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    Martial injured I suspect riga mortis.

    Marital. Congrats Dobby

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      Originally posted by dobby View Post

      You're definitely better off. A despicable character. Was spearheading the "me too" movement in Ireland and saying we should always believe women 100% regardless of whether they could be making false claims or not. Big advocate of the "I believe her" shtick after the rugby players were acquitted up north.

      Funny all this is coming out now with him as the accused. Wonder how he feels. Gobshite.
      Whole thing is mad.

      I'm not making a call on it either way until this girl makes a formal complaint to Gardai and comes out publically (although her coming out publically isn't really super necessary). IDGAF if that makes part of the problem of the societal problem of not believing women.
      This may or may not be an original thought of my own.
      All efforts were made to make this thought original but with the abundance of thoughts in the world the originality of this thought cannot be guaranteed.
      The author is not liable for any issue arising from the platitudinous nature of this post.

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        Think he was one of the more vocal opponents to certain lyrics in Fairytale of New York, going so far as to refuse to play it. May be thinking of someone else though.

        All i know is that they lost a listener to 2fm in the mornings when he took over the Breakfast Show. Not sure how anyone would want to be woken up to his voice and that of his co-host tbh. A load of firecrackers next to the bed would be a more pleasant alarm.

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          wahaay dobs! hopefully this will ensure an even more reliable leaking of key political televised announcements.
          "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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            Hollie Doyle gone off on one at Kempton tonight

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              Originally posted by Degag View Post
              Think he was one of the more vocal opponents to certain lyrics in Fairytale of New York, going so far as to refuse to play it. May be thinking of someone else though.

              All i know is that they lost a listener to 2fm in the mornings when he took over the Breakfast Show. Not sure how anyone would want to be woken up to his voice and that of his co-host tbh. A load of firecrackers next to the bed would be a more pleasant alarm.
              No that was him re fairytale, think he was at the same with money for nothing by dire straits
              was also a mental health grifter
              Think he gets plenty of hate sure to above so when I heard the rumours thought it could be a wind up on him but events re his job make it look like there’s something there
              what is it about these male feminists

              on a slightly related note- never trust a man who wears a neckerchief

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                Why aren’t we seeing names and pictures of the Davy scumbags?

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                  Originally posted by Degag View Post
                  Think he was one of the more vocal opponents to certain lyrics in Fairytale of New York, going so far as to refuse to play it. May be thinking of someone else though.

                  All i know is that they lost a listener to 2fm in the mornings when he took over the Breakfast Show. Not sure how anyone would want to be woken up to his voice and that of his co-host tbh. A load of firecrackers next to the bed would be a more pleasant alarm.
                  You're correct, that was him. Made a massive deal out of it and was the main reason I just assumed he was gay.

                  Identifies as a feminist, always wary of men identifying as such.

                  Has "Be Kind" on his Instagram heading. Fucking lol at that. Its dangerous taking the moral high ground. The fall is a lot harder from up there.

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                    Originally posted by PSV58 View Post

                    No that was him re fairytale, think he was at the same with money for nothing by dire straits
                    was also a mental health grifter
                    Think he gets plenty of hate sure to above so when I heard the rumours thought it could be a wind up on him but events re his job make it look like there’s something there
                    what is it about these male feminists

                    on a slightly related note- never trust a man who wears a neckerchief
                    ha, thats some phrase. Its definitely a thing though.
                    "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                      Master of Puppets released 35 years ago today.

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                        Originally posted by BennyHiFi View Post
                        Master of Puppets released 35 years ago today.

                        So good, I bought a guitar just to learn their songs as a kid and this was one of the first.

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                          Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
                          I have no idea as to the truth of the allegations against McDermott, but I'm taken aback by how easy it would be to maliciously destroy someone's reputation via social media.
                          My brothers ex tried to get him fired by his agent by making stuff up like this, thankfully she was very bad at it. She went as far as writing letters to them, address written in her writing pretending to be a law firm etc.
                          Last edited by Tar.Aldarion; 03-03-21, 20:19.

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                            Originally posted by Tar.Aldarion View Post

                            So good, I bought a guitar just to learn their songs as a kid and this was one of the first.
                            I'm a fair bit older than you I'd think and so did I - when it came out! (Along with Among the Living by Anthrax and the undisputed king of 'em all, Slayer's Reign in Blood.)

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                              Where do UL get off, threatening to suspend or expel students, caught partying off campus? Surely what students do off campus, is of no concern to a third level education service provider.
                              Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                                Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
                                Where do UL get off, threatening to suspend or expel students, caught partying off campus? Surely what students do off campus, is of no concern to a third level education service provider.
                                Course it is, they are endangering other students. Same as somebody who assaulted me getting in shit, even though it happened off campus.

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                                  Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
                                  Surely what students do off campus, is of no concern to a third level education service provider.
                                  I think you'll find it is.
                                  "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                    Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                    I think you'll find it is.
                                    Well, look at what we're dealing with here.

                                    A.
                                    SPOILER
                                    Gentlemen of Harvard

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                                    B.
                                    SPOILER
                                    Gentlemen of the University of Limerick

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                                      Originally posted by Tar.Aldarion View Post
                                      Course it is, they are endangering other students. Same as somebody who assaulted me getting in shit, even though it happened off campus.
                                      Assault is a criminal offence, a matter for the civil authorities, not some university official for goodness sake. Same with the breach of covid restrictions.
                                      So if I sign up and pay for up to an Open University course, they can police my behavior. Please...
                                      Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                                        It's got nothing in the slightest to do with the uni. The uni is neither the mother nor the court of adults turning up to be educated in a subject. Now if they were doing stuff on campus, sure. That could be argued as a risk to other students. But random things done outside uni. Fuck off.

                                        "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                          We need to slow down on cancel culture. A random letter written about a dude ends his career, when literally the only thing we really know about him is that he is nice when buying floorboards. Chuck students out for acting like students in their own spare time. .
                                          "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                            Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

                                            Assault is a criminal offence, a matter for the civil authorities, not some university official for goodness sake. Same with the breach of covid restrictions.
                                            So if I sign up and pay for up to an Open University course, they can police my behavior. Please...
                                            The gards are the ones who told me to report it to the university for it to be taken care of by them also. Code of conduct, endangering other students etc.
                                            It's not dissimilar to a job, where people are fired all the time for stuff outside of work. There are of course limits, but willfully endangering others is not brushing off them. I'd say the majority of bullying in schools takes place off grounds, via internet etc. Children often kill themselves over it (a friend in my school did), should schools have no say? They have an onus to protect their students and ensure the smooth running of the school.

                                            What happens when these kids go to uni and some vulnerable student dies from Covid? Or the school has to be shut down due to an outbreak - somebodies family member dies, and the school knew about these parties. Oh, our hands were tied? Boys will be boys?

                                            (I haven't read whatever the story is, talking about in general)
                                            Last edited by Tar.Aldarion; 03-03-21, 23:31.

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                                              Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                              We need to slow down on cancel culture. A random letter written about a dude ends his career, when literally the only thing we really know about him is that he is nice when buying floorboards. Chuck students out for acting like students in their own spare time. .
                                              he was asking about laying instructions so I’m a bit more worried now seen all the goings on

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                                                Originally posted by Tar.Aldarion View Post

                                                The gards are the ones who told me to report it to the university for it to be taken care of by them also. Code of conduct, endangering other students etc.
                                                It's not dissimilar to a job, where people are fired all the time for stuff outside of work. There are of course limits, but willfully endangering others is not brushing off them. I'd say the majority of bullying in schools takes place off grounds, via internet etc. Children often kill themselves over it (a friend in my school did), should schools have no say? They have an onus to protect their students and ensure the smooth running of the school.

                                                What happens when these kids go to uni and some vulnerable student dies from Covid? Or the school has to be shut down due to an outbreak - somebodies family member dies, and the school knew about these parties. Oh, our hands were tied? Boys will be boys?

                                                (I haven't read whatever the story is, talking about in general)
                                                I think you might be misunderstanding. Students aren't going to uni though. It's all shut - so there's no possibility of impacting other students. They were told back in September there might be classes, so some entered into yearlong contracts for accommodation and are stuck there. They aren't actually going into uni. They are just coincidentally living beside the uni.
                                                "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                  Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post

                                                  I think you might be misunderstanding. Students aren't going to uni though. It's all shut - so there's no possibility of impacting other students. They were told back in September there might be classes, so some entered into yearlong contracts for accommodation and are stuck there. They aren't actually going into uni. They are just coincidentally living beside the uni.
                                                  Just because I don't know, but I guess the answer is 'yes', do students sign some kind of code of conduct form when they enter university?

                                                  Imagining they do because my secondary schooler has to do it every year.
                                                  "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                    I'd say if there were camera phones back in the 80s and 90s a lot of us would have been cancelled a long time ago (or else still in the slammer with concurrent sentences)

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                                                      Yes Dobby! Fair play mate
                                                      airport, lol

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                                                        Originally posted by Dice75 View Post
                                                        I'd say if there were camera phones back in the 80s and 90s a lot of us would have been cancelled a long time ago (or else still in the slammer with concurrent sentences)
                                                        Definitely dodged many bullets there .

                                                        if I was on a stag night or something and someone was filming\taking pics of anything, you would be telling them to stop (unless it was something as innocent as happy lads being happy in a group photo).
                                                        "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                          Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                          We need to slow down on cancel culture. A random letter written about a dude ends his career, when literally the only thing we really know about him is that he is nice when buying floorboards. Chuck students out for acting like students in their own spare time. .
                                                          I completely agree, the cancel culture and trial by social media is extremely reckless and somehow it needs to stop. But I am enjoying the irony of it happening to this particular individual as he was cheerleading it when other stories broke.

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                                                            Originally posted by dobby View Post

                                                            I completely agree, the cancel culture and trial by social media is extremely reckless and somehow it needs to stop. But I am enjoying the irony of it happening to this particular individual as he was cheerleading it when other stories broke.
                                                            There was always something suspicious about how he positioned himself at the forefront of the me too movement - he was heavily involved in leading the cancellation mob against George Hook
                                                            Perfected the art of converting “mental health” into column inches and airtime too.

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                                                              Gordon Elliott not looking so bad now
                                                              theres a cancel culture shots how if you want to talk about one- and I hate horse racing

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                                                                Gordon Elliott not looking so bad now
                                                                theres a cancel culture shots how if you want to talk about one- and I hate horse racing

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                                                                  At NCT the girl at the counter called me 'love' ...shock, horror

                                                                  Passed the bloody thing. It was retest for bulbs and for wiper control stalk problem.

                                                                  Front dimmer bulb a bitch to replace. Tail light/reg light handy enough to replace in my car anyway.
                                                                  WD40 for the wiper stalk (great stuff altogether, sorted squeaky hinges in apartment and apartment building common entrance door which had been annoying me while I was at it)

                                                                  Checked tail light bulb 1 hour before test...not working..get it working but can tell its a bit dodge ...arrive at test centre..check it again and it's not working..no time to do anything...slap palm against the plastic ...works!! Manages to pass test but not working when I got home. Will fix later.

                                                                  Now for a lie down after all that excitement

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                                                                    From the University of Limerick student handbook code of conduct section:

                                                                    Not engage in any conduct liable to or calculated to infringe the rights or lawful activities
                                                                    of others on the University Campus or otherwise engage in any activity calculated or likely
                                                                    to bring the University into disrepute, whether on the University property or otherwise.
                                                                    So obviously includes lockdown flaunting party off campus imo

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                                                                      Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post

                                                                      I think you might be misunderstanding. Students aren't going to uni though. It's all shut - so there's no possibility of impacting other students. They were told back in September there might be classes, so some entered into yearlong contracts for accommodation and are stuck there. They aren't actually going into uni. They are just coincidentally living beside the uni.
                                                                      Wouldn't matter if they were attending or not. If incident happened on campus OK, but this is off campus.

                                                                      Think about it. What agency of the Uni will investigate, judge and take action based on a students behavior while off campus? If they plan to suspend or expel how will they know who was involved in a misdemeanor off campus? If a student if fined for littering off campus is a grounds for suspension or expulsion?

                                                                      It's none of their business. Uni's are education service providers with a inflated idea of themselves. What's next, you can get barred from your gym for getting a speeding ticket?

                                                                      Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                                                                        Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

                                                                        Wouldn't matter if they were attending or not. If incident happened on campus OK, but this is off campus.

                                                                        Think about it. What agency of the Uni will investigate, judge and take action based on a students behavior while off campus? If they plan to suspend or expel how will they know who was involved in a misdemeanor off campus? If a student if fined for littering off campus is a grounds for suspension or expulsion?

                                                                        It's none of their business. Uni's are education service providers with a inflated idea of themselves. What's next, you can get barred from your gym for getting a speeding ticket?
                                                                        We're agreeing with each other, just for the sake of clarity in case I haven't phrased it right. Completely agreeing. It's the vegan boy who is the problem.
                                                                        "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                                          Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

                                                                          Wouldn't matter if they were attending or not. If incident happened on campus OK, but this is off campus.

                                                                          Think about it. What agency of the Uni will investigate, judge and take action based on a students behavior while off campus? If they plan to suspend or expel how will they know who was involved in a misdemeanor off campus? If a student if fined for littering off campus is a grounds for suspension or expulsion?

                                                                          It's none of their business. Uni's are education service providers with a inflated idea of themselves. What's next, you can get barred from your gym for getting a speeding ticket?
                                                                          You may remember the Galway rag week shenanigans from a few years back. Wasn't on-campus either....
                                                                          The college president, Dr Jim Browne, has called for an end to 'College Week' and officials have warned that offending students will be expelled.
                                                                          Of course acting the bollix during normal times is merely a nuisance.
                                                                          Doing it during a pandemic and wilfully breaking public health restrictions that are in place to save lives is obviously of another, much more serious, order of magnitude. These people are obviously too stupid to go to university, so expelling them probably saves time on failing them out at exam time.
                                                                          "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                            Whatever about the students please tell me there’s not some stupid human rights law that will prohibit people who refuse to take covid 19 vaccines from being shunned
                                                                            i want to see the barred from entering public buildings/air travel/public transport/bars etc

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                                                                              The thing is, these days you are hung drawn and quartered by social media long before the facts are verified , it’s a merciless new media we have now and everyone and anyone get to stick the boot in. If you don’t adjust to that you’ll have mental issues. However to temper all that, the daily thirst for more hangings and new scandals means it VERY quickly becomes old news. So ride the storm , sneak away for a wee while and come back , you’ll still have to dodge the bullets but the drooler masses will have moved on.



                                                                              As for the Unis and covid, it’s a tricky one, on the one hand you are off campus however on the other hand you might bring a virus back on site. I sit behind the, let the law deal with it brigade but I see where the Unis are coming from. Surely the prestige of being part of a particular Uni is worth something to them. Acting like idiots possibly drags down the image somewhat.
                                                                              They need Al Pacino to defend them - If I were the man I was 10 years ago, I’d take a FLAMETHROWER to the place.



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                                                                                Originally posted by hotspur View Post
                                                                                From the University of Limerick student handbook code of conduct section:



                                                                                So obviously includes lockdown flaunting party off campus imo
                                                                                seems pretty clear-cut and the university are well within their rights
                                                                                "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                  Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                                  Just because I don't know, but I guess the answer is 'yes', do students sign some kind of code of conduct form when they enter university?

                                                                                  Imagining they do because my secondary schooler has to do it every year.
                                                                                  I can't imagine those codes of conduct have any legal power. It seems an especially mad idea for secondary school - an 11 year old can sign a binding contract that ties how they carry out their life outside of school can have an impact on their ability to stay in school? That surely has no power.
                                                                                  "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                                                    Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                                    You may remember the Galway rag week shenanigans from a few years back. Wasn't on-campus either....


                                                                                    Of course acting the bollix during normal times is merely a nuisance.
                                                                                    Doing it during a pandemic and wilfully breaking public health restrictions that are in place to save lives is obviously of another, much more serious, order of magnitude. These people are obviously too stupid to go to university, so expelling them probably saves time on failing them out at exam time.
                                                                                    You're just mad keen to cancel everyone. All those golfers a few months ago, now students for being students. No acceptance of mistakes, everyone must lose everything. Its like authoritarian snowflakery.
                                                                                    "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                                                      A university needs to police adults outside of campus? Does an employer need to monitor their employees activities? Cop on lads.
                                                                                      Jayzus, Sheila! I forgot me feckin' trousers

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                                                                                        Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                                        I can't imagine those codes of conduct have any legal power..
                                                                                        There is loads of precedent.

                                                                                        Syracuse:
                                                                                        Some are brazenly breaking rules, like the hundreds of Syracuse University students who risked everyone's safety — and everyone's semester — by partying like it's not2020 in late August. Twenty-three students at that party got interim suspensions and were kicked off campus for what Syracuse officials described as "incredibly reckless behavior."
                                                                                        North Western:
                                                                                        The same thing is happening to students at smaller, more "chill" gatherings. At Northeastern University, 11 students were caught hanging out together in one room, in violation of bans on having guests in campus housing and on participating in crowded gatherings.

                                                                                        "I was just, like, come on — that's really irresponsible and selfish," junior Avery Collard said about the students who were all kicked off campus and out of their program for the semester.
                                                                                        Exeter:
                                                                                        Exeter confirmed it had suspended “a small number” of students for breaking the university’s Covid rules amid a surge in infections. Scores of students elsewhere have been fined following illegal parties, with one university threatening penalties of up to £500.
                                                                                        I think the 'irresponsible and selfish' quote covers it really. These Limerick students are adults, they should face the consequences of their actions and people shouldn't be making excuses for them.


                                                                                        "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                          Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                                          There is loads of precedent.

                                                                                          Syracuse:


                                                                                          North Western:


                                                                                          Exeter:


                                                                                          I think the 'irresponsible and selfish' quote covers it really. These Limerick students are adults, they should face the consequences of their actions and people shouldn't be making excuses for them.

                                                                                          All on campus I expect.
                                                                                          Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                                                                                            Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post

                                                                                            You're just mad keen to cancel everyone. All those golfers a few months ago, now students for being students. No acceptance of mistakes, everyone must lose everything. Its like authoritarian snowflakery.
                                                                                            I see you have joined the MAGAnauts in using 'cancel culture' and 'snowflakery' as a false flag to cover up your lack of any actual argument.

                                                                                            I love your downplaying of the seriousness though: 'students being students'. It's like this is entirely inconsequential behaviour in your mind.

                                                                                            If one of those maskless fools with their arms around each other has the UK variant, you'll see clusters all over Limerick within 10 days. Any vulnerable non-vaccinated person who gets covid as a result will likely die, lots of others will get very sick with potential long-term effects. Those are the real-world consequences to this 'students being students' behaviour. It is inexcusable and the university are well within their rights to threaten action (not that I think they will actually do anything).
                                                                                            "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                              Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

                                                                                              All on campus I expect.
                                                                                              Not at all

                                                                                              here's another example - street parties by Nottingham University students. Sound familiar?

                                                                                              A police chief has said some students should be expelled for breaching Covid rules after at least 10 city parties were broken up over the weekend.

                                                                                              The gatherings, all in Nottingham, came after Nottinghamshire became subject to tier three restrictions on Friday.

                                                                                              One party, in Plumptre Street, led to the organiser being fined £10,000 and 38 guests fined £200 each.

                                                                                              Both of the city's universities have said they could expel the most serious rule-breakers.

                                                                                              Chief Constable Craig Guildford said students were not grasping the gravity of the Covid-19 situation.
                                                                                              "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                                Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                                                                                I think the 'irresponsible and selfish' quote covers it really. These Limerick students are adults, they should face the consequences of their actions and people shouldn't be making excuses for them.
                                                                                                Absolutely. The civil authorities should throw the book at them, just like any other group flouting restriction.
                                                                                                Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                                                                                                  Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

                                                                                                  Absolutely. The civil authorities should throw the book at them, just like any other group flouting restriction.
                                                                                                  Just to take this to extremes then and test your division of responsibility.

                                                                                                  The students are adults and subject to the law. But whatever they do off-campus is no concern of the Univeristy. This is your argument?
                                                                                                  "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                                    Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                                                    Just to take this to extremes then and test your division of responsibility.

                                                                                                    The students are adults and subject to the law. But whatever they do off-campus is no concern of the Univeristy. This is your argument?
                                                                                                    Pretty much. Similar to a company and an employee when employee is no longer acting as an agent of the company.

                                                                                                    In the Nottingham case were they expelled? Probably not. More posturing and treating adults like children. Maybe we should threaten to send the to the bold step?
                                                                                                    Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                                                                                                      Originally posted by Tar.Aldarion View Post
                                                                                                      After a few weeks of Portuguese (essentially Spanish) I was able to have a basic conversation with my ex - after months of Hungarian I can't say my girlfriends name right). It's a joke how hard I am finding this compared to French and Portuguese.
                                                                                                      Not to suggest Hungarian isn't ridiculously hard. I think the above might not be the best metric as languages are related (or unrelated) and we all have some base to start from.
                                                                                                      When you gave portugese a go, previous experience in French or another of the Romance languages was a head start. Even english is technically part of the same indo-european language family as French/German/Spanish/Italian along with a few hundred others. Plus there's the exposure side, but I've pick up a number of words over the years from TV/Movies or whatever.

                                                                                                      Hungarian is an entirely different family. It's not distance cousin or whatever. It's a different species. I'd wonder if a Finnish speaker would pick it up faster. As Finnish is also in that reject family.

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                                                                                                        Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

                                                                                                        Pretty much. Similar to a company and an employee when employee is no longer acting as an agent of the company.

                                                                                                        In the Nottingham case were they expelled? Probably not. More posturing and treating adults like children. Maybe we should threaten to send the to the bold step?
                                                                                                        People get treated according to how they behave. Having a massive street party during a pandemic is incredibly childish behaviour (except that's probably a bit insulting to actual children).

                                                                                                        So, to test your position further (now that you have clarified it so exquisitely):
                                                                                                        1. A student rapes another student in an off-campus apartment. He somehow gets a suspended sentence due to daddy being a judge. Per your position, he should face no consequences from the university and should be allowed continue to attend classes and take exams.
                                                                                                        2. An employee of a company, helpfully wearing his ID badge () attends a riot at, let's say the US Congress, and is filmed engaging in unlawful violence. The company should do nothing about this and he should continue to come to work.
                                                                                                        Agree\disagree?
                                                                                                        "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                                          Whatever happened to Raouls political party based on tax cuts and fiscal probity, that won so many votes on here, and when did it turn into this dystopic moral police, no one can make a mistake in life, party.
                                                                                                          "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                                                                            Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                                                            Whatever happened to Raouls political party based on tax cuts and fiscal probity, that won so many votes on here, and when did it turn into this dystopic moral police, no one can make a mistake in life, party.
                                                                                                            I'm simply pointing out that actions have consequences. That's not 'cancel culture', snowflakery' or 'dystopian moral policing'.

                                                                                                            If (presumably functioning but you have to wonder) adults in the midst of a pandemic decide to engage in insanely risky behaviour that is very likely to cause death and\or serious infection, then yes, they must accept the consequences of that behaviour, whatever form that may take. And the universities quite clearly give themselves the power to sanction students for off-campus misbehaviour. Including your own institution.

                                                                                                            Set out below is a non-exhaustive list of offences that may result in the initiation of disciplinary procedures under this Code.
                                                                                                            Any activity, whether committed on or off campus, which adversely impacts, or is likely to adversely impact, the reputation of the University, its students or members of staff.
                                                                                                            It's not innocent student fun and games, which would under normal circumstances be, well, normal. It is literally life-threatening. That's why we have public health regulations and why the Gardai are out there enforcing them. I actually can't believe people need this explained to them at this stage!

                                                                                                            And yes, if I was reeling around the street at the weekend half-cut in the middle of a maskless crowd, and my employer caught me at it I am very sure I would be sanctioned...and I would deserve it.
                                                                                                            "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                                              It just seems a pretty shit world to want to live in, where you are essentially telling people they should be made unemployable because of one party. And thats exactly what you are saying - they would have a few year gap on their CVs that they would have to explain and its hard to see any company wanting to employ them.

                                                                                                              So we're not disagreeing on it not being a good idea to have parties in the middle of a pandemic. We're disagreeing on the solution being to make people unemployable in decent jobs full-stop. Thats the dystopic part. Just to be clear. And it is dystopic. I don't even think the Black Mirror episode on social rating went so far as to imagine actually destroying lives for single social mistakes. You've gone there though - you've outmirrored black mirror.
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                                                                                                                Some of us are arguing what is the case in respect of regulations and enforcement, and others what ought to be the case. It is clearly the case that universities and employers can and do expel / fire people for outside behaviour.

                                                                                                                Whether and to what extent they ought to is another matter, and certainly not a simple dichotomy either.

                                                                                                                ​​​​​Surely even a few seconds of thinking about the most extreme of possibilities would render arguments of total separation of external behaviour untenable.

                                                                                                                'Who did you get put with for your group project Sarah?'
                                                                                                                ​​​​​​​'Groan, I'm with Larry the convicted rapist who is currently facing new charges of raping 34 women last semester. And Barry who is awaiting trial for kicking Ali to death and uploading it to Tic Too last month.'

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                                                                                                                  I actually know someone precisely like that. My best friend as a kid. He got caught up in something stupid, but ultimately non harmful, in work. For reputational reasons they fired him. He took them to a workplace tribunal and won, but it was too late, he just couldn't get another job in finance again. Worked in a bookies for a year, contemplated opening a chippers, then went to New Zealand where he thought he might be able to get a finance job there, but lack of reference put a stop to that, so he now washes windows for a living. I think he's happy and all, its not too tragic a story, but he's fairly pissed off about being forced into that. Twenty years later and he's still living the consequences.

                                                                                                                  Thats what all these firings ultimately lead to. Its only if you don't think about the personal consequences that you are so happy to have everyone fired. These students would pay the price forever if this happened, and we need to weigh the consequences of our demands for justice. To be sure that the justice we demand is the correct price for the harm caused.
                                                                                                                  "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                                                                                    Um, see Raoul had already articulated the rapey argument. I blame the DJ's of this country for poisoning our minds like this.

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                                                                                                                      Originally posted by hotspur View Post
                                                                                                                      Some of us are arguing what is the case in respect of regulations and enforcement, and others what ought to be the case. It is clearly the case that universities and employers can and do expel / fire people for outside behaviour.

                                                                                                                      Whether and to what extent they ought to is another matter, and certainly not a simple dichotomy either.

                                                                                                                      ​​​​​Surely even a few seconds of thinking about the most extreme of possibilities would render arguments of total separation of external behaviour untenable.

                                                                                                                      'Who did you get put with for your group project Sarah?'
                                                                                                                      'Groan, I'm with Larry the convicted rapist who is currently facing new charges of raping 34 women last semester. And Barry who is awaiting trial for kicking Ali to death and uploading it to Tic Too last month.'
                                                                                                                      I guess you realise the weakness of your argument - that you couldn't use the actual example 'Larry who attended a party last year' (as there's no classes happening this year) in your argument as it would look too weak. Thats a sign of a failing argument right there, when the actual argument is too weak to use so you have to substitute it with absurd examples.
                                                                                                                      "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                                                                        It just seems a pretty shit world to want to live in, where you are essentially telling people they should be made unemployable because of one party. And thats exactly what you are saying - they would have a few year gap on their CVs that they would have to explain and its hard to see any company wanting to employ them.

                                                                                                                        So we're not disagreeing on it not being a good idea to have parties in the middle of a pandemic. We're disagreeing on the solution being to make people unemployable in decent jobs full-stop. Thats the dystopic part. Just to be clear. And it is dystopic. I don't even think the Black Mirror episode on social rating went so far as to imagine actually destroying lives for single social mistakes. You've gone there though - you've outmirrored black mirror.
                                                                                                                        Well, seeing as we have identified a problem (students breaching public health guidelines), here's a possible solution.
                                                                                                                        Give them fair warning.

                                                                                                                        Each university writes to their student body today. Something like:
                                                                                                                        "we have been made aware of breaches of public health regulations by students at this university.
                                                                                                                        From today onwards, we wish to inform students that the university will enforce a zero-tolerance approach to breaches of public health guidelines.
                                                                                                                        If the Gardai notify the University of any student who has breached the public health guidelines, the following sanctions will apply to that student:
                                                                                                                        first offence - suspension for the remainder of the academic year
                                                                                                                        second offence - expulsion from the university"

                                                                                                                        You would want to be incredibly stupid to disregard something like this (you would want to be incredibly stupid to disregard the public health guidelines like those kids in Limerick anyway) so if you do so, the consequences are on you and you alone. That's not ''cancel culture', it might be called 'not being a fucking idiot'.

                                                                                                                        Also, there's social mistakes and then there's behaviour that potentially kills other people. Two quite different things. You seem to really want to underplay the seriousness of this.
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                                                                                                                          I do want to take a moment to say its brilliant to have you back Raoul. I tried arguing with hotspur when you were away and it just wasn't the same. He just couldn't commit to the same level of absurdity that you can.
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