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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View Posthttps://villagemagazineireland2020.m...d-efdd1f14cfcb
Statement due later apparently. I just want to see him deny it.
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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If this is credible then Johnson is going to come under pressure for refusing the two week circuit breaker lockdown sage asked for. Also the save the economy by letting the weak die crowd are growing stronger inside the Tories recently
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostIf this is credible then Johnson is going to come under pressure for refusing the two week circuit breaker lockdown sage asked for. Also the save the economy by letting the weak die crowd are growing stronger inside the Tories recently
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Originally posted by Lazare View PostThis too shall pass.
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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View Posthttps://villagemagazineireland2020.m...d-efdd1f14cfcb
Statement due later apparently. I just want to see him deny it.
One thing that I did find curious was they wrote “To explain to Bowes how he got this confidential document, Ó Tuathail, in his multimedia message, wrote, “To be fair. Leo always delivers.” The black marker scrawled on the document was in Leo Varadkar’s handwriting. It was Leo Varadkar who asked Ó Tuathail what his home address was. It was Leo Varadkar who leaked this document to him.”
which seems to imply they have a screenshot of this or have seen the message? Why didn’t they post that?
Its all very damning but that’s a very damning piece to me.
Surely he’s gone.
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Originally posted by Theresa View Post
Most of that is circumstantial but he’s fucked. Can’t see him being able to spin this away at all.
One thing that I did find curious was they wrote “To explain to Bowes how he got this confidential document, Ó Tuathail, in his multimedia message, wrote, “To be fair. Leo always delivers.” The black marker scrawled on the document was in Leo Varadkar’s handwriting. It was Leo Varadkar who asked Ó Tuathail what his home address was. It was Leo Varadkar who leaked this document to him.”
which seems to imply they have a screenshot of this or have seen the message? Why didn’t they post that?
Its all very damning but that’s a very damning piece to me.
Surely he’s gone.
Wonder who the next Taoiseach will be.
It doesn't look good but it appears nothing unlawful: https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/202...-leo-varadkar/
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Originally posted by Murdrum View Post
Apparently it was effectively public information on April 6th and he provided the full details albeit by informal channels between April 11th-16th.
It doesn't look good but it appears nothing unlawful: https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/202...-leo-varadkar/
With that in mind it doesn’t seem to be terribly scandalous.This may or may not be an original thought of my own.
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Originally posted by Murdrum View Post
Apparently it was effectively public information on April 6th and he provided the full details albeit by informal channels between April 11th-16th.
It doesn't look good but it appears nothing unlawful: https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/202...-leo-varadkar/
It is good to get the detail but I find this exercise very frustrating. The outline of the deal was agreed about two weeks ago. The GPs have not seen it, the public have not seen it, and we have not seen it. We are being given pages of facts and figures now. We have not seen them before. I have asked the Department for them and I have asked the HSE. We have been denied access to any of the detail. We are sort of expected to stand up here now and respond.Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
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Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
I think the crux is that the details of the agreement did not give Leo's mate any edge because an agreement had been reached by the time he received the document.
He should not have shared it before it had been widely disseminated but it's hardly criminal in any respect given the agreement was made.
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Originally posted by Murdrum View Post
Yeah I just saw that on boards now too.
I think the crux is that the details of the agreement did not give Leo's mate any edge because an agreement had been reached by the time he received the document.
He should not have shared it before it had been widely disseminated but it's hardly criminal in any respect given the agreement was made.
At the very least, Leo's reputation will take some long term damage because of this.Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
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Originally posted by Theresa View Post
Yup. I see that now and he explained as much in his statement.
With that in mind it doesn’t seem to be terribly scandalous.
Interesting that the Shinnerbot that wrote it was too ashamed to put their name to it!Last edited by Strewelpeter; 31-10-20, 16:41.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
If someone where I work was seen to be leaking documents marked "Confidential: Not for Circulation", to vested interests, there would be very serious ramifications.
At the very least, Leo's reputation will take some long term damage because of this.
If Leo shared that document with his mate who has vested interest or he shared it with me, it's effectively the same thing because neither of us can now influence any outcome.
If he shared it prior to an agreement being reached then that's a different thing and very much reprehensible.
The article is poor because it insinuates the latter.
I think youre right though, it looks bad for his position long term. Handy being a GP as a back up.
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I had reservations but the kind of journalism that is well enough put together that it garners a definitive response from the elected should always be applauded.
Regardless of the motivations.
That’s how we hold people accountable. Make them make unambiguous and definitive statements around things that seem or are sketchy.
If he leaked confidential info to a buddy which gave his buddy an edge. He has to go.
If he passed on public information to a buddy then it’s not a big deal.
You can argue about the appropriateness of our Taoiseach being so buddy buddy with a person who seems to be going against government policy but unfortunately we can’t choose people’s friends.
The article does read like a vehicle to get the comment about Leo hating refugees front and center. The whole direct provision branch seemed crowbarred in.This may or may not be an original thought of my own.
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Originally posted by Murdrum View Post
Apparently it was effectively public information on April 6th and he provided the full details albeit by informal channels between April 11th-16th.
It doesn't look good but it appears nothing unlawful: https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/202...-leo-varadkar/
Originally posted by Theresa View Post
Yup. I see that now and he explained as much in his statement.
With that in mind it doesn’t seem to be terribly scandalous.
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Originally posted by Keane View Post
Ye can be forgiven for not knowing this in advance since the only person who seems to think it is the case is Leo and whoever writes his press releases.
Originally posted by IT View PostOn 3 April 2019 The Irish Times reported that the Government was close to finalising a €200 million agreement with family doctors
Two days later on April 5 the IMO issued a statement that it had reached a €210million deal with the Government for GP services.
It said the agreement would see “the long-sought reversal of the controversial FEMPI cuts of €120 million (plus €10 million in pension contributions) imposed on General Practice at the height of the financial crisis as well as an additional fund of €80 million has been secured for the management of GMS Patients with Chronic Disease in the community.
The following day on April 6 the then-Taoiseach Leo Varadkar formally announced the agreement at an event in a general practice clinic in Cabra in Dublin at which he said it would lead to the phased introduction of free GP care for children up to age 12.
The document agreed between the Government and the IMO was not published at the time, rather just the main points.
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Originally posted by Murdrum View Post
I can't recall anything about it at the time and I'm not defending him, it looks pretty bad but seems to have been made public albeit with sparse details
As is fairly clear from the 'unofficial' sharing method, the reaction of the recipients and the Dail statement by Donnelly it's fairly clear that nobody thought the press release was worth a whole lot compared to the 110-page document right? 'Where did you steal that' would be a weird reaction to seeing a document that you consider to be public domain.
I mean this is the very definition of 'spin' surely.
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Nothing illegal it seems. But most certainly damaging. MM using the words "not best practice" and "inappropriate". A lot of the people who will trenchantly defend him here because of the FG jersey would fire him in their normal course of business if he worked for / reported to them."Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by Keane View Post
There was a 1000 word press release giving a (very) broad strokes account of a 110 page agreement which wasn't eventually published until a month later.
As is fairly clear from the 'unofficial' sharing method, the reaction of the recipients and the Dail statement by Donnelly it's fairly clear that nobody thought the press release was worth a whole lot compared to the 110-page document right? 'Where did you steal that' would be a weird reaction to seeing a document that you consider to be public domain.
I mean this is the very definition of 'spin' surely.
Sharing the document doesn't give the effective "competition" an advantage. I don't disagree that he was wrong but the accusation in the article that his actions were potentially criminal appear to be nothing more than drivel.
His sharing of the document didn't break "Official Secrets Acts, 1963", "Criminal Justice (Corruption Offences) Act 2018" or even the Code of Conduct which is what was suggested.
It undoubtedly smells of cronyism but the tangible impact appears negligible on anyone/anything other than his reputation.
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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View PostNothing illegal it seems. But most certainly damaging. MM using the words "not best practice" and "inappropriate". A lot of the people who will trenchantly defend him here because of the FG jersey would fire him in their normal course of business if he worked for / reported to them.
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Originally posted by Murdrum View Post
I don't disagree with that whatsoever but the facts of the matter is that the agreement was in place prior to him sharing the document.
Sharing the document doesn't give the effective "competition" an advantage. I don't disagree that he was wrong but the accusation in the article that his actions were potentially criminal appear to be nothing more than drivel.
His sharing of the document didn't break "Official Secrets Acts, 1963", "Criminal Justice (Corruption Offences) Act 2018" or even the Code of Conduct which is what was suggested.
It undoubtedly smells of cronyism but the tangible impact appears negligible on anyone/anything other than his reputation.
It's totally possible he didn't break the law and the magazine have overegged it, but let's at least all agree that this is shitehawk carry on that he is trying to weasel out of with this 'public domain' baloney. You don't have to think this is particularly terrible to think that part of it is just sleeveeny and insulting to peoples' intelligence.Last edited by Keane; 31-10-20, 19:15.
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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View PostNothing illegal it seems. But most certainly damaging. MM using the words "not best practice" and "inappropriate". A lot of the people who will trenchantly defend him here because of the FG jersey would fire him in their normal course of business if he worked for / reported to them.
Although I see a SF Senator did resign today over malfeasance."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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He gave a Government document marked “Confidential/not for circulation” to a buddy who has no connection whatsoever to Government. That's not in dispute either. It's the kind of thing you used to hate about FF!
I think we're past "nothing burger"! Like the SF Senator, he probably should resign."Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
half that article was an obvious attempt to undermine the current govt by pointing out that Leo is undermining Martin and Donnelly.
Neither of those men need much help undermining themselves but a lot of help making a descision and sticking to it.
frankly if Leo wasn’t pushing their buttons I would be more concerned.
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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View PostHe gave a Government document marked “Confidential/not for circulation” to a buddy who has no connection whatsoever to Government. That's not in dispute either. It's the kind of thing you used to hate about FF!
I think we're past "nothing burger"! Like the SF Senator, he probably should resign.
You could tolerate wearing his Jersey if he had once ordered his gang of protection racket running thugs to drag a young widow out of her home in front of her children and be executed for no better reason than to exercise his authority. GTFO
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post
Good LOL @ your snide politics as jersey wearing schtick and then going on about it. If its a crime leave it to the Guards to deal with , if its defamation leave it to the courts.
You could tolerate wearing his Jersey if he had once ordered his gang of protection racket running thugs to drag a young widow out of her home in front of her children and be executed for no better reason than to exercise his authority. GTFO
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Originally posted by Keane View Post
If Leo broke the law then he will answer to the law and he will be very badly damaged. If he's been defamed by anon shinnerbot then the courts will have their say about that.
I neither know nor care, the article was too badly written and innuendo packed for me to make sense of or understand but it does very much affect me and am relieved that there is a new GP contract.Last edited by Strewelpeter; 31-10-20, 20:24.Turning millions into thousands
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It might be neither a crime nor defamation. It's just scumbaggery. I thought FG were supposed to be the antidote to that sort of thing but I guess not. He was doing his buddy a favour. Leo might not have benefitted from it directly, but it looks like his mate did. At the very least this is the kind of thing that exhausts your political capital and caps your career.
Anyway, the radio should be a good gas tomorrow morning."Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by Murdrum View PostSome of the theories that are floating around about what Trump might do post-election if he doesn’t win:
I never really thought what might happen if he loses and leaves the office, what will he get up to then? He’s not going to simply write a memoir and sail off into the sunset
Interesting suggestions include:
1. Selling secrets to foreign governments
2. Starting a new TV show which is apparently already in the works
3. Lifetime Republican megaphone using his 80m+ Twitter account to drum up support for others
I naively thought that the show would just stop if he lost and left office but not sure that will actually happen.I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostFFS
We need to see a lot more LOL France and a lot less of Ah feck I knew 40/1 about them winning the tournament was valoo but couldn't bring myself to take it
Ireland playing well but FFS Stockdale. I know we need to be patient with him at full back but shitting the bed when the ball is on the ground ain’t a good look.
Delighted with our scrum to be delivering parity. I Thought we were going to get fucking drilled there. Missing Ringrose from a creativity perspective I feel but I’d have taken this earlier today. Can they lift it in the 2nd half? Fingers crossed.‘IF YOU had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” Genghis Khan
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Bottlers.
A consistent theme with the international Rugby team.This may or may not be an original thought of my own.
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It's an ageing team that hasn't won a game of consequence in two years. The right approach would be to move on from a bunch of lads hanging on for a Lions send off that aren't making 2023. Not that I expect us to do that, unfortunately. Hammered in the end. No complaints."Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View PostIt's an ageing team that hasn't won a game of consequence in two years. The right approach would be to move on from a bunch of lads hanging on for a Lions send off that aren't making 2023. Not that I expect us to do that, unfortunately. Hammered in the end. No complaints.
Which is what makes the World Cup hype, every time, all the more laughable.This may or may not be an original thought of my own.
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Originally posted by Theresa View Post
Always an excuse when they should have won.
Which is what makes the World Cup hype, every time, all the more laughable."Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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