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    Originally posted by jbravado View Post
    If you people honestly dont see an issue with people being coerced into taking something into their own body because of the shackles ot economics and social conditioning, healthy people who take care of their body and mind, you dont think these people have a right to say : No I am healthy. I dont eat meat. I dont eat refined sugar. I dont est processes food. I do not want this. I'll take my chances.

    The people they are putting at risk????? The people who sre vaccinated!???????? I mean and YOU think people are stupid?????

    Oh wait, you do think they have they choice. But still think it's fine for them to be suspended without pay for exerting that choice.

    Sure. Fucking. Thing.

    fuck me comfort rots people ability to critically engage with things.

    Do you think this ever ends???
    To point out the obvious here and based on your statements here:
    1. You took the vaccine
    2. You got covid and were hospitalised

    If you hadn't done (1), (2) might well have ended with the words 'and died'.

    And yet you're getting wildly emotional on behalf of people making an irrational choice to put themselves and others in line to die a preventable death.
    Does not compute very well.
    "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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      Same reason for anything that corrodes truth and integrity. Money.
      Its also quite a powerful physiological tool. In general we want to do what everyone else is doing. Relentless, everyone else is doing this. I better too.
      Fair enough. All in the game.

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        I see I'm a Nazi now.

        Inevitable I suppose.

        father_ted_s3e1.jpg
        "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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          Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

          To point out the obvious here and based on your statements here:
          1. You took the vaccine
          2. You got covid and were hospitalised

          If you hadn't done (1), (2) might well have ended with the words 'and died'.

          And yet you're getting wildly emotional on behalf of people making an irrational choice to put themselves and others in line to die a preventable death.
          Does not compute very well.
          Huh??? Shows me you have barely read I thing I have said. No I havent and wont be getting vaccinated. The last part is some epic leap.

          I think in general it's good business to take it, but as a point of protest that we should have a right to choose, truly choose without implicit coercion, from pharma, supported by big tech,I wont be doing so.

          There may well be pandemics that could justify governments saying you HAVE to take this. This isnt one.

          Does anyone here, anyone know anyone who close to them to have died of Covid? Not uncles neighbours milkman etc.

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            Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post
            I see I'm a Nazi now.

            Inevitable I suppose.

            father_ted_s3e1.jpg
            I think you would certainly have 'supported' nazism Yes. I think I might well have done. Not because we are evil. Or hate Jews. But because we are comfortable and wouldnt have wanted to lay down our lives, and that of our families to protest a clear evil. I think 90% fall into that category. Maybe some super brave minority who were willing to die because they saw it for what it was.

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              Originally posted by jbravado View Post
              Same reason for anything that corrodes truth and integrity. Money.
              Its also quite a powerful physiological tool. In general we want to do what everyone else is doing. Relentless, everyone else is doing this. I better too.
              Fair enough. All in the game.
              A good argument could be made that the Italian govt are taking these measures with safeguarding the economy the primary driver, rather than public health.

              It does seem that angers you. But your argument is about people being forced into vaccination to save their livelihoods.

              Doesn't safeguarding an economy protect livelihoods? On a gigantic scale?
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              ​​​​​
              I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

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                Originally posted by jbravado View Post

                Huh??? Shows me you have barely read I thing I have said. No I havent and wont be getting vaccinated. The last part is some epic leap.
                Must have confused you with sickpuppy.

                But the point stands, if you had been vaccinated, then you probably wouldn't have ended up in hospital.
                Might have been nicer for the health workers involved not to to have to waste their time with someone who wouldn't take a safe, effective vaccine.

                Does anyone here, anyone know anyone who close to them to have died of Covid? Not uncles neighbours milkman etc.
                You're completely off the deep end of conspiratorial fantasy now. I don't know what's happened to you lately but you need to get a grip back on reality.
                "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                  Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                  Must have confused you with sickpuppy.

                  But the point stands, if you had been vaccinated, then you probably wouldn't have ended up in hospital.
                  Might have been nicer for the health workers involved not to to have to waste their time with someone who wouldn't take a safe, effective vaccine.



                  You're completely off the deep end of conspiratorial fantasy now. I don't know what's happened to you lately but you need to get a grip back on reality.

                  So you have responded to precisely nothing I said.

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                    People die. Millions have died from Covid. I'm.not denying that. You seem to lack the intelligence to see the broader points I am making.

                    And mate, I wouldnt swap my reality for yours for anything in the world.
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                      Originally posted by jbravado View Post


                      So you have responded to precisely nothing I said.
                      I don't see anything worth responding to. You're all over the shop with rambling, nonsensical, deeply angry posts. Half of them can't even be parsed for any kind of basic meaning. I don't know where you get them from, presumably some dark corner of the internet.

                      Note the complete lack of support for anything you're saying on this topic, from anyone on here by the way. Think about how unusual that is and why.

                      Anyway, I won't be engaging with you any further on the topic so best of luck with it all. Glad you got out of the hospital and are hopefully over it all.
                      "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                        So, it appears auld Joe is still kicking !

                        Dobby put it well the other day..
                        .Secondly, and this isnt a dig at you, it's people and society in general. The problem is you replied to just a quick clip instead of checking out the story first. See it all the time online, people responding to things when they dont actually know the full story available. And when people do that and are in the wrong, they should be called on it. Nothing more to it.


                        Time to start calling people out...
                        This too shall pass.

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                          @ Raoul.

                          And you have become a lazy, arrogant prick as far as I can see. Read my posts.

                          You want to paint me as a Covid denier. I'm not.

                          i think as a a point of principle there are things worth making a broader stand for.

                          Is there anything youd do that for?

                          Not much time bringing the kids to cricket matches and shitting on about cheese.

                          Go. Fuck. Yourself.

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                            Originally posted by jbravado View Post


                            So you have responded to precisely nothing I said.
                            You seem to be doing this yourself. I’ve seen a good few questions posed to you in a polite manner but haven’t seen a response.

                            You seem to have a holier than thou attitude with all this. ‘As in ‘I get it, how do all you numpties not.’ Ridiculing people saying they are not worthy of a response when they politely disagree with you.

                            People seemingly hold you in good regard here in the fact they are trying to engage with wild opinions reasonably

                            It’s not really a good attitude to have on your part IMO

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                              Originally posted by jbravado View Post

                              Huh??? Shows me you have barely read I thing I have said. No I havent and wont be getting vaccinated. The last part is some epic leap.

                              I think in general it's good business to take it, but as a point of protest that we should have a right to choose, truly choose without implicit coercion, from pharma, supported by big tech,I wont be doing so.

                              There may well be pandemics that could justify governments saying you HAVE to take this. This isnt one.

                              Does anyone here, anyone know anyone who close to them to have died of Covid? Not uncles neighbours milkman etc.
                              Yes I do, guy I used to work with who was in the uk.

                              it was last year pre vaccine roll out. In their 50’s with 3 kids.

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                                Originally posted by RichieM View Post

                                Yes I do, guy I used to work with who was in the uk.

                                it was last year pre vaccine roll out. In their 50’s with 3 kids.
                                A poster here's mother died of it too.
                                "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                  Originally posted by RichieM View Post

                                  Yes I do, guy I used to work with who was in the uk.

                                  it was last year pre vaccine roll out. In their 50’s with 3 kids.
                                  Richie, was meant to call you. So sorry dude, an absolute mental couple of weeks on a project in work, my brain has been mush. I will give you a shout tomorrow.
                                  I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

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                                    My uncle's neighbour died.

                                    Seriously.

                                    She was like family in fairness.
                                    I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

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                                      Condolences to anyone who lost people to this virus.

                                      I'll try and respond in a more reasonable manner when I'm not frazzled with punting this 2.30

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                                        Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                        3,000 French health care workers suspended without pay. So consequences are being felt and no doubt more widely as that was just the first story I found.

                                        You would assume a lot of those are now busily arranging vaccinations.
                                        Might not have been clear. But I was looking for evidence that this had happened in Ireland. Forced vaccinations. A that’s what was claimed.

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                                          Originally posted by Mellor View Post

                                          Might not have been clear. But I was looking for evidence that this had happened in Ireland. Forced vaccinations. A that’s what was claimed.
                                          The whole thing started with the news that it's been introduced in Italy. Argument now is based on the potential of it happening here.
                                          I hold silver in tit for tat, and I love you for that

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                                            Originally posted by Mellor View Post

                                            Might not have been clear. But I was looking for evidence that this had happened in Ireland. Forced vaccinations. A that’s what was claimed.
                                            Oh, sorry thought you meant consequences for anti-vaxxers.

                                            Clearly there's zero evidence of forced vaccinations.
                                            "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                              Originally posted by Lazare View Post

                                              The whole thing started with the news that it's been introduced in Italy. Argument now is based on the potential of it happening here.
                                              But to come back to yesterday before the conversation went off into the stratosphere, I would think that the already extremely high vaccination rate here would probably make it less likely. Plus a legal environment that would make it problematic.

                                              "We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."

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                                                Originally posted by jbravado View Post
                                                It not conspiracy stuff. We are in a vaccine drive. That will almost certainly save lives. So whatever subtle skewage needs to be presented to help up the numbers is done. Honestly its prob not even a bad thing. No doctor evils. No cartel of villains in a dark room. Just a virus. And then the opportunism of economics.
                                                You state people shouldn’t be coerced, I agree with that. I think that also goes the other way. People shouldn’t be coerced or encouraged into not getting the vaccine. People spreading lies about the vaccine or covid. Some are doing it intentionally, they are scum. Others are probably just naive or gullible. Not bad people, just easily lead.
                                                The unvaxxed who have valid reasons, are probably a tiny fraction.

                                                You seem to acknowledge that the vaccine saves lives. You previously acknowledged that the fact people will choose to not get the vax is not fit for ridicule as it will mean some will die. People will be dead due to a choice they make. Thats where I struggle to follow your logic.

                                                It’s easy to brush aside s the idiots who are getting it because there insist it’s got a microchips in it. But you acknowledge it’s net positive. and feel going the opposite way to the masses is the better choice. A negative choice for the sake of choice.

                                                I’ve said all along that people should be free to choose not to. But they should have an actually reason underwriting that choice. Opposing coercing is not a reason, it’s retaliation.



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                                                  jbravado Nobody have the right to endanger other people lives also. You have the right not to have the vaccination, therefore the employer should have the right to decide to have a policy that protect the workforce from the disease. If you don't agree with that policy, then they are welcome to find another job elsewhere.

                                                  Remember the vaccination is not 100% effective, don't we have a duty to protect the vulnerable also as they have a right to work also? Why no concern for them?

                                                  ​​​​​​​I have a father who would be high risk and vaccinated.... I still would be concerned about him in a work environment why would I want unvaccinated people to work around him?
                                                  No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                                                    he might not have taken the vaccine but he definitly took something, full on meltdown!

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                                                      Originally posted by Opr View Post

                                                      If it was just about lack of games and playing I would have thought they would be massively in favor of taking vaccines and encourage everyone to do the same so they can get back to normality? I haven't looked into it a huge amount but they seem to be deep down the rabbit hole on the anti-vax side. Their views recently came to light around the WSOP's decision to only allow people who are vaccinated to play.
                                                      Taking that view means that you accept the games have to shut down for months and months until we reach critically high levels of immunity. That means accepting temporary loss of income. Most people have taken that position.
                                                      But the anti position, is that it’s all unnecessary and BS and we could be open all along. That’s obviously incorrect, but that position means you earnings don’t suffer (at least in their mind).

                                                      People who are high impacted (live poker players, gym owners, MMA fighters) may not have the financial stability to accept option 1. Which makes option 2 much more appealing. Just a theory why it’s more prolific in certain fields.

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                                                        Mikey Fogarty, Cheltenham winning jockey came on as a sub for St Annes in Wexford hurling final. Thought it was a shame he retired a few years ago. Thought he could have become one of the best in Ireland.
                                                        Jayzus, Sheila! I forgot me feckin' trousers

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                                                          Brother and his wife and kids all have covid now. Kid got it in school. All in a heap Apparently . 1st time the clan have it with some issues. . Asymptomatic up to now .

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                                                            Originally posted by Solksjaer! View Post
                                                            A question for the jbravado types .

                                                            How dangerous should a virus/disease be before you lose the right to work with others without getting vaccinated against it ? Where is the line in the sand and who should decide where that line goes ? There simply has to be a line though . Right ?
                                                            Serious question.

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                                                              Originally posted by Opr View Post
                                                              Screener of The Card Counter with cousins.
                                                              Watched it last night, seemed very disjointed. I kept thinking Joaquin Phoenix would have been very good as the lead. Still not sure what the main theme was.
                                                              This too shall pass.

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                                                                Originally posted by oleras View Post
                                                                So, it appears auld Joe is still kicking !

                                                                Dobby put it well the other day..

                                                                Time to start calling people out...
                                                                Ah in fairness, Emmet corrected his own post yesterday

                                                                Originally posted by Emmet View Post

                                                                fake news merchant

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                                                                  Originally posted by Raoul Duke III View Post

                                                                  A poster here's mother died of it too.
                                                                  My aunt also chinned out. 93 years old and led a very active life until covid. Never sick a day in her life.

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                                                                    Had a grand few hours in.the mountains.
                                                                    Highlight was feeding a horse some of my apple (was looking at him over a fence and when he saw the apple he let out a big whinny and made his way over)
                                                                    Trick is to keep your hand flat with the treat on it and they kind of snaffle it off without biting you.
                                                                    Hadnt intended feeding the greedy bastard but couldnt deny him a piece seeing as it seemingly was going to make his day!

                                                                    Low light...was a bit hungry later!

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                                                                      Originally posted by oleras View Post

                                                                      Watched it last night, seemed very disjointed. I kept thinking Joaquin Phoenix would have been very good as the lead. Still not sure what the main theme was.
                                                                      Yeah, I didn't enjoy it. I actually thought Oscar Isaac was very good as the lead and one of the few redeemable things about the film. Certainly not a film that will be causing any kind of poker boom

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                                                                        Originally posted by Opr View Post

                                                                        Yeah, I didn't enjoy it. I actually thought Oscar Isaac was very good as the lead and one of the few redeemable things about the film. Certainly not a film that will be causing any kind of poker boom
                                                                        USA USA USA
                                                                        This too shall pass.

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                                                                          Had to read back 20 posts to see arch-Zionist Raoul accused of being worse ​​​​than Hitler, but it was worth it.
                                                                          "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                                            Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                            Had to read back 20 posts to see arch-Zionist Raoul accused of being worse ​​​​than Hitler, but it was worth it.
                                                                            I enjoyed the emotional rollercoaster of Sam accusing Raoul of arrogance and then challenging him to an IQ test all in the same paragraph.
                                                                            Last edited by Hectorjelly; 19-09-21, 20:31.

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                                                                              Originally posted by Hectorjelly View Post

                                                                              I enjoyed the emotional rollercoaster of Sam accusing Raoul arrogancece and then challenging him to an IQ test all in the same paragraph.
                                                                              When you get to the stage of proposing maths competitions you've really just got to let the school years go.
                                                                              "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                                                So, to try and respond a little less emotively.

                                                                                I think anyone with the inclination to understand my opinion and POV, to actually understand why I am emotive, can understand why if they actually read my posts.

                                                                                I think It is an extremely dangerous, and invasive overreach, for gov/pharma/tech (essentially this has become one arm) to suspend or take peoples right to work away if the want to choose what goes into their body. It's that simple. A lot of you seem to agree, that it should be a personal choice, but dont view that implicit coercion as not making it a choice, in what my definition of the word is.

                                                                                I wont be responding to anything else. Actually finding this whole exchange quite traumatic as I am quite a sensitive person.

                                                                                I believe we have a right to decide what goes into our body. I dont think our rights, to x y or z should be dependant on that. That's it.

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                                                                                  To HJ and Hitch. Raoul basically insinuated I was stupid, referenced rogue/ hillbilly America.

                                                                                  I was responding to that. I dont think its particularly juvenile.

                                                                                  You think I'm stupid. I'll demonstrably prove I am not.

                                                                                  but cheers.

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                                                                                    Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
                                                                                    Had to read back 20 posts to see arch-Zionist Raoul accused of being worse ​​​​than Hitler, but it was worth it.
                                                                                    Nope. I suggested like the huge, percentage of us all, if we had the misfortune of being German in cusp NAZI German. Those of us.with family and well paid jobs, it's unlikely any of us would of had the bravery to put out life on the line to protest against something clearly beyond evil. To highlight, a global conscious that almost nothing would pierce that would motivate us to risk our life for our beliefs.

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                                                                                      Originally posted by jbravado View Post
                                                                                      So, to try and respond a little less emotively.

                                                                                      I think anyone with the inclination to understand my opinion and POV, to actually understand why I am emotive, can understand why if they actually read my posts.

                                                                                      I think It is an extremely dangerous, and invasive overreach, for gov/pharma/tech (essentially this has become one arm) to suspend or take peoples right to work away if the want to choose what goes into their body. It's that simple. A lot of you seem to agree, that it should be a personal choice, but dont view that implicit coercion as not making it a choice, in what my definition of the word is.

                                                                                      I wont be responding to anything else. Actually finding this whole exchange quite traumatic as I am quite a sensitive person.

                                                                                      I believe we have a right to decide what goes into our body. I dont think our rights, to x y or z should be dependant on that. That's it.
                                                                                      Should people have the right to knowing endanger another person? Cause that is what you are asking for.
                                                                                      No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.

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                                                                                        Originally posted by Solksjaer! View Post

                                                                                        Serious question.
                                                                                        Didnt mean to ignore you.

                                                                                        I'm not places to answer

                                                                                        You can check this yourself but currently CDC website

                                                                                        0-19: age - 99.997 recovery rate

                                                                                        20-29 age - 99.98%

                                                                                        50-69 age -99.5%

                                                                                        70 + 94.6 %

                                                                                        I'd imagine this most vunerable agre group are now fully vaxed, non vaxxed getting vaxxed doesnt seem to reduce potential infection much. It clearly helps people get less sick.


                                                                                        There could well be a pathogen or virus that I would be onboard with compulsory vaccination. I'm not placed to know what numbers that would have to correlate to.



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                                                                                          Originally posted by pokerhand View Post

                                                                                          Should people have the right to knowing endanger another person? Cause that is what you are asking for.
                                                                                          I have articulated clearly multiple times I wont be replying to further comments. Out of courteousy I'll try and respond to any previously made.

                                                                                          But, to extend you the same courteousy. If I get vaxxed tomorrow, I can still spread the disease. I don't see how healthy people, endanger others. The people I potentially infact are all vaccinated. Protected.

                                                                                          We cant make this virus disappear. It exsists. Ultimately we will all have had it. And in all likelihood we will face it multiple times. I have had Covid. Recovered quickly. I dont see how getting vaccinated would change my endangering others. I don't want to endanger others. If getting vaxxed hugely reduced my likelihood to infect others I may reconsider but it's a leap I dont understand. I have natural immunity.

                                                                                          Again wont be responding further, so not being rude if I dont respond to any response.

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                                                                                            Originally posted by Mellor View Post
                                                                                            Taking that view means that you accept the games have to shut down for months and months until we reach critically high levels of immunity. That means accepting temporary loss of income. Most people have taken that position.
                                                                                            But the anti position, is that it’s all unnecessary and BS and we could be open all along. That’s obviously incorrect, but that position means you earnings don’t suffer (at least in their mind).

                                                                                            People who are high impacted (live poker players, gym owners, MMA fighters) may not have the financial stability to accept option 1. Which makes option 2 much more appealing. Just a theory why it’s more prolific in certain fields.
                                                                                            I agree 100% that the lens in which you view this whole thing is very likely to be shaded by the econmic impact it had on you. I have said this since the very beginning.

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                                                                                              Originally posted by premierstone View Post
                                                                                              he might not have taken the vaccine but he definitly took something, full on meltdown!
                                                                                              Yep, I stopped eating meat. I no longer eat processed food or refined sugar. I meditate with others two hours a day. I swim in the sea. I drink a huge amount of water. And I dont, use any social media or digest any news content.

                                                                                              Cheers. I hope your life is also well. Classy to adress as he and not say it directly to me. All the best.

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                                                                                                Originally posted by Mellor View Post
                                                                                                You state people shouldn’t be coerced, I agree with that. I think that also goes the other way. People shouldn’t be coerced or encouraged into not getting the vaccine. People spreading lies about the vaccine or covid. Some are doing it intentionally, they are scum. Others are probably just naive or gullible. Not bad people, just easily lead.
                                                                                                The unvaxxed who have valid reasons, are probably a tiny fraction.

                                                                                                You seem to acknowledge that the vaccine saves lives. You previously acknowledged that the fact people will choose to not get the vax is not fit for ridicule as it will mean some will die. People will be dead due to a choice they make. Thats where I struggle to follow your logic.

                                                                                                It’s easy to brush aside s the idiots who are getting it because there insist it’s got a microchips in it. But you acknowledge it’s net positive. and feel going the opposite way to the masses is the better choice. A negative choice for the sake of choice.

                                                                                                I’ve said all along that people should be free to choose not to. But they should have an actually reason underwriting that choice. Opposing coercing is not a reason, it’s retaliation.


                                                                                                I dont view it as retaliation. I view it as an expression of my right to, perhaps contortedly so, to oppose those losing their jobs for choosing to decide what goes in their body. It could well.be something I revisit. I currently view it as a valid reason, along with having naturally procured immunity but who knows could change. I agree with your other points.

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                                                                                                  Originally posted by Degag View Post

                                                                                                  You seem to be doing this yourself. I’ve seen a good few questions posed to you in a polite manner but haven’t seen a response.

                                                                                                  You seem to have a holier than thou attitude with all this. ‘As in ‘I get it, how do all you numpties not.’ Ridiculing people saying they are not worthy of a response when they politely disagree with you.

                                                                                                  People seemingly hold you in good regard here in the fact they are trying to engage with wild opinions reasonably

                                                                                                  It’s not really a good attitude to have on your part IMO
                                                                                                  I'm defo doing it to myself unfortunately. A good observation. I felt I responded for the most part, perhaps no directly, in very instance. Betting so hadnt huge time to devote.

                                                                                                  Certainly not holier than thou, what you mean here I guess is, arrogant know it all attitude. I see a bit of that in my posts. I think it's an expression of my frustration that, what I think is so clear is viewed, as radical.

                                                                                                  It's a platform, that will for the most part have these days opinions. I have spent the last year between communities where the views held here would be viewed as radical. So engaging in this, and this platform is dedo letting myself down.

                                                                                                  I have met almost every person here at the tables. I never as far as I know didnt get on with them. I cant imagine many of them felt I was particularly dim in any way. I don't view any opinion expressed as wild if you read them from a lens of not painting me as some anti vaxxer, which I'm not
                                                                                                  unfortunately such is the temperature of all this still that's what happens the moment you Express any.oppsong viewpoint.

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                                                                                                    That's it's taking the steps to delete my account. So all the best to you all. Continued health and be well. Sorry I called you a prick Raoul and told you to fuck yourself Lazare.

                                                                                                    Goodluck.

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                                                                                                      Originally posted by jbravado View Post

                                                                                                      How do you know what people are weighing up or not. From where are you casting this judgement. The people I know who are anti, live in a way, that tries to honour every sentient creature there is. They treat their bodies as such. Cold water. Fruit. Veg. No meat. No refined sugar. No processed shite. No alcohol. No porn. Sit with themselves. Read. Actually read and try and learn from the wisdom of the past.
                                                                                                      It's a respiratory disease. These things literally do zero to reduce risk.

                                                                                                      I go back to the drink driving analogy. If someone is happy to increase their risk to this disease is one thing. But, not being vaccinated increases the risk for everyone. Unless they're going to isolate themselves 100% from society, not being vaccinated is a very selfish decision. And it's misguided. People can be intelligent and wise and make silly mistakes.


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                                                                                                        Originally posted by jbravado View Post

                                                                                                        Nope. I suggested like the huge, percentage of us all, if we had the misfortune of being German in cusp NAZI German. Those of us.with family and well paid jobs, it's unlikely any of us would of had the bravery to put out life on the line to protest against something clearly beyond evil. To highlight, a global conscious that almost nothing would pierce that would motivate us to risk our life for our beliefs.
                                                                                                        I was merely using your insult of Raoul in order to also insult him in a different way.

                                                                                                        Don't agree with you in general. I think there are some levels of coordinated behaviour in the world, amongst world powers, but they tend to have quite obvious political gains. Covid ain't that.

                                                                                                        I think you've overthought it and it's best to let it go and move onto the next thing. I do realise, as I've an uncle of the same mindset, that there's no point saying that. But you've clearly a class brain based on your poker tournament outcomes and I suspect you'll wake up in a few months and think "wowsers that was a strange few years, what's next?!".

                                                                                                        Genuinely mean it without serious judgement, even though it is clearly 'judgey'. I've been through those periods myself.

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                                                                                                        "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                                                                          Originally posted by Denny Crane View Post

                                                                                                          It's a respiratory disease. These things literally do zero to reduce risk.

                                                                                                          I go back to the drink driving analogy. If someone is happy to increase their risk to this disease is one thing. But, not being vaccinated increases the risk for everyone. Unless they're going to isolate themselves 100% from society, not being vaccinated is a very selfish decision. And it's misguided. People can be intelligent and wise and make silly mistakes.
                                                                                                          How???? Vaccination it appears does little to impact the spread of the disease. How does it protect others. It protects you. You.

                                                                                                          As. Does. Doing all the above. Food. Water. Etc etc etc. That protects you. Are you telling me living and being as healthy as possible doesnt impact your risk!???

                                                                                                          As I guess you coulda argue, do natural immunity if your are lucky enough that to.doesnt fuck you up.

                                                                                                          I mean is this real life????




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                                                                                                            Originally posted by jbravado View Post
                                                                                                            That's it's taking the steps to delete my account. So all the best to you all. Continued health and be well. Sorry I called you a prick Raoul and told you to fuck yourself Lazare.

                                                                                                            Goodluck.
                                                                                                            Ah don't do that. We all go back ages.
                                                                                                            "We're not f*cking Burundi" - Big Phil

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                                                                                                              Originally posted by jbravado View Post
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                                                                                                              I think It is an extremely dangerous, and invasive overreach, for gov/pharma/tech (essentially this has become one arm) to suspend or take peoples right to work away if the want to choose what goes into their body. It's that simple. ....
                                                                                                              This predicate is difficult to agree with. That all of your thoughts on the matter rest on this as a ground truth is obvious though. I also don't think it would be overly ridiculous to hold any of the views that you do if this predicate was valid.

                                                                                                              But that's very very much "if my aunt had wheels she'd be a bicycle" stuff. (ty Gino)

                                                                                                              How are Govt and pharma "one arm"?

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                                                                                                                Originally posted by jbravado View Post

                                                                                                                Yep, I stopped eating meat. I no longer eat processed food or refined sugar. I meditate with others two hours a day. I swim in the sea. I drink a huge amount of water. And I dont, use any social media or digest any news content.

                                                                                                                Cheers. I hope your life is also well. Classy to adress as he and not say it directly to me. All the best.
                                                                                                                Surely now you are just taking the piss??

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                                                                                                                  jbravado

                                                                                                                  Perhaps post a bit about poker, food choices etc. Would be interested in hearing about that.

                                                                                                                  If you find yourself getting so frustrated that you're telling people to GFY etc you're not doing yourself any good and like you say you are a sensitive person which makes it even more difficult.

                                                                                                                  I think sometimes in life we need to compartmentalise things a bit to stay sane. Would enjoy hearing a tourney story, mental preparation etc.
                                                                                                                  How did your health improve with giving up processed food etc.

                                                                                                                  Anyway just my 2c good luck anyway.

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                                                                                                                    Originally posted by jbravado View Post

                                                                                                                    How???? Vaccination it appears does little to impact the spread of the disease. How does it protect others. It protects you. You.

                                                                                                                    As. Does. Doing all the above. Food. Water. Etc etc etc. That protects you. Are you telling me living and being as healthy as possible doesnt impact your risk!???

                                                                                                                    As I guess you coulda argue, do natural immunity if your are lucky enough that to.doesnt fuck you up.

                                                                                                                    I mean is this real life????
                                                                                                                    Not being old or obese is the main thing.

                                                                                                                    People who are vaccinated are less likely to spread it, and if they do spread it they deliver a far lower viral load. Meaning milder infections. Also less likely to need hospitalisation or intensive care, which frees up space for others.

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                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Emmet View Post

                                                                                                                      This predicate is difficult to agree with. That all of your thoughts on the matter rest on this as a ground truth is obvious though. I also don't think it would be overly ridiculous to hold any of the views that you do if this predicate was valid.

                                                                                                                      But that's very very much "if my aunt had wheels she'd be a bicycle" stuff. (ty Gino)

                                                                                                                      How are Govt and pharma "one arm"?

                                                                                                                      I'd really ask people, to read my articulated comment, which I have now said maybe 4 times. I dont want to be rude but I really no longer want this indefinitely rumble on. Awaiting a response from mods to delete account, no drama or toys of pram I just find most stuff here quite dull as I'm sure loads of people find this full.

                                                                                                                      They have always been one arm, or at least for a long time.

                                                                                                                      Please No longer quote me.

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                                                                                                                        RIP Boycie.

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                                                                                                                          Originally posted by jbravado View Post

                                                                                                                          I have met almost every person here at the tables. I never as far as I know didnt get on with them. I cant imagine many of them felt I was particularly dim in any way. I don't view any opinion expressed as wild if you read them from a lens of not painting me as some anti vaxxer, which I'm not
                                                                                                                          unfortunately such is the temperature of all this still that's what happens the moment you Express any.oppsong viewpoint.
                                                                                                                          It’s ultimately up to you but the above is probably why you shouldn’t delete your account. I don’t know you from adam but many here do and they obviously don’t think you are dim or otherwise they wouldn’t have engaged with you like they did.

                                                                                                                          I’d guess they think the opposite as such.

                                                                                                                          We all have differing opinions. I personally think you are very wrong. But heh-ho. All i can nearly say for certain is we will all be talking about this for many years to come

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