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Strewls idea to throw a net on the knife wielding man who had injured someone already and had ample opportunity to drop the weapon has me in tears
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Originally posted by Solksjaer! View Post
Ever been to Blanch?
Culchies who really want to be knackers(not in the traveller sense)
Did they finally get their wish... did they finally dream it into a shithole?
Place seemed pretty tame whenever I was out there
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Originally posted by Elshambles View Post
Fado fado fado...lads I knew from North side used to call the lads from Blanch knacker culchies
Culchies who really want to be knackers(not in the traveller sense)
Did they finally get their wish... did they finally dream it into a shithole?
Place seemed pretty tame whenever I was out there
SP net comment still has me laughing. Reminded me of.
Get your stinking paws off me at 2 00 in this
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
Maybe it's completely normal to carry a lethal weapon with you when you go down to the shops for The Sun and a litre of milk.Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
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Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
Did he have a knife on him before he got to the shop, or did he pick it up during the altercation with the manager?Garda statement
Gardaí, in their official statement regarding the matter, said Mr Nkencho had entered a Spar shop in Hartstown, armed with a knife.
During that incident, a staff member was assaulted and had to be treated in hospital for his injuries. He has since been released.
TheJournal.ie has clarified, through gardaí, that the man was hurt but was not stabbed or slashed with a knife during the assault.
Mr Nkencho continued to threaten members of the public and unarmed Gardaí with a knife, a garda statement said.
Gardai followed him on foot and in vehicles from the Hartstown Shopping Centre towards his family home at Manorfields Drive, Dublin 15. During this period Gardaí were engaging him and encouraging him to drop the weapon.
Mr Nkencho was shot several times by a garda gun at Manorfields Drive in Clonee after allegedly attempting to attack a garda with a knife.People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post
"Gardai responded to reports of a public order incident involving a male, in his late twenties, armed with a knife at Hartstown Shopping Centre.
"During an incident at the EuroSpar business premises in Hartstown Shopping Centre a male staff member received facial injuries and is currently receiving medical attention in Connolly Memorial Hospital."
Can you find me a direct quote from a Garda statement? What you quoted is paraphrasing.
Note 'public order' above, not robbery.
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Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
So this is the start of the statement I'm seeing most quoted:
"Gardai responded to reports of a public order incident involving a male, in his late twenties, armed with a knife at Hartstown Shopping Centre.
"During an incident at the EuroSpar business premises in Hartstown Shopping Centre a male staff member received facial injuries and is currently receiving medical attention in Connolly Memorial Hospital."
Can you find me a direct quote from a Garda statement? What you quoted is paraphrasing.
Note 'public order' above, not robbery.
The incident began when gardaí earlier received reports of a public order incident involving a male armed with a knife at Hartstown shopping centre.
A staff member at Eurospar received facial injuries and another incident was reported at the nearby post office.
“Uniformed, unarmed gardaí responded to the scene and observed a male in possession of a knife. The male continued to threaten members of the public and unarmed gardaí with the knife,” said a statement from the Garda press office.
"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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On a lighter note, I have 4 months+ of planning for my new home-office to get stuck into chairs and desk reviews.
What are we all sitting on these days? Any good recommendations? Don't want to overspend but have also been crippled by horrific chairs for last year now, so am happy to budget up if required.
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Originally posted by Emmet View PostOn a lighter note, I have 4 months+ of planning for my new home-office to get stuck into chairs and desk reviews.
What are we all sitting on these days? Any good recommendations? Don't want to overspend but have also been crippled by horrific chairs for last year now, so am happy to budget up if required."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
You are the one making things up, not me. I'm only asking questions.
You said he entered the shop with a knife. Did he?
Apology accepted in advance.
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
do they slice the bread in their deli with a can of coke? I'm not surprised that enraged George.People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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It is a weird point Wombatman is trying to make but I think he is trying to argue that Nkencho grabbed a knife at the shop, rather than having brought it with him.
If that is the case and I haven't seen anyone say it is, what possible difference does it make?"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostIt is a weird point Wombatman is trying to make but I think he is trying to argue that Nkencho grabbed a knife at the shop, rather than having brought it with him.
If that is the case and I haven't seen anyone say it is, what possible difference does it make?
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Originally posted by Emmet View PostOn a lighter note, I have 4 months+ of planning for my new home-office to get stuck into chairs and desk reviews.
What are we all sitting on these days? Any good recommendations? Don't want to overspend but have also been crippled by horrific chairs for last year now, so am happy to budget up if required.
As far as chairs go, find the most comfortable one possible and pay the man. Whatever about the desk, don't skimp on the chair. My work chair >>>>>> home office chair. It's the next thing that's getting upgraded. I was using my work chair at home for most of last year. I swapped it back when I started to spend more time in the office. Night and day difference compared to the crap one I have from ikea. From a quick search this is the closest design to my work chair: https://www.huntoffice.ie/dorsum-exe...est-black.html.
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Originally posted by Emmet View PostOn a lighter note, I have 4 months+ of planning for my new home-office to get stuck into chairs and desk reviews.
What are we all sitting on these days? Any good recommendations? Don't want to overspend but have also been crippled by horrific chairs for last year now, so am happy to budget up if required.
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Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post
Is the insinuation that he took the knife from the staff member?
I don't understand where your questions are goingOriginally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostIt is a weird point Wombatman is trying to make but I think he is trying to argue that Nkencho grabbed a knife at the shop, rather than having brought it with him.
If that is the case and I haven't seen anyone say it is, what possible difference does it make?
I'm NOT suggesting anything. Look back at my posts. I'm just questioning unverified versions of events.
Why would anyone insinuate or suggest anything about what happened?
We need to work with verified facts only.
Did he bring a knife into the shop? We don't know. So why make a suggestion one way or another?
Was he robbing the shop?
Did the taser hit him?
Were warning shots fired?
Did he perform a haka before he was shot?
Just hang on for the GSOC report. Your theories may be supported by the facts in the final analysis.Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
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What is the relevance of where the knife came from? Only way I could guess it changes anything is if it were handed to him by a Garda before he shot him?
Otherwise what difference does it make?
He wasn't shot and killed because of an alleged armed robbery. The Gardaí are not judge, jury and executioner.
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Originally posted by Emmet View PostWhat is the relevance of where the knife came from? Only way I could guess it changes anything is if it were handed to him by a Garda before he shot him?
Otherwise what difference does it make?
He wasn't shot and killed because of an alleged armed robbery. The Gardaí are not judge, jury and executioner.
Find me one report, from a half decent source, that says he was engaged in a robbery.
He punched the manager of the Eurospar. Yes, that hat has been verified by AGS. Does not equal he was robbing the shop. Might not have been wearing a mask and fracas resulted for example. Who knows?Last edited by Wombatman; 05-01-21, 17:37.Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostAre you saying that what is published in reputable newspapers or via RTE are 'unverified versions of events'?
Because those are my best sources for what happened in this whole sorry episode. Call me naive.Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
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Dogs is a good idea, you'd wonder why that wasn't used. Harsh on the animal as the risk is massive, PETA would lose it, letting an innocent dog die by knife wielding criminal instead of shooting for his legs.
A net though... like... you'd wonder sometimes.
Sure why didn't we just throw rocks at him.This may or may not be an original thought of my own.
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Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
He carried a knife with him VS he got into a scuffle in the shop and grabbed a knife. Massive difference.
Find me one report, from a half decent source, that says he was engaged in a robbery.
He punched the manager of the Eurospar. Yes, that hat has been verified by AGS. Does not equal he was robbing the shop. Might not have been wearing a mask and fracas resulted for example. Who knows?
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Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
Did I say he was?
You absolutely are trying to lead us somewhere, but it doesn't make sense. Socratic without a goal?
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Originally posted by Emmet View Post
What has it got to do with him being shot? I think I've "just asked questions" (this one specifically) 3 times now to no avail.
You absolutely are trying to lead us somewhere, but it doesn't make sense. Socratic without a goal?Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
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Wombat you are way off the mark here.
By the time AGS arrived at the scene he had a knife. That much seems clear from most/all reports. The Gardai at the scene don’t have time to establish the provenance of the knife. Nor, for their immediate purposes, do they care where it came from. Their primary goal at this point is to ensure he doesn’t harm anyone by keeping him away from the public, isolating him if they can and then attempt, if possible, to disarm him.
So why he was in the store, whether he brought the knife with him, whether he initiated any conflict before AGS arrived are all irrelevant at that point. It is an entirely immaterial fact to the decision to shoot.
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Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
The public order incident lead to the shooting. That's where everything kicked off. How did the public order incident transpire?You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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Originally posted by Kayroo View Post
That’s an entirely separate issue. The Garda who ultimately shoots him cannot possibly have known so it doesn’t actually play any part in the decision to shoot. It cannot.
Could what transpired in that shop have had bearing on the state of mind and resulting behavior of Nkencho in the final moments?Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
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The Constitution specifically recognises and protects your right to life (Article 40.4). Your right to life also means the right to have nature take its course and to die a natural death. That does not mean that you have the right to have your life terminated or death unnaturally accelerated
So the executioner should perhaps remember his duty is to protect ALL life . I really doubt it would be an issue in countries where life is cheap I dont think we are there yet (ganglands aside) . I hope not but from reading comments online , we really have regressed . As Clint said . Hell of a thing , killing a man
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Originally posted by Kayroo View Post
That’s an entirely separate issue. The Garda who ultimately shoots him cannot possibly have known so it doesn’t actually play any part in the decision to shoot. It cannot.
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Originally posted by Wombatman View PostCould what transpired in that shop have had bearing on the state of mind and resulting behavior of Nkencho in the final moments?
They're all equally irrelevant."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Where are you going with this Wombat?
The questions you are asking are irrelevant to the decision of how and when to disarm him.
Are you saying they shouldn’t be? And if you are? How would you imagine this information is used at any point in the whole saga?
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
You might as well ask what kind of childhood he had or what football team he supported.
They're all equally irrelevant.
Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
Maybe it's completely normal to carry a lethal weapon with you when you go down to the shops for The Sun and a litre of milk.Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
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Originally posted by Theresa View PostDogs is a good idea, you'd wonder why that wasn't used. Harsh on the animal as the risk is massive, PETA would lose it, letting an innocent dog die by knife wielding criminal instead of shooting for his legs.
A net though... like... you'd wonder sometimes.
Sure why didn't we just throw rocks at him.
Tbh, my only question about the descision to shoot was the speed in which the armed response unit was on the scene.
from attack in the shop to shooting, there seems to have been less than an hour passed. Everything else aside, that seems to be a remarkably quick time to deploy.
There is some kind of Clancy Wiggums-esque narrative where the cops follow him home attempting to cajole him into dropping a knife from a row of squad cars as he walks home?
The general public likely has less than 20% of the full story however regarding incident in store and actions/comments by the deceased.
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What are you actually trying to say Wombat?
The man’s state of mind when the Garda shot him is irrelevant. Whether or not the shot was lawful and justified depends on the objective situation on the ground as observed by the shooter and whether he (and the ESU generally) took all proper steps short of lethal force before shooting.You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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For all those who have upgraded their home office/work space i'd be interested to know if your employer paid for all/any of it or if you even asked? Best decision i made before the first lockdown was to bring the chair home with me. Absolutely vital bit of kit that you only truly appreciate when you sit in a bad one for 8+ hours a day.
I've added a few smaller pieces of kit to my set up at my own expense over the last few months but i think work (or some kind of grant) should be covering it perhaps. Especially as i guess many of us will be moving to some kind of hybrid model whenever all this ends and we all need *2 of everything.
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Originally posted by Theresa View PostWhere are you going with this Wombat?
The questions you are asking are irrelevant to the decision of how and when to disarm him.
Are you saying they shouldn’t be? And if you are? How would you imagine this information is used at any point in the whole saga?
”ah the shopkeeper used butter instead of Mayo, get the dogs instead of the guns”
I did make a suggestion days ago, outside of this discussion, that well trained dogs might have been handy the way things went down.
How did things get to the point where the shooting was deemed necessary? Is what transpired in the moment of the shooting the only issue of relevance?
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Originally posted by Kayroo View PostWhat are you actually trying to say Wombat?
The man’s state of mind when the Garda shot him is irrelevant. Whether or not the shot was lawful and justified depends on the objective situation on the ground as observed by the shooter and whether he (and the ESU generally) took all proper steps short of lethal force before shooting.
What I'm trying to say is, do we know what actually actually happened. No we don't. We shouldn't pass judgment on the actions of AGS or Nkencho until we do.Last edited by Wombatman; 05-01-21, 19:27.Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
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Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post
Tbh, my only question about the descision to shoot was the speed in which the armed response unit was on the scene.
from attack in the shop to shooting, there seems to have been less than an hour passed. Everything else aside, that seems to be a remarkably quick time to deploy.
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Originally posted by Lazare View Post
Inside the K innit.
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Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
So provocation is out of the question? I'm only hypostasizing here but would it make any difference, to the final analysis, if one of the guards said "Come at me with that knife, you black bastard, and I'll shoot you in the face". What is something like this was recorded by a body cam? Would the shooting still be justified then?
What I'm trying to say is, do we know what actually actually happened. No we don't. We shouldn't pass judgment on the actions of AGS or Nkencho until we do.
Once AGS intervene then anything they see, say or do is relevant. But you know that. So not sure why you’ve altered position here.
And I agree we should wait for GSOC’s report. Not sure anyone here is suggesting otherwise.
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Originally posted by Keane View PostI have to admit despite all the snickering here today that my immediate response to the story and the 'they couldn't subdue him so had to shoot him' bit was also 'why the fuck don't they have nets'.You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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Originally posted by Kayroo View Post
You’re changing positions now. I said how he came to have the knife and what happened in the shop is irrelevant.
Once AGS intervene then anything they see, say or do is relevant. But you know that. So not sure why you’ve altered position here.
And I agree we should wait for GSOC’s report. Not sure anyone here is suggesting otherwise.Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
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Originally posted by Kayroo View Post
Dogs. They’re supposed to deploy a canine unit if possible. Time doesn’t always allow for that. Here they supposedly tazed him and pepper sprayed him and he still kept going. If that turns out to be true I don’t think you could say they didn’t try non-lethal approaches.
I wonder what their full suite of equipment is. I don't expect it to include quilts.
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Originally posted by Lazare View Post
You have me confused dude. You expressed surprise at how quick they got there. I would guess there's a unit based in that district/division.
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Originally posted by Keane View Post
Oh yeah I had heard about the attempted tazing alright and I don't have many doubts that the guards did the best they could in a shit situation. I suppose you can't try everything but there's no attacking someone with a knife while tangled in a weighted net. A quilt would probably do it.
I wonder what their full suite of equipment is. I don't expect it to include quilts.
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Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post
Tbh, my only question about the descision to shoot was the speed in which the armed response unit was on the scene.
from attack in the shop to shooting, there seems to have been less than an hour passed. Everything else aside, that seems to be a remarkably quick time to deploy.
If the ARU is needed then its inside 5 minutes not within an hour. 15 minutes should be possible anywhere in the City .Turning millions into thousands
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