Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Wordle Gummidge

[RichieM]

Yeah this. Women's athletics is superb sport.

The biological males issue was the whole reason for starting the convo. Some of the opinions expressed above about women's sport in general are a little neanderthal if I'm honest.

Great to see dads who are actively involved in their daughters sports at underage level.

Don’t think that happened much in my day based on vague memories of tons of coaches while my sisters had the same 2 female hockey coaches all the way through school who had multiple age groups.

[6starpool]

I see Sickpuppy is now appearing as Guest on his posts. Like Zuuts and a few others recently. Is that a closed account thing, or just a bug in the system.
Either way, be back soon dude, it was always interesting.

Something weird like with zuut I believe. Must be a murderer about. Not sure if there is anything we can do other than a new account, but we'll take a look.

[dobby]

I see Sickpuppy is now appearing as Guest on his posts. Like Zuuts and a few others recently. Is that a closed account thing, or just a bug in the system.
Either way, be back soon dude, it was always interesting.

He says yer all a pack of cunts and he cant be arsed with us

[Hectorjelly]

Pretty telling that any time anyone takes the time to explain to an anti-vax nut why they are incorrect they throw their toys out of the pram.

[dobby]

Pretty telling that any time anyone takes the time to explain to an anti-vax nut why they are incorrect they throw their toys out of the pram.

My comment above was a joke, just in case that wasn't clear.

Tbf, dont think he is an anti vax nut, he was vaccinated. But dont wanna talk for him when hes not here anymore.

[Lazare]

Do hope Mick hasn't left.

[Goodluck2me]

My comment above was a joke, just in case that wasn't clear.

Tbf, dont think he is an anti vax nut, he was vaccinated. But dont wanna talk for him when hes not here anymore.

Has he left?

[Goodluck2me]

Pretty telling that any time anyone takes the time to explain to an anti-vax nut why they are incorrect they throw their toys out of the pram.

Ah it’s happened plenty Vaxxers too on other topics, we all choose our hills.

[ComradeCollie]

Do hope Mick hasn't left.

I hope he's gotten back in his time machine and gone back to the 1950s, when his opinions might have been somewhat more acceptable.

[Raoul Duke III]

The UK data on Omicron today is very encouraging. Serious light at the end of the tunnel imo.

[Raoul Duke III]

I hope he's gotten back in his time machine and gone back to the 1950s, when his opinions might have been somewhat more acceptable.

Excellent idea but shouldn't you be burning in hell?

Alternatively you could convert to Protestantism (no hell bonus) and spend the rest of your life being described as a 'confirmed bachelor'. Wink wink.

On the plus side, you can drink and smoke all around you and no-one will bat an eyelid. And the women know their place. I'm sold.

[dobby]

The UK data on Omicron today is very encouraging. Serious light at the end of the tunnel imo.

Massively encouraging. Shouldn't be any need for current restrictions to be in place beyond their current end date.

[ComradeCollie]

The UK data on Omicron today is very encouraging. Serious light at the end of the tunnel imo.

It has gotten a bit weird, when you feel like you have to go for a test because you've had mild cold symptoms. I'm actually quite optimistic from any numbers I've seen, while equally annoyed about trying to be careful.

[Raoul Duke III]

Massively encouraging. Shouldn't be any need for current restrictions to be in place beyond their current end date.

Hmm, as a somewhat data-driven person, I'd like to see loads of people get Omicron (which is what's happening right now) and then observe the impact on ICU and deaths. Too soon to make these decisions but highly positive imo. I also understand why the health specialists have to remain publicly cautious.

[Strewelpeter]

FFS! No 2 prospective son in law just turned up with a positive antigen. Grrr. No 2 Son cancelled trip from Denmark after they locked down today requiring a pcr for reentry and they can't afford to get stuck here.
No 1 Son plus wife and kids need to leave for Italy on 28th I suppose I have to assume they and everyone in the house is infected. They have a wedding already on its third rescheduled date on the 8th that will be cancelled again if they can't get there.

Question I'm trying to figure out is when they are likely to be able to show a clear to fly antigen if they are not even showing positive yet?

[ComradeCollie]

Excellent idea but shouldn't you be burning in hell?

Ah, I don't want to be taken back to the 1950s with him! If I was going to be punished by some deity, it would be for being so horrible to so many women over the years.

[Raoul Duke III]

FFS! No 2 prospective son in law just turned up with a positive antigen. Grrr. No 2 Son cancelled trip from Denmark after they locked down today requiring a pcr for reentry and they can't afford to get stuck here.
No 1 Son plus wife and kids need to leave for Italy on 28th I suppose I have to assume they and everyone in the house is infected. They have a wedding already on its third rescheduled date on the 8th that will be cancelled again if they can't get there.

Question I'm trying to figure out is when they are likely to be able to show a clear to fly antigen if they are not even showing positive yet?

My Belgian buddy started showing clear 5 days after his PCR positive (which he took same day as his antigen positive). Said he felt fine after 36 hours.

[AndyFatBastard]

Massively encouraging. Shouldn't be any need for current restrictions to be in place beyond their current end date.

OPEN THE DAMN PUBS!!!11

[Raoul Duke III]

The smoked pancetta is off the charts on pizza sp btw. Tell Marco he's a genius.

[dobby]

Hmm, as a somewhat data-driven person, I'd like to see loads of people get Omicron (which is what's happening right now) and then observe the impact on ICU and deaths. Too soon to make these decisions but highly positive imo. I also understand why the health specialists have to remain publicly cautious.

As you mention it, I'd love to see the health specialists make a serious attempt at increasing ICU capacity and creating a better health service 2 years into a pandemic instead of lockdown wheel of fortune every few months.

[Lazare]

Just serving up dinner now Dom. Chilli con carne with nachos and guac.

[Degag]

Yeah this. Women's athletics is superb sport.

The biological males issue was the whole reason for starting the convo. Some of the opinions expressed above about women's sport in general are a little neanderthal if I'm honest.

I think you should engage with those that you consider having "neanderthal" opinions in that case; rather than just stating so.

No idea if i am one of those but i would appreciate being engaged on it and maybe, having my opinion changed, rather than a cutaway remark.

[Degag]

As you mention it, I'd love to see the health specialists make a serious attempt at increasing ICU capacity and creating a better health service 2 years into a pandemic instead of lockdown wheel of fortune every few months.

The problem as i understand it with ICU beds is not with actually providing the beds - it's with the whole infrastructure around it.

In short - from what i've heard, these beds can't be staffed. And, they can't, generally, be staffed worldwide. So not an Ireland only problem by any matter of means.

Does that make things better? No. Should we have thought of increasing capacity sooner? Perhaps, i don't really know how we compared on ICU beds to other countries. But, it's not so easy (and i'm not suggesting you thing it is) to create beds.

[dobby]

The problem as i understand it with ICU beds is not with actually providing the beds - it's with the whole infrastructure around it.

In short - from what i've heard, these beds can't be staffed. And, they can't, generally, be staffed worldwide. So not an Ireland only problem by any matter of means.

Does that make things better? No. Should we have thought of increasing capacity sooner? Perhaps, i don't really know how we compared on ICU beds to other countries. But, it's not so easy (and i'm not suggesting you thing it is) to create beds.

Understand all that and completely understand its not a case of just flicking a switch to magic up some beds. But it's been 2 years and we dont seem to have tried a single thing to try and at least alleviate the problem.

[Lazare]

I think you should engage with those that you consider having "neanderthal" opinions in that case; rather than just stating so.

No idea if i am one of those but i would appreciate being engaged on it and maybe, having my opinion changed, rather than a cutaway remark.

Hey man, not just you. I will do. Haven't time at the mo, I'll try come back to it tomorrow.

[ComradeCollie]

As you mention it, I'd love to see the health specialists make a serious attempt at increasing ICU capacity and creating a better health service 2 years into a pandemic instead of lockdown wheel of fortune every few months.

That's really up to politicians and not the people who work in the health service. From when I last looked at the numbers Germany was the only country that had a much higher amount of ICU beds (pro rata) than anywhere else in Europe. Just don't see that people here being happy with that cost, when it might only be needed every score years or so.

[hotspur]

My mother was meeting her siblings in her sister's house, who is unwell on chemo. They decided that each taking an antigen test beforehand would be appropriate. My uncle asked what an antigen test was, and what why would you do it? And this is from the non-yahoos side of my family.

[dobby]

That's really up to politicians and not the people who work in the health service. From when I last looked at the numbers Germany was the only country that had a much higher amount of ICU beds (pro rata) than anywhere else in Europe. Just don't see that people here being happy with that cost, when it might only be needed every score years or so.

Yes, up to politicians. And I'm sure the CMO and Paul Reid would have a say in it. We dont have the capacity to deal with the waves of infection we are experiencing. We saw how last winter went and they did nothing at all to put a plan in place for this year. I dont have the answers obviously and I accept you saying we have the 2nd highest capacity in Europe but surely lockdown after lockdown isnt the answer? Will there be a time, like if we find ourselves in a similar spot next year, where they try to actually fix the health service instead of endless restrictions?

[Hectorjelly]

"Fixing" the health service is an incredibly difficult problem that no other country in the world has managed, so it's a bit much to expect Irish politicians to fix it in a year. It's like asking them to fix the weather.

[AndyFatBastard]

Literally nobody's saying the entire health service could be fixed in 2 years. They point is we were told we needed much stricter lockdowns than most of our neighbours due to our shitty hospital capacity, which doesn't seem to have gotten any less shitty now 2 years into the pandemic.

[dobby]

"Fixing" the health service is an incredibly difficult problem that no other country in the world has managed, so it's a bit much to expect Irish politicians to fix it in a year. It's like asking them to fix the weather.

That's fair and I dont want it "fixed". Maybe improved is a better word. Surely it's worth trying to improve the HSE and ICU capacity instead of lockdown and restrictions for the foreseeable?

[DeadParrot]

Literally nobody's saying the entire health service could be fixed in 2 years. They point is we were told we needed much stricter lockdowns than most of our neighbours due to our shitty hospital capacity, which doesn't seem to have gotten any less shitty now 2 years into the pandemic.

From what I've read it's 4-6 year career path to be ICU trained. If they opened 20 icu beds tomorrow, they just don't have the staff for it.

[Hectorjelly]

That's fair and I dont want it "fixed". Maybe improved is a better word. Surely it's worth trying to improve the HSE and ICU capacity instead of lockdown and restrictions for the foreseeable?

If you end up in ICU you are going to have a very bad time - you can't use it as overflow capacity!

Ultimately the problem with healthcare is one of cost - the Government already added 2billion to the healthcare portion of the budget this year. Every government all around the world is constantly trying to improve their health service - every year more and more money as a percentage of total government spending goes on healthcare. It's also an extremely difficult service to improve, for obvious reasons its hard to experiment (!) and people tend to go mad when things change.

10% of global GDP is now spent on healthcare, and the growth is outpacing GDP. Populations are getting older, people are living longer.

There are things that governments can do to tackle this (eg New Zealand banning tobacco) but it's on a totally different time scale than the one lock downs are on.

[ComradeCollie]

So the only pcr tests available on the HSE site are in Swords. Fecked if I'm heading out there.

[RichieM]

As you mention it, I'd love to see the health specialists make a serious attempt at increasing ICU capacity and creating a better health service 2 years into a pandemic instead of lockdown wheel of fortune every few months.

Over 50% of icu beds are filled with unvaxed people with Covid. We have enough beds for 95+% of the population.

[Lazare]

So the only pcr tests available on the HSE site are in Swords. Fecked if I'm heading out there.

I'm booked in to Sandyford with the eldest, my wife is Blanch with the other two.

Tests are tomorrow.

[Raoul Duke III]

Understand all that and completely understand its not a case of just flicking a switch to magic up some beds. But it's been 2 years and we dont seem to have tried a single thing to try and at least alleviate the problem.

ICU capacity is up by 50%+.

204 beds pre-pandemic to 300 now, with additional surge capacity to 350+.

Next!

[dobby]

ICU capacity is up by 50%+.

204 beds pre-pandemic to 300 now, with additional surge capacity to 350+.

Next!

I didn't know that so ignoring your needless patronising "Next!", ty for posting.

[dobby]

If you end up in ICU you are going to have a very bad time - you can't use it as overflow capacity!

Ultimately the problem with healthcare is one of cost - the Government already added 2billion to the healthcare portion of the budget this year. Every government all around the world is constantly trying to improve their health service - every year more and more money as a percentage of total government spending goes on healthcare. It's also an extremely difficult service to improve, for obvious reasons its hard to experiment (!) and people tend to go mad when things change.

10% of global GDP is now spent on healthcare, and the growth is outpacing GDP. Populations are getting older, people are living longer.

There are things that governments can do to tackle this (eg New Zealand banning tobacco) but it's on a totally different time scale than the one lock downs are on.

A proper answer. Ty. The population bit is interesting. Geography module this semester was on population Geography and it was interesting to see the different ways that different regions and countries are dealing with a population that live longer.

[dobby]

ICU capacity is up by 50%+.

204 beds pre-pandemic to 300 now, with additional surge capacity to 350+.

Next!

Also, if this is true and correct, current restrictions seem like over kill if we actually have a surge capacity to deal with current rate of infection needing ICU treatment. I thought the whole idea of extra restrictions was because we didnt have the capacity.

[Lazare]

Also, if this is true and correct, current restrictions seem like over kill if we actually have a surge capacity to deal with current rate of infection needing ICU treatment. I thought the whole idea of extra restrictions was because we didnt have the capacity.

Is it because during Winter there is a non Covid surge to deal with?

[oleras]

Yes, up to politicians. And I'm sure the CMO and Paul Reid would have a say in it. We dont have the capacity to deal with the waves of infection we are experiencing. We saw how last winter went and they did nothing at all to put a plan in place for this year. I dont have the answers obviously and I accept you saying we have the 2nd highest capacity in Europe but surely lockdown after lockdown isnt the answer? Will there be a time, like if we find ourselves in a similar spot next year, where they try to actually fix the health service instead of endless restrictions?

Remember last March when all this started...what they did was empty the hospitals of so called bedblockers, people, mainly old, with nowhere else to go and they told GPs to stop referring people to emergency depts, ED's were actually quiet for several months awaiting the waves of causalities.

Overcrowded hospitals are not a new thing, patients on trolleys is not a new thing, undercapicity is not a new thing...from the ground up the system needs to change, it just doesnt work efficiently...way too many people in the industry stealing a living. Hitch will be along shortly to justify the layers and layers of management and non medical staff, but just look at how efficiently private hospitals work.

GP's need to grow balls and stop auto sending people to hospital just to be sure, do your jobs maybe and put a bit of care in, you are the primary care giver, very few of them give a shit or have any passion left for the work, from my limited sample size at least.

Pay the medical staff a better wage and recruitment wont be an issue.

remember when they put the call out for volunteers, tens of thousands replied....it was barely in the hundreds that actually were taken on. Like most things run by this and previous and future governments...a bunch of chancres, armatures....sure Martin cant even pronounce Omicron...

[dobby]

Is it because during Winter there is a non Covid surge to deal with?

I dont know. Is it? As of half 5 yesterday. There was 100 patients in ICU, it's never been clear to me if that means 100 patients with covid or just 100 patients in total. Either way, it amounts to less that 1/3 of the ICU capacity and with Omicron looking less deadly, we should be fine to reopen in Jan without the need to extend restrictions

[elbows]

I dont know. Is it? As of half 5 yesterday. There was 100 patients in ICU, it's never been clear to me if that means 100 patients with covid or just 100 patients in total. Either way, it amounts to less that 1/3 of the ICU capacity and with Omicron looking less deadly, we should be fine to reopen in Jan without the need to extend restrictions

ICU capacity is useless unless you can staff it and they can’t at the moment. Specialised ICU nurses needed as it’s not as straight forward as throwing standard nurses into the role. However why weren’t a load of nurses trained and also give them more money. My Sister in law who has 2 kids with COVID works part time as a nurse and she was told to come in tomorrow as she isn’t positive herself. That will tell you how understaffed they are.

[Lazare]

I think you should engage with those that you consider having "neanderthal" opinions in that case; rather than just stating so.

No idea if i am one of those but i would appreciate being engaged on it and maybe, having my opinion changed, rather than a cutaway remark.

As I said last night I hadn't got you in particular, or anyone in mind when I made that comment.

(I'll use 'you' in the collective sense)

Raoul's post upthread hit the nail. Women's sport, or women involved in men's sport on TV, or more to the point the growing prevalence of it is not about you, is not seeking your approval. It's about creating role models for girls, about encouraging girls into sport, is targeted primarily at girls.

It's also about nudging change in the traditional stereotypical societal roles for the sexes.

The comments above are a little disappointing tbh, because they display a threatened fragility. You feel this is your space that's being encroached on. It has a sniff of misogyny about it.

I guess my views on this are formed by having daughters and wanting no obstacles in front of them like lads telling them to get out of their lane.

[dobby]

Omicron seems class. Open her up lads

[oleras]

Ah, new Matrix movie available !

[dobby]

As I said last night I hadn't got you in particular, or anyone in mind when I made that comment.

(I'll use 'you' in the collective sense)

Raoul's post upthread hit the nail. Women's sport, or women involved in men's sport on TV, or more to the point the growing prevalence of it is not about you, is not seeking your approval. It's about creating role models for girls, about encouraging girls into sport, is targeted primarily at girls.

It's also about nudging change in the traditional stereotypical societal roles for the sexes.

The comments above are a little disappointing tbh, because they display a threatened fragility. You feel this is your space that's being encroached on. It has a sniff of misogyny about it.

I guess my views on this are formed by having daughters and wanting no obstacles in front of them like lads telling them to get out of their lane.

I think you're taking most of the comments up wrong if you're conclusion is threatened fragility and misogyny.

I probably didnt explain it too well but I dont watch womens sport for the same reason I dont watch a world of other sports whether they're played by males or females. It's great to see women doing well, Harrington at the Olympics, blackmore as a jockey, Irish women soccer team seem to do well as does the hockey team, there was a savage buzz around the club here when Meath won the all Ireland. I've just got absolutley zero interest in watching any of it as I dont find it a worthwhile spectacle.

I understand your interest in it with your daughters but it's far from threatened fragility. Its just I dont have any interest in it.

[Solksjaer!]

As I said last night I hadn't got you in particular, or anyone in mind when I made that comment.

(I'll use 'you' in the collective sense)

Raoul's post upthread hit the nail. Women's sport, or women involved in men's sport on TV, or more to the point the growing prevalence of it is not about you, is not seeking your approval. It's about creating role models for girls, about encouraging girls into sport, is targeted primarily at girls.

It's also about nudging change in the traditional stereotypical societal roles for the sexes.

The comments above are a little disappointing tbh, because they display a threatened fragility. You feel this is your space that's being encroached on. It has a sniff of misogyny about it.

I guess my views on this are formed by having daughters and wanting no obstacles in front of them like lads telling them to get out of their lane.

We talking TV right ?

I somewhat disagree with this. Everyone watches TV with their own entertainment in mind . So quite simply if we are not being entertained we will switch off . Therefore we can talk about our feelings on the matter . To be accused of misogyny is dramatic . The fact remains is we shouldn't pretend to like something for the greater good of inclusion . TV companies make their money on what sells . So if we switch off , it will be removed . I'm not sure anyone on here has any misogynistic leanings. I wonder if Raoul would watch women's cricket ?
I for one will turn of most womens sport. It doesnt entertain me. . For the tennis I will only watch from semi finals on . I definitely wont be turning on womens GAA . although I might watch it live to support someone. I thinks it's very unfair to try to morally bully someone into agreeing with a certain point of view

More power to womens Sport . Maybe a channel just for womens sport or even better just for mens Sport . Viva la difference etc. However the bottom line is you cant be criticising someone's on TV tastes just for the greater good . Football focus for example as mentioned is now shite . Switched off . I would like to see it return to its 'more entertaining to me' format . My opinion on this has zero to do with misogyny.
How are their viewing figures I wonder ?

[Lazare]

I think you're taking most of the comments up wrong if you're conclusion is threatened fragility and misogyny.

I probably didnt explain it too well but I dont watch womens sport for the same reason I dont watch a world of other sports whether they're played by males or females. It's great to see women doing well, Harrington at the Olympics, blackmore as a jockey, Irish women soccer team seem to do well as does the hockey team, there was a savage buzz around the club here when Meath won the all Ireland. I've just got absolutley zero interest in watching any of it as I dont find it a worthwhile spectacle.

I understand your interest in it with your daughters but it's far from threatened fragility. Its just I dont have any interest in it.

Looking at this bit you said yesterday...

I compare it to basketball, baseball, golf for me. 3 sports I've got absolutley no interest in and will never watch, I've just got no interest in womens sport and the constant ramming of it down our throats is tiresome.

If you compare it to golf etc why do you not deem golf coverage tiresome and being rammed down your neck? Or comment about golf in such a way when Theresa et al are having a golf discussion?

I'm definitely not trying to have a pop, I feel this is an innate subconscious thing most guys have, that was only changed in me by having daughters.

Maybe just explore the above golf question in your mind

[Lazare]

We talking TV right ?

I somewhat disagree with this. Everyone watches TV with their own entertainment in mind . So quite simply if we are not being entertained we will switch off . Therefore we can talk about our feelings on the matter . To be accused of misogyny is dramatic . The fact remains is we shouldn't pretend to like something for the greater good of inclusion . TV companies make their money on what sells . So if we switch off , it will be removed . I'm not sure anyone on here has any misogynistic leanings. I wonder if Raoul would watch women's cricket ?
I for one will turn of most womens sport. It doesnt entertain me. . For the tennis I will only watch from semi finals on . I definitely wont be turning on womens GAA . although I might watch it live to support someone. I thinks it's very unfair to try to morally bully someone into agreeing with a certain point of view

More power to womens Sport . Maybe a channel just for womens sport or even better just for mens Sport . Viva la difference etc. However the bottom line is you cant be criticising someone's on TV tastes just for the greater good . Football focus for example as mentioned is now shite . Switched off . I would like to see it return to its 'more entertaining to me' format . My opinion on this has zero to do with misogyny.
How are their viewing figures I wonder ?

Totally fine that you're not interested in it Willie, have zero interest myself other than athletics. I'm not critiquing anyone for not enjoying it.

What do you think it points to when lads get excersised about it in a way they don't when men's sports they're not entertained by are discussed?

[Dice75]

I watch golf but if they started putting half an hour of talking shite about it into Football Focus id be equally as annoyed

[Lazare]

I watch golf but if they started putting half an hour of talking shite about it into Football Focus id be equally as annoyed

Would you tune out if they did a half hour segment on division 3? Honestly.

[Dice75]

Would you tune out if they did a half hour segment on division 3? Honestly.

No, i much prefer segments on lower league football tbh. The FA Cup early rounds when they host it from smaller (mostly non league) clubs are prob the most enjoyable of the year for me.

[Solksjaer!]

Totally fine that you're not interested in it Willie, have zero interest myself other than athletics. I'm not critiquing anyone for not enjoying it.

What do you think it points to when lads get excersised about it in a way they don't when men's sports they're not entertained by are discussed?

Raoul has castigated golf.big time and those who play it. Quite often. I've not seen women sport in itself being overly castigated other than how specific types are getting more TV airtime than their mediocrity merits . If anything its sexist to show such a low level of ability just for inclusion reasons .
I stopped going to Richmond Park due to hoofball levels a few years ago it's better now so I'm tempted back.
I was called a fair weather fan. I'm fine with that . Time is precious , why suffer watching non entertaining sport .

[dobby]

Looking at this bit you said yesterday...




If you compare it to golf etc why do you not deem golf coverage tiresome and being rammed down your neck? Or comment about golf in such a way when Theresa et al are having a golf discussion?

I'm definitely not trying to have a pop, I feel this is an innate subconscious thing most guys have, that was only changed in me by having daughters.

Maybe just explore the above golf question in your mind

I dont ever comment on golf I think. I wouldn't have bothered commenting on womens sport either only you said you wanted a discussion and peoples opinions but now you've read some stuff you dont like. Literally the only reason I commented is cos you said it was discussion worthy, i dont actually care either way

And dont worry. I know you're not having a pop. I like that this place gets tetchy sometimes you wanna be middle class cunt

[Lazare]

No, i much prefer segments on lower league football tbh. The FA Cup early rounds when they host it from smaller (mostly non league) clubs are prob the most enjoyable of the year for me.

But women's Premier league football is a higher standard.

[dobby]

Aside from me ranting about womens sport and covid nonsense.

GAB, RD3, or anyone else. Who wins the King George?? I probably have 4 bets a year and that race is one so would be nice to have the winner. Needless to say I didnt have Minella Indo for the GC or CDO for the KG last year

[Solksjaer!]

No, i much prefer segments on lower league football tbh. The FA Cup early rounds when they host it from smaller (mostly non league) clubs are prob the most enjoyable of the year for me.

I think its lost its magic. The gulf is class has grown too big now . Shame .

[Lazare]

I dont ever comment on golf I think. I wouldn't have bothered commenting on womens sport either only you said you wanted a discussion and peoples opinions but now you've read some stuff you dont like. Literally the only reason I commented is cos you said it was discussion worthy, i dont actually care either way

And dont worry. I know you're not having a pop. I like that this place gets tetchy sometimes you wanna be middle class cunt

Haha WWMCC

Well I posted looking for discussion on the trans issue in women's sport.

Be like me asking for advice on what oil to put into my Volkswagen van and getting replies saying Volkswagens are shite.