Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Wordle Gummidge

[rounders123]

That bridge overlooking Chapelizod is mad. Chapelizod could be sacked from that bridge alone. Depending on the vigourish of the Chaplizod inhabitants,

[Lao Lao]

I'm watching celebrity Masterchef and while I'm all for diversity, equality and all that jazz, they've a bleedin' blind lad on this episode. They are currently in a professional kitchen, how would they even get insurance from a production point of view for that.

I'm sorry Masterchef, you've gone too far, just too far.

[DeadParrot]

That bridge overlooking Chapelizod is mad. Chapelizod could be sacked from that bridge alone. Depending on the vigourish of the Chaplizod inhabitants,

Chapelizod is a garrison village housing many secrets. Invade at your peril.

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[ArmaniJeans]

She's been on Cats Does Countdown a few times and I've just (with some guilt) had to skip through her segments each time. Find her unwatchable. I don't think it's particularly funny either the odd time that I've listened for 10 seconds. If she is fundamentally funny at some level then surely script-writing would be an easier gig.

[ArmaniJeans]

Would recommend Staged with David Tennant and Michael Sheen.
Very much a covid19 comedy with the thin premise of an attempt to keep rehearsals for a play going during lockdown.
But really just an excuse for some The Trip style scripted banter via zoom between the lads and various other characters.
6 x 15 minute episodes so not a huge time commitment.

[Solksjaer!]

Sometimes it pays to have a dodgy mug. Running in the dark in the park and a few menacing types giving me the wide berth . Perhaps they thought I was suffering enough .. Great time of the day for a wee jog . I'm happy enough in this weather , not one for the hot summers .

[Hectorjelly]

I'm watching celebrity Masterchef and while I'm all for diversity, equality and all that jazz, they've a bleedin' blind lad on this episode. They are currently in a professional kitchen, how would they even get insurance from a production point of view for that.

I'm sorry Masterchef, you've gone too far, just too far.

I'm not a racist but...<insert something very racist>

Equality means doing things that may seem uncomfortable to you.

[Opr]

Woop ship the $500 ticket to the ME super sat on Sunday. Posting cause there was an extremely funny end to the sat. 9 places paid and 11 left. There is a 6, 4, and 11 bb stack on the other table. Everyone on my table is 20+ bb. An orbit ago I ship 99 on the button into a guy who at the time had 60bb and can fold to a ticket but no light is on and he calls me off with A8 in the bb. I hold thank fuck. So guy UTG has been shipping with impunity for the lol's I think knowing no one on our table can call. He ships it UTG not realizing the same guy who is in the bb doesn't seem to know it is a satellite and gets called by A10 and busts with Q2 just as another guy busts on the other table leaving that table with a few less than 10bb stacks in the tickets.

Sorry for the boring poker updates. Just couldn't stop laughing.

[Hectorjelly]

Interesting to think about what is going to happen in America. Will they have to shut down completely again? Or will they just suck it up and see how bad things get. I'd also like to hear if Danny is still convinced Trump is doing a good job. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/o...-shutdown.html

[DeadParrot]

Major shitstorm brewing as twitter is hacked.
All blue checked accounts blocked from posting while they sort it out.
Gates, Obama, Biden, Kanye, bitcoin, Soros, Buffett,Uber,Musk etc all hit

[ComradeCollie]

I was kinda thinking the same about the comedian at about 1:15 here in the same 'job doesn't fit', who has been on Mock the Week a few times. I just really don't get it. Maybe what she is saying is fundamentally funny but ultimately its just not funny it's really sad. Now I felt bad about thinking this so maybe someone could talk some sense into me on this.

She's been on a few years now. I initially assumed I'd get used to her way of speaking after a while, much like you do with Scottish people. Hasn't happened though.

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[Goodluck2me]

I'm not a racist but...<insert something very racist>

Equality means doing things that may seem uncomfortable to you.

No equality means people with equal ability shouldn’t be prevented from opportunities due to irrelevant factors like skin colour/sex/sexual orientation. etc. things that have no impact on your ability do a job, to be a newsreader/lawyer/milkman etc. it doesn’t mean give every part of a society a small piece of every job just to fill quotas. Would you encourage nightclubs to hire more people in wheelchairs as bouncers?

[Strewelpeter]

I've seen her on Dara O'Briain's show and she's no less funny and just about as intelligible as the average comic they have on it.

[Guest]

I'm not a racist but...<insert something very racist>

Equality means doing things that may seem uncomfortable to you.

Can’t tell if you’re taking the piss here or not
for a start blindness isn’t an ethnicity

[Dice75]

No equality means people with equal ability shouldn’t be prevented from opportunities due to irrelevant factors like skin colour/sex/sexual orientation. etc. things that have no impact on your ability do a job, to be a newsreader/lawyer/milkman etc. it doesn’t mean give every part of a society a small piece of every job just to fill quotas. Would you encourage nightclubs to hire more people in wheelchairs as bouncers?

Equality for all i say. We should do IPB equality for all submissions. I'll start with a few I'm familiar from here....

SICKPUPPY for Taoiseach / HJ for Tanaiste
jbravado for Central Bank Governor
PSV for IRFU CEO
RDIII for the top job at Bord Iascaigh Mhara

[Guest]

All those panel shows like mock the week are absolutely terrible, you can tell all the comedians loath each other also. Current batch amid British comedians are very unlikeable

[Guest]

Speaking of rugby haven’t enjoyed a podcast recently as much as the second captains one I heard yesterday with Shane Horgan about how fucked rugby is due to the pandemic. Really heartwarming stuff

[Hectorjelly]

Not taking the piss, it was two separate sentences.

[Hectorjelly]

No equality means people with equal ability shouldn’t be prevented from opportunities due to irrelevant factors like skin colour/sex/sexual orientation. etc. things that have no impact on your ability do a job, to be a newsreader/lawyer/milkman etc.

Nope, that's a very narrow view on equality, narrow to the point of being incorrect.

[Raoul Duke III]

Just catching up on news for first time in a week or so.

Clearly someone had the goods on Cowen (who seems to be the kind of tool who is excellent at making enemies) and had the discipline to sit and wait in the long grass until the most optimal moment to make the kompromat public.

WP sir (or madam). A classic political knifing. Which also makes FF look like the clueless amateurs they so evidently are. Perfect.

[Raoul Duke III]

RDIII for the top job at Bord Iascaigh Mhara

I'd take that.

[ArmaniJeans]

All those panel shows like mock the week are absolutely terrible, you can tell all the comedians loath each other also. Current batch amid British comedians are very unlikeable

I always think the opposite, seems to me to be genuine camaraderie between lots of them.
Coupled with genuine amazement that they can move their shtick via about 15 different shows on BBC2, C4 and Dave and earn a fortune in the process.
Give an example of a few who hate each other, and I'll look out for it.

[Strewelpeter]

RDIII for the top job at Bord Iascaigh Mhara

I used to work in their building out in Dun Laoghaire and I was always in awe of the head man there, the absolute stone cold nuts of a cushy number.

Wasn't just the CEO, he was a very impressive guy but there were a dozen of other fckrs coming in out of the place with an air of smugness and self satisfaction that only comes from that feeling of having already died and gone to heaven

[Solksjaer!]

Nope, that's a very narrow view on equality, narrow to the point of being incorrect.

You views are admirable and yet you can insult in total ignorance yourself. It just dont add up Mr Jelly.

Save the verbage . The likes of me have a great memory :-p

[Lao Lao]

I'm not a racist but...<insert something very racist>

Equality means doing things that may seem uncomfortable to you.

Was wondering how long it would take for you to ride into the thread on horseback, fully suited up in a new shiny suit of armour, ready to leave these shores to fight a battle in a foreign country many miles away.

Sticking my penis in a cheese grater seems uncomfortable to me - Would that be equality for my mickey or the cheese grater or both?

[Denny Crane]

Nope, that's a very narrow view on equality, narrow to the point of being incorrect.

Why are you so concerned about social justice? I'm not saying its a bad thing but it went from nearly none of your posts to nearly all your posts now?

[Strewelpeter]

I always think the opposite, seems to me to be genuine camaraderie between lots of them.
Coupled with genuine amazement that they can move their shtick via about 15 different shows on BBC2, C4 and Dave and earn a fortune in the process.
Give an example of a few who hate each other, and I'll look out for it.

Rarely enough I watch it but will stay on the channel when Milton Jones is on and I always got the feeling that the rest of them don't engage with his as they do with each other. I suppose its a very different type of comedy mostly because he's actually funny!

When Paul Merton started doing Just a Minute on radio in the 90's I got a strong feeling, something very uncharacteristic of the programme, of real animosity between him and Clement Freud. I thought it might have been that Merton wasn't long in coming to absolutely own the show except the snipes were usually more biting when directed from Merton to Freud. Turns out after he died that there were a number of sinister clouds hanging around Sir Clement so I assume Merton had seen through his layers of bullshit.

[Raoul Duke III]

Why are you so concerned about social justice? I'm not saying its a bad thing but it went from nearly none of your posts to nearly all your posts now?

Lockdown

[Tar.Aldarion]

2 hours googling more or less fancy /designer face masks. Jesus what has life become... On the upside the saggy jaw line will be fixed for a measly 12 euro instead of the 10 k facelift that was to happen in June

My friend makes them if interested https://www.instagram.com/aurora_makesthings/

[Goodluck2me]

Nope, that's a very narrow view on equality, narrow to the point of being incorrect.

Feel free to expound.

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[Strewelpeter]

Popped into cardiac A&E. Two nurses, a doc, and a doc intern, immediately assigned. Not out of a sense of urgence, just that that's what they do. Seen a fair few people in worse shape being wheeled by and they've the same immediate attachment of nurse and doc support. ECG, echocardigram, blood tests, a few other minor tests done in about 10 minutes. Waiting on bloods now.

That's pretty much the way A&E care is organised here. If there is any suspicion of cardiac issues they will triage immediately doing ECG EG and bloods and have all the results ready for cardiologist within 90 mins.

Stroke care setup is even more impressive. If they think you may be having a stroke they will bring you straight to a special area right at the door where the ambulance can bring you to tests and XRay will be done and results available within 15 minutes if the stroke specialist is not on site, they will call in a specialist via video link that is all set up in the room and they will decide the type of stroke and whether the clot busting treatment is appropriate.
When I saw it in action a couple of years ago IIRC it was 70 minuted between the time we called the ambulance and he got the clotbuster.

[Hectorjelly]

Was wondering how long it would take for you to ride into the thread on horseback, fully suited up in a new shiny suit of armour, ready to leave these shores to fight a battle in a foreign country many miles away.

Sticking my penis in a cheese grater seems uncomfortable to me - Would that be equality for my mickey or the cheese grater or both?

Why so hostile? You didn't even pretend to address the point.

[Hectorjelly]

Why are you so concerned about social justice? I'm not saying its a bad thing but it went from nearly none of your posts to nearly all your posts now?

Everyone changes. Some people turn into climate change denying trump supporters, others become more socially conscious.

[Guest]

Why so hostile? You didn't even pretend to address the point.

Are you really surprised that when you go around calling everyone that doesn't agree with you racist, or racist by association, or conflate their views with racism, that they become hostile?

[Lao Lao]

Why so hostile? You didn't even pretend to address the point.

Not hostile at all - Did you make a point originally?

[AndyFatBastard]

Everyone changes. Some people turn into climate change denying trump supporters, others become more socially conscious.

Some people join cults

[ComradeCollie]

Some people join cults

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[BennyHiFi]

I'm watching celebrity Masterchef and while I'm all for diversity, equality and all that jazz, they've a bleedin' blind lad on this episode. They are currently in a professional kitchen, how would they even get insurance from a production point of view for that.

I'm sorry Masterchef, you've gone too far, just too far.

My mother was blind and was a savage in the kitchen. The lad seemed to be enjoying himself immensely and is a very impressive dude IRL who hasn't let his blindness stop him from achieving (even over achieving one might say).

I think he's a great role model for people with disability and I hope he might change the perspective of some people who aren't so exposed to what life is like when you are blind or, indeed, what is possible.

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[Strewelpeter]

Ah. Excellent. I must admit that thankfully my only knowledge of Irish healthcare is from news coverage. I'd assumed therefore that everything was like downtown Baghdad with doctors having to use their kids toy stethoscopes to diagnose patients. Which doesn't really make any sense, I suppose, as Irish healthcare outcomes are brilliant.

Maybe I'm just finding hospitals fascinating then. It's amazing how everything just works.

Go to A&E with a sprain or a cut or whatever and you will be sitting at the gates of hell for a very long time.

A friend of mine got a nasty cut on his head a couple of weeks ago and was brought to the A&E for stitches about noon, after sitting there for 6 hours he realised that he had cover for one of the private minor injuries clinics so he rang them and asked them would they be able to see him. No bother they say we'll see you straight away where are you now? Like a eejit he told them he was waiting at Naas hospital and they cut him off saying that since he's been inside a hospital they wouldn't see him because Covid. He eventually got stitched up and sent home after 3AM

[Mellor]

Nope, that's a very narrow view on equality, narrow to the point of being incorrect.

Why part of that definition do you think was incorrect?
Or what correct definition of equality means we should ignore relevant ability.

[eamonhonda]

Really liking that Slow March In Bpm Hectorjelly ! Sounds great on a pair of headphones. Enjoying the reads also!

[Kayroo]

Why part of that definition do you think was incorrect?
Or what correct definition of equality means we should ignore relevant ability.

Imagine you're on a running track. 8 runners in this heat. 4 of them get a 50 metre head start. The other 4 complain and are told "it's not about who started where, it's about who is the best runner. Everyone is in the same heat, now show us what you've got"

I don't think HJ is saying ignore relevant ability outright. I would imagine he is expressing (albeit a little more belligerently than necessary) the view that the only effective way to correct historic advantages is to bestow, for a short period, a converse advantage on the previously marginalised group. This helps to address more in-built biases. For example, Harvard Business School conducted a study that showed that minority candidates, particularly black ones, fared far better in getting interviews when they "whitened" their resumes. In another study it was shown that when two sets. of 1,000 resumes were sent to employers that were identical in every way except for the racial connotation of the name (James for one, DeShaun for another), the "white" names got the interviews at a rate of (I think) 10 to 1 over black names.

Now, if America (since the example comes from there) disproportionately advanced black people in HR and management roles for a while, do you think that the same issue would continue? Or would the new, diverse workplace then equalise out that bias and give everyone a fair shot?



Let's look at the "relevant ability" issue another way. If 100 black people and 100 white people with absolutely identical abilities apply for 100 jobs and we remove every other variable save for race; what do you think the hiring breakdown is likely to be? Honestly. Your instinctive answer to that issue just proves why "relevant ability" without any other mechanisms for equalisation just leads to continued discrimination. The head start was built-in before any of the contestants got there. So the ones who benefited from it need to come back to the starting line. That means they need to move backwards. It will feel unfair. But it is actually just everyone getting put back on a level playing field overall. It'll mean some people miss out on opportunities they should otherwise have gotten. But if we did it on the "relevant ability" idea then the same thing happens except only to the people it's always happened to.

[Hectorjelly]

Are you really surprised that when you go around calling everyone that doesn't agree with you racist, or racist by association, or conflate their views with racism, that they become hostile?

Lao Lao started his post by stating, I'm all for equality but... And then had an example showing his actual intolerance for equality. This is identical to the well known "I'm not a racist..." trope I'm sure everyone has experienced in a taxi. Maybe I wasn't clear.

[Hectorjelly]

Not hostile at all - Did you make a point originally?

It was and yes.

[Degag]

I always think the opposite, seems to me to be genuine camaraderie between lots of them.
Coupled with genuine amazement that they can move their shtick via about 15 different shows on BBC2, C4 and Dave and earn a fortune in the process.
Give an example of a few who hate each other, and I'll look out for it.

Often struck me that Hugh Dennis and (especially) Frankie Boyle had very little time for Chris Addison on Mock the Week.

[Lao Lao]

It was and yes.

No, it wasn't. I am fully aware of the tone and intent of the messages that I post.

Everyone changes. Some people turn into climate change denying trump supporters, others become more socially conscious.

I love how Denny asks you a simple question with no malice whatsoever to it and you respond with a sly dig - You seem to be great and lightning fast to dish out judgement to others but don't seem to hold yourself to such high standards at times.

Anyhow, carry on at a gallop speed on your high horse.

[Solksjaer!]

If I fall victim to a societal minority rebalancing fix will I not then begrudge the specific rebalancing process and could it instill in me a sense of injustice that frankly and personally I dont deserve . THis rebalancing is inherently WRONG . To achieve the change required we have to engage the young . Pissing off one side to right the wrongs is the worst approach imo. The reason we still have issues today is that lack of tolerance and this comes from a lack of respect and a dose of fear. The schools should have this as a subject. The approach suggested above could make division more commonplace . For the record I always thought white folk lagged behind most other races , especially in sport. . I guess that makes me racist .

Fk whitepower imo.

[Solksjaer!]

My 3 year old wishes to identify as a chimp. The irony of this is not lost on me

[pokerhand]

Lao Lao started his post by stating, I'm all for equality but... And then had an example showing his actual intolerance for equality. This is identical to the well known "I'm not a racist..." trope I'm sure everyone has experienced in a taxi. Maybe I wasn't clear.

Correct me if wrong, but I thought his issue was from health and safety point of view and not equality political correctness gone mad, which seems reasonable... a blind lad in an unknown environment with sharp knives lying around, hot pans etc... Seems incredibly dangerous.

[Iago]

Imagine you're on a running track. 8 runners in this heat. 4 of them get a 50 metre head start. The other 4 complain and are told "it's not about who started where, it's about who is the best runner. Everyone is in the same heat, now show us what you've got"

I don't think HJ is saying ignore relevant ability outright. I would imagine he is expressing (albeit a little more belligerently than necessary) the view that the only effective way to correct historic advantages is to bestow, for a short period, a converse advantage on the previously marginalised group. This helps to address more in-built biases. For example, Harvard Business School conducted a study that showed that minority candidates, particularly black ones, fared far better in getting interviews when they "whitened" their resumes. In another study it was shown that when two sets. of 1,000 resumes were sent to employers that were identical in every way except for the racial connotation of the name (James for one, DeShaun for another), the "white" names got the interviews at a rate of (I think) 10 to 1 over black names.

Now, if America (since the example comes from there) disproportionately advanced black people in HR and management roles for a while, do you think that the same issue would continue? Or would the new, diverse workplace then equalise out that bias and give everyone a fair shot?



Let's look at the "relevant ability" issue another way. If 100 black people and 100 white people with absolutely identical abilities apply for 100 jobs and we remove every other variable save for race; what do you think the hiring breakdown is likely to be? Honestly. Your instinctive answer to that issue just proves why "relevant ability" without any other mechanisms for equalisation just leads to continued discrimination. The head start was built-in before any of the contestants got there. So the ones who benefited from it need to come back to the starting line. That means they need to move backwards. It will feel unfair. But it is actually just everyone getting put back on a level playing field overall. It'll mean some people miss out on opportunities they should otherwise have gotten. But if we did it on the "relevant ability" idea then the same thing happens except only to the people it's always happened to.

I think theres probably a fair bit of cognitive dissonance going on here, there certainly is for me.

i read the above and I think that in theory they have a 50% chance because if I was the interviewer then all that would matter is ability. Then I correct myself and say well actually that’s not quite true because if they all had identical abilities then I would probably pick the person that I felt fit in best with team so it would come down to what I thought (or we if it was a committee interview) of whatever personality they presented me with during the interview. Which may or may not represent how they actually are in a working environment.

The dissonance occurs because rationally, once I’ve taken time to think about it, I understand that not everybody thinks like me and therefore in reality both white and and black candidates would be disadvantages respectively depending on the feeling of the interviewer that doesn’t believe or practice equality. The same applies obviously for men, women, trans or non-binary interviewees that may apply for a job. Some of that will be bias on the part of the interviewer, some of it will be an attempt to keep an environment ‘comfortable’ for those who are there already...these are both terrible reasons not to hire someone.

So my instinctive reaction is to rail against any implication that I might be anything other than fully supportive of equality and opportunity, and to be frank, a maybe misguided view that people across the board feel the same. My own personal world doesn’t have intolerant people in it so I’m bubbled somewhat but when Intake time to think about it outside my bubble I can clearly see that we don’t yet live in a utopia where it doesn’t exist.

I think this also places a weighing on people thinking it’s ‘overblown’ because it doesn’t happen in their personal circles. Which then leads to the argument that if it’s equal ability then there shouldn’t be push back when there is a lower number of (insert marginalized segment here) in (insert job here) when really, as Kayroo has articulated beautifully, there is an inherent disadvantage overall and until that is corrected there needs to a disadvantage in the opposite direction.

[Iago]

If I fall victim to a societal minority rebalancing fix will I not then begrudge the specific rebalancing process and could it instill in me a sense of injustice that frankly and personally I dont deserve . THis rebalancing is inherently WRONG . To achieve the change required we have to engage the young . Pissing off one side to right the wrongs is the worst approach imo. The reason we still have issues today is that lack of tolerance and this comes from a lack of respect and a dose of fear. The schools should have this as a subject. The approach suggested above could make division more commonplace . For the record I always thought white folk lagged behind most other races , especially in sport. . I guess that makes me racist .

Fk whitepower imo.

There’s also more than a kernal of truth in this imo, if we had representative bodies that highlighted and campaigned for a balancing in all areas I think it would cut through far quicker.

For exaggerated example, a single body/group that was simultaneously campaigning for more female engineers, more male teachers, more trans athletes and more non-binary politicians.

instead we have various groups all chasing more representation for their specific subsection of the population at, what is perceived to be, the expense of all others regardless of ability.

I know I don’t have even the beginnings of an answer but surely people far smarted than me can come up with something. Maybe it’s just a case of time, after all in the last 100 years we have probably made more progress in equality than in all human history beforehand. Yes, we still have a long way to go, and yes it can seem too slow for people but this is not something that will be fixed overnight no matter how much we wish it could be.

[Lazare]

I've always urged my boss when hiring to favour immigrants over Irish people.

It generally takes drive, ambition and a strong work ethic to sacrifice your loved ones, friends and familiarity and emigrate for a better life.

We have guys from Mauritius working with us that are each worth about 5 Irish guys.

If I was hiring in Mauritius I would have the same thinking and favour hiring Irish guys and foreigners.

[Solksjaer!]

Problem Solved

[Guest]

I've always urged my boss when hiring to favour immigrants over Irish people.

It generally takes drive, ambition and a strong work ethic to sacrifice your loved ones, friends and familiarity and emigrate for a better life.

We have guys from Mauritius working with us that are each worth about 5 Irish guys.

If I was hiring in Mauritius I would have the same thinking and favour hiring Irish guys and foreigners.

That is discriminatory though. If you set up an office in Mauritius and Irish travellers applies for a job I’m sure you would hire them. Is the job well paid ? It can be hard to find people with drive and ambition if it’s a min wage job with little chance of progress.

[Guest]

Hectorjelly would probably think if a blind carpenter was refused a job it would be discriminatory. The fact that dangers lie everywhere imagine a blind worker in a kitchen busy placed simply you have to be able see what you are doing. Smug bollox.

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