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    Originally posted by Emmet View Post
    On a lighter note, I have 4 months+ of planning for my new home-office to get stuck into chairs and desk reviews.

    What are we all sitting on these days? Any good recommendations? Don't want to overspend but have also been crippled by horrific chairs for last year now, so am happy to budget up if required.
    I actually bought an IKEA office chair for 230-odd and it's just as good as the (presumably way more expensive one) I have in my actual office
    "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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      Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

      I don't know what alterative facts you're trying to create (or why) but here is a direct Garda quote:



      Guards were called to the shop where Nkencho had a knife. They followed him from there.
      You are the one making things up, not me. I'm only asking questions.

      You said he entered the shop with a knife. Did he?

      Apology accepted in advance.
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        Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

        You are the one making things up, not me. I'm only asking questions.

        You said he entered the shop with a knife. Did he?

        Apology accepted in advance.
        Is the insinuation that he took the knife from the staff member?
        I don't understand where your questions are going
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          Originally posted by balfejohn View Post

          Eurospar have announced that they don’t sell knives but do sell papers and drinks
          do they slice the bread in their deli with a can of coke? I'm not surprised that enraged George.
          "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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            Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post

            do they slice the bread in their deli with a can of coke? I'm not surprised that enraged George.
            He did NOT want his roll cut in half
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              It is a weird point Wombatman is trying to make but I think he is trying to argue that Nkencho grabbed a knife at the shop, rather than having brought it with him.

              If that is the case and I haven't seen anyone say it is, what possible difference does it make?
              "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                It is a weird point Wombatman is trying to make but I think he is trying to argue that Nkencho grabbed a knife at the shop, rather than having brought it with him.

                If that is the case and I haven't seen anyone say it is, what possible difference does it make?
                You'll find out the day you snap and stab the missus

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                  Originally posted by Emmet View Post
                  On a lighter note, I have 4 months+ of planning for my new home-office to get stuck into chairs and desk reviews.

                  What are we all sitting on these days? Any good recommendations? Don't want to overspend but have also been crippled by horrific chairs for last year now, so am happy to budget up if required.
                  I have a €50 ikea desk and cable tray under it. I'd say less than 10 minutes and I was good to go. At work I have an expensive stand/sit desk with an electric motor that I never asked for. Both desks are equally as sturdy. If I had more space I'd have brought a bigger ikea desk but the one I have is more than adequate for 2x 24" monitors, USB dock and 13" laptop.

                  As far as chairs go, find the most comfortable one possible and pay the man. Whatever about the desk, don't skimp on the chair. My work chair >>>>>> home office chair. It's the next thing that's getting upgraded. I was using my work chair at home for most of last year. I swapped it back when I started to spend more time in the office. Night and day difference compared to the crap one I have from ikea. From a quick search this is the closest design to my work chair: https://www.huntoffice.ie/dorsum-exe...est-black.html.

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                    Originally posted by Dice75 View Post

                    You'll find out the day you snap and stab the missus
                    Far more likely in reverse imo
                    "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                      Originally posted by Emmet View Post
                      On a lighter note, I have 4 months+ of planning for my new home-office to get stuck into chairs and desk reviews.

                      What are we all sitting on these days? Any good recommendations? Don't want to overspend but have also been crippled by horrific chairs for last year now, so am happy to budget up if required.
                      these chairs are the nuts Refurbished Steelcase Leap V1 in Havana (Black) | Corporate Spec

                      Low fee Euro/UK money transfer, 1st transfer free through my referral
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                        Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post

                        Is the insinuation that he took the knife from the staff member?
                        I don't understand where your questions are going
                        Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                        It is a weird point Wombatman is trying to make but I think he is trying to argue that Nkencho grabbed a knife at the shop, rather than having brought it with him.

                        If that is the case and I haven't seen anyone say it is, what possible difference does it make?
                        I can't believe ye are not getting this lads. Shocked actually.

                        I'm NOT suggesting anything. Look back at my posts. I'm just questioning unverified versions of events.
                        Why would anyone insinuate or suggest anything about what happened?

                        We need to work with verified facts only.

                        Did he bring a knife into the shop? We don't know. So why make a suggestion one way or another?

                        Was he robbing the shop?
                        Did the taser hit him?
                        Were warning shots fired?
                        Did he perform a haka before he was shot?

                        Just hang on for the GSOC report. Your theories may be supported by the facts in the final analysis.
                        Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                          What is the relevance of where the knife came from? Only way I could guess it changes anything is if it were handed to him by a Garda before he shot him?

                          Otherwise what difference does it make?

                          He wasn't shot and killed because of an alleged armed robbery. The Gardaí are not judge, jury and executioner.

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                            Are you saying that what is published in reputable newspapers or via RTE are 'unverified versions of events'?

                            Because those are my best sources for what happened in this whole sorry episode. Call me naive.
                            "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                              Originally posted by Emmet View Post
                              What is the relevance of where the knife came from? Only way I could guess it changes anything is if it were handed to him by a Garda before he shot him?

                              Otherwise what difference does it make?

                              He wasn't shot and killed because of an alleged armed robbery. The Gardaí are not judge, jury and executioner.
                              He carried a knife with him VS he got into a scuffle in the shop and grabbed a knife. Massive difference.


                              Find me one report, from a half decent source, that says he was engaged in a robbery.

                              He punched the manager of the Eurospar. Yes, that hat has been verified by AGS. Does not equal he was robbing the shop. Might not have been wearing a mask and fracas resulted for example. Who knows?
                              Last edited by Wombatman; 05-01-21, 16:37.
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                                Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                Are you saying that what is published in reputable newspapers or via RTE are 'unverified versions of events'?

                                Because those are my best sources for what happened in this whole sorry episode. Call me naive.
                                Show me on RTE where it says he carried a knife into the shop.
                                Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                                  Dogs is a good idea, you'd wonder why that wasn't used. Harsh on the animal as the risk is massive, PETA would lose it, letting an innocent dog die by knife wielding criminal instead of shooting for his legs.

                                  A net though... like... you'd wonder sometimes.

                                  Sure why didn't we just throw rocks at him.
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                                    Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

                                    He carried a knife with him VS he got into a scuffle in the shop and grabbed a knife. Massive difference.


                                    Find me one report, from a half decent source, that says he was engaged in a robbery.

                                    He punched the manager of the Eurospar. Yes, that hat has been verified by AGS. Does not equal he was robbing the shop. Might not have been wearing a mask and fracas resulted for example. Who knows?
                                    He wasn't shot for what happened in Eurospar.

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                                      Originally posted by Emmet View Post

                                      He wasn't shot for what happened in Eurospar.
                                      Did I say he was?
                                      Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                                        Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

                                        Did I say he was?
                                        What has it got to do with him being shot? I think I've "just asked questions" (this one specifically) 3 times now to no avail.

                                        You absolutely are trying to lead us somewhere, but it doesn't make sense. Socratic without a goal?

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                                          Originally posted by Emmet View Post

                                          What has it got to do with him being shot? I think I've "just asked questions" (this one specifically) 3 times now to no avail.

                                          You absolutely are trying to lead us somewhere, but it doesn't make sense. Socratic without a goal?
                                          The public order incident lead to the shooting. That's where everything kicked off. How did the public order incident transpire?
                                          Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                                            Wombat you are way off the mark here.

                                            By the time AGS arrived at the scene he had a knife. That much seems clear from most/all reports. The Gardai at the scene don’t have time to establish the provenance of the knife. Nor, for their immediate purposes, do they care where it came from. Their primary goal at this point is to ensure he doesn’t harm anyone by keeping him away from the public, isolating him if they can and then attempt, if possible, to disarm him.

                                            So why he was in the store, whether he brought the knife with him, whether he initiated any conflict before AGS arrived are all irrelevant at that point. It is an entirely immaterial fact to the decision to shoot.
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                                              Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

                                              The public order incident lead to the shooting. That's where everything kicked off. How did the public order incident transpire?
                                              That’s an entirely separate issue. The Garda who ultimately shoots him cannot possibly have known so it doesn’t actually play any part in the decision to shoot. It cannot.
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                                                Originally posted by Kayroo View Post

                                                That’s an entirely separate issue. The Garda who ultimately shoots him cannot possibly have known so it doesn’t actually play any part in the decision to shoot. It cannot.
                                                Would you expect the incident in the shop to be investigated by GSOC and the AGS, and to feature in their respective reports?

                                                Could what transpired in that shop have had bearing on the state of mind and resulting behavior of Nkencho in the final moments?
                                                Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                                                  The Constitution specifically recognises and protects your right to life (Article 40.4). Your right to life also means the right to have nature take its course and to die a natural death. That does not mean that you have the right to have your life terminated or death unnaturally accelerated


                                                  So the executioner should perhaps remember his duty is to protect ALL life . I really doubt it would be an issue in countries where life is cheap I dont think we are there yet (ganglands aside) . I hope not but from reading comments online , we really have regressed . As Clint said . Hell of a thing , killing a man

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                                                    Originally posted by Kayroo View Post

                                                    That’s an entirely separate issue. The Garda who ultimately shoots him cannot possibly have known so it doesn’t actually play any part in the decision to shoot. It cannot.
                                                    What ? No brief ? There's a guy with a knife , shoot him if he swings it at someone .

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                                                      Originally posted by Wombatman View Post
                                                      Could what transpired in that shop have had bearing on the state of mind and resulting behavior of Nkencho in the final moments?
                                                      You might as well ask what kind of childhood he had or what football team he supported.

                                                      They're all equally irrelevant.
                                                      "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                        Where are you going with this Wombat?

                                                        The questions you are asking are irrelevant to the decision of how and when to disarm him.

                                                        Are you saying they shouldn’t be? And if you are? How would you imagine this information is used at any point in the whole saga?

                                                        ”ah the shopkeeper used butter instead of Mayo, get the dogs instead of the guns”
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                                                          Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                          You might as well ask what kind of childhood he had or what football team he supported.

                                                          They're all equally irrelevant.
                                                          You saying there is no point in going on about what happened in the shop, as it is irrelevant?

                                                          Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                          Maybe it's completely normal to carry a lethal weapon with you when you go down to the shops for The Sun and a litre of milk.
                                                          This is getting painful now.
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                                                            Originally posted by Theresa View Post
                                                            Dogs is a good idea, you'd wonder why that wasn't used. Harsh on the animal as the risk is massive, PETA would lose it, letting an innocent dog die by knife wielding criminal instead of shooting for his legs.

                                                            A net though... like... you'd wonder sometimes.

                                                            Sure why didn't we just throw rocks at him.
                                                            Pin him with riot shields was my immediate alternative when I first heard of the incident.
                                                            Tbh, my only question about the descision to shoot was the speed in which the armed response unit was on the scene.
                                                            from attack in the shop to shooting, there seems to have been less than an hour passed. Everything else aside, that seems to be a remarkably quick time to deploy.

                                                            There is some kind of Clancy Wiggums-esque narrative where the cops follow him home attempting to cajole him into dropping a knife from a row of squad cars as he walks home?

                                                            The general public likely has less than 20% of the full story however regarding incident in store and actions/comments by the deceased.
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                                                              What are you actually trying to say Wombat?

                                                              The man’s state of mind when the Garda shot him is irrelevant. Whether or not the shot was lawful and justified depends on the objective situation on the ground as observed by the shooter and whether he (and the ESU generally) took all proper steps short of lethal force before shooting.
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                                                                For all those who have upgraded their home office/work space i'd be interested to know if your employer paid for all/any of it or if you even asked? Best decision i made before the first lockdown was to bring the chair home with me. Absolutely vital bit of kit that you only truly appreciate when you sit in a bad one for 8+ hours a day.

                                                                I've added a few smaller pieces of kit to my set up at my own expense over the last few months but i think work (or some kind of grant) should be covering it perhaps. Especially as i guess many of us will be moving to some kind of hybrid model whenever all this ends and we all need *2 of everything.

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                                                                  Originally posted by Theresa View Post
                                                                  Where are you going with this Wombat?

                                                                  The questions you are asking are irrelevant to the decision of how and when to disarm him.

                                                                  Are you saying they shouldn’t be? And if you are? How would you imagine this information is used at any point in the whole saga?

                                                                  ”ah the shopkeeper used butter instead of Mayo, get the dogs instead of the guns”
                                                                  Go back and read my posts. I was questioning unverified statements.

                                                                  I did make a suggestion days ago, outside of this discussion, that well trained dogs might have been handy the way things went down.



                                                                  How did things get to the point where the shooting was deemed necessary? Is what transpired in the moment of the shooting the only issue of relevance?
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                                                                    Originally posted by Kayroo View Post
                                                                    What are you actually trying to say Wombat?

                                                                    The man’s state of mind when the Garda shot him is irrelevant. Whether or not the shot was lawful and justified depends on the objective situation on the ground as observed by the shooter and whether he (and the ESU generally) took all proper steps short of lethal force before shooting.
                                                                    So provocation is out of the question? I'm only hypostasizing here but would it make any difference, to the final analysis, if one of the guards said "Come at me with that knife, you black bastard, and I'll shoot you in the face". What is something like this was recorded by a body cam? Would the shooting still be justified then?

                                                                    What I'm trying to say is, do we know what actually actually happened. No we don't. We shouldn't pass judgment on the actions of AGS or Nkencho until we do.
                                                                    Last edited by Wombatman; 05-01-21, 18:27.
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                                                                      poor William of Ockham

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                                                                        Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post


                                                                        Tbh, my only question about the descision to shoot was the speed in which the armed response unit was on the scene.
                                                                        from attack in the shop to shooting, there seems to have been less than an hour passed. Everything else aside, that seems to be a remarkably quick time to deploy.

                                                                        Inside the K innit.

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                                                                          At what stage will the results of the GA runoffs be known?
                                                                          I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

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                                                                            I have to admit despite all the snickering here today that my immediate response to the story and the 'they couldn't subdue him so had to shoot him' bit was also 'why the fuck don't they have nets'.

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                                                                              Originally posted by Lazare View Post
                                                                              At what stage will the results of the GA runoffs be known?
                                                                              Betfair are planning to pay out around June.

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                                                                                Originally posted by Lazare View Post

                                                                                Inside the K innit.
                                                                                that's kinda my point.
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                                                                                  Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

                                                                                  So provocation is out of the question? I'm only hypostasizing here but would it make any difference, to the final analysis, if one of the guards said "Come at me with that knife, you black bastard, and I'll shoot you in the face". What is something like this was recorded by a body cam? Would the shooting still be justified then?

                                                                                  What I'm trying to say is, do we know what actually actually happened. No we don't. We shouldn't pass judgment on the actions of AGS or Nkencho until we do.
                                                                                  You’re changing positions now. I said how he came to have the knife and what happened in the shop is irrelevant.

                                                                                  Once AGS intervene then anything they see, say or do is relevant. But you know that. So not sure why you’ve altered position here.

                                                                                  And I agree we should wait for GSOC’s report. Not sure anyone here is suggesting otherwise.
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                                                                                    Originally posted by Keane View Post
                                                                                    I have to admit despite all the snickering here today that my immediate response to the story and the 'they couldn't subdue him so had to shoot him' bit was also 'why the fuck don't they have nets'.
                                                                                    Dogs. They’re supposed to deploy a canine unit if possible. Time doesn’t always allow for that. Here they supposedly tazed him and pepper sprayed him and he still kept going. If that turns out to be true I don’t think you could say they didn’t try non-lethal approaches.
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                                                                                      Originally posted by Kayroo View Post

                                                                                      You’re changing positions now. I said how he came to have the knife and what happened in the shop is irrelevant.

                                                                                      Once AGS intervene then anything they see, say or do is relevant. But you know that. So not sure why you’ve altered position here.

                                                                                      And I agree we should wait for GSOC’s report. Not sure anyone here is suggesting otherwise.
                                                                                      Did AGS not intervene in the irrelevant shop?
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                                                                                        Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post

                                                                                        that's kinda my point.
                                                                                        You have me confused dude. You expressed surprise at how quick they got there. I would guess there's a unit based in that district/division.
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                                                                                            Originally posted by Kayroo View Post

                                                                                            Dogs. They’re supposed to deploy a canine unit if possible. Time doesn’t always allow for that. Here they supposedly tazed him and pepper sprayed him and he still kept going. If that turns out to be true I don’t think you could say they didn’t try non-lethal approaches.
                                                                                            Oh yeah I had heard about the attempted tazing alright and I don't have many doubts that the guards did the best they could in a shit situation. I suppose you can't try everything but there's no attacking someone with a knife while tangled in a weighted net. A quilt would probably do it.

                                                                                            I wonder what their full suite of equipment is. I don't expect it to include quilts.

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                                                                                              Originally posted by Lazare View Post

                                                                                              You have me confused dude. You expressed surprise at how quick they got there. I would guess there's a unit based in that district/division.
                                                                                              what I mean is, was their immediate availability a deciding factor in deployment?
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                                                                                                Originally posted by Keane View Post

                                                                                                Oh yeah I had heard about the attempted tazing alright and I don't have many doubts that the guards did the best they could in a shit situation. I suppose you can't try everything but there's no attacking someone with a knife while tangled in a weighted net. A quilt would probably do it.

                                                                                                I wonder what their full suite of equipment is. I don't expect it to include quilts.
                                                                                                wooden spoons and wet tea towels ftw
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                                                                                                  Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post

                                                                                                  Tbh, my only question about the descision to shoot was the speed in which the armed response unit was on the scene.
                                                                                                  from attack in the shop to shooting, there seems to have been less than an hour passed. Everything else aside, that seems to be a remarkably quick time to deploy.
                                                                                                  Quick, are you serious

                                                                                                  If the ARU is needed then its inside 5 minutes not within an hour. 15 minutes should be possible anywhere in the City .
                                                                                                  Turning millions into thousands

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                                                                                                    Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

                                                                                                    Did AGS not intervene in the irrelevant shop?
                                                                                                    Uniformed, unarmed Gardai arrived. When they arrived he already had the knife. So how he got it is not relevant. Which is the point I have made repeatedly, and the one which you keep trying to change from.

                                                                                                    The ESU did not attend at the shop. They arrived at his house. So the threat assessment for the officer who shot is based on what the ESU knew, heard and saw from the moment they arrived.


                                                                                                    You are arguing a whole bunch of entirely baseless hypotheticals. Why?? What are you trying to achieve?
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                                                                                                      Name change to Combatman .

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                                                                                                        Originally posted by Emmet View Post
                                                                                                        On a lighter note, I have 4 months+ of planning for my new home-office to get stuck into chairs and desk reviews.

                                                                                                        What are we all sitting on these days? Any good recommendations? Don't want to overspend but have also been crippled by horrific chairs for last year now, so am happy to budget up if required.
                                                                                                        Make it 5+ months
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                                                                                                          England -not UK- statistics office believe that 1.1m people were infected with Covid between 27th Dec and 2nd Jan. Pretty insane if correct.

                                                                                                          They plan to have 13m people vaccinated by mid Feb which seems to be an incredibly quick roll out.
                                                                                                          I think we're looking to have 135k by end of Feb.

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                                                                                                            Originally posted by Strewelpeter View Post
                                                                                                            Quick, are you serious

                                                                                                            If the ARU is needed then its inside 5 minutes not within an hour. 15 minutes should be possible anywhere in the City .
                                                                                                            I don't think I'm making my point well at all.
                                                                                                            I'm not even sure if I have it straight in my own head.

                                                                                                            ASU was waiting for him when I got home, according to this.
                                                                                                            https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...50000?mode=amp

                                                                                                            I'm struggling to see how the determinisation was made that they were needed up to that point. There seems to have been zero attempt to stop him getting home.

                                                                                                            I don't doubt that the situation had escalated to the point that lethal force was needed/justified. Just that getting there might have been averted.
                                                                                                            The article also states that two shots ended up inside the family home, that seems, well troublesome.

                                                                                                            The GSOC report on this will need to be watertight.


                                                                                                            edit...I dunno, I'm mentally tying myself in knots about this. I'm gonna stop speculating.
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                                                                                                              Originally posted by Murdrum View Post
                                                                                                              England -not UK- statistics office believe that 1.1m people were infected with Covid between 27th Dec and 2nd Jan. Pretty insane if correct.

                                                                                                              They plan to have 13m people vaccinated by mid Feb which seems to be an incredibly quick roll out.
                                                                                                              I think we're looking to have 135k by end of Feb.
                                                                                                              135k on the faces of it seems like a decent number but when you break it down it's a ridiculously low number..... like 2.5% of the population. Let's hope it will be significantly ramped up in the succeeding months.... well, lets not hope, it simply needs to be.

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                                                                                                                Originally posted by Murdrum View Post
                                                                                                                England -not UK- statistics office believe that 1.1m people were infected with Covid between 27th Dec and 2nd Jan. Pretty insane if correct.

                                                                                                                They plan to have 13m people vaccinated by mid Feb which seems to be an incredibly quick roll out.
                                                                                                                I think we're looking to have 135k by end of Feb.
                                                                                                                David Higgins has a back of napkin 'model' or whatever you might call it about getting to 135k saying basically that supply is likely to be the constraint in that time horizon. You'd have to hope Moderna & Astra Zenica coming on stream might give scope for a big boost to that.


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                                                                                                                Seeing loads of estimates around the difference vaccinating the oldest people and the healthcare workers makes to pressure on the health system which is one of the good things about this - ok it's slow ramping up but even the paltry numbers you're doing early on have a totally disproportionate impact on how fucked everything is. I confidently predict (read - blind optimism) we'll get bigger numbers done quicker than what everyone is talking about.

                                                                                                                Have booked a week's accommodation in Val Thorens in the vanishlingly unlikely hope that I'll be able to go skiing at the end of March. Free cancellation, but fingers/toes crossed for a last hurrah before the impending time-sink of fatherhood.

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                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Keane View Post

                                                                                                                    David Higgins has a back of napkin 'model' or whatever you might call it about getting to 135k saying basically that supply is likely to be the constraint in that time horizon. You'd have to hope Moderna & Astra Zenica coming on stream might give scope for a big boost to that.


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                                                                                                                    Seeing loads of estimates around the difference vaccinating the oldest people and the healthcare workers makes to pressure on the health system which is one of the good things about this - ok it's slow ramping up but even the paltry numbers you're doing early on have a totally disproportionate impact on how fucked everything is. I confidently predict (read - blind optimism) we'll get bigger numbers done quicker than what everyone is talking about.

                                                                                                                    Have booked a week's accommodation in Val Thorens in the vanishlingly unlikely hope that I'll be able to go skiing at the end of March. Free cancellation, but fingers/toes crossed for a last hurrah before the impending time-sink of fatherhood.
                                                                                                                    end of march is wildly optimistic dude
                                                                                                                    Parenthood will soon quash that streak in you
                                                                                                                    People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Kayroo View Post

                                                                                                                      Uniformed, unarmed Gardai arrived. When they arrived he already had the knife. So how he got it is not relevant. Which is the point I have made repeatedly, and the one which you keep trying to change from.

                                                                                                                      The ESU did not attend at the shop. They arrived at his house. So the threat assessment for the officer who shot is based on what the ESU knew, heard and saw from the moment they arrived.


                                                                                                                      You are arguing a whole bunch of entirely baseless hypotheticals. Why?? What are you trying to achieve?
                                                                                                                      As you know the Barr Tribunal was charged with investigating the facts and circumstances surrounding the fatal shooting of John Carty. Have a look at all the factors Barr considered relevant, and then tell me that, how Nkencho came to possess the knife, is not relevant.

                                                                                                                      With all the clamor around the shooting, I expect we will see a similar inquiry in this case. We shall see what factors are considered.

                                                                                                                      If you are happy to boil everything down to "You wave a knife at the cops, you get shot....simples" then so be it.
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                                                                                                                        Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post

                                                                                                                        end of march is wildly optimistic dude
                                                                                                                        Parenthood will soon quash that streak in you
                                                                                                                        Booked it ages ago, free cancellation so nothing to lose. I might see about making another speculative booking for April.

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                                                                                                                          Originally posted by ComradeCollie View Post
                                                                                                                          Now thats what we can call a meaningful christmas

                                                                                                                          FFS
                                                                                                                          Turning millions into thousands

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