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    I would be interested in Denny's thoughts on the Trump/Biden betting line

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      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog

      Interesting stuff, fog.

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        Originally posted by CHDad View Post
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog

        Interesting stuff, fog.
        How so?
        No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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          Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

          The Irish made up a disproportionately large percentage of the British Imperial Army
          Really?
          Relative to population of UK rs Ireland, or something else.


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            Originally posted by Mellor View Post
            Really?
            Relative to population of UK rs Ireland, or something else.

            Relative to population.
            "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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              Originally posted by elbows View Post
              What year was the last time the democrats won the white vote in the Presidential elections.SPOILER1964
              After LBJ passed Civil Rights and Voter Registration Acts. That was the backlash.

              He allegedly turned to ones of his aides after that (allegedly because no-one is sure if this is true) and said "we just lost the south for a generation".

              Speaking of 1964, people think that politics was more civilised back in the day. Look how the Dems painted their opponent. 'Crooked Hilary' seems fairly mild in comparison.

              "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                Just got around to reading our resident bee expert's twitter timeline today after seeing a tweet in the tweet flow. Its all rather great. https://twitter.com/brianmcbees
                Thanks!

                Originally posted by Lazare View Post

                Just copped Brian is in Ardclough. Been running through there a lot lately. Such a gorgeous quiet little place.

                Ran through it last week at about 9.30pm and felt I had the whole place to myself.
                We get out for a walk along the canal with the boys most days. Probably passed each other at some stage!

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                  Originally posted by eagle eye View Post
                  Who was the oldest first time up Democrat to be elected President in the last 100 years. Note: Not including Truman who was technically the incumbent having taken office upon the death of Franklin D. Roosevelt.
                  SPOILERJimmy Carter at 52.
                  SPOILERLBJ was 56 in 1964

                  Unless you want to apply the Truman Exclusion to him too....
                  "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                    There was a young lady name Gill
                    who tried a grenade for a thrill
                    They found her vagina in north Carolina
                    And bits of her tits in Brazil
                    By Hector Jelly ( dont believe everything you read on the internet)

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                      Speaking of LBJ, here is a classic, possibly untrue, lesson in political tactics:

                      Lyndon Johnson used to tell a story about a candidate for County Commissioner in East Texas. He's falling far behind, and so he asks his campaign manager what he should do. "Well," his campaign manager advises, "why don't you say your opponent likes to fuck pigs?" The candidate protests, "But he doesn't, does he?" And the campaign manager answers, "No, but let's see the sonofabitch deny it!"
                      "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                        Best online Florist for delivery? Southside.

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                          posted an update in the FPL thread as the game is live again. This is for those who might not have it on their radar at this point but still check in here.
                          Join the IPB Fantasy Football League 19/20

                          http://www.irishpokerboards.com/foru...88#post1104188

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                            How many of the books are you through Raoul? I've been meaning to start the power broker for ages.

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                              Originally posted by Denny Crane View Post
                              How many of the books are you through Raoul? I've been meaning to start the power broker for ages.
                              I've read them all, twice.
                              "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                I've read them all, twice.
                                I heard you the 1st time

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                                  I don't know about the statue-toppling. It seems like modern-day iconoclasm.

                                  These things are part of our shared history, good and bad. Why not have a sign that contextualises things?
                                  "This is a statue of Mr X. He was a slave trader - back in the 1800s when this was considered acceptable."
                                  Surely people can then make their own minds up - that seems more mature that just simply airbrushing history.

                                  The question that troubles me is where do you stop and who decrees what is acceptable. Some might say that any statues of notables from imperial times should be destroyed. Which would mean a hell of a lot of empty plinths across Europe.
                                  The dichotomy here must be this - we as a mature society can be against imperialism, racism, slavery etc but I don't think we can airbrush away that history, either through destruction of public statuary or indeed by rewriting history. We should seek to understand it and place it in the context of the time.

                                  For example - Lenin was a mass murderer but his tomb is still open to the public. Should he be turfed out of his mausoleum in Red Square and chucked in the Moscow river?
                                  "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                    The beheaded oft vandalised Luke Kelly statue needs to go . It's an abomination

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                                      This seems a little misguided
                                      Last edited by Denny Crane; 09-06-20, 11:40.

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                                        Went on a deep dive into Irish activist twitters response to #carrigaline and the blm protests.

                                        really depressing stuff just extremist race baiting grifters on both sides. The right wing openly racist ones (rightly) aren’t given airtime on our national broadcaster but some of the left wing ones are
                                        NGO sector needs a machete taken to it as part of the covid budget adjustments, 6BN a year there for the taking, just eliminate the duplication first and go from there
                                        “PSV was right all along” -Hitch 20 May 2019

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                                          Amazing the way he can still surprise me

                                          'Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.'

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                                            Originally posted by ComradeCollie View Post
                                            Amazing the way he can still surprise me

                                            you would think DJT would have more sympathy for crazy 75 y/os
                                            "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                              Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                              Speaking of LBJ, here is a classic, possibly untrue, lesson in political tactics:

                                              Lyndon Johnson used to tell a story about a candidate for County Commissioner in East Texas. He's falling far behind, and so he asks his campaign manager what he should do. "Well," his campaign manager advises, "why don't you say your opponent likes to fuck pigs?" The candidate protests, "But he doesn't, does he?" And the campaign manager answers, "No, but let's see the sonofabitch deny it!"
                                              Did he move on to become Trump's campaign manager by any chance?
                                              'Mental Toughness is doing the right thing for the team when it's not the best thing for you' - Bill Belichick

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                                                Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                For example - Lenin was a mass murderer but his tomb is still open to the public. Should he be turfed out of his mausoleum in Red Square and chucked in the Moscow river?
                                                Big difference between 'his tomb is still open to the public' and a statue standing in Bristol Harbour. The latter is very in your face and you see it every time you pass. Whereas you actively have to go into the mausoleum.
                                                As for getting the plaque changed in Bristol, apparently this has been attempted over the last few years but the council has been moving very slowly.

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                                                  So the Central Bank released mortgage lending data for 2019 here:

                                                  https://centralbank.ie/docs/default-...9.pdf?sfvrsn=6

                                                  Section 3.1 has a table providing information for the average applicant (couples included) that is very eye opening indeed. The average FTB in Dublin:

                                                  average income = 89k
                                                  age = 34
                                                  deposit = 79k
                                                  LTI = 3.4
                                                  29 yr mortgage
                                                  LTV = 80%

                                                  Now, leaving aside the fact that the average deposit is nearly equal to yearly gross income (so people are obviously inheriting or being gifted the deposit in most cases), we have a bit of a problem if the average applicant is earning 89k when the average household income in DL / Rathdown is 66k:

                                                  https://www.rte.ie/news/business/201...hical-incomes/

                                                  To many people here baffled at SF polling what they did at the GE (and polling above it through all polls since) there is an explanation in this data. The current property system is not accessible to a large swathe of the electorate. The average household is going to have be extremely disciplined with money over a long period to be able to get a mortgage for the average house. The gestation of a new type of class politics is in these numbers. I don't know if it will be SF that represent those without skin in the game long term, but this data tells me that if housing isn't structurally tackled, the days of 80% of the electorate voting for steady centrism is gone.
                                                  "Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes

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                                                    The civil war inside The New York Times between the (mostly young) wokes the (mostly 40+) liberals is the same one raging inside other publications and companies across the country. The dynamic is always the same. The New Guard has a different worldview, one articulated best by @JonHaidt and @glukianoff. They call it "safetyism," in which the right of people to feel emotionally and psychologically safe trumps what were previously considered core liberal values, like free speech. Perhaps the cleanest example of this dynamic was in 2018, when David Remnick, under tremendous public pressure from his staffers, disinvited Steve Bannon from appearing on stage at the New Yorker Ideas Festival. But there are dozens and dozens of examples. I've been mocked by many people over the past few years for writing about the campus culture wars. They told me it was a sideshow. But this was always why it mattered: The people who graduated from those campuses would rise to power inside key institutions and transform them. I'm in no way surprised by what has now exploded into public view. In a way, it's oddly comforting: I feel less alone and less crazy trying to explain the dynamic to people. What I am shocked by is the speed. I thought it would take a few years, not a few weeks. Here's one way to think about what's at stake: The New York Times motto is "all the news that's fit to print." One group emphasizes the word "all." The other, the word "fit." W/r/t Tom Cotton's oped and the choice to run it: I agree with our critics that it's a dodge to say "we want a totally open marketplace of ideas!" There are limits. Obviously. The question is: does his view fall outside those limits? Maybe the answer is yes. If the answer is yes, it means that the view of more than half of Americans are unacceptable. And perhaps they are.
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                                                      Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View Post
                                                      So the Central Bank released mortgage lending data for 2019 here:

                                                      https://centralbank.ie/docs/default-...9.pdf?sfvrsn=6

                                                      Section 3.1 has a table providing information for the average applicant (couples included) that is very eye opening indeed. The average FTB in Dublin:

                                                      average income = 89k
                                                      age = 34
                                                      deposit = 79k
                                                      LTI = 3.4
                                                      29 yr mortgage
                                                      LTV = 80%

                                                      Now, leaving aside the fact that the average deposit is nearly equal to yearly gross income (so people are obviously inheriting or being gifted the deposit in most cases), we have a bit of a problem if the average applicant is earning 89k when the average household income in DL / Rathdown is 66k:

                                                      https://www.rte.ie/news/business/201...hical-incomes/

                                                      To many people here baffled at SF polling what they did at the GE (and polling above it through all polls since) there is an explanation in this data. The current property system is not accessible to a large swathe of the electorate. The average household is going to have be extremely disciplined with money over a long period to be able to get a mortgage for the average house. The gestation of a new type of class politics is in these numbers. I don't know if it will be SF that represent those without skin in the game long term, but this data tells me that if housing isn't structurally tackled, the days of 80% of the electorate voting for steady centrism is gone.
                                                      It would be interesting to see the mean as well.

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                                                        Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View Post

                                                        Big difference between 'his tomb is still open to the public' and a statue standing in Bristol Harbour. The latter is very in your face and you see it every time you pass. Whereas you actively have to go into the mausoleum.
                                                        As for getting the plaque changed in Bristol, apparently this has been attempted over the last few years but the council has been moving very slowly.
                                                        It's in Red Square, which is an ever so slightly more important location than Bristol Harbour. Everyone knows who is inside.

                                                        He's also up all over Moscow, including 22m high in Kaluga Square.

                                                        images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTQxM9uljG34ryEwxI2YHDCDZeKCxpkGgVDgdyLLMVxlkZrW9w4&usqp=CAU.jpg

                                                        No disrespect to Bristol Harbour.
                                                        "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                          The big thing missing compared to the continent is huge blocks of apartments. Huge blocks and loads of them densely packed on fast transport. Like how Bayside was conceived as workers homes, but with apartments. Dun Laoighaire that you quote is a prime example, passing a regulation that all homes must be passive houses - adding maybe 15-20k to building costs. No wonder people can't afford houses if everything is premium. We don't seem to have ordinary homes anymore. E.g. we lived in Shankill when I was young as they had loads of starter homes. Then eventually moved up the property ladder. But Dublin doesn't seem to do starter homes anymore.
                                                          "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                            Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                            It's in Red Square, which is an ever so slightly more important location than Bristol Harbour. Everyone knows who is inside.

                                                            He's also up all over Moscow, including 22m high in Kaluga Square.

                                                            images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTQxM9uljG34ryEwxI2YHDCDZeKCxpkGgVDgdyLLMVxlkZrW9w4&usqp=CAU.jpg

                                                            No disrespect to Bristol Harbour.
                                                            Not sure where you are going with this idea that Russian worships brutal dictators and therefore slave traders should stand in Bristol. I mean, I guess you have a plan, and I for one am intrigued to find it out.
                                                            "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                              Originally posted by ComradeCollie View Post
                                                              Amazing the way he can still surprise me

                                                              I know I've said this multiple times already, but I think he might have finally gone too far...
                                                              "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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                                                                Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                                                I don't know about the statue-toppling. It seems like modern-day iconoclasm.

                                                                These things are part of our shared history, good and bad. Why not have a sign that contextualises things?
                                                                "This is a statue of Mr X. He was a slave trader - back in the 1800s when this was considered acceptable."
                                                                Surely people can then make their own minds up - that seems more mature that just simply airbrushing history.

                                                                The question that troubles me is where do you stop and who decrees what is acceptable. Some might say that any statues of notables from imperial times should be destroyed. Which would mean a hell of a lot of empty plinths across Europe.
                                                                The dichotomy here must be this - we as a mature society can be against imperialism, racism, slavery etc but I don't think we can airbrush away that history, either through destruction of public statuary or indeed by rewriting history. We should seek to understand it and place it in the context of the time.

                                                                For example - Lenin was a mass murderer but his tomb is still open to the public. Should he be turfed out of his mausoleum in Red Square and chucked in the Moscow river?
                                                                Social media, as in Twitter, facebook etc is the new bain of society. Every idiot has a voice now and they are easily led by other idiots with agendas. The likes of Gemma O'Doherty has 50k+ followers on twitter, the westboro baptist church has 10k followers. You have anti-vaxxers too with big support like Jenny McCarthy and Robert F Kennedy jr.preaching to many people.

                                                                We used to be able to ignore the stupid and lead most of them on a sensible path but everybody has a voice now and stupid, divisive opinion will always have a loud voice unfortunately. .
                                                                'Mental Toughness is doing the right thing for the team when it's not the best thing for you' - Bill Belichick

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                                                                  Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post

                                                                  Not sure where you are going with this idea that Russian worships brutal dictators and therefore slave traders should stand in Bristol. I mean, I guess you have a plan, and I for one am intrigued to find it out.
                                                                  I'm just comparing objectionable figures from history.
                                                                  The question being if you get rid of statuary of one, should you also get rid of the other?

                                                                  And where does it stop, who owns historical memory?

                                                                  "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                    Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View Post
                                                                    I don't know if it will be SF that represent those without skin in the game long term, but this data tells me that if housing isn't structurally tackled, the days of 80% of the electorate voting for steady centrism is gone.
                                                                    Already gone shirley? More like 50% now.
                                                                    "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                      Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View Post

                                                                      I know I've said this multiple times already, but I think he might have finally gone too far...
                                                                      Every tweet I see reminds me of the great line from Spinal Tap

                                                                      Marty: The last time Tap toured America, they where, uh, booked into 10,000 seat arenas, and 15,000 seat venues, and it seems that now, on their current tour they're being booked into 1,200 seat arenas, 1,500 seat arenas, and uh I was just wondering, does this mean uh...the popularity of the group is waning?

                                                                      Ian: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no...no, no, not at all. I, I, I just think that the.. uh.. their appeal is becoming more selective.
                                                                      All he's managed to do over the past six months (or maybe more) is make himself a greater and greater god to a smaller and smaller pool. He's toast.

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                                                                        Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View Post
                                                                        So the Central Bank released mortgage lending data for 2019 here:

                                                                        https://centralbank.ie/docs/default-...9.pdf?sfvrsn=6

                                                                        Section 3.1 has a table providing information for the average applicant (couples included) that is very eye opening indeed. The average FTB in Dublin:

                                                                        average income = 89k
                                                                        age = 34
                                                                        deposit = 79k
                                                                        LTI = 3.4
                                                                        29 yr mortgage
                                                                        LTV = 80%

                                                                        Now, leaving aside the fact that the average deposit is nearly equal to yearly gross income (so people are obviously inheriting or being gifted the deposit in most cases), we have a bit of a problem if the average applicant is earning 89k when the average household income in DL / Rathdown is 66k:

                                                                        https://www.rte.ie/news/business/201...hical-incomes/

                                                                        To many people here baffled at SF polling what they did at the GE (and polling above it through all polls since) there is an explanation in this data. The current property system is not accessible to a large swathe of the electorate. The average household is going to have be extremely disciplined with money over a long period to be able to get a mortgage for the average house. The gestation of a new type of class politics is in these numbers. I don't know if it will be SF that represent those without skin in the game long term, but this data tells me that if housing isn't structurally tackled, the days of 80% of the electorate voting for steady centrism is gone.
                                                                        It's just not in the realms of possibility for a lot of people, wages combined with the rent they have to pay. The only reason I want to buy is the quality to value ratio of renting being abysmal and when I do so it'll be alone and with a 6 figure deposit just for a 2 bed apartment or house. I hear grumbling from people about this issue constantly.

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                                                                          That's a good point on quality-to-value.

                                                                          "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                                            Originally posted by Keane View Post

                                                                            Every tweet I see reminds me of the great line from Spinal Tap



                                                                            All he's managed to do over the past six months (or maybe more) is make himself a greater and greater god to a smaller and smaller pool. He's toast.
                                                                            Oh, you can be guaranteed he will go down, if he goes down (still only 5/4 to win), in the most ugly fashion possible.

                                                                            The real question would be the transition (which I think would be smooth, I actually think American institutions are pretty robust) and then where the fuck does the GOP go post-Trump. You could easily see Trump setting up some rival organisation and media.
                                                                            "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                              Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                              Already gone shirley? More like 50% now.
                                                                              Well yeah, 73% in 2011 between FFG and Labour down to 47% in February. My point is that this data is a key explanation of why.
                                                                              "Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes

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                                                                                Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View Post

                                                                                Well yeah, 73% in 2011 between FFG and Labour down to 47% in February. My point is that this data is a key explanation of why.
                                                                                Or we're becoming more European in our voting patterns?

                                                                                remember most people couldn't give a fuck about housing! I wouldn't rush to say that is a 'key explanation'.
                                                                                "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                  Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                                  My youngest enjoyed swimming in the sea so much last weekend that she's insistent we go again today.


                                                                                  ay ay ay
                                                                                  Where are you swimming on the Northside?

                                                                                  I had my first sea swim of the year yesterday as the nearest spot is outside the 5km zone. Seapoint was fairly mobbed (plus tide was out) and I really dislike the 40' was went with my preferred option of Vico. Wasn't too busy and the water was fresh but quite bearable. Am looking forward to getting back into it regularly.

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                                                                                    Originally posted by Silver-Tiger View Post
                                                                                    Best online Florist for delivery? Southside.
                                                                                    I've used the guys in Powerscourt Shopping Centre (The Garden) quite a bit over the years and always found them very good, although not sure if they are open yet with the restrictions.

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                                                                                      Originally posted by Lao Lao View Post

                                                                                      Where are you swimming on the Northside?
                                                                                      Bull Island.

                                                                                      The only thing is it's such a shallow incline that you might have to walk 300m out to get up to your waist! but obviously that is ideal for kids
                                                                                      "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                        Originally posted by Jam-Fly View Post
                                                                                        Shouting loud, using logical fallacies, discouraging rigorous debate, confidence tricks, and manipulation seems the way to go today) and democracy doesn't look like such a great option.
                                                                                        Untrammelled democracy hasn't looked like such a great option since the 1930s. Hence the postwar European project to put in place supranational institutions to try to limit the power of national democracy.

                                                                                        Ironically it was people working for the progressives Bill Clinton and Tony Blair who really kickstarted what we see today in politics. The big differences being instead of real life focus group data we have social media company big data, messages can be targeted to the different audiences with precision, and the bad guys use it best.

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                                                                                          Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                                          Or we're becoming more European in our voting patterns?

                                                                                          remember most people couldn't give a fuck about housing! I wouldn't rush to say that is a 'key explanation'.
                                                                                          I kind of doubt this tbh

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                                                                                            Utility companies are a strange bunch. I got an e-mail from my bin company to announce of increases in both the monthly service charge and the lift fee per bin so I ring them to let them know I'm not happy about the increase and will have to look around at options. I'm told the A/c's team will get back to me to see if they can do anything.

                                                                                            Sure enough, about an hour later I get a call, where they guy offers me an all in super duper monthly fee which is more than I'm currently paying them based on current usage. So he offers me a reduced all in super duper monthly fee and is somewhat disheartened when I tell him that it's still more than I'm currently paying.

                                                                                            So he counters with, how about we leave you paying what you're currently paying plus I'll put 30 quid credit on your account.

                                                                                            Excellent, thanks for that!

                                                                                            They obviously get a huge number of people just accepting the increases to make it worth their while to give the few a discount when they look to leave.


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                                                                                              Originally posted by Keane View Post

                                                                                              I kind of doubt this tbh
                                                                                              most people have a house, and most of those have no mortgage
                                                                                              "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                                Originally posted by Lao Lao View Post
                                                                                                Utility companies are a strange bunch. I got an e-mail from my bin company to announce of increases in both the monthly service charge and the lift fee per bin so I ring them to let them know I'm not happy about the increase and will have to look around at options. I'm told the A/c's team will get back to me to see if they can do anything.

                                                                                                Sure enough, about an hour later I get a call, where they guy offers me an all in super duper monthly fee which is more than I'm currently paying them based on current usage. So he offers me a reduced all in super duper monthly fee and is somewhat disheartened when I tell him that it's still more than I'm currently paying.

                                                                                                So he counters with, how about we leave you paying what you're currently paying plus I'll put 30 quid credit on your account.

                                                                                                Excellent, thanks for that!

                                                                                                They obviously get a huge number of people just accepting the increases to make it worth their while to give the few a discount when they look to leave.

                                                                                                We had the exact same with the electricity. Switched providers to keep the fee the same after 12 months. Old provider countered by extending our current arrangement for 12 months and throwing in a google mini. Two phone calls, same low fee and a google mini. Most people just get rode by their own inertia.
                                                                                                ‘IF YOU had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” Genghis Khan

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                                                                                                  Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                                                  most people have a house, and most of those have no mortgage
                                                                                                  So far as I recall, it was the most important factor in voting for over a quarter of the electorate at the last election. I think it's a fairly safe assumption that some fraction higher than 1/3 of the remaining 75%-ish have at least some moderate interest in housing. Mortgage-free people sometimes know people who may be struggling to buy a house - in many cases they may even be related to them by blood

                                                                                                  I sometimes question how in touch you are with the plain people of Ireland tbh.

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                                                                                                    Is there anyone on IPB who could put their hand up and say they are utterly disinterested in housing policy in the state?

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                                                                                                      Originally posted by Keane View Post
                                                                                                      I sometimes question how in touch you are with the plain people of Ireland tbh.
                                                                                                      How dare you sir; my good friends Cuthbert, Sir Percival and Winston are the epitome of the plain people of Ireland.

                                                                                                      We in the Horse Head Elite pride ourselves on our understanding of the Common Man. Sometimes we might even speak to one, to order a drink for example or to request extra pillows.
                                                                                                      "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                                                        I don’t really know what the fuck Glyn is talking about here tbh. It’s true to say that FG hoped it wouldn’t be a key part of February’s election but it clearly was.

                                                                                                        I also think that we’re experiencing a first generation of Irish people of which most won’t end up owning a house. And that will have real political consequences. But whatever - I felt the data was quite interesting and something of interest to most as Keane notes.
                                                                                                        "Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard Keynes

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                                                                                                          Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                                                          How dare you sir; my good friends Cuthbert, Sir Percival and Winston are the epitome of the plain people of Ireland.

                                                                                                          We in the Horse Head Elite pride ourselves on our understanding of the Common Man. Sometimes we might even speak to one, to order a drink for example or to request extra pillows.
                                                                                                          Reading A Gentleman in Moscow atm. I could see immediately why it appealed to you so much. Moustaches at full sail and whatnot.

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                                                                                                            Originally posted by Tar.Aldarion View Post

                                                                                                            It's just not in the realms of possibility for a lot of people, wages combined with the rent they have to pay. The only reason I want to buy is the quality to value ratio of renting being abysmal and when I do so it'll be alone and with a 6 figure deposit just for a 2 bed apartment or house. I hear grumbling from people about this issue constantly.
                                                                                                            I was reading up where approx. 60% of buyers over the last three years have been cash buyers. I was shocked that it was so high.
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                                                                                                              Originally posted by Keane View Post
                                                                                                              Is there anyone on IPB who could put their hand up and say they are utterly disinterested in housing policy in the state?
                                                                                                              I have an interest but it's about getting into the housing market again as a landlord. I'd love to see house prices drop for a short while and nab something that I can gain back the spend on in fifteen to twenty years. That would leave me having a nice nest egg for the kids, that's the only reason for it. I'm happy to live as I do which is quite frugally outside of vacations.
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                                                                                                                Originally posted by eagle eye View Post
                                                                                                                I was reading up where approx. 60% of buyers over the last three years have been cash buyers. I was shocked that it was so high.
                                                                                                                Mitt Romney and his cohorts have been taking large parts of the Irish and UK property market in recent times.

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                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Keane View Post
                                                                                                                  Is there anyone on IPB who could put their hand up and say they are utterly disinterested in housing policy in the state?
                                                                                                                  But its surely then about which party is best placed to fix the problem. FG have been excellently innovative on house planning permission. You can see by how much it pisses off nimbys. Plus the 20k income tax refund towards a deposit. Still, they're awful, but not sure they're as awful as other parties.

                                                                                                                  FF were awful. And I simply don't believe SF. Every scheme they propose is from countries where there is vastly higher tax rates / property taxes on the ordinary folk they want to give houses to. We've seen from NI they can't take tough decisions on the economy that involve take and give. In the Republic the dumbasses are even against a property tax that is main funding of local housing in European countries with better housing.

                                                                                                                  The issue then is: is SF just picking a popular issue with no logical approach to solving the issue?
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                                                                                                                    You see that from LLs post earlier. He pointed out the problem and then said that's why SF are so popular, and despite him following them he couldn't say what their solution is. Because clearly they haven't come up with a magical solution.

                                                                                                                    In reality theres 40% of people who pay no taxes and SF is campaigning on them magically becoming home owners. You simply can't not pay tax and then find a state solution to being a home owner.

                                                                                                                    There's messing around the margins on the top rate of tax, but 51% marginal after €35k is already atrociously high for what you get. So maybe you increase the tax of those earning over €100k. There's just not enough people earning that income to fund anything substantial and loads of that particular workforce is internationally mobile.

                                                                                                                    The solution is that everyone pays tax, like the rest of Europe, and gets things like subsidised housing in return when they need it. But a populist party will never be able to propose that. Populism requires identifying another group who will pay for everything. Not sure there is that 'other group' in Ireland.
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                                                                                                                      Originally posted by eagle eye View Post
                                                                                                                      I was reading up where approx. 60% of buyers over the last three years have been cash buyers. I was shocked that it was so high.
                                                                                                                      Most of the buyers of the last 3 years have been the Chinese government buying for cash
                                                                                                                      Most apartments sold in town have been done thru the Chinese embassy for the government over there

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                                                                                                                        Originally posted by balfejohn View Post

                                                                                                                        Most of the buyers of the last 3 years have been the Chinese government buying for cash
                                                                                                                        Most apartments sold in town have been done thru the Chinese embassy for the government over there
                                                                                                                        Why would the Chinese government want houses in the middle of nowhere?
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                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                                                                          You see that from LLs post earlier. He pointed out the problem and then said that's why SF are so popular, and despite him following them he couldn't say what their solution is. Because clearly they haven't come up with a magical solution.

                                                                                                                          In reality theres 40% of people who pay no taxes and SF is campaigning on them magically becoming home owners. You simply can't not pay tax and then find a state solution to being a home owner.

                                                                                                                          There's messing around the margins on the top rate of tax, but 51% marginal after €35k is already atrociously high for what you get. So maybe you increase the tax of those earning over €100k. There's just not enough people earning that income to fund anything substantial and loads of that particular workforce is internationally mobile.

                                                                                                                          The solution is that everyone pays tax, like the rest of Europe, and gets things like subsidised housing in return when they need it. But a populist party will never be able to propose that. Populism requires identifying another group who will pay for everything. Not sure there is that 'other group' in Ireland.
                                                                                                                          "Following them"?! I don't see it like a game of football like some on here.

                                                                                                                          Eoin O'Broin's book covers their proposed solutions. I think the problem we have now ultimately stems from the government withdrawing from its role as primary builder in the state. It worked up until 2007 of course, but since then it's been a disaster. We have a broken process and a dysfunctional market with the wrong incentives everywhere. SF or whoever need to build large volumes of social and affordable housing. That's what any solution will be built around, to pardon the pun.

                                                                                                                          In any case, the context of the February election is now utterly changed. It remains to be seen how the nature of the problem will shift over the next few months.
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