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    Originally posted by coillcam View Post

    I either had a head cold (most likely as herself had similar the week before) or mild reaction to the first vaccine dose. I rang the health insurance advice line and they said go to the GP as they need to log stats on reactions and also likely get a Covid test. Ended up in the out of hours doc with an older Saffa chap seeing me. I was a bit taken a back when he started telling me to google Ivermectin and he actually wrote it down on a piece of paper gave it to me after. He couldn't understand why it was being given to Irish patients as it was "proven to have worked" on some group of African people who were being treated for parasites. According to him the side effect of the parasite treatment was a super fast recovery from Covid.....

    At that point I hadn't heard a lot about the drug but when I googled as I was instructed, I didn't find any reference to what he was talking about. Only that it had been effective in killing Covid in-vitro with 20x times the safe human dosage. Also that it was a particularly harsh drug that should very carefully administered to humans. Plus all of the alarming psuedo-science claims about it. That was probably only my 2nd questionable interaction with a health professional. The only other-time was a vaccine sceptic nurse but that conversation was not in a clinical setting. Fwiw I was all clear after the test and back at work in a few days.
    That's insane - you should report him to the Medical Council before somebody actually takes him up on this 'advice'.
    "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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      NFL really delivered last night
      His rival it seems, had broken his dreams,By stealing the girl of his fancy.Her name was Magill, and she called herself Lil,But everyone knew her as Nancy.

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        Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

        It's the precedence that would be set I'd be concerned about. Like in software development, when fixes are applied, bugs and exploits are often unwittingly introduced too.

        Being vaccinated has a massive impact on your ability to fight the virus. Like maybe only 17% of those in ICU these days are fully vaccinated. Employers are mainly concerned about the spread of the virus right. I'm not sure if being vaccinated has a massive impact on transmission on a micro scale.
        Hard cases make bad law. And this sort of case is about as hard as it comes. You can get a sort of mission creep with legislation like this. It opens the door to other, more severe, restrictions in future. The Overton Window can shift permanently once we accept something like this and I am not sure if that's worth the pay off. As I've said before, this is an incredibly complicated question.
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          Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

          That's insane - you should report him to the Medical Council before somebody actually takes him up on this 'advice'.
          That was my first thought but it's very much a non-runner. "Yes I told Mr Coillcam about this promising case with a limited study which was very much early days at that point but at no point did I ever suggest xyz....". There is a huge requirement in terms of pushing something like this forward, which I believe is to protect the patient as much as a doctor. I have an old friend who had a sizeable tumour missed on a scan that was clearly visible but only discovered almost a year later on a separate scan. Thankfully they recovered fully. The just of the advice was to them was that everyone has a bad day at the office and nothing would come from it. Something would need to be objectively massively negligent to proceed rather than a speculative conversation.

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            Originally posted by coillcam View Post

            That was my first thought but it's very much a non-runner. "Yes I told Mr Coillcam about this promising case with a limited study which was very much early days at that point but at no point did I ever suggest xyz....". There is a huge requirement in terms of pushing something like this forward, which I believe is to protect the patient as much as a doctor. I have an old friend who had a sizeable tumour missed on a scan that was clearly visible but only discovered almost a year later on a separate scan. Thankfully they recovered fully. The just of the advice was to them was that everyone has a bad day at the office and nothing would come from it. Something would need to be objectively massively negligent to proceed rather than a speculative conversation.

            It's not a speculative conversation. At least not how you reported it. It's a doctor's advice to a patient.

            He basically told you to take Invermectin and even wrote it down to assist you. That's pretty clearcut.

            he started telling me to google Ivermectin and he actually wrote it down on a piece of paper gave it to me after. He couldn't understand why it was being given to Irish patients as it was "proven to have worked" on some group of African people who were being treated for parasites. According to him the side effect of the parasite treatment was a super fast recovery from Covid
            This guy is dangerous.
            "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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              A consultant doctor friend of mine yesterday insisted that Ireland is the most litigious country in the world. Other than the insurance scamming "accident" brigade I found that hard to believe. Well, I insisted that we simply couldn't be as litigious as America, at least 94% of the population are lawyers. Are there any metrics that would suggest the relative litigiousness of Ireland?

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                Originally posted by Pat Mustard View Post
                Q for BBV, random drug test in the place you work, what's the % rate that will come back positive? I know if you work in a smaller company the numbers will be skewed. Self employed or sole traders we already know its 100% so no need to post
                I would have thought drug tests are illegal, but it just hasn't been properly tested in the courts. It can't be against an employment contract for someone to do drugs in their own private time, so the only thing that can affect your job is whether you are currently under the influence of drugs while working. But drug tests afaik only test whether there are traces of drugs in your system, not whether they are affecting you. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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                  Originally posted by hotspur View Post
                  A consultant doctor friend of mine yesterday insisted that Ireland is the most litigious country in the world. Other than the insurance scamming "accident" brigade I found that hard to believe. Well, I insisted that we simply couldn't be as litigious as America, at least 94% of the population are lawyers. Are there any metrics that would suggest the relative litigiousness of Ireland?
                  Insurance costs
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                    Originally posted by hotspur View Post
                    A consultant doctor friend of mine yesterday insisted that Ireland is the most litigious country in the world. Other than the insurance scamming "accident" brigade I found that hard to believe. Well, I insisted that we simply couldn't be as litigious as America, at least 94% of the population are lawyers. Are there any metrics that would suggest the relative litigiousness of Ireland?
                    I don't have stats, but we make doctors legally liable for the most bizarre stuff, so there are probably loads of extra cases as a result.

                    Like all those €10m payouts for kids born with defects - that's not based on widely-accepted science, its an odd 'Irish science' based on an assumption that if the birth process isn't procedurally perfect, and realistically no birth process can as its a messy process, then any illness born by the kid is 'caused' by the birth process. Its proper 'edge science' they rely on, and judges accept, to prove liability. Hence why the cases always take ten years with the HSE as the HSE just can't accept the general principle on medical grounds.

                    The cervical cancer thing and making hospitals legally liable for probabilistic errors that are a feature of the cervical cancer test are another example that has been widely discussed.
                    "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                      Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post

                      I don't have stats, but we make doctors legally liable for the most bizarre stuff, so there are probably loads of extra cases as a result.

                      Like all those €10m payouts for kids born with defects - that's not based on widely-accepted science, its an odd 'Irish science' based on an assumption that if the birth process isn't procedurally perfect, and realistically no birth process can as its a messy process, then any illness born by the kid is 'caused' by the birth process. Its proper 'edge science' they rely on, and judges accept, to prove liability. Hence why the cases always take ten years with the HSE as the HSE just can't accept the general principle on medical grounds.

                      The cervical cancer thing and making hospitals legally liable for probabilistic errors that are a feature of the cervical cancer test are another example that has been widely discussed.
                      Every word of this is bullshit.

                      EDIT: Actually the cervical check thing I sort of agree with.
                      You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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                        Originally posted by hotspur View Post
                        A consultant doctor friend of mine yesterday insisted that Ireland is the most litigious country in the world. Other than the insurance scamming "accident" brigade I found that hard to believe. Well, I insisted that we simply couldn't be as litigious as America, at least 94% of the population are lawyers. Are there any metrics that would suggest the relative litigiousness of Ireland?
                        No, we are not number 1. It's hard to get precise stats. Some Harvard studies exclude smaller jurisdictions so perfect comparisons across the board aren't really available but generally Germany, Canada and Australia are the top countries for litigation per capita.
                        You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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                          Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post


                          It's not a speculative conversation. At least not how you reported it. It's a doctor's advice to a patient.

                          He basically told you to take Invermectin and even wrote it down to assist you. That's pretty clearcut.



                          This guy is dangerous.
                          Ivermectin will probably be shown to be a mildly effective treatment. I've a big problem with our establishments suppressing that info because they're worried it will cause people to not get vaccinated. There's absolutely no reason why we can't have prevention as well as treatment. We're always going to have vaccine hesitancy for various reasons.This is a good doctor being weighed down by institutional corruption, trying to do his job to the best of his ability.
                          "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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                            Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View Post

                            Ivermectin will probably be shown to be a mildly effective treatment. I've a big problem with our establishments suppressing that info because they're worried it will cause people to not get vaccinated. There's absolutely no reason why we can't have prevention as well as treatment. We're always going to have vaccine hesitancy for various reasons.This is a good doctor being weighed down by institutional corruption, trying to do his job to the best of his ability.
                            There in lies the problem. Where did you get this information?

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                              Originally posted by Kayroo View Post

                              No, we are not number 1. It's hard to get precise stats. Some Harvard studies exclude smaller jurisdictions so perfect comparisons across the board aren't really available but generally Germany, Canada and Australia are the top countries for litigation per capita.
                              Not have a pop at you but I would imagine the availability and cost of legal services is a large barrier to entry in Ireland and would lower our stats.
                              Most people who are wronged in a minor way here, and consider legal action, often balk for fear of being left with a massive bill if unsuccessful.

                              Fair play to this girl for sticking to her guns. Most wouldn't bother considering the hassle, complexity and cost of the legal stuff.

                              https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-40860477.html
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                                Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

                                Not have a pop at you but I would imagine the availability and cost of legal services is a large barrier to entry in Ireland and lower our stats.
                                Most people who are wronged in a minor way here, and consider legal action, often balk for fear of being left with a massive bill if unsuccessful.

                                Fair play to this girl for sticking to her guns. Most wouldn't bother considering the hassle, complexity and cost of the legal stuff.

                                https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-40860477.html
                                I don't take it as a pop. Legal costs here can be too high. Not in all circumstances by any means but certainly in a great many. I actually suspect Covid will help to bring them down somewhat, with the new efficiencies being put in place by the courts service. It'll make work for the services side much more cost efficient.
                                You are technically correct...the best kind of correct
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                                  Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post

                                  think you need to fix that link?
                                  Shit, you're right and the system isn't letting me save the edits!

                                  Here are the two correct links I hope

                                  https://ie.indeed.com/jobs?q=ggpoker&l=North%20Dublin%2C%20County%20Dubl in&advn=6847671775805959&vjk=5d24e6d73fdaf356
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                                    Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                    It's not a speculative conversation. At least not how you reported it. It's a doctor's advice to a patient.

                                    He basically told you to take Invermectin and even wrote it down to assist you. That's pretty clearcut.
                                    You're free to interpret it that way (my missus agrees with you btw) but I don't. He never advised me to take anything. I perceive it to be a case of: "read about this drug that I'm going to write down... it's interesting reading." There's not enough evidence here for anything to ever happen.

                                    My PoV is that he was basing his opinion at that time around cases that were reported through his compatriots back home. There's plenty of info out there about SA being one of the original leaders in using Ivermectin. A poor country with limited treatment options and the vast majority of people with limited access to healthcare. If you look at the countries that were originally reporting the use of the drug, they're all developing countries where healthcare is massively expensive for the average Joe. From what I can see it's desperation in looking at anything affordable that could treat patients. I think the advice on using Ivermectin in SA has since been rolled back.

                                    Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
                                    This guy is dangerous.
                                    I can't say for certain but I'm my initial inclination was to agree with you. I think it was a very stupid conversation for him to have had with a patient and I can only believe he meant it in good faith based on the positive reports from his compatriots. I just think it doesn't go any further than a stupid conversation to have but there's not enough there for anything further to happen.

                                    I'm going to stop talking about Ivermectin as I'll end up appearing alongside Joe bRogan acolytes if someone googles it. If the manufacturer of the drug says it's not suitable for covid treatment you can be fairly fucking sure they're worried about its use, that tells its own story.​

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                                      Originally posted by Wombatman View Post

                                      Not have a pop at you but I would imagine the availability and cost of legal services is a large barrier to entry in Ireland and lower our stats.
                                      Most people who are wronged in a minor way here, and consider legal action, often balk for fear of being left with a massive bill if unsuccessful.

                                      Fair play to this girl for sticking to her guns. Most wouldn't bother considering the hassle, complexity and cost of the legal stuff.

                                      https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-40860477.html
                                      Costa has a depressing culture and anyone above the on-site manager will never get involved. So there's nowhere to go with a complaint or procedure to handle grievances. My sister worked for a few months in a branch and the bullying of her plus colleagues was horrible. Staff were routinely cut hours or culled from the roster to force them to quit but most left before it got to that.

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                                        Originally posted by coillcam View Post
                                        ​I can't say for certain but I'm my initial inclination was to agree with you. I think it was a very stupid conversation for him to have had with a patient and I can only believe he meant it in good faith based on the positive reports from his compatriots. I just think it doesn't go any further than a stupid conversation to have but there's not enough there for anything further to happen.​
                                        I think you're being generous but your call.

                                        For me, it'd be the equivalent of going in to see Kayroo about a boundary wall dispute and walking out with advice to sue Bill Gates.
                                        "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                          Originally posted by Solksjaer! View Post

                                          There in lies the problem. Where did you get this information?
                                          There's more than enough studies out there. The problem is they're all from small, independent, 3rd world groups so many of them are unreliable, some even fraudulent. But there's still enough info to suggest it is an effective treatment. The UK are testing it as part of their Principle trial at the moment. When we get those results we'll know with very high certainty. Thing is they started testing it 3 months ago and still haven't published anything... Something fishy is going on here and it's extremely worrying.
                                          "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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                                            Originally posted by Kayroo View Post

                                            Every word of this is bullshit.

                                            EDIT: Actually the cervical check thing I sort of agree with.
                                            Its quite possible. Thats why I'm trying out the idea here rather than on twitter. But I did some search of the scientific literature before on the relationship between, say, birth problems and cerebral palsy - as in this case, for example. It seemed a very fringe scientific literature and far from mainstream that there is a definite link between birth problems and cerebral palsy. In most cases, it simply isn't known what the cause of cerebral palsy is. Yet, the assumption - and the massively expensive assumption of the public - is that it must have happened during birth.
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                                              Turns out the dentist up the road here in Newcastle has been done for dealing drugs . Know him for ages . Never knew the fucker was a dentist.

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                                                Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View Post
                                                Something fishy is going on here and it's extremely worrying.
                                                Go on...what's fishy and why are you worried?
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                                                  Originally posted by Pat Mustard View Post
                                                  Mikey Fogarty, Cheltenham winning jockey came on as a sub for St Annes in Wexford hurling final. Thought it was a shame he retired a few years ago. Thought he could have become one of the best in Ireland.
                                                  He hasn't been nearly as busy or as prolific as he was in the lead up to his retirement in 2017 but Mikey was back riding since late '19 he's had about a dozen winners from over a hundred rides and afaik is riding out at Closutton. His last ride was at Fairyhouse in April so perhaps he has bowed out again he's definitely one of the more talented lads riding?
                                                  Turning millions into thousands

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                                                    Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post

                                                    Its quite possible. Thats why I'm trying out the idea here rather than on twitter. But I did some search of the scientific literature before on the relationship between, say, birth problems and cerebral palsy - as in this case, for example. It seemed a very fringe scientific literature and far from mainstream that there is a definite link between birth problems and cerebral palsy. In most cases, it simply isn't known what the cause of cerebral palsy is. Yet, the assumption - and the massively expensive assumption of the public - is that it must have happened during birth.
                                                    Well, I have sat through cases where we had expert evidence for weeks on the connection between hypoxic-ischemia and cerebral palsy. The evidence, from experts in Harvard, the UK and Japan, was thoroughly tested and examined. Catastrophic birth cases are awful. The evidence is traumatic and the science is thoroughly tested but rarely challenged anymore in terms of the connection between an ischemic injury and cerebral palsy as the scientific consensus, so far as I understand it, agrees that a hypoxic-ischemia is a cause of cerebral palsy. The negligence, and the issue normally determined in Irish courts, is whether or not the hospital acted within the bounds of what is called "generally approved practice".

                                                    I have seen cases where the hospital claimed that the delay between birth and intubation was 6 minutes (not great but not seriously unsafe) whereas the evidence clearly established it was closer to 25 minutes. Without a child breathing.

                                                    In terms of the sums awarded, they have been criticised by our own judiciary but not for being too large really. The issue was that the law only provided for a once-off lump sum payment. That payment had to be calculated to assess the total financial needs of a young child with cerebral palsy for their entire lifetime. It was an attempt, as one judge famously called it, at judicial crystal ball gazing. It was impossible, even with the best actuarial evidence, to work out the costs. And it created perversions. If the court awarded €10,000,000.00. (for example) and the child died 6 months later then the parents/next of kin took the benefit. If the court awarded too little, then when the child reached a certain age the money would run out and they would be without proper financial provision.

                                                    The courts called for, and finally were given, the power to make staged payments. So they award less up front and then periodically review it as the child grows. This is a smaller up front hit for the insurance company (or the State) which allows for better long term provisioning. It also means there is less waste and less chance of the money running out.

                                                    If you want to read an excellent text on this topic you could try Doireann O'Mahony's book "Medical Negligence and Child Birth". It's very accessible and really covers the whole area brilliantly.
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                                                      My main task for the first day back in work was to order a door sign with my name, as seemingly the school was too busy over the last 13 months to do this. Then, when it arrived saying 'Dr Hitch', I sent it back asking for it to be reissued as 'Prof Hitch'.

                                                      I feel that will go down in the annals as one of my more productive days.

                                                      "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                        Thanks kayroo that looks really interesting. I guess we have the same fundamental point, as both your post and mine said birth trauma is a cause of cerebral palsy. I feel that in the way you've written that you've tried to gloss over the a. The issue which I was noting is that there are quite a few possible causes of cerebral palsy and there's no way of specifically connecting birth to cerebral palsy as far as I could read, absent some specific pre-testing which rarely exists. Although I didn't read deep, but I do understand medical articles.

                                                        I think regarding expert testimony that it's also well enough established that there is always a medical expert willing to say anything. No medical case was floundered for want for available medical experts for hire.
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                                                          Originally posted by ionapaul View Post

                                                          Shit, you're right and the system isn't letting me save the edits!

                                                          Here are the two correct links I hope

                                                          https://ie.indeed.com/jobs?q=ggpoker&l=North%20Dublin%2C%20County%20Dubl in&advn=6847671775805959&vjk=5d24e6d73fdaf356
                                                          nope still wonky.
                                                          Indeed's site is a pain at times.
                                                          I've linked them above
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                                                            Originally posted by Gimmeabreak View Post
                                                            Those who enjoyed don’t fck with cats series might enjoy a quick search online for gabby petito. A don’t fck with cats as it’s unfolding presently. IG account houseinhabit story has lots. Mad stuff.
                                                            Went down a bit of a rabbit hole on this today.
                                                            Absolutely mental story altogether. Her body was found today and the guy has gone missing.
                                                            His parent's behaviour is only the latest weird thing.
                                                            They reported him missing friday after not seeing him since Tuesday.
                                                            He apparantely went for a hike, they went looking for him, drove his car back home and waited a few days before telling anyone
                                                            People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
                                                            Get a shiny metal Revolut card! And a free tenner!
                                                            https://revolut.com/referral/jamesb8!G10D21

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                                                              Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post

                                                              I don't have stats, but we make doctors legally liable for the most bizarre stuff, so there are probably loads of extra cases as a result.

                                                              Like all those €10m payouts for kids born with defects - that's not based on widely-accepted science, its an odd 'Irish science' based on an assumption that if the birth process isn't procedurally perfect, and realistically no birth process can as its a messy process, then any illness born by the kid is 'caused' by the birth process. Its proper 'edge science' they rely on, and judges accept, to prove liability. Hence why the cases always take ten years with the HSE as the HSE just can't accept the general principle on medical grounds.

                                                              The cervical cancer thing and making hospitals legally liable for probabilistic errors that are a feature of the cervical cancer test are another example that has been widely discussed.
                                                              The doctors and the hospital never accept responsibility afaik - just seems like an Irish solution to help parents pay for the long term care rather than having a good system in place that’s fully free to access. That’s my take on it in any case.

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                                                                Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                My main task for the first day back in work was to order a door sign with my name, as seemingly the school was too busy over the last 13 months to do this. Then, when it arrived saying 'Dr Hitch', I sent it back asking for it to be reissued as 'Prof Hitch'.

                                                                I feel that will go down in the annals as one of my more productive days.
                                                                I've never had a door in my entire career.
                                                                "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                  Originally posted by RichieM View Post

                                                                  The doctors and the hospital never accept responsibility afaik - just seems like an Irish solution to help parents pay for the long term care rather than having a good system in place that’s fully free to access. That’s my take on it in any case.
                                                                  Well there is one cartel of vested interests who benefit greatly from this 'system' that I can think of.
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                                                                    Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post

                                                                    Went down a bit of a rabbit hole on this today.
                                                                    Absolutely mental story altogether. Her body was found today and the guy has gone missing.
                                                                    His parent's behaviour is only the latest weird thing.
                                                                    They reported him missing friday after not seeing him since Tuesday.
                                                                    He apparantely went for a hike, they went looking for him, drove his car back home and waited a few days before telling anyone
                                                                    Never heard anything about this. Is there a link with cliff's etc ?

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                                                                      Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                      My main task for the first day back in work was to order a door sign with my name, as seemingly the school was too busy over the last 13 months to do this. Then, when it arrived saying 'Dr Hitch', I sent it back asking for it to be reissued as 'Prof Hitch'.

                                                                      I feel that will go down in the annals as one of my more productive days.
                                                                      Ha I once had an office with my initials on it WC .

                                                                      FML

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                                                                        Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                        I've never had a door in my entire career.
                                                                        I was just thinking today, on the first real day there in six years that it's the flaw of the place - that everyone's hidden behind doors. It would be much better for people talking to each other if the place was more open.
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                                                                          Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post

                                                                          I was just thinking today, on the first real day there in six years that it's the flaw of the place - that everyone's hidden behind doors. It would be much better for people talking to each other if the place was more open.
                                                                          I was given an office once and moved out of it after a day.
                                                                          "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                                            Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                            I've never had a door in my entire career.
                                                                            I've had one for a weirdly long amount of time despite being relatively junior within the company, popping into it for the last time tomorrow, might steal the name plate

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                                                                              Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                              I was given an office once and moved out of it after a day.
                                                                              I don't have an office atm unless I share a small office with windows and doors open while masked up. I can't even hot desk as other departments have higher priority to be on-site. I don't mind WFH where possible tbh.

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                                                                                Originally posted by Solksjaer! View Post

                                                                                Never heard anything about this. Is there a link with cliff's etc ?
                                                                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disapp...f_Gabby_Petito

                                                                                Couple doing a cross country trip and doing IG vblog type thing.
                                                                                27th Aug Couple have fight and police called (police have since released bodycam footage)

                                                                                girl seems a bit of a headcase and fella is advised to stay in hotel for the night without her
                                                                                --scene missing--
                                                                                tik tok blogger type says she picked fella up hitch hiking on 29th sept
                                                                                https://www.her.ie/news/tiktoker-cla...chhiker-534579

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                                                                                1 September - Mr Laundrie returns to North Port in Ms Petito’s van without her, according to police reports.

                                                                                10 September - Ms Schmidt says she texted Mr Laudrie and his mother, Roberta Laundrie, making inquiries about her daughter but received no reply.

                                                                                11 September - Missing person’s investigation opened after Ms Schmidt reports Ms Petito’s disappearance to Suffolk County Police in New York. Search begins near Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming, her last known intended destination.

                                                                                13 September - Laundrie family refuses to allow North Port police to speak to their son and issues statement via their lawyer, Steve Bertolino, saying they will be “remaining in the background”. Ms Petito’s parents Nicole Schmidt and Joe Petito host press conference, appealing for information.

                                                                                14 September - Police declare Brian Laundrie “person of interest”. James Schmidt, Ms Petito’s stepfather, flies out to join search in Wyoming. Mr Petito appears on Fox News to berate the Laundries for declining to co-operate with detectives.

                                                                                15 September - Police release body camera footage of Moab City encounter with officer. Gabby Petito’s stepfather, James Schmidt, flies to Wyoming to search for Ms Petito and hang missing person fliers.

                                                                                16 September - Petito family issues statement through their lawyer begging the Laundrie family to help them with the search for Ms Petito.

                                                                                17 September - Mr Laundrie’s family call investigators to their home and admit that Brian has been missing since Tuesday.

                                                                                18 September - FBI and Florida police launch a major manhunt to find Brian Laundrie, focusing their search on Florida’s Carlton Reserve

                                                                                19 September - Footage is released by a couple on YouTube that appears to confirm the van that Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie were travelling in was in the Grand Teton National Park on August 27.


                                                                                as of an hour ago, FBI are issue search warrant and enter his parents house
                                                                                and it's live
                                                                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmMLQSWrUfE

                                                                                oh yeah
                                                                                reddit internet sleuths are on the case too
                                                                                https://www.reddit.com/r/GabbyPetito/

                                                                                fucking headcases in that subreddit
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                                                                                  Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View Post

                                                                                  There's more than enough studies out there. The problem is they're all from small, independent, 3rd world groups so many of them are unreliable, some even fraudulent. But there's still enough info to suggest it is an effective treatment. The UK are testing it as part of their Principle trial at the moment. When we get those results we'll know with very high certainty. Thing is they started testing it 3 months ago and still haven't published anything... Something fishy is going on here and it's extremely worrying.
                                                                                  What's the info saying that (only one I saw was fraud), all the science sources I've seen say something along the lines of:

                                                                                  There are hundreds of papers looking at ivermectin vs. COVID-19. In general, the larger and more carefully conducted the studies are, the weaker the effect that's seen with ivermectin. That's a pattern that's seen with things that don't actually work well.

                                                                                  A couple of the more recent, large, randomized controlled studies are not optimistic, but don't completely rule out possible weak effects:

                                                                                  In this randomized clinical trial that included 476 patients, the duration of symptoms was not significantly different for patients who received a 5-day course of ivermectin compared with placebo (median time to resolution of symptoms, 10 vs 12 days; hazard ratio for resolution of symptoms, 1.07).

                                                                                  The findings do not support the use of ivermectin for treatment of mild COVID-19, although larger trials may be needed to understand effects on other clinically relevant outcomes.

                                                                                  --Effect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19

                                                                                  It's obvious that the possible role for ivermectin hasn't been automatically dismissed -- all the major players included trials for it, there are hundreds of papers, and there are dozens of registered clinical trials investigating it.

                                                                                  And yet there are no large, randomized controlled trials that clearly show a clinical effect of ivermectin on COVID-19 mortality, sickness, time to recovery, etc. Sometimes there are marginal effects on surrogate factors (lower virus titers; effects on cultured cells). But the thing about useful, effective treatments is that you don't have to look at surrogate measures. If some studies find a weak effect and others find no effect -- If you have hundreds of people in your randomized trial and you need more to decide if there's any effect at all -- then any effect must be weak or non-existent.

                                                                                  We're at that point with ivermectin. It's been given a long, hard, careful look, and the conclusion is that there may be something there but it's really marginal.

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                                                                                    Originally posted by coillcam View Post
                                                                                    My sister worked for a few months in a branch and the bullying of her plus colleagues was horrible.
                                                                                    I initially read that as they were bullying the plus-sized colleagues.

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                                                                                      The ghosts of a few thousand dead missing black girls cheering on the renewed public interest in finding missing dead girls and then they see a pic of gabby (rip) and slump back to a longer-term wait.
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                                                                                        Better catch up on Chinese history Hitch.
                                                                                        Looks like there's a new chapter incoming.
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                                                                                          Originally posted by Tar.Aldarion View Post

                                                                                          What's the info saying that (only one I saw was fraud), all the science sources I've seen say something along the lines of:

                                                                                          There are hundreds of papers looking at ivermectin vs. COVID-19. In general, the larger and more carefully conducted the studies are, the weaker the effect that's seen with ivermectin. That's a pattern that's seen with things that don't actually work well.

                                                                                          A couple of the more recent, large, randomized controlled studies are not optimistic, but don't completely rule out possible weak effects:

                                                                                          In this randomized clinical trial that included 476 patients, the duration of symptoms was not significantly different for patients who received a 5-day course of ivermectin compared with placebo (median time to resolution of symptoms, 10 vs 12 days; hazard ratio for resolution of symptoms, 1.07).

                                                                                          The findings do not support the use of ivermectin for treatment of mild COVID-19, although larger trials may be needed to understand effects on other clinically relevant outcomes.

                                                                                          --Effect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19

                                                                                          It's obvious that the possible role for ivermectin hasn't been automatically dismissed -- all the major players included trials for it, there are hundreds of papers, and there are dozens of registered clinical trials investigating it.

                                                                                          And yet there are no large, randomized controlled trials that clearly show a clinical effect of ivermectin on COVID-19 mortality, sickness, time to recovery, etc. Sometimes there are marginal effects on surrogate factors (lower virus titers; effects on cultured cells). But the thing about useful, effective treatments is that you don't have to look at surrogate measures. If some studies find a weak effect and others find no effect -- If you have hundreds of people in your randomized trial and you need more to decide if there's any effect at all -- then any effect must be weak or non-existent.

                                                                                          We're at that point with ivermectin. It's been given a long, hard, careful look, and the conclusion is that there may be something there but it's really marginal.
                                                                                          Like I say the effect is probably mild. I wouldn't be that surprised if there is actually no effect, but I'd say it's 4/6 to be an effective treatment (just nowhere near as effective as vaccination). But don't you think it's strange that the large scale RCTs are only being done now, meanwhile it has been used as a treatment all over the developing for nearly a year? Something has gone very wrong in either or both directions simultaneously.
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                                                                                            Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post
                                                                                            Better catch up on Chinese history Hitch.
                                                                                            Looks like there's a new chapter incoming.
                                                                                            There could well be some temporary shocks, but probably nothing. Usually these types of asset-backed situations get sorted out with short sharp interventions. Forced mergers, forced takeovers. And the Chinese gov has no shortage of these tools in its arsenal and no shortage of willingness to deploy the big bazookas (they actually have quite impressive regulatory management there, no bullshit allowed on monopolies etc). Of course, sometimes it gets worse but that's when we know that at least we'll get some glorious movies out of it, so its really a win-win.

                                                                                            Am open to other opinions btw on whats happening in China, but it just seems to be at big-country = big-bankruptcies (but-slightly-worrying) levels at the moment?





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                                                                                              It's not a new problem, but it seems it's approaching it's zenith
                                                                                              https://www.economist.com/finance-an...oo-big-to-fail

                                                                                              Beijing will need to back up a truck sized printer to bail them out.
                                                                                              But once they do, there's a multitude of business up to their gills in debt in china that'll be looking for the same.
                                                                                              It could honestly be a massive implosion of the chinese economy.
                                                                                              I'd be interested in Denny Crane 's take on it. Or indeed, any of our market savvy friends.
                                                                                              I think it's a huge deal.
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                                                                                                Yeah maybe. Probably not though. I think about 1 in every 20 market events that seem like they are about to cause massive financial implosions actually end up being financial implosions. Not that China isn't built on a house of cards - but every country is, fundamentally. It doesn't really seem to be serious yet I think, given that China collapsing would be the equivalent of the US collapsing. And indeed would cause the US to collapse. 2007 would be nothing compared to a serious problem in China. Its too big too fail.
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                                                                                                    Here's my stupid question of the day. I googled it, but could only see an answer for Australia. A standard driving test question and answer is: 'when can you cross a solid white line on the road?'. Answer: Never. Can I confirm the common sense intuition that you can cross a solid white line to get to your own parkway on the other side of the road?
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                                                                                                      Always had issues with our 5 (nearly 6) year old putting her to bed and then waking loads in the middle of the night. She’s never been a good sleeper. Both other kids are good sleepers. Anyway last night we did meditation from a YouTube video for kids and out like a light in 10 minutes and slept through the night. Same again this evening so hopefully it works. Nice to actually do it as well to help clear the mind a little. Never really did it before.
                                                                                                      His rival it seems, had broken his dreams,By stealing the girl of his fancy.Her name was Magill, and she called herself Lil,But everyone knew her as Nancy.

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                                                                                                        Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                                                        Here's my stupid question of the day. I googled it, but could only see an answer for Australia. A standard driving test question and answer is: 'when can you cross a solid white line on the road?'. Answer: Never. Can I confirm the common sense intuition that you can cross a solid white line to get to your own parkway on the other side of the road?
                                                                                                        Probably illegal in the eyes of the law? Are there real life examples though? Wouldn’t have thought it’d be very prevalent.

                                                                                                        Potential to challenge any fine possibly as i’d guess the council shouldn’t be marking the road as a solid line at entrances

                                                                                                        All just a guess

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                                                                                                          To add: the chances of you being ‘done’ for crossing a solid line to get into your own driveway must be, conservatively (i think), in the hundreds of thousands to one.

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                                                                                                            Originally posted by Degag View Post

                                                                                                            Probably illegal in the eyes of the law? Are there real life examples though? Wouldn’t have thought it’d be very prevalent.

                                                                                                            Potential to challenge any fine possibly as i’d guess the council shouldn’t be marking the road as a solid line at entrances

                                                                                                            All just a guess
                                                                                                            This is the actual place! So crossing at the yellow-box thing into the driveway on the right, from the laneway that the red car is in.

                                                                                                            I get that its a thing that people can practically do, just wondering if you are actually allowed, or if you are technically meant to go down to a point in the lane without a solid white line to cross.


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                                                                                                              Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View Post

                                                                                                              Like I say the effect is probably mild. I wouldn't be that surprised if there is actually no effect, but I'd say it's 4/6 to be an effective treatment (just nowhere near as effective as vaccination). But don't you think it's strange that the large scale RCTs are only being done now, meanwhile it has been used as a treatment all over the developing for nearly a year? Something has gone very wrong in either or both directions simultaneously.


                                                                                                              I mean if people were being given this drug anyway then people should have been studying that, 250 million people take it per year as a matter of course.
                                                                                                              As for running more trials elsewhere, there are a ton of places that could study this but I don't really have insight into how they choose what to do, maybe initial trials were not positive enough to garner more attention and attention is elsewhere, people weren't really looking for marginal at best benefits I gather. Some were running, the one I mentioned above was published 6 months ago and started running over a year ago.
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                                                                                                                Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                                                                Here's my stupid question of the day. I googled it, but could only see an answer for Australia. A standard driving test question and answer is: 'when can you cross a solid white line on the road?'. Answer: Never. Can I confirm the common sense intuition that you can cross a solid white line to get to your own parkway on the other side of the road?
                                                                                                                I looked up the law for you:
                                                                                                                9 Continuous white lines 9. An authorised continuous white line along the centre of a roadway shall indicate that traffic must drive to the left of the line, and when on a stretch of roadway on which such a line has been provided a driver shall, save for the purpose of entering or leaving land or premises adjoining the right hand side of that roadway, drive to the left of the line.
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                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post

                                                                                                                  This is the actual place! So crossing at the yellow-box thing into the driveway on the right, from the laneway that the red car is in.

                                                                                                                  I get that its a thing that people can practically do, just wondering if you are actually allowed, or if you are technically meant to go down to a point in the lane without a solid white line to cross.


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                                                                                                                  Ugh, that is such a pain in the bollox. To the letter of the law, you're not allowed to turn right there. It also looks like it's quite close to a junction?

                                                                                                                  But in the real world, you need to get in and I'm.not sure you'd get "done" for it as such. Its probably best to use a bit of common sense each time.

                                                                                                                  If there's a decent flow of traffic coming towards you or up behind you, I probably wouldn't sit there waiting to make the turn but if it looks alright, I'd just turn in. There is a notoriously similar one in Killarney, almost on top of a set of traffic lights and it's a shambles so I feel your pain.

                                                                                                                  Is there a roundabout up ahead or anything where you could swing round so you're on the correct side of the road?

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                                                                                                                    Hmmm. That doesn’t look like a driveway per se?

                                                                                                                    Maybe it’s an estate or something but I took you to mean a driveway a house.

                                                                                                                    Left and right turns are prohibited alot. Usually for safety, close to a bad bend etc.

                                                                                                                    That looks to be a main (ish) road so same rules apply.

                                                                                                                    In saying all the above, the grey car seems to be in a yellow box too? A yellow box means you can’t stop in it. Inherently perhaps indicating that you can cross as why would there be a yellow box otherwise?

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                                                                                                                      I'd move house

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                                                                                                                        Tar's reply surprised me. Would have also said you should be driving on and looking for a turnaround.
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                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Degag View Post
                                                                                                                          Hmmm. That doesn’t look like a driveway per se?

                                                                                                                          Maybe it’s an estate or something but I took you to mean a driveway a house.

                                                                                                                          Left and right turns are prohibited alot. Usually for safety, close to a bad bend etc.

                                                                                                                          That looks to be a main (ish) road so same rules apply.

                                                                                                                          In saying all the above, the grey car seems to be in a yellow box too? A yellow box means you can’t stop in it. Inherently perhaps indicating that you can cross as why would there be a yellow box otherwise?
                                                                                                                          Yellow box is to allow people to pull out from the driveway. Not for people to turn right. Technically.

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