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Sick exit, very unlucky the way it played out.Turning millions into thousands -
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Thats just a collection of random numbers.Originally posted by Lazare View PostTurning millions into thousandsComment
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Pete's dropped, sorry RD.
There's a new mayor in town
It's probably bad for bernie apart from everything is good for bernie.Last edited by Tar.Aldarion; 02-03-20, 00:20.
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HeyOriginally posted by Theresa View Post
Dunno if you got sorted or not. I have a good few friends and contacts in the Killarney area if you need any help with this. Just shoot me a pm with dates required and how many people to be housed, and Ill make the necessary inquiries.
If sorted already, then have a ball.
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who report from china investigation:
Some information contained in this paper (taken from a post in reddit, I haven't cross checked with the who paper):
5% of people who are diagnosed with Covid require artificial respiration. Another 15% need to breathe in highly concentrated oxygen - and not just for a few days. The duration from the beginning of the disease until recovery is 3 to 6 weeks on average for these severe and critical patients (compared to only 2 weeks for the mildly ill). The mass and duration of the treatments overburdened the existing health care system in Wuhan many times over. The province of Hubei, whose capital is Wuhan, had 65,596 infected persons so far. A total of 40,000 employees were sent to Hubei from other provinces to help fight the epidemic. 45 hospitals in Wuhan are caring for Covid patients, 6 of which are for patients in critical condition and 39 are caring for seriously ill patients and for infected people over the age of 65. Two makeshift hospitals with 2,600 beds were built within a short time. 80% of the infected have mild disease, ten temporary hospitals were set up in gymnasiums and exhibition halls for those.
China can now produce 1.6 million test kits for the novel coronavirus per week. The test delivers a result on the same day. Across the country, anyone who goes to the doctor with a fever is screened for the virus: In Guangdong province, far from Wuhan, 320,000 people have been tested, and 0.14% of those were positive for the virus.
The vast majority of those infected sooner or later develop symptoms. Cases of people in whom the virus has been detected and who do not have symptoms at that time are rare - and most of them fall ill in the next few days.
The most common symptoms are fever (88%) and dry cough (68%). Exhaustion (38%), expectoration of mucus when coughing (33%), shortness of breath (18%), sore throat (14%), headaches (14%), muscle aches (14%), chills (11%) are also common. Less frequent are nausea and vomiting (5%), stuffy nose (5%) and diarrhoea (4%). Running nose is not a symptom of Covid.
An examination of 44,672 infected people in China showed a fatality rate of 3.4%. Fatality is strongly influenced by age, pre-existing conditions, gender, and especially the response of the health care system. All fatality figures reflect the state of affairs in China up to 17 February, and everything could be quite different in the future elsewhere.
Healthcare system: 20% of infected people in China needed hospital treatment for weeks. China has hospital beds to treat 0.4% of the population at the same time - other developed countries have between 0.1% and 1.3% and most of these beds are already occupied with people who have other diseases. The most important thing is firstly to aggressively contain the spread of the virus in order to keep the number of seriously ill Covid patients low and secondly to increase the number of beds (including material and personnel) until there is enough for the seriously ill. China also tested various treatment methods for the unknown disease and the most successful ones were implemented nationwide. Thanks to this response, the fatality rate in China is now lower than a month ago.
Pre-existing conditions: The fatality rate for those infected with pre-existing cardiovascular disease in China was 13.2%. It was 9.2% for those infected with high blood sugar levels (uncontrolled diabetes), 8.4% for high blood pressure, 8% for chronic respiratory diseases and 7.6% for cancer. Infected persons without a relevant previous illness died in 1.4% of cases.
Age: The younger you are, the less likely you are to be infected and the less likely you are to fall seriously ill if you do get infected:"China’s bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic. In the face of a previously unknown virus, China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history. China’s uncompromising and rigorous use of non-pharmaceutical measures to contain transmission of the COVID-19 virus in multiple settings provides vital lessons for the global response. This rather unique and unprecedented public health response in China reversed the escalating cases in both Hubei, where there has been widespread community transmission, and in the importation provinces, where family clusters appear to have driven the outbreak."
"Much of the global community is not yet ready, in mindset and materially, to implement the measures that have been employed to contain COVID-19 in China. These are the only measures that are currently proven to interrupt or minimize transmission chains in humans. Fundamental to these measures is extremely proactive surveillance to immediately detect cases, very rapid diagnosis and immediate case isolation, rigorous tracking and quarantine of close contacts, and an exceptionally high degree of population understanding and acceptance of these measures."
"COVID-19 is spreading with astonishing speed; COVID-19 outbreaks in any setting have very serious consequences; and there is now strong evidence that non-pharmaceutical interventions can reduce and even interrupt transmission. Concerningly, global and national preparedness planning is often ambivalent about such interventions. However, to reduce COVID-19 illness and death, near-term readiness planning must embrace the large-scale implementation of high-quality, non-pharmaceutical public health measures. These measures must fully incorporate immediate case detection and isolation, rigorous close contact tracing and monitoring/quarantine, and direct population/community engagement."People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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The preventative measures sound exactly like what the HSE are trying to do here.Originally posted by DeadParrot View Postwho report from china investigation:
Some information contained in this paper (taken from a post in reddit, I haven't cross checked with the who paper):
RTE interviewer getting over excited with the chief medical officer this morning bleating that the decision not to name the school was 'driving people to social media' was slapped down with 'Anyone who can go on social media can also go to HSE.ie'
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People are overeactionary (of course that's a word) idiots at the best of times. This isn't nothing for sure, but keeping kids or yourselves at home for a few days won't make any difference. It's not like this will blow over in a week or two. The world still carries on.Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostThe preventative measures sound exactly like what the HSE are trying to do here.
RTE interviewer getting over excited with the chief medical officer this morning bleating that the decision not to name the school was 'driving people to social media' was slapped down with 'Anyone who can go on social media can also go to HSE.ie'Comment
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My boss and his wife are very vigilant of developments so I'm hopeful that they'll reach the point that they're more comfortable with us out of the office in the coming weeks.Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
I envisage a few weeks ofplaying golfworking from home quite alot.Comment
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A couple of cases and a school closed and about 20k from Cheltenham
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It sounds absurd but that is more or less all there is to it but people are in the main filthy animals and need to have it spelled out to them over and over.Originally posted by Tar.Aldarion View PostGreat prep from hse
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Now go open the inward door touched by everyone who hasn't washed their handsOriginally posted by Tar.Aldarion View PostComment
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Originally posted by Denny Crane View PostHis rival it seems, had broken his dreams,By stealing the girl of his fancy.Her name was Magill, and she called herself Lil,But everyone knew her as Nancy.Comment
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Agree with people overreacting, but don't agree with the rest.Originally posted by 6starpool View Post
We're not at panic stations yet, but any preventative measure that is taken will definitely make a difference to you.
For me: Walk instead of using public transport. Few drinks at home instead of in the pub. Skip the casino poker action. Swerve any big public gatherings etc
My youngest's class has ~16 different nationailites, a lot of whom travel back regularly to their own countries, or whose parents do. Italy would be at the top of this list. There's probably a lot more panic when a group of 10 year olds discuss the virus, than when adults do!
We're not at the stage of pulling her out of school, but if they decided to close for a couple of weeks, i wouldn't have any issues with it. Half tempted not to even go to this parent teacher meeting that they have on Thursday
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This could be a great time for a couple of weeks self isolation with the new Hilary Mantel novel for company.
900 pages of tudor court intrigue incoming.Turning millions into thousandsComment
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It's a bit absurd because they are sending it around government agencies that don't even have soap in their bathrooms, let alone wanking their thumbs off.Comment
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A week out from Cheltenham and we're nearing 1k in the pool.
Go here to enter - guaranteed* Coronavirus-free environment.
*not guaranteed"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."Comment
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Originally posted by 6starpool View PostYour stance seems to be softening somewhat on whether this will blow over or notOriginally posted by 6starpool View Post
The bolded bit in the second post is just nonsense though. Keeping people at home in China is the only thing has has prevented this from already being rampant right across the globe.
The way they were able to close down an entire country of over 1 billion people for over a week was equally terrifying as it was amazing.
Everything that has come out about stopping the spread on the virus states that the most effective method is non pharma/non medical, i.e. isolate the people effected so they can't spead.
This will be the case until a vaccince has been found in approx 12 months time unless you live in Hitch's version of the space-time continuum where the cure has already been found
(Sorry Hitch - couldn't resist!)
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Did our first apocashop yesterday, well the missus did while I looked after the dependents.
Every fucking single thing has a limited shelf life, apart from a few cup a soups.People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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Hold on there has only been 3,000 deaths? and like 80,000 infected, is that not pretty fantastic odds considering there's about 1.4 billion in China alone. Thought the numbers were way higher.
Will monitor for a while before giving a shiteairport, lolComment
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Was msg not proven harmless a couple of years back?Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Postairport, lolComment
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MSG is completely fine for you. Even lying and telling people that they are having MSG can make them feel ill. Ah, people.Originally posted by eamonhonda View PostComment
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Brother is a carpenter so he went to buy some dust masks for work as per usual in the hardware store over the weekend and the guy in turn laughed at him.Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
Sold out for over a week.Comment
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I have enough whiskey in the house to safely see out the year.Originally posted by Dice75 View Post
Several bottles of garbage and quite a lot of "on her wedding" whiskeyPeople say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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On a hot streak golfing punting wise . My 150 to 1 bet folded but I still made a killing. Now Adam Scott in the players should bring me down to earth .Comment
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I'd assume straight vodka would do the trick. I'm mixing up my own 50% isopropanol solution, though I suppose most people don't keep a supply of isopropanol routinely.Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostGone full 'Glinner' since June 2022.Comment
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This guys stuff always gets me
Profit before people.Comment
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Ehhh, it doesn’t to be fair. The Chief medical officer this morning noted that we had finite isolation availability and once the disease starts community spread continuing to track all those affected was pointless. China have continued actively fighting this long after the genie was out of the bottle and are praised in the report for doing so.Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostThe preventative measures sound exactly like what the HSE are trying to do here.
RTE interviewer getting over excited with the chief medical officer this morning bleating that the decision not to name the school was 'driving people to social media' was slapped down with 'Anyone who can go on social media can also go to HSE.ie'
The EU is not even floating the type of aggressive response required to save lives on this one. Are we willing to bear the economic cost? That’s the question. China decided it was and fair fucking play to them for it (of course lower hygiene standards and regulations around live animals / slaughtering exposed the populace to it in the first place, and they can be criticised for that)."Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard KeynesComment
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I think it's relatively early days to determine how China have handled the situation.Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View Post
They have a very sketchy recent history in the augmentation of stats even for coronavirus:https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...o-coronavirus/ and their track record on human rights is very questionable ie see everything Xinjiang.
WHO have accepted their changes but healthcare professionals within China have raised the alarm.
Also, I've read recently that their efforts to contain the virus have let a lot to be desired in certain locations. I'm not sure they've handled it badly but I'd be slow to see China as a shining example in how best to respond.Comment
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So you didn’t read the latest WHO report or won’t read it?Originally posted by Murdrum View Post"Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally." - John Maynard KeynesComment
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No idea why you're saying the above tbh, nothing I said would lead someone to believe I wouldn't read a report from WHO.Originally posted by LuckyLloyd View Post
FWIW, I read the Situation Report which WHO released yesterday and I saw nothing in it that praised China. To clarify that's not me saying that a recent WHO report didn't praise China's efforts.
I did say that WHO accepted China's change in statuses but I read elsewhere that there are questionable reports from healthcare professionals within China.
I would simply be vigilant of believing reports stemming from China given how nascent the situation is and in light of their recent history of human rights violations.
I think it will simply take more time to get a clear picture.Comment
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I'm no fan of China and I don't believe their figures. I think they are higher for both infections and deaths. There is no way to prove that, it's just based on my experience of dealing with them for almost 20 years.
That said, I think they have done an exceptional job in containing the virus. It was never going to be fully contained, that was simply impossible but they have largely confined it to Hubei province within China so far.
Even if you double the official number of infections, you'd be talking around the 160K mark and with a population of around 60 million in Hubei province, that's a very a small number (approx a quarter of 1 percent) to be infected.
The thing people don't seem to realise is that the measures taken to do this were absolutely off the chart. They literally closed own an entire country of over 1 billion people - complete and utter standstil - it's phenomenal.
I don't think any other country is capable of doing this and from what we are seeing so far in South Korea, Europe (northern Italy excepted where there is some lockdown) Iran and USA, they are not even tryng to do so.
Hopefully, the small numbers here will remain that way but Italy is growing fairly rapidily over a very short space of time and for me, once this is out there, it's very hard to contain it unless we go on full lockdown.Comment
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Excellent read related to Chinese ascension/US demise, spheres of influence to sphere of influence and back again: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...eres-influenceOriginally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostComment
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It's more likely they implode because they keep on taking on so much debt.Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
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where Life is cheap it's easy to manipulate the masses assembly line style like little chicks for the local pallets.Comment
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Was buying pasta in Tesco and shelves fairly empty, called the manager as I know her well so asked were people panic buying.
100% she said by the trolly load. She said Michelle if I catch that or any of the staff, we have to close Tesco for 2 weeks.
It was the first time I actually got worried about it all. Up to that point I didn't give a flying fuck.
I'd say there's enough food here to keep us all going for a week 10 days max.
Although I'm more worried about my holidays being cancelled.Her sky-ness
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A lengthy food shortage where people would be forced to potentially ration and fast would be the only health related upside to this fiasco, might have a bit of positive affect on obesity/diabetes crisis which tbh is far more harmful/threatening to a much larger % of people and world economy than Coronavirus ever will.Profit before people.Comment
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Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View PostThis is where we differ in opinion. What they have achieved isn't because everybody went, 'OK, this is the right thing to do, let's get it done'.Originally posted by Hitchhiker's Guide To... View Post
They've been able to contain the virus through coercion, intimidation and downright brutality when faced with any opposition, it's for the greater global good but the methods are bad.
I'd also disagree on the figures, they are still very much fudged. On the quality side of things, they have made a lot of progress, especially in the medical/pharma space but they still produce a massive amount of shite.
I can't see it happening in my lifetime and I hope to get another 40-50 years before I pop my clogs. I just don't think it's that likely.Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostComment
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Shite. Conference at the end of the month in Stanford 'postponed'. Seems a bit rash. All travel non-refundable. We were tacking on a holiday afterwards so I guess we'll just go and try to arrange a few meetings at Stanford? Meh.Comment
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Iran will be interesting to watch over the next few weeks, there is a lot of speculation and some evidence that they may be under reporting massively and be closer to out of control community transmission than elsewhere.Turning millions into thousandsComment
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It's in bloody DCU now! Someone carted out of residences by ambulance guys in hazmat gear. Bollocks.Comment
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In Brazil the last couple of weeks and flying home Friday through Schipol. Is there much chance of airport or travel high jinks at the moment?
Two of my mates came back from Venice over the weekend. Their respective employers told them in advance to work from home for the next two weeks.Comment
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