Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Wordle Gummidge

[Lao Lao]

A win is a win

No, it's not - I'm in a Superbru league (you pick winners of matches and by how many points) with Mrs Lao Lao and two of our mates (another couple) - This is the 3rd 6 Nations league we've done it, loser each time has to cook a three course meal plus wine for the other 3. First time, I won it and Mrs Lao Lao propped up the table so it was great to sit back and let her do everything. 2nd time I finished 2nd but we haven't been able to have the dinner yet due to lockdown.

The result of this game puts me 1 point adrift at the bottom of the league, albeit with 4 games still to go - At 24-10, I was 1.5 points clear of the bottom, proper raging.

[shrapnel]

Dechambeau discombobulating, and Westwood in trouble too!

[pokerhand]

Dechambeau discombobulating, and Westwood in trouble too!

Westwood 2 shots clear... How is he in trouble?

[eamonhonda]

In the Spirit of Music King I played a 4 year old the Dead Kennedys seen as he wrecks the house anyway. The last 4 seconds are golden .

Haha! Good craic that

[shrapnel]

Westwood 2 shots clear... How is he in trouble?

should have been there at the time of the comment (both tee shots in the drink) . Double bogey for bryson and saved bogey for Westwood at the 4th(?). He was also at - 14 earlier but greens are drying up fast so it's going to be tough for everyone.

Westwood is grinding hard and saving pars with that putter big time.

[dinekes]

Watching Planet Earth - deep sea
Unreal stuff, cannibal squid and a fish with a translucent skull so it can see up through it ffs. Serves him right
if he gets eaten by a shark, the show off!

[Raoul Duke III]

It's time to play the music
It's time to light the lights
It's time to meet the Muppets on the IPB Tipping Comp tonight

Why do we always come here
I guess we'll never know
It's like a kind of torture
To have to watch the show

But now let's get things started
Why don't you get things started
It's time to get things started
On the most sensational, inspirational, celebrational, muppetational
Cheltenham Tipping Comp tonight!

€1,550 there for the plucking

[Raoul Duke III]

Speaking of theme tunes, name the singer of this classic:

I'm one tough Gazookus
That hates all Palookas
That ain't on the up and square
I biffs 'em and buffs 'em
And always out roughs 'em
And none of 'em gets nowhere

If anyone dares to risk his fist
It's "Bop" and it's "Wham", understand?
So keep good behavior
That's your one life saver

[Wombatman]

Jeasus. Perfectly understandable Italy restricting vaccine exports. I expect more European countries will turn to Sputnik V, with or without EMA approval.

[AndyFatBastard]

Enjoyed this from WSB omycuaxc70n61.jpg?width=796&auto=webp&s=3da66638893d2f6fec94b9ea0af1cccd4d9a4793.jpg

[Strewelpeter]

How bizarre is this

US President Joe Biden's administration says it has been trying to contact the North Korean government since February but has yet to receive a response.

Washington had tried to reach Pyongyang in several different ways to prevent tensions escalating, officials said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56391445

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

New valuation for Stripe after fundraising is rumoured to put it at a $115bn valuation, meaning both Collison brothers probably worth about $10bn each, or a $20bn brotherhood. Its the quietest Irish success story of all time.

[dinekes]

And on the small stakes poker front which quite rightly nobody gives 2 fucks about ...however...hoovering at the small Omaha game..win loads....everyone fucks off....wander into the lobby beer in hand...NO OMAHA.. not even the smallest stakes....feel like your man at the start of 28 days later...helloooooo
Get into a Holdem game...shudder...j9..raise ...button RR max ...me call...flop JJJ...I bet into the mofu..he pumps ...and................. disconnect...Hamlet cigar music

Ah well

[Mellor]

Got on a plane today. First time I’m 15 months or so. Interstate work trip. On the return leg right now. Some lunatic at the window dressed in tie dye is trying to smash a bag of spicy rings into his face through his mask. These are the people that really make me look at the positives of social distancing.

Also, NSW recorded its first community case in two months. Security guard at a quarantine hotel. He got the first dose of Pfizer two weeks ago.

[Raoul Duke III]

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[Raoul Duke III]

Speaking of theme tunes, name the singer of this classic:

In case anyone was kept awake all night wondering, the next line is of course:

SPOILER

I'm Popeye the Sailor Man!
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[Silver-Tiger]

Gimmeabreak

You been on any Podcasts the last few days that i can listen to today?

[Raoul Duke III]

€1,650 now.

Hard to keep up with demand. In honour of the latest entrant, let me just say:

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[Raoul Duke III]

Gimmeabreak

You been on any Podcasts the last few days that i can listen to today?

Give the man a break ST. He's no doubt extremely busy pricing up the sidebetting market in the IPB Cheltenham Tipping Comp.

[Strewelpeter]

Gimmeabreak

You been on any Podcasts the last few days that i can listen to today?

He did a good slot on Racing TV the other night where he put up three nice picks.

Thomas Darby and Anything will do as decent EW shouts and Stand up and Fight as an overpriced nap in the Foxhunters.

UL for him though that Thomas Darby is my EW pick of the meeting

I can't find it on the website.

[Raoul Duke III]

€1,650 now.

Hard to keep up with demand. In honour of the latest entrant, let me just say:

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€1,700 now. Still just about time to sign up and receive your free complimentary joining gift.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

We're watching the highly-rated 'Why Women Kill' as our show of the moment. Its a heck of a show.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

€1,750 has a nice ring to it. Lets make it happen. Some of us have electricity bills to pay.

[Iago]

It's time to play the music
It's time to light the lights
It's time to meet the Muppets on the IPB Tipping Comp tonight

Why do we always come here
I guess we'll never know
It's like a kind of torture
To have to watch the show

But now let's get things started
Why don't you get things started
It's time to get things started
On the most sensational, inspirational, celebrational, muppetational
Cheltenham Tipping Comp tonight!

€1,550 there for the plucking

oh that brings back memories.

Did a 6 month door to door sales stint back many moons ago. The morning 'rally tune' was to that song but with different lyrics obviously.

I have to say it was a fantastic 6 months, oodles of money (or so it seemed at the time) group of 18-25 year olds that went out every night in town until the early hours, interpersonal shenanigans during the day. Just brilliant. Was a great place to be if you were young cocksure and willing to spend your day smooth talking people constantly. Though I did think they jumped the shark a little bit when they sent us into Darndale selling dry cleaning services

[Raoul Duke III]

Though I did think they jumped the shark a little bit when they sent us into Darndale selling dry cleaning services

Are you saying that people from Darndale don't take care of their appearance?

[oleras]

We're watching the highly-rated 'Why Women Kill' as our show of the moment. Its a heck of a show.

Its quiet enjoyable.

Should watch Tales From The Loop on Amazon, I really enjoyed it.

[Solksjaer!]

Are you saying that people from Darndale don't take care of their appearance?

'Take care ' of something has a different meaning in Darndale .

[Mellor]

I remember having a word with a priest about how the Church deceives us from early age. . What do you mean ? Well LENT . it's always about 45 days not 40. So yer getting an extra 5 days into the Trocaire box plus 5 extra days without crisps etc. What else are you lying about. ?

They don’t count Sundays. Mad fucks.
If you give up the booze for lent. Are you free to booze away on sundays. Not sure they thought that through.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Its quiet enjoyable.

Should watch Tales From The Loop on Amazon, I really enjoyed it.

Oh that looks class. Amazon have some excellent series.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

1960s era BlackJack sweets. Was wondering why that whole range had disappeared.

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[Raoul Duke III]

1960s era BlackJack sweets. Was wondering why that whole range had disappeared.

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fondly remembered for the sheer delight of having a black tongue after eating a few

[Guest]

Can anyone suggest a free VPN or free trial VPN for android. I want to make a purchase on a US site but I keep being redirected to UK despite changing settings.

[DeadParrot]

express vpn do a free trial

[Strewelpeter]

Tales from the loop is nice Phillip Glass the real star of the show.

Quite enjoyed Call My Agent Its the kind of thing that would be unbearable crap if it was American but the French carry it off with panache and joie de vivre

[shrapnel]

Tales from the loop is nice Phillip Glass the real star of the show.

Quite enjoyed Call My Agent Its the kind of thing that would be unbearable crap if it was American but the French carry it off with panache and joie de vivre

call my agent is nice although the latest and final season is a dip in quality. did you ever watch the bureau? would have thought you'd enjoy that one

[Strewelpeter]

call my agent is nice although the latest and final season is a dip in quality. did you ever watch the bureau? would have thought you'd enjoy that one

Loved the first series, wife didn't watch it and I know she'd like it so I'm waiting on her to catch up before moving on the SE02... If she even threatens to look at that desperate housewives clone that Hitch is pimping I'll move on without her

[Lao Lao]

Somewhat of a weird one in work that has me quite annoyed.

Applied for a promotion - it would take me out of the local branch and to a regional level. It's a dual role where I'd be over all operations for my product in Europe plus I'd be responsible for our 6 Gateways plus fully over a small part of the product for all of Europe (sales/bid/retention, etc).

Went through a two interview process which I felt went well and I was offered the role last week.

Now here's the rub - the uplift is practically non existent - I mean, the monthly after tax uplift wouldn't even cover my wine purchases at the weekend I was baffled (even shocked) when I got the verbal offer and said it wasn't where I thought it should be and I'd have to think about it. On Friday, I went back to the guy doing the hiring (European VP of my product) to advise that the offer wouldn't work for me, somewhat assuming that there would be an element of horse trading but he advised that was the best offer they could make. I politely turned the offer down and we left it on good terms.

This morning, my immediate boss asked to talk to me - He wanted to make sure that I was OK with the decision I made. he knew all about what had transpired on Friday which has clearly come from the VP through back channels (There was only two of us on the call and it didn't come from me) - I told him where I was at and he, almost reluctantly, tried to sell the role to me. How, if the new role took off, the uplift could end up being more over time, how there could be further opportunity if I did well and then let slip that out of all the candidates, I was the clear favourite/winner and that the hiring team felt that the others wouldn't be able to do what I can do . He also went off on a tangent of how I could have the best of both worlds as the role won't require me to relocate (I can still work from the Dublin office and travel as needed) so I can still be involved in local stuff - Why he'd think I'd want to take on a new role and still deal with all the crap from the old one, I'm, not sure but anyway.

But the offer is the offer and maybe I wanted to take an extra day or two to think on it?

He also asked me if I would leave as I wasn't happy with the offer (it's a very real possibility but I didn't tell him that)

I'm not sure whether he's being put under pressure to try get me to change my mind or if he is worried I'd walk so he loses me with much less notice than with an internal transfer plus as I'll still be sitting in his district, he can at least pick my brains on stuff and most likely drag me into things he needs a hand with

[Raoul Duke III]

There aren't that many occasions in your working life where you have leverage. Sounds like this is one of them.

Leverage the fuck out of it.
Tell your boss that this is a big increase in responsibility, that you have no doubt you can do it and would look forward to do doing so but that the obverse side of the coin is that you expect to be rewarded accordingly - now. This is payback time for the years you've invested.

And also make whatever preparations you need to do in order to follow through on your implied threat to leave.

[Raoul Duke III]

Hoping to be in a similar situation myself shortly.

[Lao Lao]

There aren't that many occasions in your working life where you have leverage. Sounds like this is one of them.

Leverage the fuck out of it.
Tell your boss that this is a big increase in responsibility, that you have no doubt you can do it and would look forward to do doing so but that the obverse side of the coin is that you expect to be rewarded accordingly - now. This is payback time for the years you've invested.

And also make whatever preparations you need to do in order to follow through on your implied threat to leave.

The first part has been done (although I feel, I may have to repeat myself again before the week is out) and the 2nd part is about to kick into gear from this evening.

However I can't help but get the feeling that they won't budge on the salary. They will hire somebody worse for less money if they can't strong arm me into it. I've seen them do it elsewhere in other roles. That's the annoying bit as what they save on paying the right person, they lose out multiples of in lost opportunity by having the right person in place.

[Raoul Duke III]

The first part has been done (although I feel, I may have to repeat myself again before the week is out) and the 2nd part is about to kick into gear from this evening.

However I can't help but get the feeling that they won't budge on the salary. They will hire somebody worse for less money if they can't strong arm me into it. I've seen them do it elsewhere in other roles. That's the annoying bit as what they save on paying the right person, they lose out multiples of in lost opportunity by having the right person in place.

In that case, it sounds like you're in the wrong company!

I do see this all the time, just a blanket refusal to uplift people in situ. I have a really strong person on my team, has done great work for the last three years but bosses refused to even consider him for promotion. He got pissed off, so moved internally with me to new role and they hired some guy in NY at the higher grade to replace him. NY guy was a disaster (and I heard has just quit) and now they are miles behind on a critical program as a result.

Leaving me with much opportunity to say "I hate to say 'I told you so but....' "

[Tar.Aldarion]

Since they are likely to just say no, the only way I would take that is if the title itself is valuable in finding a similar role at another place for more pay. Then I would go get said role.

[pokerhand]

Tickets to RWC sorted. Happy days!

[Strewelpeter]

I'm not sure whether he's being put under pressure to try get me to change my mind or if he is worried I'd walk so he loses me with much less notice than with an internal transfer plus as I'll still be sitting in his district, he can at least pick my brains on stuff and most likely drag me into things he needs a hand with

Probably both.
Don't like offering advice in these situations but I'd guess that if they do want you they will have to explain the lack of uplift and come up with a clear plan for how and when it will be available subject to markers etc.
I'd either take whatever is offered even as a holding position making it clear what you want to get out of it and remind them every few months or else I'd polish up the CV with a view to moving on in the short term

[RichieM]

The first part has been done (although I feel, I may have to repeat myself again before the week is out) and the 2nd part is about to kick into gear from this evening.

However I can't help but get the feeling that they won't budge on the salary. They will hire somebody worse for less money if they can't strong arm me into it. I've seen them do it elsewhere in other roles. That's the annoying bit as what they save on paying the right person, they lose out multiples of in lost opportunity by having the right person in place.

Do you know what the equivalent in another company pays or can you find out?

Having that info is good as it gives you a fact to back up your request and also puts the oh shit he must have looked into other jobs/spoken to a recruiter thoughts out there.

Your mgr possibly likes the idea of this being based in his back yard as it will make his life easier and likely doesn’t want to deal with the impact of having second choice shithouse making a balls of things? I’m sure there is a big element of good for the company and good for you in there too tho.

The other side if this is he right? Will the move open up promotion options down the line that you won’t have without this and importantly are those options that you would want to take?

If your going to push back which I think it sounds like you should you need to know what you will accept and what you can reasonably ask for. Since it’s a pure business decision if you can manage to put some stats around why your output will be worth the extra over the second choice it always makes the conversation easier. This can be very tough as it’s fairly abstract in some ways.

[shrapnel]

Tickets to RWC sorted. Happy days!

the Paris package for Ireland fans is really tasty tbh!

[RichieM]

In that case, it sounds like you're in the wrong company!

I do see this all the time, just a blanket refusal to uplift people in situ. I have a really strong person on my team, has done great work for the last three years but bosses refused to even consider him for promotion. He got pissed off, so moved internally with me to new role and they hired some guy in NY at the higher grade to replace him. NY guy was a disaster (and I heard has just quit) and now they are miles behind on a critical program as a result.

Leaving me with much opportunity to say "I hate to say 'I told you so but....' "

Don’t mess with the system - it’s this type of approach that keeps staff turnover nice and high keeping recruiters in business.

[Wombatman]

He also went off on a tangent of how I could have the best of both worlds as the role won't require me to relocate (I can still work from the Dublin office and travel as needed) so I can still be involved in local stuff - Why he'd think I'd want to take on a new role and still deal with all the crap from the old one, I'm, not sure but anyway.

Yeah, I'd be weary of this aright, like you'd be expected to take on the responsibility of the new role, while still half covering your old one, for no extra money.
Give them a clear number. If the meet it great, ff not, continue as if it never happened.

[Solksjaer!]

Lao Lao. Take the roll same pay. Except 4 day week
everyone is misguided going for money over less time in work imo.

[Raoul Duke III]

Don’t mess with the system - it’s this type of approach that keeps staff turnover nice and high keeping recruiters in business.

Recruiters, much like lawyers and bankers, are the most important members of our society. The more juice we can give them, the better.

[Lao Lao]

Do you know what the equivalent in another company pays or can you find out?

Having that info is good as it gives you a fact to back up your request and also puts the oh shit he must have looked into other jobs/spoken to a recruiter thoughts out there.

Your mgr possibly likes the idea of this being based in his back yard as it will make his life easier and likely doesn’t want to deal with the impact of having second choice shithouse making a balls of things? I’m sure there is a big element of good for the company and good for you in there too tho.

The other side if this is he right? Will the move open up promotion options down the line that you won’t have without this and importantly are those options that you would want to take?

If your going to push back which I think it sounds like you should you need to know what you will accept and what you can reasonably ask for. Since it’s a pure business decision if you can manage to put some stats around why your output will be worth the extra over the second choice it always makes the conversation easier. This can be very tough as it’s fairly abstract in some ways.

The role is pretty bespoke so impossible to get an exact replica elsewhere but I've already explained that I have done some research and advised what similar roles would be paying elsewhere. I even gave them a decent spread where I would have taken the lower amount to allow them to be seen to be getting a deal had they countered.

If I took the role, there would be at least 3, possibly four other people ahead of me in the pecking order for the next promotion. That's not to say, I couldn't close the gap by ripping it up in the new role but it's certainly not a case of do well here and you're on the way.

The plot has thickened somewhat as the HR manager for Ireland just rang me to say, they just heard I got offered the role and to say well done. Now the HR manager and my boss are in constant communication every day plus they know everything and I mean everything that goes on in here so there is no way they only found out that I got offered the job last week.

As soon as I said that I was offered it but turned it down, they immediately asked if the money wasn't enough followed by how that I would be so good in the role, blah, blah, blah - a slightly watered down version of the spiel out of my boss earlier.

I feel like it's turning into a scene from 'Allo 'Allo

Lao Lao. Take the roll same pay. Except 4 day week
everyone is misguided going for money over less time in work imo.

That would be the dream in most jobs and I'd happily work a four day week over more money but it's sadly not really practical in this industry.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Just got to hardball them lao lao - although I fully realise its easier said from the sidelines than actually done in the trenches. Its some cheek to expect you to step up big time without a proper bump in pay. And to say, oh it might follow, is just really dodgy.

The one exception is maybe if the experience is super-valuable and you can see how after a year of doing it you could easily jump ship (ho hum) with all the new experience gained for a big uplift.

The problem is that I suspect you actually really like where you work, so you are probably not actually thinking of leaving. So it would just then be more responsibility without the ability to jump ship for the big gain.

Nice situation to be in though! Not perfect, but you'll get it there !!

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

That would be the dream in most jobs and I'd happily work a four day week over more money but it's sadly not really practical in this industry.

ha. I'd imagine thats exactly what was said for moving to six-day and five-day week. Of course its possible. They've just designed jobs to be five-day weeks. They need to redesign them to be four-day weeks. France did it a decade ago when they moved from five-day to 4.5 day weeks. No bother at all. The big thing the pandemic has thought is is defaults can be chucked in the bin overnight and most of them only appear sticky because someone higher up doesn't want to change them.

[ArmaniJeans]

Tickets to RWC sorted. Happy days!

So much panic on the boards thread about this.
Realistically everyone who wants a ticket is going to get them eventually.
And there'll always be accommodation / airbnbs in France (some loon panicking about hotel reservations for an event 29 months away).
Not getting gouged on direct airline prices probably the biggest issue.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

So much panic on the boards thread about this.
Realistically everyone who wants a ticket is going to get them eventually.
And there'll always be accommodation / airbnbs in France (some loon panicking about hotel reservations for an event 29 months away).
Not getting gouged on direct airline prices probably the biggest issue.

Are the tickets sold out, or is it worth queuing now?

[shrapnel]

Are the tickets sold out, or is it worth queuing now?

no it's just the first day of the early bird, so just the packages (city or team). plenty of time for tix

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

no it's just the first day of the early bird, so just the packages (city or team). plenty of time for tix

ah. so if you want say an individual match you can do it in a few days?

[shrapnel]

ah. so if you want say an individual match you can do it in a few days?

yep. they pimp the packages first.

[Raoul Duke III]

Are the tickets sold out, or is it worth queuing now?

we were in line to buy 4 packages today for our little group of rugby\booze\train enthusiasts but apparently our designated driver was not able to fulfill his task due to the site being mega-busy

[Lao Lao]

ha. I'd imagine thats exactly what was said for moving to six-day and five-day week. Of course its possible. They've just designed jobs to be five-day weeks. They need to redesign them to be four-day weeks. France did it a decade ago when they moved from five-day to 4.5 day weeks. No bother at all. The big thing the pandemic has thought is is defaults can be chucked in the bin overnight and most of them only appear sticky because someone higher up doesn't want to change them.

My guys in France still work a 5 day week, or at least they are in the office for a full 5 days, working might be a bit of a stretch

While I agree that if society as a whole decides that a four day week is the way forward, things can chance, we still have staff working bank holidays, including Stephens Day, Paddy's Day, etc - Christmas Day is the only day we are all definitely off except when you are trying to move urgent cargo and spend a few hours of Christmas morning on the phone to China trying to sort it out, oh, that was fun.