Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - It's the end of the world as we know it

[Murdrum]

Genuinely wish property shows etc would be banned.
pure shite that cause nothing but trouble for people who live in the real world.
populated by absolute arses who are always able to pull out the extra tens of thousands the architects et Al conspire to conjure up during the show.

Dermot Bannon’s was a complete joke for a couple of years going up to 2x the apparent original budget quite often.
TBF, they appear to have taken some of that feedback onboard and at least they’re more transparent on the budget.
Almost 200k for a <400sqft extension this year did seem pretty insane though.

Home of the year isn’t too bad in that regard, the multi-million euro mansions often make finals but don’t necessarily win.
You can AirBnB one of my favs from it and the year that featured the winner was a pretty unique converted carriage house.

[Degag]

See a story where a school principal in Florida was ‘forced out’ for showing children pictures of Michelangelo’s David. Parents describing it as pornographic.

Some of them are probably pro-gun and have no problem with kids being shot in schools.

what a fucked up country

[6starpool]

See a story where a school principal in Florida was ‘forced out’ for showing children pictures of Michelangelo’s David. Parents describing it as pornographic.

Some of them are probably pro-gun and have no problem with kids being shot in schools.

what a fucked up country

Much as I think the pro-gun lobby in the states are largely idiots, I don't think anyone them would say they have no problem with kids being shot in schools. They likely think more guns are the answer, but that's a different thing. They are mental in many ways, no need to make something up to make them sound more mental.

[elbows]

See a story where a school principal in Florida was ‘forced out’ for showing children pictures of Michelangelo’s David. Parents describing it as pornographic.

Some of them are probably pro-gun and have no problem with kids being shot in schools.

what a fucked up country

https://youtu.be/LEKMIEmz4jA

[Mellor]

Much as I think the pro-gun lobby in the states are largely idiots, I don't think anyone them would say they have no problem with kids being shot in schools. They likely think more guns are the answer, but that's a different thing. They are mental in many ways, no need to make something up to make them sound more mental.

I think that accurate sums up the approach to contrary views only. Reducing it to some ridiculous strawman is easy that making a logic argument or even trying to understand their position. I can’t imagine even the staunchest progun advocate being ok with children being murdered.

The gun control issue is a product of america’s insane history, impractical size, crime rate and legal system. There’s no shirt term solution imo.

[Solksjaer!]

Surely assault rifles are not justifiable

[Degag]

Much as I think the pro-gun lobby in the states are largely idiots, I don't think anyone them would say they have no problem with kids being shot in schools. They likely think more guns are the answer, but that's a different thing. They are mental in many ways, no need to make something up to make them sound more mental.

I’d argue that by not doing anything with gun laws, aggressively defending their right to bear arms yada yada while seeing countless mass murders in schools, they are certainly paying little or no heed to it.

That’s akin to having no problem with it in my book.

making things up

[Ed]

Had a chat with a former US military weapons instructor recently. His take is that generally most gun owners would have little to no issue with some degree of improved regulation and increased licensing/gun-safety requirement. The issue is that the horse has already bolted for the most part in terms of being able to ban certain weapons and the sheer volume of money going to politicians from the arms industry via the NRA means that any hint of change immediately escalates into screeching from the recipients of that money.

His broader insights were interesting in terms of generally how terrible people are about personal gun safety and he actively avoids going to ranges in favour of shooting outdoors

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

I think the approach is for Europe to stop even covering the news of these shootings. The country has made a political decision that means kids will be regularly shot in schools. Its not news, its a predictable outcome of too many guns and too little medical support for people with mental health problems. Given most Americans support gun 'rights', then presumably most parents whose kids are shot also support these rights that inevitably lead to these outcomes. leopardeatingfaceparty.gif Its a fucking shit awful situation but it will never stop. Thats just what that country has decided to be.

[Raoul Duke III]

Even if they made all private gun ownership illegal tomorrow, it would make fuck all difference. The country is already awash with weaponry and ammunition.

[Raoul Duke III]

I think the approach is for Europe to stop even covering the news of these shootings. The country has made a political decision that means kids will be regularly shot in schools. Its not news, its a predictable outcome of too many guns and too little medical support for people with mental health problems. Given most Americans support gun 'rights', then presumably most parents whose kids are shot also support these rights that inevitably lead to these outcomes. leopardeatingfaceparty.gif Its a fucking shit awful situation but it will never stop. Thats just what that country has decided to be.

You might as well stop covering extreme climate events too under that logic.

[Raoul Duke III]

Surely assault rifles are not justifiable

Unless the government is out to get ya.

[Solksjaer!]

I know there are billions of ammo in ciculation.

Let them have their array of destructive child killing weapons but sanction the bullets. To start things off - A decent strong Government will simply say ALL assault weapons are illegal to buy. Keep what you have I guess or redeem for cash . However ZERO bullets will be sold for these weapons unless signed off by the local Sherriff Rosco etc. Let them keep their hunting guns and hand guns. Easier to take down a depressed crazed teenager In possession of a hand gun than those crowd killers. It would be a start and would surely save ‘some’ lives.

[Goodluck2me]

[6starpool]

Had a chat with a former US military weapons instructor recently. His take is that generally most gun owners would have little to no issue with some degree of improved regulation and increased licensing/gun-safety requirement. The issue is that the horse has already bolted for the most part in terms of being able to ban certain weapons and the sheer volume of money going to politicians from the arms industry via the NRA means that any hint of change immediately escalates into screeching from the recipients of that money.

His broader insights were interesting in terms of generally how terrible people are about personal gun safety and he actively avoids going to ranges in favour of shooting outdoors

I occasionally wonder if there is any single event that could happen in the states that would drive them to change or remove that silly second amendment, and I'm fairly sure there isn't. Same applies to them agreeing broadly to bring in fairly basic things like checks before guns are sold, bans of ridiculous assault weapons. There is basically nothing, barring a huge democrat majority in both houses and a dem president (I mean 2/3 majority huge) that would change that, and even then, when it swung back, the reps would undo most of that anyhow, or the right wing supreme court would.

[Solksjaer!]

Just imagine the same kind of gun ownership in Ireland. The death rate would be off the charts. Imagine the carnage at an under 12s GAA Match. The refs would be murdered like the heads of the 5 families.The Quiet Man - Here’s a big gun to blow the head of the good lady sir. The Kinehans would be downgraded to mere scalywags or taken out by the odd irate pensioner fed up with delays caused by the latest homicide outside the post office on a Friday morn.
School bullies would appear in Alphabetical order in the Deaths Notice in the Paper. As for life poker, leave your guns in reception gentlemen. Conor Mcgregors whiskey can be freely turned down when offered. I guess in a way those Americans aren’t so bad statistically

[Goodluck2me]

[Hectorjelly]

This is good,

there's also a much more technical interview here, with AI's chief scientist - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf1o0TQzry8

It's an interesting interview, but it was also intriguing to see the very different interview styles given Murdrum's criticism of Lex; there's no explanation for the listener, few follow-up questions, and no rambling monologues.

[dinekes]

Another muppet on e bike on narrow path.
is it just me being a curmudgeon or does anyone else get that "I'd love to clothesline the twat" feeling.
This guy had his girlfriend draped across the crossbar awkwardly with her legs out taking up even more space and going at a good clip.
Not one fuck given, laughing away, he was bouncing the bike to amuse her or something. Not in a skanger type way just young and clueless but irritating none the less.

[Opr]

This is good,

there's also a much more technical interview here, with AI's chief scientist - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf1o0TQzry8

It's an interesting interview, but it was also intriguing to see the very different interview styles given Murdrum's criticism of Lex; there's no explanation for the listener, few follow-up questions, and no rambling monologues.

I don't like that the stock answer to the really difficult problems is becoming, AI will figure it out. Sam has used the same line a couple of times when asked about the alignment problem. Oh the AI when it gets smarter will figure it out. In this interview when Ilya outlines the mass amount of job losses that are likely coming, he says the AI will figure out new stuff that we can be at besides working

Another guy from Open AI has been tweeting loads today about how he expects human levels of competency within two years.

[Solksjaer!]

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

You might as well stop covering extreme climate events too under that logic.

Thats a woeful example. Public habits have changed dramatically as a result of increased news coverage about climate risks.

[Strewelpeter]

That is some grade A pisspoor gotcha shite from OTB at Kellie Harrington for doing a thoughtcrime . The kind of shite that the extremists feed off.

[Raoul Duke III]

So, if you had a spare 16 y/o knocking around for the summer. One with no skills or work experience.

Where would you send such a creature to get gainful employment (and, more importantly, get them the fuck out of the house)?

Supermarkets?

[Degag]

So, if you had a spare 16 y/o knocking around for the summer. One with no skills or work experience.

Where would you send such a creature to get gainful employment (and, more importantly, get them the fuck out of the house)?

Supermarkets?

Hospitality - barwork in particular if they take them that young. They can take it anywhere with them.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

That is some grade A pisspoor gotcha shite from OTB at Kellie Harrington for doing a thoughtcrime . The kind of shite that the extremists feed off.

"ah yeah, I've already apologised for that. I reacted emotionally to the story of that poor girl being hurt and didn't look into what was driving the story. I'm now a bit more careful at things I read and its a lesson learned. But - here - this is a sports show and I need to talk about my upcoming fight"

or what she did instead??? I suspect the PR person in the background had given her woeful advice, rather than it was her idea.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Hospitality - barwork in particular if they take them that young. They can take it anywhere with them.

collecting glasses type of thing - unlimited jobs in that. A nice enough place, local, so he (?) is less likely to have to deal with gobshites. Plus then you'll have your excuse to go around for regular beers to keep an eye out.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

Or there's also a vacancy batting away the paramours from the new improved satnav.

[elbows]

So, if you had a spare 16 y/o knocking around for the summer. One with no skills or work experience.

Where would you send such a creature to get gainful employment (and, more importantly, get them the fuck out of the house)?

Supermarkets?

Send her to the potato room down the road

[elbows]

Off to Marbella for 3 days golf on Thursday. Getting to play Finca Cortisin which is hosting the Solheim this year. Also Las Brisas and Aloha. Weather looks mint

[Raoul Duke III]

Send her to the potato room down the road

winner. With the added advantage of family rates on the scampi.

[Raoul Duke III]

collecting glasses type of thing - unlimited jobs in that. A nice enough place, local, so he (?) is less likely to have to deal with gobshites. Plus then you'll have your excuse to go around for regular beers to keep an eye out.

She. You met them! Girl\Boy\Girl.

Or as I occasionally taxonomically classify them: Big, Medium and Small. (except Medium is now as tall as me, aged 14 )

[Raoul Duke III]

Or there's also a vacancy batting away the paramours from the new improved satnav.

Only for 7-12 years though

[ComradeCollie]

So, if you had a spare 16 y/o knocking around for the summer. One with no skills or work experience.

Where would you send such a creature to get gainful employment (and, more importantly, get them the fuck out of the house)?

Supermarkets?

Spent a few hours today with a bunch of teenagers on 'transition year work experience'. Somewhat disturbed that there wasn't some background check on me, and everyone else in the shop tbh.

[MysteryGuest]

Thats a woeful example. Public habits have changed dramatically as a result of increased news coverage about climate risks.

[hotspur]

So, if you had a spare 16 y/o knocking around for the summer. One with no skills or work experience.

Where would you send such a creature to get gainful employment (and, more importantly, get them the fuck out of the house)?

Supermarkets?

The girl in her year in Mount Temple I mentioned did a couple of weeks this month in a cafe in Clontarf as one of her things and they offered her a summer job there which she accepted.

[Theresa]

That is some grade A pisspoor gotcha shite from OTB at Kellie Harrington for doing a thoughtcrime . The kind of shite that the extremists feed off.

Will ya stop. Perfectly reasonable line of questioning given her post, her position and the reason she was on.

[Theresa]

Off to Marbella for 3 days golf on Thursday. Getting to play Finca Cortisin which is hosting the Solheim this year. Also Las Brisas and Aloha. Weather looks mint

Very jealous.

Snowed here again yest. overnight temps well below freezing. Big delay to golf season. depressed.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

She. You met them! Girl\Boy\Girl.

Or as I occasionally taxonomically classify them: Big, Medium and Small. (except Medium is now as tall as me, aged 14 )

In my defence, you did during the year talk about the eldest doing work experience for her transition year, so I assumed the workshy one must be the boy.

[coillcam]

Off to Marbella for 3 days golf on Thursday. Getting to play Finca Cortisin which is hosting the Solheim this year. Also Las Brisas and Aloha. Weather looks mint

Enjoy the Golf. Was in Cádiz last week for my first trip abroad.

Had my first hole in one on Monday and shot 80 on Thursday to improve my PB by 3 (3 doubles included, inches from bird on 18). The resort was all inclusive and everything was excellent tbf. I doubt I'll ever have a golf holiday like that again!

Looking forward to competitive golf kicking off shortly and I'm on three club panels this year (won't play them all tbf).

[dobby]

So, if you had a spare 16 y/o knocking around for the summer. One with no skills or work experience.

Where would you send such a creature to get gainful employment (and, more importantly, get them the fuck out of the house)?

Supermarkets?

A hotel. 1 summers experience there, with the bonus of going again next summer if they don't absolutely hate it.

Accommodation, bar, restaurant, kitchen, reception, porter, general duties. Loads of departments.

So much work experience to be gained working in a hotel and will teach them what not to do from dealing with guests who are cunts.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

So. In the spirit of satnav, that oversharing is overcaring. Here's my suitably anonymised photos after starting to go to the gym: Feb 6th (beginning), Feb 27th (middle), and Mar 28th (now), from left to right. I feel the bulk of the work was done in February really. But then maybe the chest is a fair bit more developed after the March workouts. Still looks very middling, but at least that fucking belly is gone. Not sure the now pic is helped by me clearly using my very expensive new belt to hold up my obviously too loose jeans.

SPOILER

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Edit: pls don't use these photos for your grindr profiles

[dobby]

Elton John was deadly. 1st time I've ever seen a standing ovation for someone as they walk on stage. Just the 4 years after buying the tickets

[Hectorjelly]

Will ya stop. Perfectly reasonable line of questioning given her post, her position and the reason she was on.

I think it's an unfortunate situation; it should be expected that young people who have very limited life experience might have some crazy beliefs. Before social media, nobody would know or care.

[Hectorjelly]

I don't like that the stock answer to the really difficult problems is becoming, AI will figure it out. Sam has used the same line a couple of times when asked about the alignment problem. Oh the AI when it gets smarter will figure it out. In this interview when Ilya outlines the mass amount of job losses that are likely coming, he says the AI will figure out new stuff that we can be at besides working

Another guy from Open AI has been tweeting loads today about how he expects human levels of competency within two years.

I've used GPT4 quite a bit now for help with coding, its abilities are quite impressive and very helpful, but it gets confused easily and needs the user to have quite a lot of domain knowledge to work well, but in its current incarnation, it's just going to make people more productive. I would guess if the tech stayed stationary from here, it wouldn't revolutionise the world. There's no reason to think it will stay still though.
,
AI alignment is a very difficult problem; my intuition is that it's basically impossible without understanding more about the exact AI we are trying to align. Is it large language models or something else? Probably an unpopular opinion, but part of me thinks we just need to suck it up and see; if it's as dangerous as some people think, then there will be no way to contain it. There's zero per cent chance governments could ban AI research; you'd have to ban computers.

As for the job losses, I don't really think that's an issue for people making AI; it's an issue for society generally. The issue is too broad and important to be left to a narrow band of tech people.
Governments should make plans for all the likely scenarios and gauge public opinion.

On that note, nobody really knows what will happen. If someone told me in ten years, the effect of AI was relatively muted, and life went on as well with some boosts to productivity in a lot of areas, I'd believe them, but I'd also buy a future where almost all knowledge-based jobs are redundant in five years. I guess it comes down to whether LLMs continue improving with more data/compute.

[Theresa]

I think it's an unfortunate situation; it should be expected that young people who have very limited life experience might have some crazy beliefs. Before social media, nobody would know or care.

Fair point but all social media does is give a platform for this stuff to come out faster.

If back in the day Sonia O Sullivan held an opinion like Kellie did in a public setting she’d have been asked about it.

The fact she has the opinion is one issue. How she handled the question is another.

[Hitchhiker's Guide To...]

That's probably the best view hj

[Raoul Duke III]

So. In the spirit of satnav, that oversharing is overcaring. Here's my suitably anonymised photos after starting to go to the gym: Feb 6th (beginning), Feb 27th (middle), and Mar 28th (now), from left to right. I feel the bulk of the work was done in February really. But then maybe the chest is a fair bit more developed after the March workouts. Still looks very middling, but at least that fucking belly is gone. Not sure the now pic is helped by me clearly using my very expensive new belt to hold up my obviously too loose jeans.

SPOILER

7RQoJLgl.jpg

Edit: pls don't use these photos for your grindr profiles

You wear your watch on your right wrist? Confirmed weirdo.

[Raoul Duke III]

A hotel. 1 summers experience there, with the bonus of going again next summer if they don't absolutely hate it.

Accommodation, bar, restaurant, kitchen, reception, porter, general duties. Loads of departments.

So much work experience to be gained working in a hotel and will teach them what not to do from dealing with guests who are cunts.

Yeah, I'll get her out job shopping next week. Just needs a bit of a push. Like most middle class kids, she's probably had everything handed to her on a plate but the lure of having actually having some cash will overcome that.

Don't think bar work will fly with Mrs D3, given her professional background (she tends to see the risks in all these situations).

[dinekes]

You wear your watch on your right wrist? Confirmed weirdo.

That would be the mirror image!

Re job
Yes pub job would be good tips usually but late nights
Retail isn't bad either but they would be looking for her to work w/e probably or one day anyway.

If she has some industrious friends in her year or a year above get the old network going. Business owners will often go with the recommendation.

[Micknail]

So. In the spirit of satnav, that oversharing is overcaring. Here's my suitably anonymised photos after starting to go to the gym: Feb 6th (beginning), Feb 27th (middle), and Mar 28th (now), from left to right. I feel the bulk of the work was done in February really. But then maybe the chest is a fair bit more developed after the March workouts. Still looks very middling, but at least that fucking belly is gone. Not sure the now pic is helped by me clearly using my very expensive new belt to hold up my obviously too loose jeans.

SPOILER

7RQoJLgl.jpg

Edit: pls don't use these photos for your grindr profiles

Face is definitely more angular now.

[MysteryGuest]

So. In the spirit of satnav, that oversharing is overcaring. Here's my suitably anonymised photos after starting to go to the gym: Feb 6th (beginning), Feb 27th (middle), and Mar 28th (now), from left to right. I feel the bulk of the work was done in February really. But then maybe the chest is a fair bit more developed after the March workouts. Still looks very middling, but at least that fucking belly is gone. Not sure the now pic is helped by me clearly using my very expensive new belt to hold up my obviously too loose jeans.

SPOILER

7RQoJLgl.jpg

Edit: pls don't use these photos for your grindr profiles

3,1,2

[MysteryGuest]

The Kellie H stuff not a great reflection on her but she’s a soft target for off the ball - guarantee they’ve never asked an even vaguely hardball question of a rugby/gaa player - most of the ones I’ve heard are fairly nauseatingly chummy.

[Solksjaer!]

So. In the spirit of satnav, that oversharing is overcaring. Here's my suitably anonymised photos after starting to go to the gym: Feb 6th (beginning), Feb 27th (middle), and Mar 28th (now), from left to right. I feel the bulk of the work was done in February really. But then maybe the chest is a fair bit more developed after the March workouts. Still looks very middling, but at least that fucking belly is gone. Not sure the now pic is helped by me clearly using my very expensive new belt to hold up my obviously too loose jeans.

SPOILER

7RQoJLgl.jpg

Edit: pls don't use these photos for your grindr profiles

Gudjaysus

[Murdrum]

Yeah, I'll get her out job shopping next week. Just needs a bit of a push. Like most middle class kids, she's probably had everything handed to her on a plate but the lure of having actually having some cash will overcome that.

Don't think bar work will fly with Mrs D3, given her professional background (she tends to see the risks in all these situations).

Leisure centre perhaps? I did some work experience there and lots of friends have too. No particularly late nights and obviously you get to be pretty active.

Generally a pretty nice environment, plenty of opportunity to work with diverse groups. I got to do work with Kids camps, Boccia with the Special Olympics, work with at risk youths and adults.

Perhaps not the easiest job to come by but if it was something that was possible, it’s worth looking into.

[Degag]

Don't think bar work will fly with Mrs D3, given her professional background (she tends to see the risks in all these situations).

That’s fair enough. I can see her point.

Although, young people of that age will get their hands on alcohol somehow. And in my experience it’s probably better to be open about it (not saying you’re not). Better than them necking a bottle of vodka down in some field.

Some friends of mine (as is relatively common i’d guess) introduced their 15/16 y/o kids to half a glass of wine or a can of beer at home to try and normalise the often idealised idea kids have of alcohol. Which i think is generally a good idea, but i’ve seen it turn out bad too

[shrapnel]

So, if you had a spare 16 y/o knocking around for the summer. One with no skills or work experience.

Where would you send such a creature to get gainful employment (and, more importantly, get them the fuck out of the house)?

Supermarkets?

my youngest, 14, did a few weeks in a charity shop. also a friend's daughter worked at pizza express serving. at least you get extra tips and makes nice pocket money!

[Raoul Duke III]

That’s fair enough. I can see her point.

Although, young people of that age will get their hands on alcohol somehow. And in my experience it’s probably better to be open about it (not saying you’re not). Better than them necking a bottle of vodka down in some field.

Some friends of mine (as is relatively common i’d guess) introduced their 15/16 y/o kids to half a glass of wine or a can of beer at home to try and normalise the often idealised idea kids have of alcohol. Which i think is generally a good idea, but i’ve seen it turn out bad too

We usually offer her a glass of wine if it is being served with a meal - and she never takes us up on the offer. She (and her friends) seem pretty puritanical where both booze and drugs are concerned.
No doubt children 2 and 3 will make up for this character defect.

[shrapnel]

You wear your watch on your right wrist? Confirmed weirdo.

pretty standard if you're left handed. confirmed weirdo if he's right handed though!

[Degag]

pretty standard if you're left handed. confirmed weirdo if he's right handed though!

Don’t they say that left handed people are generally smarter than their counterparts?