a couple of boxes there I didn’t know. He was standing by his car with a whole lot of fellows with masks on around him and a guard came down to me. He said: ‘I know who you are but I have to ask your name.’ I said: ‘Grand. Ted Walsh’ and he says: ‘What are you here for?’ I said: ‘I’m here to get a tendon scanned and to see the prognosis.’ So he says: ‘Fine. Will you stay in the box until I come back to you.’ So I was there for about three-quarters of an hour and nothing happened. So I got out and [John Warwick] was still up at the car and I asked one of the men, ‘Can I go?’

                                            “He said: “Nobody can go until we say so. This place is under warranty. We’re searching for . . .’ what he called contraband, but I’m sure it was unlicensed remedies is what I heard after. So I went back to the car and Liam Burke [a trainer from Mallow] arrived while I was there, and somebody else I didn’t know.

                                            “Then Lynn Hillyer [of the IHRB] arrived and said she wanted to test all the horses before anyone left. I said ‘grand’ and waited my turn, and I took the horse out of the box and she took four samples of blood off him, and took a hair sample. Then she says: ‘You can go now, Ted.’ I said: ‘Thanks, Lynn’.”

                                            Things were a bit more complicated for Burke, who had a horse — Samos Island — running at Fairyhouse that afternoon stood down by the stewards.

                                            “Well, basically I was being a good Samaritan,” he says. “I am not a client of [Warwick]. He doesn’t treat any of my horses. I was asked by a friend to drop a horse off there on my way to Fairyhouse, which I duly did, and the Department of Agriculture were there.

                                            “Lynn Hillyer was there and wouldn’t allow the horse run because I’d driven in to a restricted premises, or whatever you want to call it, so I was just a victim of circumstance on the day.”

                                            On Friday, we called the four trainers whose branded horseboxes were photographed at the clinic during the summer.




                                            * * * * *

                                            Jessica Harrington trains at Moone in Co Kildare.

                                            “I’m writing a piece about John Warwick for Sunday.”

                                            “Yes.”

                                            “I believe you’ve known and been using him for a long time?”

                                            “I’ve used him to do my horses’ tendons. He’s good at doing tendons. And that’s all I’ve used him for.”

                                            “Are you still using him?”

                                            “I had a horse there the other day. Yes, I am still using him. And that does not involve any drugs — it’s a laser, a much more unintrusive form of treating tendons.”

                                            “I’m sure you know about the raid and what was found?”

                                            “I know about the raid, but when you do a tendon operation on a horse it’s nothing to do with drugs.”

                                            “But they found drugs in the raid?”

                                            “That has nothing to do with what my horse was having done to it. I just don’t like this attitude — if there’s drugs there they must have been used. The horses that I sent there went down to have the laser treatment, which takes literally about two minutes. The horse is then hosed and walked for two days and then they come back to me.”

                                            “I accept that, but it’s not too long ago that you were questioning Jim Bolger about bringing up the issue of drugs in Irish racing, and here we have a raid where a load of unlicensed drugs have been found?”

                                            “I was away when this happened. I haven’t talked to anyone about it. As far as I’m concerned [Warwick] has dealt with my horses for tendon injuries. And that’s it. And that does not involve drugs.”




                                            * * * * *

                                            Enda Bolger trains at Bruree in Co Limerick.

                                            “I’m writing a piece about John Warwick.”

                                            “Oh, right, yes.”

                                            “What do you know about him?”

                                            “He used to do work down in Limerick years ago but I don’t think he has any letters after his name or anything . . . Everything was done with his hands when we used to use him . . . I’d say it was 20 years ago.”

                                            “You haven’t used him since?”

                                            “Oh Jesus! He’s out of our system a long time.”

                                            “I’m just looking at a photo here of your horsebox in his yard.”

                                            “Of my horsebox?”

                                            “Yeah, a couple of months ago.”

                                            “Oh for f**k’s sake!”

                                            “August 31.”

                                            “It was probably one of the girls that work for me. She must have had an event horse or something like that. But I definitely don’t use him for the racehorses.”

                                            “So it was one of the girls?”

                                            “I’d say so, yeah.”

                                            “You don’t know anything about it?”

                                            “I don’t know anything about it.”




                                            * * * * *

                                            Noel C Kelly trains at Draperstown in Co Derry.

                                            “I’m writing a piece about John Warwick.”

                                            “Yeah.”

                                            “Do you know him?”

                                            “Jesus, I wouldn’t know much about him.”

                                            “Do you use him?”

                                            “No.”

                                            “You’ve never used him?”

                                            “No, no.”

                                            “I’m looking at a photograph of your horsebox in his yard in June?”

                                            “What yard?”

                                            “The one that was raided the other day?”

                                            “No, I never heard tell of it.”

                                            “So you don’t know what your horsebox was doing there?”

                                            “Jeeze I don’t know nothing about that.”




                                            *****

                                            Peter Fahey trains at Monasterevin in Co Kildare.

                                            “I’m writing a piece about John Warwick.”

                                            “Oh yeah.”

                                            “Do you know him?”

                                            “I don’t. to be honest.”

                                            “You’ve never used him?”

                                            “I’ve no comment.”

                                            “You’ve no comment?”

                                            “No, I don’t know anything about him.”

                                            “So you’ve never used him?”

                                            “No.”

                                            “I’ve a photograph here of your horsebox driving into his clinic.”

                                            “You’ve what?”

                                            “I’m looking at a photograph of one of your horseboxes driving into his clinic.”

                                            “My horsebox?”

                                            “Yeah. June 29.”

                                            “Send it on to me, will yeh?”

                                            “You don’t know anything about it?”

                                            “Just send it on to me and I’ll know who was driving it.”

                                            I send him a copy of the photo.

                                            He doesn’t reply.




                                            * * * * *

                                            We also placed a call to Aidan O’Brien.

                                            “I’m writing a piece on John Warwick. He says he worked for you?”

                                            “Listen, between you and I . . .”

                                            “No, we’re on the record Aidan. He says he worked for you.”

                                            “He worked for Jim Ryan, an owner that we had.”

                                            “So he didn’t work for you?”

                                            “He definitely didn’t work for me.”

                                            “He says he still works for Coolmore?”

                                            “Listen, that’s the first I’ve heard of that. I wouldn’t know anything about him working for Coolmore.”

                                            “The raid took place at Ballintogher Stud. A director of Ballintogher Stud is TJ Comerford, your Head Lad.”

                                            “That’s the first I’ve heard of that.”

                                            “That’s where they found the banned products . . . For two years now it’s been owned by TJ Comerford and a lady called Stephanie Ocsko-Moore.”

                                            “Yeah . . . that’s TJ’s girlfriend. They had a baby recently.”

                                            “You didn’t know that was the yard they did the raid?”

                                            “No, I didn’t.”

                                            “Do you have a number for TJ?”

                                            “I do, of course.”

                                            “Would you mind texting it to me please?”




                                            * * * * *

                                            TJ Comerford was expecting my call. “I know what you’re ringing me for,” he says.

                                            “Okay, go on.”

                                            “Well, you ask the questions.”

                                            “You’re a director of Ballintogher Stud?”

                                            “Myself and Stephanie bought it, I suppose, two years ago. We didn’t know what we were going to do with it but at the time we bought it [Warwick] was working out of here, so we kept it the same . . . I don’t know how long he has been coming here. I don’t deal with him. He pays for the use of the place. He treats horses here. People come every Tuesday and Wednesday.”

                                            “Were you there on Tuesday?”

                                            “No, I was working.”

                                            “How do you feel about the raid?”

                                            “I don’t know what’s happened. What has he done? I don’t know if he’s done anything wrong. I personally have no say in what he does or doesn’t do. It’s not my business.”

                                            “And no one has spoken to you about it?”

                                            “No.”



                                            Gone full 'Glinner' since June 2022.

                                            Comment


                                              Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post
                                              Every perceived edge has to be taken? that way lies madness and an proper degen problem IMO. Also modelling it accurately would take way more time and effort than you are going get paid for.
                                              Took very little time to work out. No complex modelling. I did it manually with my phone. But if you had a scientific calculator (or googled one) it would have taken under a minute.

                                              Comment


                                                Originally posted by Mellor View Post
                                                Took very little time to work out. No complex modelling. I did it manually with my phone. But if you had a scientific calculator (or googled one) it would have taken under a minute.
                                                Will have a good LOL with the regs who play with Gareth at the very idea of factoring anything involving him into a scientific calculator

                                                Actually he took a bit of a sickener running his AK into the AT isolation all in of a horrible stack size that crippled him UL GG WP

                                                But yeah, the numbers are straightforward, the point I'm getting at is that a small edge in a liquid market >>>>> a big edge in an one where you can't get paid.
                                                Turning millions into thousands

                                                Comment


                                                  Down to less than 100 in the WSOP ME. There is a guy called Rigby playing who is just on another planet of crazy for this stage of the tournament. Raising any two and bombing left and right. UTG opens to 100k. UTG+1 3 bets to 325. Rigby next to act cold calls the 325k with 3,2 (It is sooted). Another player behind shoves for 1.1m and folds back around to the 3 bettor who shoves for 1.5ish. Rigby calls it off with the 3,2. He doesn't get there but his friends later explain that the 3,2 sooted is called the Diaper and the 3,2 off is called the dirty diaper and it always gets played in cardrooms back in Pennsylvania so it is in the range all the time. He is still one of the chip leaders and should make this year one fun to watch down the stretch.

                                                  Comment


                                                    Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                    Let's get this done, hard part is out of the way.
                                                    NZ put up 172 as the target. Perfectly set up.
                                                    "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

                                                    Comment


                                                      Pray for poor PSV, by my reckoning he should get about 40% of the way into that article Collie linked and die of overwhelming multiple orgasms

                                                      Comment


                                                        Originally posted by Pat Mustard View Post

                                                        Lunar power was available at 4s last night when I looked, got on at 7/4 ffs. A friends horse runs in the last race (he's in the syndicate)..The Big Doyen..they are hopeful
                                                        Impressive

                                                        Comment


                                                          Originally posted by Pat Mustard View Post

                                                          Lunar power was available at 4s last night when I looked, got on at 7/4 ffs. A friends horse runs in the last race (he's in the syndicate)..The Big Doyen..they are hopeful
                                                          Boom! That was most impressive. Will be hard to turn down some of the offers that will be incoming.
                                                          Turning millions into thousands

                                                          Comment


                                                            Originally posted by MysteryGuest View Post
                                                            Fair play to the rugby crowd keeping there kids under control today - different class
                                                            Oh right

                                                            Comment


                                                              Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post

                                                              Boom! That was most impressive. Will be hard to turn down some of the offers that will be incoming.
                                                              Delighted for them. Lads have been unlucky with the few horses they've had before. I do know they got a pretty nice offer from a big owner after the Roscommon win which they turned down.
                                                              Jayzus, Sheila! I forgot me feckin' trousers

                                                              Comment


                                                                Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                NZ put up 172 as the target. Perfectly set up.
                                                                Bah. AUS crushing the run chase and cruising to victory. Would have been a nice double.
                                                                "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

                                                                Comment


                                                                  Would be horrible if Lewis got a puncture...
                                                                  This too shall pass.

                                                                  Comment


                                                                    Dopesick final episode comes out this week. Miniseries on the opioid crisis and in particular the Sackler family who created OxyCotin. It feels a little contrived in places but overall it is fantastic and Michael Keaton puts in a stellar performance as one of the leads. You understand that in many instances it is profit before people but this story because of the scale feels so grim to think about and the fact the family still remains one of the riches in the world, having faced little in the way of retribution is blood boiling.

                                                                    Comment


                                                                      Making Eamokoftas as we speak.

                                                                      I found this bag of pure gold in the Asian shop that I mix in with the lamb mince. It's called 'Lebanese 7 spice'

                                                                      Cooking aromas and taste are next level.

                                                                      Do them on the Weber, the smell coming off it would have you dancing.
                                                                      I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

                                                                      Comment


                                                                        Oh in case Dom thinks I've changed and become more normal with my dining time, I'm only shaping the mince now. Will eat in about 40 mins.
                                                                        I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

                                                                        Comment


                                                                          Hey Lao, how was Note Bar?

                                                                          Did you like my blinds?

                                                                          I hope you spent a few bob, fucker hasn't paid me yet and is crying poor mouth.
                                                                          I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

                                                                          Comment


                                                                            I wonder did Ronaldo give his jersey to some celebrating Serbian kid.

                                                                            Comment


                                                                              Originally posted by dobby View Post

                                                                              Oh right

                                                                              Oh great this is going to become a thing now is it? Ffs someone should have spear tackled him
                                                                              Will you ever fuck off with that shite... you are easily one of the worst posters on here for this-Pokerhand

                                                                              Comment


                                                                                Originally posted by Dice75 View Post
                                                                                Pray for poor PSV, by my reckoning he should get about 40% of the way into that article Collie linked and die of overwhelming multiple orgasms
                                                                                skipped over it as looks like a TLDR but will give it a spin now
                                                                                horeracing being completely bent is just kind of priced in now right? Like people don’t really care
                                                                                Will you ever fuck off with that shite... you are easily one of the worst posters on here for this-Pokerhand

                                                                                Comment


                                                                                  PSV, just discovered this, recorded two days ago. First I've heard of the new album live

                                                                                  ​​​​​​
                                                                                  I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

                                                                                  Comment


                                                                                    Originally posted by Lazare View Post
                                                                                    Making Eamokoftas as we speak.

                                                                                    I found this bag of pure gold in the Asian shop that I mix in with the lamb mince. It's called 'Lebanese 7 spice'

                                                                                    Cooking aromas and taste are next level.

                                                                                    Do them on the Weber, the smell coming off it would have you dancing.
                                                                                    Have you the link handy for that again?

                                                                                    Comment


                                                                                      Originally posted by Keane View Post

                                                                                      Have you the link handy for that again?
                                                                                      Here ya go bro..



                                                                                      I've tweaked it a bit over time, but the original is stunning.

                                                                                      Cherry tomatoes work better in the Israeli salad, unless you're in Israel, with their tomatoes.
                                                                                      I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

                                                                                      Comment


                                                                                        Down to 70 in the ME. Chris got a nice pot to give him life and is up to 3.5m ish with blinds 50/100k.

                                                                                        Currently, 100k ilocked up in the payouts.

                                                                                        Edit - He is currently at the feature table on Poker Go.
                                                                                        Last edited by Opr; 15-11-21, 00:32.

                                                                                        Comment


                                                                                          He's just gone in 66th.
                                                                                          Committed most of his stack raising ATo and called off a re-raise from QQ.
                                                                                          Nice run sir.

                                                                                          Comment


                                                                                            Irish influencers need to up their game. Vogue? Pippa?....

                                                                                            Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

                                                                                            Comment


                                                                                              Wouldn't mind seeing the outfit she'd wear to a wedding though
                                                                                              "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

                                                                                              Comment


                                                                                                That can't be real, can it?


                                                                                                Comment


                                                                                                  Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
                                                                                                  Irish influencers need to up their game. Vogue? Pippa?....

                                                                                                  Mortica Adam's did it all the time

                                                                                                  Anyone done a stiffy joke yet ?

                                                                                                  Comment


                                                                                                    Originally posted by ionapaul View Post
                                                                                                    That can't be real, can it?
                                                                                                    "It's what Dad would have wanted"

                                                                                                    "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

                                                                                                    Comment


                                                                                                      Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                                                      "It's what Dad would have wanted"

                                                                                                      Probably meant Dads.
                                                                                                      Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

                                                                                                      Comment


                                                                                                        "What do you think is the biggest challenge in this role"

                                                                                                        "Well nobody has ever written a book called 'Help I'm a public sector body that is changing too much' "

                                                                                                        Knocked it out of the park in my internal interview, I feel. The classic wordplay that academia so loves.
                                                                                                        "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

                                                                                                        Comment


                                                                                                          Originally posted by DeeBrown View Post
                                                                                                          He's just gone in 66th.
                                                                                                          Committed most of his stack raising ATo and called off a re-raise from QQ.
                                                                                                          Nice run sir.
                                                                                                          Unlucky, great run.

                                                                                                          I see Rigby is gone too. I am not sure how he exited but he did play this hand before his exit.

                                                                                                          sb v bb. sb raises to 350. bb 3 bets to 950 (Rigby). sb makes it 3m to go. Rigby calls. Flop is A44. sb checks and Rigby bets 3m. sb folds and shows KK. Rigby tables the 3, 2 off

                                                                                                          I think that pot made him chip leader of the entire thing at the time.

                                                                                                          Comment


                                                                                                            That's up there with the clonmel nuts
                                                                                                            ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿

                                                                                                            Comment


                                                                                                              How do we feel about the idea of watching Dexter from the beginning - an important life journey, or one that will surely lead to disappointment?

                                                                                                              The show rating is ridiculously high (8.6), but I seem to have passed it by back when it was cool due to having too much to watch back then.
                                                                                                              "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

                                                                                                              Comment


                                                                                                                I was somewhat interested in the WSOP when there was an Irish interest Not sure I give a toss now. . The luck o the Irish is an annoying expression. Has anyone had Jamie Gold like run good ? I think Andy Black had a chance one year but had a few brain farts .

                                                                                                                Comment


                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                                                                  How do we feel about the idea of watching Dexter from the beginning - an important life journey, or one that will surely lead to disappointment?

                                                                                                                  The show rating is ridiculously high (8.6), but I seem to have passed it by back when it was cool due to having too much to watch back then.
                                                                                                                  It started great, but went really downhill. the last season was appalling iirc. so yes, it will lead to disappointment

                                                                                                                  Comment


                                                                                                                    Originally posted by shrapnel View Post

                                                                                                                    It started great, but went really downhill. the last season was appalling iirc. so yes, it will lead to disappointment
                                                                                                                    Agreed...that last season...wow. Then again...I would nearly watch it just for the earlier ones maybe? Just ignore the final season.

                                                                                                                    I must have tried to watch The Expanse 3 or 4 times over the years but can never really get into it, hearing its very good though so might try again.

                                                                                                                    Considering i watched Another Life a few weeks back, i really should be able to watch anything. Such classics like the ship is going to crash and i have an alien insect in my brain, next scene, all sitting around a table saying that was close...no explanation or context as to what happened.
                                                                                                                    This too shall pass.

                                                                                                                    Comment


                                                                                                                      I feel like there must be an optimal point to quit shows like that and just pretend it was cancelled in your head. Like the way they only made one Matrix movie even though it was ripe for a trilogy.
                                                                                                                      "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

                                                                                                                      Comment


                                                                                                                        Or there was only 6 seasons of Game Of Thrones for some reason. Mad they didn't make more, it was so good up to then.
                                                                                                                        "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

                                                                                                                        Comment


                                                                                                                          Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View Post
                                                                                                                          Or there was only 6 seasons of Game Of Thrones for some reason. Mad they didn't make more, it was so good up to then.
                                                                                                                          I remember thinking how Prison Break was pretty much the perfect one season & done show when they all got on John Abruzzi's plane as planned at the end.

                                                                                                                          Comment

                                                                                                                          Working...
                                                                                                                          X