Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Mammy told me not to come.

[Silver-Tiger]

Have to transfer a large some of money to somebody in England for a car purchase. Currency fair the way to go to save a few quid?

[eamonhonda]

Not cancelling St Patrick’s day celebrations is madness. Do it before people start travelling.

Can you really cancel it bar parade and official events. Won't the masses travel to get messy in the pubs and slobber all over each other anyhow?

[LuckyLloyd]

Can you really cancel it bar parade and official events. Won't the masses travel to get messy in the pubs and slobber all over each other anyhow?

Cancelling parades and official events across the country an excellent start. Doing it early even better.

[Strewelpeter]

Cancelling parades and official events across the country an excellent start. Doing it early even better.

Really

I'm genuinely confused as to the logic or the rights and wrongs underlying any of this.

Cancel parades across the country and you have to shut down schools, colleges, why not pubs and restaurants, all sports, church gatherings weddings funerals communion's and confirmations etc. ad nauseam

I guess what your saying is that what happened in China and we should follow suit.
I don't think that can happen here.

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[CHDad]

Bruce Aylward, World Health Organization Joint Mission to China:

"I think the key learning from China is speed — it’s all about the speed. The faster you can find the cases, isolate the cases, and track their close contacts, the more successful you’re going to be. [...]

Sure it'll be grand, party on. Aren't the hospitals half empty.

[Guest]

It’s mutating into the BORE-ONA virus at this stage, amirite?

[oleras]

NO...

[Denny Crane]

Really

I'm genuinely confused as to the logic or the rights and wrongs underlying any of this.

Cancel parades across the country and you have to shut down schools, colleges, why not pubs and restaurants, all sports, church gatherings weddings funerals communion's and confirmations etc. ad nauseam

I guess what your saying is that what happened in China and we should follow suit.
I don't think that can happen here.

My memory is a bit hazy for foot and mouth, but wasn't the parade/Cheltenham/most major events cancelled?

[Tar.Aldarion]

Yeah they were cancelled, as that posed a threat to our economy, this only killz people.

[Theresa]

Some day for Kildare sport.

All Kildare Senior Cup.
My old bucks, Naas CBS, 3 in a row Leinster Schools GAA Finals.

[Solksjaer!]

Science will id and nail this virus . So many labs so many scientists. But 1st another mass

[Guest]

The response of the UK vs Ireland may offer an interesting use case of how EU directives which Ireland have employed differ in their effectiveness from those of the UK.

The UK are currently not initiating the centralised closure of schools which is also the official position of Ireland but I suspect the closures may persist here.

One of the primary differences which I think is a good idea from the UK where possible is:

One of the biggest differences in approach between Ireland the UK relates to self-isolation. In the UK, people arriving from areas with ongoing community transmission of Covid-19 are being asked to isolate themselves for 14 days after arriving back. This means they have to stay at home and not go to work or school.

In contrast, Ireland is not asking people who return from areas where there is community transmission of the disease to isolate themselves – unless they develop symptoms. This is because Ireland is following the guidelines laid down by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, to which the UK no longer belongs.

SPOILER

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...91788?mode=amp

[Solksjaer!]

Icelands entry to the Eurovision. Laolao . DP

Winner winner ?

https://youtu.be/VFZNvj-HfBU

[Guest]

Perhaps extend the Eurovision and include this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=V9YirNgAzXI

[shrapnel]

Have to transfer a large some of money to somebody in England for a car purchase. Currency fair the way to go to save a few quid?

Transferwise is good also

[ComradeCollie]

Bernie getting shafted again. Surprised nobody likes Bloomberg. And Biden, the candidate with more advanced dementia than Trump, wow.

[Raoul Duke III]

Science will id and nail this virus . So many labs so many scientists. But 1st another mass

Zuutroy is on it. When not spreading fake news.

[Raoul Duke III]

Bernie getting shafted again.

How?

[ComradeCollie]

How?

Ah, I'm not seriously trying to think about or follow it really. Just the feeling that every other pulling out candidate is supporting Biden.

[Raoul Duke III]

Ah, I'm not seriously trying to think about or follow it really. Just the feeling that every other pulling out candidate is supporting Biden.

Warren will probably support Bernie when she withdraws.

That is the nature of the game though. And Bloomberg will support Biden too.

[Kayroo]

Ah, I'm not seriously trying to think about or follow it really. Just the feeling that every other pulling out candidate is supporting Biden.

Bernie being shafted by Democratic politicians withdrawing from the race and supporting another Democrat rather than an independent trying to run under the Democratic Party banner for his own benefit.

The BASTARDS.

[Kayroo]

In other news, this might be the single worst take I've ever seen from Hitch.

[Guest]

Read this Hitch: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...ackage=1125551

"All military spending does is encourage militaries to war to justify their budgets"
That is a beyond ridiculous soundbite.

[AndyFatBastard]

Yeah they were cancelled, as that posed a threat to our economy, this only killz people.

On the one hand, there might be severe economic disruption. On the other hand, it might clear up a big hole in our pension funds and release a lot of underutilised housing.

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[Kayroo]

Theres a lot of competition in the worst take category, in fairness.

You're consistent I'll give you that.

This one is particularly egregious.

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[Kayroo]

I do feel its right though. Sure spend on cyber and marine defense, as this has a broader use in terms of advancing tech (first) and preventing smuggling (second), and further expand the army rangers unit (for individual threats). But the idea that we should be buying a billion euro worth of fighter pilots to scare off over-flying Russian aircraft is madness - that was the most recent proposal. Why the fck should be care about that when there's so much more pressing and productive demands on public spending.

Military spending is a form of insurance, and like all insurance we should weigh the actual risks versus the actual rewards of increased spending. The whole equation breaks down very quickly on both sides. There's very little actual risk nor has there been for about 90 years, and there's very little benefit or risk averted from increased spending.

A small exception is on military wages, which are shockingly low and should be decent like everyone in society is entitled to.

You are arguing against yourself here. You started out saying that we are the only sane ones because we spend so little. Now you are positively arguing that we need to expand cyber security (a point you're only making because someone pointed it out to you in that twitter thread), upgrade the navy and increase military pay across the board. So, in short, you are in favour of increased military spending which you started out saying was insane.

How do you actually manage to hold these two views in your head at the same time? You must see the contradiction.

You also suggested that increased military spend encourages militaries to war so as to justify the spend which is, as Murdrum pointed out, patently wrong.

[oleras]

Another election must be off the cards now, cant risk people getting contaminated in booths and using dirty pencils, mass gatherings in count centers ?

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[Guest]

The two biggest costs of US military spending is wages and health insurance.

Retrenchment sounds like a great idea as is pumping all your resources into re-educating the force, R&D and skeleton forces abroad but it's more complex.

The US has maintained the strongest economy in the world largely because they can offer military & strategic support to areas such as the Middle East and Europe.

The economic advantages which have been obtained as a result of this "sphere of influence" will not be as easy to maintain without troops on the ground.

A very easy example against retrenchment is that the cost of bringing troops home is often more expensive than stationing them abroad because foreign governments subsidise the housing, training and deployment of the troops.
They're cheaper to leave abroad, not to mention offering a salient example support.

Here's another flaw of military cuts:
Warren’s call for “shutting down a slush fund for defense spending”—liquidating the entire Overseas Contingency Operations account and using the freed-up money for nondefense priorities. That proposal is also deeply misguided: the majority of the account covers expenses not directly related to the U.S. presence in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. It pays for efforts as varied as the stationing of ground and air forces in Europe, naval operations in the Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean, and the ability to scramble jets over American cities in the event of an emergency.

There are definite flaws in strategy where HQ staff and R&D are often the first port of call to see cuts which is counterproductive to the LT goal but less spending = less war is an oversimplification.

That said, as always, love your stuff Hitch.

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[Raoul Duke III]

Theres a lot of competition in the worst take category, in fairness.

Feels like you are just trying to draw the eye away from your theory that freedom is completely overrated.

You need to do an anti-vax thing on Coronavirus to really set yourself apart from the herd though.

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[Raoul Duke III]

Well hotspur is presumably deep in the library trying to find a situation where people have clearly valued freedom over economics, its vanishingly rare today that people actually consider that human right as important as economic human rights unless you go back to an earlier time in history where that was an important factor. Thus the people have spoken on what human rights they most value. Unsurprisingly its quite similar to Maslow and similar rankings - people value most the basic human rights and only after these are achieved do they care about the higher rights written about by rich French philosophers.

All sounds great, until the roundups begin.

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[Guest]

Meh, its rather superficial freedom to be living in Naas and commuting for three hours a day to a shit job so that your Monday to Friday is exclusively taken up with work, you can't see your family, and weekends are spent recovering from the week of work. On paper you have more freedom, but your freedom in practice is 'academic'.

[Kayroo]

Well hotspur is presumably deep in the library trying to find a situation where people have clearly valued freedom over economics, its vanishingly rare today that people actually consider that human right as important as economic human rights unless you go back to an earlier time in history where that was an important factor. Thus the people have spoken on what human rights they most value. Unsurprisingly its quite similar to Maslow and similar rankings - people value most the basic human rights and only after these are achieved do they care about the higher rights written about by rich French philosophers.

You're the canary in the mine Hitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVkTmnJkAN8

[Mellor]

Ireland the only sane nation in a community that hasn't had a war in 80 years and has no foreseeable war in its future.

No chance of a war?
Isn’t there a risk that some violent nation could invade a European country that they see as easy pickings?
Probably not, I wonder why.

[Strewelpeter]

Bernie getting shafted again. Surprised nobody likes Bloomberg. And Biden, the candidate with more advanced dementia than Trump, wow.

If Mayor Pete Buttigiegguiggegiuggieg was to run in the next 8 elections he would still be younger then than any of the remaining candidates in this election are now

[Raoul Duke III]

No chance of a war?
Isn’t there a risk that some violent nation could invade a European country that they see as easy pickings?
Probably not, I wonder why.

Nitpick: Russia has invaded several European countries recently. No EU ones though.

[Mellor]

Nitpick: Russia has invaded several European countries recently. No EU ones though.

True. Probably slightly lazy and imprecise from me. I was referring only European community that Hitch referenced and not the entire continent.

[Solksjaer!]

The right to free water was an example where the people completely ignored the actual economics of the fact (ie it was actually a solid financial necessity) over their human rights to have ‘free’ running water on TAP. They even imprisoned an evil water meter monger in her car to demonstrate the ferocity of their feeling

I’d say if you removed Wifi access from the masses there would possibly be a civil war. I’m not sure if this agrees or disagree with your point as I’m trying desperately to stay awake at a meaningless conference. (FREEDOM)





On a lighter (not by much) note. It’s not that long ago since the brits shot random Irishmen for being Irish and most likely dodgy opponents to the crown. However is it too fancy to imagine a future where brexit collapses the UK economy, the fear of the latest strain of flu pandemic and the fact that we have great Michelin Star Restaurants in Ireland not provoke a reawakening within the hearts of our former landlords to perhaps engage in some Colonial tinkering. John Bull has changed a wee bit but he’s still John Bull at heart. They probably sent Willie Windsor over to overlook their ol preserve. In light of recent political unlikeliness in recent years I wouldn’t rule ‘ANYTHING’ out. Having said that, the Irish Navy could be sunk in a wee rowing accident in a lake when some Cork lads push hard like a dog and sink our battleships. Ooops gotta go , people think I’m working.

[Raoul Duke III]

True. Probably slightly lazy and imprecise from me. I was referring only European community that Hitch referenced and not the entire continent.

Just to point out that we have a highly aggressive and malign (in all senses) actor on our Eastern flank.


so, yeah, let's scrap all military spending...

[hotspur]

Thus the people have spoken on what human rights they most value. Unsurprisingly its quite similar to Maslow and similar rankings - people value most the basic human rights and only after these are achieved do they care about the higher rights written about by rich French philosophers.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs was not based on empirical data and has never been found by psychologists to be accurate. Also Maslow never produced that pyramid or believed that you satisfy the motivations sequentially. The pyramid is a management book creation.

Maslow was very unhappy that business people took his writings on achieving the fullness and creativity of being human and put them in a mere economic or financial framework.

And now to the nub of it. You don't see freedom in Maslow's hierarchy, and it is certainly not, as you seem to suppose, in the higher categories of self-actualisation or self-transcendence. Maslow believed that freedom - freedom of expression, and living in a free and fair society - were preconditions for achieving the whole framework of needs he created.

But Maslow aside, I think you're completely wrong about this.

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[hotspur]

I disagree with pretty much every sentence of that.

But if you were minded to analyse the causes that get people to protest these days, you could analyse the major protests around the world in 2019 and ascertain the cause(s). I guess here would be a good start (scroll down to Geographical Distribution to see the major protests in the world last year and the cause):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_of_2019

[Guest]

Says a lot about the calibre of people involved in horseracing that they are trying to push ahead with Cheltenham

[Denny Crane]

Just to point out that we have a highly aggressive and malign (in all senses) actor on our Eastern flank.


so, yeah, let's scrap all military spending...

You're hardly talking about Trump? The least aggressive least interventionist president for the last 30 years?

[TheJiggaman]

What'd be the best type of chart/graph to put the below data into?

It's a Henderson = Important & Fabinho = Hindrance type thing.

Cheers

ALL Liverpool matches this season (45 in total)

Liverpool with Henderson:

Games: 33
Wins 28
Draws: 3
Losses: 2
Win%: 84.85
G P/G: 2.12
GA P/G: 0.73

Liverpool without Henderson:

Games: 12
Wins: 7
Draws: 2
Losses: 3
Win%: 58.33
G P/G: 1.92
GA P/G: 1.83

Liverpool with Fabinho:

Games: 28
Wins: 20
Draws: 4
Losses: 4
Win%: 71.43
G P/G: 2.04
GA P/G: 1.11

Liverpool without Fabinho:

Games: 17
Wins: 15
Draws: 1
Losses: 1
Win%: 88.23
G P/G: 2.12
GA P/G: 0.88

Liverpool without Fabinho and Henderson:

Games: 5
Wins: 3
Draws: 1
Losses: 1
Win%: 60
G P/G: 1.80
GA P/G: 2.00

Liverpool with Henderson and without Fabinho:

Games: 12
Wins: 12
Draws: 0
Losses: 0
Win%: 100
G P/G: 2.25
GA P/G: 0.42

[hotspur]

You're hardly talking about Trump? The least aggressive least interventionist president for the last 30 years?

RDIII is talking about ---> way.

[Mellor]

You're hardly talking about Trump? The least aggressive least interventionist president for the last 30 years?

Trump is in the opposite direction.

[Guest]

What'd be the best type of chart/graph to put the below data into?

It's a Henderson = Important & Fabinho = Hindrance type thing.

Cheers

Well as a starting point, you should pretty much never use a pie chart.

What I would do is download a free copy of Power BI and upload what I'm guessing is an excel workbook unless you're using SQL.

Create a matrix with the data, columns being those in bold, rows being all the appropriate stats.

Let that take up half the page and then play around with the different graphics on the other half to find something that is visually more appealing than a simple matrix.

[Solksjaer!]

Even Trump fans are paranoid on his behalf . Tis a sect

[TheJiggaman]

Well as a starting point, you should pretty much never use a pie chart.

What I would do is download a free copy of Power BI and upload what I'm guessing is an excel workbook unless you're using SQL.

Create a matrix with the data, columns being those in bold, rows being all the appropriate stats.

Let that take up half the page and then play around with the different graphics on the other half to find something that is visually more appealing than a simple matrix.

Have PowerBI here in work so I'll give that a go.

Didn't fancy Tableau for this.

I create it on a work product...






..and then export via CSV (unless I just manually want to create the graph/chart if it's easy data)

[Raoul Duke III]

Trump is in the opposite direction.

unless you go the whole way round

[Hectorjelly]

Trump is in the opposite direction.

He's in both directions. It's just faster one way!

[Denny Crane]

Was just making sure!