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Originally posted by RichieM View PostJust to be fair Lloyd is talking about First time buyers with an average job being priced out. That's you single income teacher, nurse or garda.
I dont think its fair to lump in Paddy on the dole looking for a garden as part of the same conversation. Those people do exist but in much smaller numbers than people think. I dont think Lloyd has ever said lets reward people who game the social welfare system at any stage.
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Originally posted by Goodluck2me View Post
Fair point, it's hard to know what to do with the teacher/nurse/garda - I guess not living in Dublin is your best bet."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Goodluck2me View PostWhat's untrammelled?
Does it have to be in a "good area", does it have to be a house or would an apartment do? Does it have to have en-suites or is a shared bathroom ok?
Genuine Q's because i'm not sure the answer wouldn't be "no" for most people.
Originally posted by Goodluck2me View PostAlso for those of you who are calling for more social housing what I can't seem to get my head around is that the standard of house there should be better than those privately owned, otherwise I see an obvious moral hazard that you're better off waiting/stalling to get one for free. FWIW both of my parent grew up in tiny council houses and they would agree, because it meant they were rewarded for their hard work. The other thing that amazes them is that the upkeep of their house was impeccable and you couldn't so much as paint your front door a different colour without permission from the council but nowadays you've got council houses being destroyed (eye-witnessed on number of occasions) with no repercussions. Do you think untrammeled access should be given to people who've wrecked a previous house?
In any case it feeds into your former point. People will always desire customisation and there will always be incentive to get something better. But the issues created over a 30 year period since the state withdrew from its responsibilities as a major builder is a lack of stock for a certain cohort of the market. We are very focussed on the current system and everything that surrounds it but it's only been with us for ~35 years.. We should never have stopped building council estates or council apartment blocks at scale, bottom line.
Anti social behaviour and arrears or any other way in which a tenant doesn't meet their end of the bargain should be managed. One of the suggestions I've seen is that difficult tenants would be rotated towards older stock. But anything you do here comes with difficulties and contention of course. That being said. this is a version of focussing on dole cheats as a method of arguing against social provision. 'Lads in tracksuits stealing off you and ruining the country'. Corner cases, as difficult and upsetting as they might be, don't detract from the overall need and objectives."Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by Kayroo View Post
Couple of things.
I never said there wasn’t a housing crisis. Only an idiot would say that. You appear to be ascribing an argument to me that I am not making and I don’t know why.
Originally posted by Kayroo View PostI agree that the avocado argument is nonsense. But that’s not the argument I am making. I am saying it’s hard to have it all. To live a life that involves a nice car, holiday abroad, eating out in restaurants regularly, plenty of trips to the theatre and cinema etc is absolutely fine. But that involves a choice about allocation of resources. It’s a legitimate and perfectly reasonable choice. My argument was with those who want that AND think that in spite of that choice they should also be able to purchase their own home (an exceptional expenditure in almost everyone’s life) without any change in their lifestyle. I am not saying housing shouldn’t be affordable, and at the moment it’s really pushing the boundaries of that concept, but even if housing prices dropped to more reasonable levels, that would still involve personal choices being made as to the allocation of income. But whenever anyone makes that argument they are pilloried for it. And I do not understand why when it is demonstrably true.
I'm sure there was always a default profile, but my parents generation often lived at home (particularly the Dubs) until they bought their house. They didn't need the same level of deposit, and houses were generally lower ratios of a single salary. So much has changed since then, and a huge amount of it is very progressive and positive socially. But it has inarguably made the path for the average buyer more difficult. It isn't always an option for people to suspend independent adult living, and even if it was, should it be a reasonable expectation? Is it reasonable for people to delay having kids in all circumstances, is that good for society? These are the types of questions couples earning average wages face. The focus of ire is on the eating out and the drinking and the holidays, but often that's just contributing to difference of time for couples who fit the profile. It's not the thing that will make the difference for couples on lower salaries with childcare responsibilities, etc. Plus, not everyone will earn higher salaries. Indeed society depends on ranges of jobs being available for ranges of remuneration.
So that's what I mean by saying 'it isn't really true'. Hypothetically no, it should never be an issue on any topic to advocate short term suffering for reward down the line. It's the essence of sporting achievement, of moving up the ladder in ones career, etc. Maybe some portion of frustration on housing relates to entitled millennials who expect to be able to live life to the full and be handed a house when they're ready to settle down. But a substantial portion of the frustration is from people working hard and playing by the rules where their only sin is trying to live an independent life. Moving further out and spending hours commuting isn't a good enough offering or, at least, it's not going to make people feel like they're winning from economic growth. Plus, the former portion can often sort themselves out relatively quickly. A year or so can be enough to get match fit.
It is tempting to not care about this once you're past it all, that it doesn't affect you and it's someone else's problem. Be careful on that though. The more people who don't get there the more the electorate will shift over time. As higher percentages of the age cohorts who vote in higher numbers no longer own property and are unlikely to ever own property. But anyway, we'll see how the next few months shake out.
"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostIs it
Since when?"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by Denny Crane View PostCould someone of the issue not be fixed by centralising more of the planning process?
"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View PostAre you looking to buy a house yourself LL?"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View Post
Since the formation of the state. They kicked off a scheme of affordable housing called "The Million pound scheme" in 1922 and have always had housing schemes and social housing developments on the books to some extent. I think few enough argue that it isn't the state's responsibility to house those who cannot house themselves. But irrespective, we went a near decade from 2011 - 2019 without an affordable housing scheme of some sort on the go, which was the longest such gap in state history."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
it's almost like something cataclysmic happened just before that period...."Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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Mrs Lao Lao has wanted to go to Ikea for a good few weeks. Apart from one or two things that we might need, I can see absolutely no point in going. There is zero rush for anything that we might need and I hate the place at the best of times.
She was thinking of going first thing Monday morning and I told her she would be fucking mad to do so - Next we see the redonk queues and I sit there smugly.
We've both been off work all this week (we were meant to be in Portugal for Primavera Sound plus lots of wine drinking, sigh!) so she has mentioned going to Ikea each day since Monday. Each time, I tell her she is mad.
With all the rain this afternoon, she decides this is the optimal time, people won't want to go out or potentially queue in the rain. I, again, tell her she is mental but she is convinced and heads off.
Just got a message from her to say that traffic was pretty bad getting over to Ikea and when she got there staff are telling people that the wait time in the queue is around 1.5 - 2 hours long so they can't guarantee that they will still be open by the time you reach the top of the queue. As such, Mrs Lao Lao is coming straight back home.
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Originally posted by hotspur View PostI just discovered (regrettably only via the Internet) that there are wallabies on Lambay Island.
Whats regrettable about learning this from the internet?. Maybe in written form you might have read more in detail?.
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Originally posted by Lao Lao View PostMrs Lao Lao has wanted to go to Ikea for a good few weeks. Apart from one or two things that we might need, I can see absolutely no point in going. There is zero rush for anything that we might need and I hate the place at the best of times.
She was thinking of going first thing Monday morning and I told her she would be fucking mad to do so - Next we see the redonk queues and I sit there smugly.
We've both been off work all this week (we were meant to be in Portugal for Primavera Sound plus lots of wine drinking, sigh!) so she has mentioned going to Ikea each day since Monday. Each time, I tell her she is mad.
With all the rain this afternoon, she decides this is the optimal time, people won't want to go out or potentially queue in the rain. I, again, tell her she is mental but she is convinced and heads off.
Just got a message from her to say that traffic was pretty bad getting over to Ikea and when she got there staff are telling people that the wait time in the queue is around 1.5 - 2 hours long so they can't guarantee that they will still be open by the time you reach the top of the queue. As such, Mrs Lao Lao is coming straight back home.
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Originally posted by rounders123 View Post
You got away with it there. I would have thought it would be mandatory to go with her. Cant think of many who would go alone. You've got a strong willed one there boyo.
'Not a fucking hope in hell '
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Originally posted by Lazare View Post
Ah running costs me bollix V, what I wouldn't give for the opportunity to spend 2 hours bumbling around on a ride on mower with ear muffs on. Headspace bliss.
Saw an oul lad on one a few weeks ago and was mad jealous.I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that
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Originally posted by Lazare View PostI work near IKEA, wife texted me at about 4:45 to pop over and grab something. Was in Trim this afternoon though, thank fuck.
She'd have made me take that chance and wait in the rain.
To which I'd always reply, 'Not a fucking hope in hell'
I really can't stand the place. I accept that they have some reasonably decent bits and bobs at very keen prices but the whole place just puts me on life tilt.
It doesn't help that my missus style of shopping is to pick up EVERY SINGLE ITEM in the shop and look at it. It doesn't matter if she is in a boutique dress shop that has 10 items on display or Ikea that has 15 million items on display, every item must be picked up.
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I can't thank posts or click many buttons on this site since the upgrade without getting errors but I'm just posting to pass on thanks for all of Lloyd's posting. Tried to click like so many times to no avail!
EDIT: Seems in managing to post this I broke the curse and now can click away to my heart's content without an error.
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Originally posted by Lao Lao View Post
I work just the other side of the M50 from it. Pre Covid, I'd regularly get 'If I give you a list of things to get, will you pop in on your lunch break and pick them up?'
To which I'd always reply, 'Not a fucking hope in hell'
I really can't stand the place. I accept that they have some reasonably decent bits and bobs at very keen prices but the whole place just puts me on life tilt.
It doesn't help that my missus style of shopping is to pick up EVERY SINGLE ITEM in the shop and look at it. It doesn't matter if she is in a boutique dress shop that has 10 items on display or Ikea that has 15 million items on display, every item must be picked up.
​​​​​​I can't think of a fresher Hell than queuing for 2 hours to spend 2 hours in IKEA.
Maybe add a hangover in to the mix to make it a touch worse.
I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that
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Originally posted by Lazare View Post
I'm with you brother. My wife is the exact same.
​​​​​​I can't think of a fresher Hell than queuing for 2 hours to spend 2 hours in IKEA.
Maybe add a hangover in to the mix to make it a touch worse.
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostMan, this guy seems ready. And impressive. Worth a watch if you haven't heard too much of him aside from short sound clips.'Mental Toughness is doing the right thing for the team when it's not the best thing for you' - Bill Belichick
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Screenshot_20200611_204409.jpg 9 years ago today people! Barry's was it. And I was renamed SatNav all because I thought westmeath was in county meath ​ ​ ​ ​Her sky-ness
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Originally posted by SatNav View PostScreenshot_20200611_204409.jpg 9 years ago today people! Barry's was it. And I was renamed SatNav all because I thought westmeath was in county meath ​ ​ ​ ​
Some craic that night.
​I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that
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Originally posted by Denny Crane View PostCould someone of the issue not be fixed by centralising more of the planning process?
Don't think rhe system cant be centralised as things stand as Councils will do everything they can to stop it and on the other side people will say that you are further eroding public participation which won't go down well
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...Last edited by Hitchhiker's Guide To...; 11-06-20, 22:18."We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil
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Originally posted by SatNav View PostScreenshot_20200611_204409.jpg 9 years ago today people! Barry's was it. And I was renamed SatNav all because I thought westmeath was in county meath ​ ​ ​ ​
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Originally posted by cardshark202 View PostI can't thank posts or click many buttons on this site since the upgrade without getting errors but I'm just posting to pass on thanks for all of Lloyd's posting. Tried to click like so many times to no avail!
EDIT: Seems in managing to post this I broke the curse and now can click away to my heart's content without an error."Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes
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+1 to that Lloyd. Thread makes for great reading having an opposing viewpoint to the circle jerk that can happen on this thread. I haven't always been in agreement on some of the recent election stuff but personally think some people have lost the plot in the last few pages. One in particular I am surprised to see spouting such nonsense.
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Originally posted by Opr View Post+1 to that Lloyd. Thread makes for great reading having an opposing viewpoint to the circle jerk that can happen on this thread. I haven't always been in agreement on some of the recent election stuff but personally think some people have lost the plot in the last few pages. One in particular I am surprised to see spouting such nonsense.
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Originally posted by Opr View PostJust pulled the trigger on the Oculus Quest. Nothing like something being constantly out of stock to give you a bit of FOMO when stock becomes available. Most likely will become a dust collector after the first month.
The whole setup with the headset still feels far too cumbersome. It is completely wireless but just the weight and bulk are too much. The games are still way off. It often feels like you are playing the Tetris of VR. They are overcoming this very quickly with streaming stuff from a more powerful device with very little latency which means the headset will become more lightweight and internet speeds are the only real major obstacle. It is extremely scary though to think where this will go in the future.
Edit - Meant to say despite limitations. Highly recommend. So much fun in some of the games. I am not a gamer at all but the experiences in these are far different. I think Oculus/FB is actually losing money on the headsets at current prices. I guess it is more about getting people using the tech.Last edited by Opr; 12-06-20, 00:09.
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Originally posted by LuckyLloydI think a lot of time gets spent worrying about moral hazards and - whether the arguments stack up or not - some people hate the idea of someone getting something nice for free or cheap.
It's obviously not the right attitude, but I don't think it's going to change in Ireland or anywhere any time soon.
The standard of house should be high because the state is going to own and operate the housing stock for decades into the future. Building them to a high spec will pay off over the long haul. They're still managing large swathes of stock built 90 years ago and I don't expect it will be much different this time around.
They obviously shouldn't be poorly constructed. They should aim for a lifespan in line with any other home. But High-Spec generally refers to finishes and fitout elements not structure, and it doesn't necessarily relate to lifespan. It's also not zero cost either. It's easy to say the goal should be top spec as a general comment, but in reality the more the spec is increased the lower the number of homes that can be provided. That's important.
Of course it goes both ways, low cost and budget materials will sacrifice durability and there's little point finishes off cheaply in order to stretch it out. It's a balancing act between cost and quality. That a issue that pertains to all design and construction really. Once target standards of functionality and durability are met, it's hard to see the value in going too far beyond that.
Originally posted by LuckyLloydBut irrespective, we went a near decade from 2011 - 2019 without an affordable housing scheme of some sort on the go, which was the longest such gap in state history.
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Originally posted by dinekes View PostThat's Martin married to Smurf in bottom pic
and in no particular order...
Gholimoli twice
Dom and Kayroo (think its Kayroo)
Denis Reyes and Pat?
Lazare
recognise the others
Wasnt there as it happensHer sky-ness
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I agree with absolutely everthing Lloyd has said. Struck me as the world becomes more polar, you are this or you are this, that the platfroms really have a lot to answer for. we ecourage ppl to decide in a split second of they like someone or not, and expect that not to corrode our humanity. Like I feel rage and contempt and disdain for all those arguing against simple and true assumptions and points he is making but maybe thats just all the fucking hate we are drowning in. fuck that, and fuck you too.
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Originally posted by jbravado View PostI agree with absolutely everthing Lloyd has said. Struck me as the world becomes more polar, you are this or you are this, that the platfroms really have a lot to answer for. we ecourage ppl to decide in a split second of they like someone or not, and expect that not to corrode our humanity. Like I feel rage and contempt and disdain for all those arguing against simple and true assumptions and points he is making but maybe thats just all the fucking hate we are drowning in. fuck that, and fuck you too.
This may or may not be an original thought of my own.
All efforts were made to make this thought original but with the abundance of thoughts in the world the originality of this thought cannot be guaranteed.
The author is not liable for any issue arising from the platitudinous nature of this post.
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Opr Is there an app called Vrtify available on it?
A live gig app I had on the Samsung headset. There wasn't much content on it but there was a Gorillaz and a The XX gig up there and they were mind blowing.
Gorillaz one was a straight forward gig where you were up on stage beside the band one minute then out in the crowd the next. They had VR cameras set up in four or five locations. The XX one was seriously mind blowing though, they used the tech in really clever ways. Very difficult to describe the experience, was something totally new and absolutely amazing.
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Originally posted by Lazare View PostOpr Is there an app called Vrtify available on it?
A live gig app I had on the Samsung headset. There wasn't much content on it but there was a Gorillaz and a The XX gig up there and they were mind blowing.
Gorillaz one was a straight forward gig where you were up on stage beside the band one minute then out in the crowd the next. They had VR cameras set up in four or five locations. The XX one was seriously mind blowing though, they used the tech in really clever ways. Very difficult to describe the experience, was something totally new and absolutely amazing.
Someone check on Sam , hes gone all Amy Winehouse.
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