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Old 22-01-18, 16:54   #1
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The Partypoker Fitzwilliam Poker Masters - Updated with Final Leaderboard


The 2018 Partypoker Fitz Poker Masters
is coming back bigger and better in 2018! Further information will be announced in due course but some of the Main Details include:
  • Change of Buy in to €375 (330+45) to make the event as accessible as possible.
  • New Online Sponsor with Partypoker providing all of the online support.
  • New Online Day 1 to allow for players from all over Ireland to compete in Day 1 action.
  • €50,000 Guarantee to get the ball rolling on the Prize Pool.
  • Change of start date date to the May Bank Holiday (May 4th – 7th). This will mean the Final Day is not on a work day for most players!
  • New League Based System for Poker Masters Qualifying starting from January 18th at the Fitz. 70 * €375 Tickets Guaranteed for Members as part of the qualifying league and 5 Wildcard Tickets from nightly tournament winners.
  • Partypoker will have Online Satellites with up to 30 players having the opportunity to qualify online through lower level buy ins and super satellites.
  • The Fitzwilliam will have a calendar of Club Satellites where up to 30 Players will get an opportunity to qualify through satellites varying from €30 – €50 buy-ins. This will give as many people as possible a chance to play in the event.

The 2018 Poker Masters will be a fantastic event and further details are available at http://fitzwilliamcardclub.com/en/po...-poker-masters
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Old 22-01-18, 17:05   #2
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13.6% rake is pretty extortionate considering you're hosting it at your own venue and you've partnered with one of the biggest online sites in the world.
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Old 23-01-18, 08:52   #3
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Hi Champ,

We feel its reasonable considering we provide a full complimentary meal for each participant each night, complimentary drinks for each participant per night, reg fees have to cover the cost of all staff operating at the event and the tournament itself has to be promoted/advertised which is costly in a competitive environment. Given the offering to participants we feel it is a very fair proposition. A 12% registration fee to cover all these costs couldn't be considered unreasonable as the average at large tournaments is around 10% and for the extra 2% players are getting complimentary food & drinks which would cost significantly more than €7.50 if players had to pay separately.

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Old 26-01-18, 12:37   #4
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Is this starting from 1st Jan 2018.
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Old 26-01-18, 12:47   #5
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Aceofspades,

If you mean qualifying for the Masters it started Jan 18th at the club. The Main Event is on May 4th - 8th.

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Old 26-01-18, 17:38   #6
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No!!
I mean when have you started the masters league from i.e €5 add-on and €2 from prize pool?
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Old 27-01-18, 09:21   #7
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No!!
I mean when have you started the masters league from i.e €5 add-on and €2 from prize pool?
I know it says 18th on post above but I think this maybe a typo , I'm sure these have been in operation since 1st Jan 2018.

I'm a regular player in Fitz and would like to find out more about "New League Based System for Poker Masters "

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Old 28-01-18, 09:52   #8
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1. League Qualifying System (similar to League of Champions) with points awarded for players entering cashing in TNTs (no blind PLO)
This is nothing like the League of Champions; the "Players" decided how the League Fund would be apportioned.
The league final fund was €6600.00 and 4 quarters at €2,500+, totalling €17,000+ which the players decided how it would be apportioned.


2. League runs from Thursday Jan-18 to Thursday May-03
Still waiting on a reply to this

3. The Fitz Guarantees 70 * €375 Tickets to Poker Masters Main Event from the League System
Not so the "Players in the Fitz" are actually offsetting any possibility of a big overlay.
(Let’s do the math) in 2017 league fund totalled €17,000 for a €1 deduction (not 100% if it was 1 or 2€).
1 Month = €1400 X this by 5(months new league runs) = €7,000 x 7 (New league contribution) = €49,000 (wow) divide by €375 (cost of ticket) = 130
I guess i could be wrong with the maths!! But you can see where I’m going with it.


4. Players at the Top of the League will Win Multiple Master Tickets
This was actually cited as part of the reason for new league, "The system reduces duplication of tickets which was an issue for members at the November Festival".
Players had an issue with paying the extra €10 not who won the tickets.


5. All Daily TNTs (except Saturday €25) increase by €5
Agree

6. There is a €7 Contribution from Each Player (€5 of the top and €2 from the prize pool)
I have no problem paying "Reg Fee" whatever the club does with this it's their money conversely "This contribution" is the player’s money and the only people who should decide where it goes is the players.

7. There will be 5 Wild Card Masters Qualifiers Drawn Randomly from all Daily TNT Winners
Giving the structure of the League only complete random people have a chance to win this, a fairer way may have been to draw them from winners of "Saturday €25"

I would like to point out I really like playing in the Fitz, the Dealers, TDs and staff are always friendly. I just think they got this one "Wrong".
I think both sides will suffer as a result of this change, players will play less resulting in less staff needed.


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Old 29-01-18, 09:59   #9
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Hi Myles,

All of the details for the Masters Qualifying along with the updated player leaderboard is on now on our Masters website page at http://fitzwilliamcardclub.com/en/po...-poker-masters. All of the info you need will be there and if you want to chat with the Poker Department about the specifics of the event further the next time you are in please do. As a regular player you would know communication is very open and the team are always available to speak with members.

I can answer your previous question that yes the league started on Jan 18th. It didn't start earlier on January 1st (Masters itself was launched at the start of the year alright). Every euro generated towards the league, separate to the set reg fee, goes back to the players in the form of event tickets. The concept is to reward regular players at the club, generate some new excitement around the tournament programme and have something additional for members to play for. With any changes there will be people who will like it and people who wont.

With this concept we put a lot of time into the concept to create a model that we felt would benefit both the club and the regular players. We feel we got the balance right and naturally you are fully entitled to your opinion on the new league as well. We appreciate your kind comments towards the club and the staff. Your regular visits and input are appreciated as well.

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Old 31-01-18, 11:34   #10
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OMG could you just take the time to answer the Q's Please.... YES I was a regular as you well know.
Giving the complete disregard for the players opinions, that is under review.
So giving that i won't be in the club in the near future, maybe you could answer the Q's raised and here are some more (I know I know).

Is the Champions League still running, if so is it the same format as last year?

The "€50,000 Guarantee to get the ball rolling on the Prize Pool" as per your link.
€26,250.00 is covering the 70 Ticket Guarantee , where is the remaining €23,750.00 being integrated into the Prize Pool ?


If the Masters Qualifying League generates more than 70 Tickets, How will extra tickets be allotted to players?

I don't think these are unreasonable Q's to ask....

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Old 31-01-18, 12:26   #11
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Hello Myles,

Happy to answer your questions below. Yes the league of Champions is still running as usual and yes its the same format as last year. All of the daily contributions to the Masters league goes to the total qualifying pool so thats where the qualifying prize pools are based on. Whatever the total number of players input will be the total they will get back in the form of Masters Tickets. On your last question yes there will likely be more qualifying tickets to than the 70 guaranteed and they will be allocated on the basis of 1 * 375 ticket per each player generated from the excess. In other words the greater the excess amount, the greater the number of tickets available. The excess tickets will be allocated 1 per member. Hopefully that comes across clear.

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OMG could you just take the time to answer the Q's Please.... YES I was a regular as you well know.
Giving the complete disregard for the players opinions, that is under review.
So giving that i won't be in the club in the near future, maybe you could answer the Q's raised and here are some more (I know I know).

Is the Champions League still running, if so is it the same format as last year?

The "€50,000 Guarantee to get the ball rolling on the Prize Pool" as per your link.
€26,250.00 is covering the 70 Ticket Guarantee , where is the remaining €23,750.00 being integrated into the Prize Pool ?


If the Masters Qualifying League generates more than 70 Tickets, How will extra tickets be allotted to players?

I don't think these are unreasonable Q's to ask....

Regards

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Old 31-01-18, 16:28   #12
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Hello Myles,

Happy to answer your questions below. Yes the league of Champions is still running as usual and yes its the same format as last year. All of the daily contributions to the Masters league goes to the total qualifying pool so thats where the qualifying prize pools are based on. Whatever the total number of players input will be the total they will get back in the form of Masters Tickets. On your last question yes there will likely be more qualifying tickets to than the 70 guaranteed and they will be allocated on the basis of 1 * 375 ticket per each player generated from the excess. In other words the greater the excess amount, the greater the number of tickets available. The excess tickets will be allocated 1 per member. Hopefully that comes across clear.
YES!!! perfectly clear, just one thing (I know I know) as far as I was concerned " Yes the league of Champions is still running as usual and yes its the same format as last year." was no longer the case and had been "Replaced" by the Masters and in my opinion was a kick in the %*&%# for the regular players. My misunderstanding was compounded by being told by a staff member that the league was "Replaced" , in hindsight they obviously misunderstood my Q's and it's not exactly clear in your posters or posts that both are running...

I agree with "The excess tickets will be allocated 1 per member".
Maybe one of the "spare 5" could be allocated to a playoff/tourney populated by players who won the Sat €25 game, most of the young players wouldn't normally have access to such a big tournament.

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Old 01-02-18, 09:26   #13
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Hi Myles,

Great that its clarified. As stated the LOC is definitely still running as always. Im not sure why you were told otherwise. The whole concept here is to add extra value for regular players and generate extra excitement not to take away existing leagues that members enjoy.

On your suggestion for the 25 euro Saturday players, this was considered but ultimately not adapted for a few reasons. There would be inevitable complaints from members if we gave 5 tickets to players from a tournament that didnt contribute to the overall qualifying fund! The question there from members would be why did they get priority when they didnt contribute over the other 7 tournaments that paid in? Also because of the low buy in on the €25 tournament it was decided that the extra contribution would too much on top of the buy in in involve that tournament. Also because there are two tournaments on Saturdays one is already part of of the qualifying league so no real need to involve the 25 event. For those reasons we decided to go with 5 nightly tournament winners who dont have tickets already as the wildcard ticket winners.

The new updated leaderboard should be posted on our website very soon.

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Old 01-02-18, 10:28   #14
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Yes... I know there would be flack over giving 5 tickets from the spare ones.
My suggestion was 1 of the 5 !!! But same senario would apply . Ce La Vie

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Why don't you make participating in these promotions voluntary
so that your players can decide for themselves
whether they wish to contribute/participate in the league?
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Why don't you make participating in these promotions voluntary
so that your players can decide for themselves
whether they wish to contribute/participate in the league?
Agree with this. I only get out for a game the odd time and I've ruled the Fitz out as an option due to the huge amount of money taken out of my entry fee for leagues etc I won't see the benefit of.
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Agree with this. I only get out for a game the odd time and I've ruled the Fitz out as an option due to the huge amount of money taken out of my entry fee for leagues etc I won't see the benefit of.
Same here I play EOM and get to donate to regs; give me a choice
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Old 08-02-18, 13:31   #18
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Fitz May Masters Qualifying Leaderboard as of 07 February 2018

Position Name Points Prize
1Andrea Cardaropoli3563 tickets
2Anthony Higgins3243 tickets
3David Wright3182 tickets
4William Mulrooney3062 tickets
5John Paul Towey3032 tickets
6Aliakbar Aghaeikhozani3002 tickets
7Paul John Stynes2872 tickets
8Stuart Samuels2622 tickets
9Val Mcmenemy2522 tickets
10Samantha2472 tickets
11Stephanel Perche2441 ticket
12Sebastian Ionas2381 ticket
13Vivion Padraigh Hayden2301 ticket
14Noel Murphy2271 ticket
15Harold Huberman2231 ticket
16William O'Neill2181 ticket
17River Joe2141 ticket
18Stephen Kavanagh2141 ticket
19Reginald Rowan2101 ticket
20Nicolae Lipcan2031 ticket
21Rachel Samuels2021 ticket
22Joe Ruddy2001 ticket
23Mr Forgetful1981 ticket
24Paschal Power1891 ticket
25Namaste1651 ticket
26Champion1561 ticket
27Robert Hogan1541 ticket
28Laszlo Lamos1541 ticket
29Stephen Courage1531 ticket
30Sam Thomas Baneham1521 ticket
31Patrick Gibson1441 ticket
32Markus Kornfeld1441 ticket
33Paul O'Reilly1401 ticket
34Nabin Thapa1311 ticket
35Shane Kennedy1291 ticket
36Conor O Keeffe1271 ticket
37David Boland1191 ticket
38Neeraj Chhantyal1171 ticket
39Willie Ohora1151 ticket
40John Howlett1151 ticket
41Chris O Connor1141 ticket
42Raphael Ravaz1141 ticket
43Jake Walsh1131 ticket
44Jason Byrne1121 ticket
45Tony1081 ticket
46Paul Hanna981 ticket
47Maheswar Eswa Tupsy981 ticket
48Sybil John961 ticket
49Gary Satelle941 ticket
50Sammy Almukhaizeem941 ticket
51Paul Lynam931 ticket
52Myles Garland921 ticket
53Christopher Mccarthy911 ticket
5 x WildcardsTBA 5 tickets
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Why don't you make participating in these promotions voluntary
so that your players can decide for themselves
whether they wish to contribute/participate in the league?
Any chance of a response to my question?
There seem to be others who support the idea.

It appears a little cynical to advertise a
guarantee on one event & then force
players in entirely different events to
participate in a promotion which effectively
removes any risk of the promoter facing
an overlay.

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Hi Deebrown,

To answer your post we wont be changing the system post launch. As addressed in a previous post we feel this is the best system to work towards and provides the best value all round for both regular players and the club. It also creates a larger prize pool for the event and rewards more members than a voluntary system would. It provides more people with an opportunity to win a main ticket as opposed to paying for one and involves players from all nights and buy in levels so is all inclusive. No matter what system is operated it wouldn't be universally accepted and everyone will have their individual views about what is best for them and their circumstances. First hand feedback in the club has been extremely positive regarding the new masters qualifying league but we do accept that some players may have a different perspective on the league.

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