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Old 13-02-18, 21:16   #25861
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Say what now?

You were around for the 60s beat revolution right? Summer of love and all that.

Gotta be some nice first pressings in there surely (Gold label Please Please Me perchance? the holy grail of Christy's Paddy on the Road maybe?)

I'm sure it's not all Saturday Night Fever, Bagatelle and Top of the Pops compilations.
I grew up in a record shop and have lots of leftovers that never sold but I'd say I've feck all of any great value, lots of interesting ish 70's and 80's stuff. probably a few Irish first pressings like the original stories for boys and lots from the much better bands they were copying like DC Nein and the likes - definitely no bagatelle or BeeGees but I think I might actually have a sixties totp orchestral covers LP. Anyway I'm so not into the vinyl fetish I havwill probably just keep a few of the ones with sentimental value.
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Old 13-02-18, 21:25   #25862
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Can I have the "Saturday Night Fever" if you're throwing it out ?
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Old 13-02-18, 21:58   #25863
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All the puritans pushing for increased alcohol prices and warning labels should read this article. It really is excellent on why AA and a lot of alcohol rehab programs administered by people who got their qualifications collecting tokens off crisp packets (which you are most likely to be directed to in this country also) are a load of BS and are inexplicably pushed over other non abstinence based methods with scientifically proven higher success rates
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...nymous/386255/


A meticulous analysis of treatments, published more than a decade ago in The Handbook of Alcoholism Treatment Approaches but still considered one of the most comprehensive comparisons, ranks AA 38th out of 48 method
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Old 13-02-18, 22:01   #25864
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That was an enjoyable read. Don’t believe a lot off the stuff from Facebook insiders about Zuck being burdened though,he’s an Android
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Old 13-02-18, 22:05   #25865
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All the puritans pushing for increased alcohol prices and warning labels should read this article. It really is excellent on why AA and a lot of alcohol rehab programs administered by people who got their qualifications collecting tokens off crisp packets (which you are most likely to be directed to in this country also) are a load of BS and are inexplicably pushed over other non abstinence based methods with scientifically proven higher success rates
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...nymous/386255/


A meticulous analysis of treatments, published more than a decade ago in The Handbook of Alcoholism Treatment Approaches but still considered one of the most comprehensive comparisons, ranks AA 38th out of 48 method
What has any of that got to do with minimum unit pricing?
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Old 13-02-18, 22:33   #25866
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What has any of that got to do with minimum unit pricing?
It all comes from the same place, AA advocates have a lot of sway on anti alcohol policy in Ireland. There is also the same aversion to using medication, this feeling people should suffer
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Old 13-02-18, 22:35   #25867
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Marc Macsharry is not the full shilling. Sat next to Danny Healy Rae on Matt cooper TV3, now,producers obv hoping for more sparks
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Old 13-02-18, 22:47   #25869
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It all comes from the same place,
You couldn't be more wrong, minimum unit pricing is coming from medical professionals and is based on sound rational research.
It's possible it won't work as well as the theory but if it has a small part of the effect they are hoping for it will be well worthwhile. Stop moaning and making completely wrong headed assumptions about the motivations behind it , relax and give it a chance to work, it's not going to affect you in the least bit.
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Old 13-02-18, 22:57   #25870
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You couldn't be more wrong, minimum unit pricing is coming from medical professionals and is based on sound rational research.
It's possible it won't work as well as the theory but if it has a small part of the effect they are hoping for it will be well worthwhile. Stop moaning and making completely wrong headed assumptions about the motivations behind it , relax and give it a chance to work, it's not going to affect you in the least bit.
Who is it targeting though? Alcos are gonna alco,esp if abstinence based puritanical nonsense like AA is pushed as the alternative.Alcohol consumption is dropping organically anyway (personal I think some of this is due to technology and the death of boredom) .true this round won’t affect me but what’s gonna be next? Some of these lads would love to give prohibition another crack
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Quorn ads really capture the blandness and grimness of the product being advertised.kudos to the agency involved

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Old 13-02-18, 23:01   #25872
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Quorum ads really capture the blandness and grimness of the product being advertised.kudos to the agency involved
Quorn ads make me want to punch Jamie Oliver and I'm pretty sure he doesn't advertise them?
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Old 13-02-18, 23:06   #25873
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Quorn ads really capture the blandness and grimness of the product being advertised.kudos to the agency involved
The sausage pattys are luvverly in boxty with bacon lettuce and tomato. Seems wrong obv with bacon but they like half a syn on sw
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4 March will be a big day in Europe. Outcome of the German coalition vote and the Italian general election.
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Old 14-02-18, 07:04   #25875
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Bitcoin question

Any of you folks that dabble in Bitcoin ever sign up with Kraken?

Having issues with creating an account if anyone has used them.

https://www.kraken.com/en-gb/signup

Edit: Issues with the internet causing a problem. Got it sorted anyway!

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Old 14-02-18, 08:09   #25876
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You couldn't be more wrong, minimum unit pricing is coming from medical professionals and is based on sound rational research.
It's possible it won't work as well as the theory but if it has a small part of the effect they are hoping for it will be well worthwhile. Stop moaning and making completely wrong headed assumptions about the motivations behind it , relax and give it a chance to work, it's not going to affect you in the least bit.
Appeal to authority (and an authority in the wrong subject, nobody doubts that reducing alcohol consumption will be beneficial - HOW that reduction comes about is not part of the medical practices' research)

Appeal to irrational belief and diminishing of rational critique.

You are getting very very Trumpy these days. You may have different goals, but you're using his formation and tactics.
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You couldn't be more wrong, minimum unit pricing is coming from medical professionals and is based on sound rational research.
It's possible it won't work as well as the theory but if it has a small part of the effect they are hoping for it will be well worthwhile. Stop moaning and making completely wrong headed assumptions about the motivations behind it , relax and give it a chance to work, it's not going to affect you in the least bit.
Vintners and supermarkets are the main lobbyists
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Old 14-02-18, 09:13   #25878
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Appeal to authority (and an authority in the wrong subject, nobody doubts that reducing alcohol consumption will be beneficial - HOW that reduction comes about is not part of the medical practices' research)
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Rosanna O’Connor, director of alcohol, drugs and tobacco at Public Health England (PHE) said: “Around 4.4% of the population are drinking just under a third of the alcohol consumed in this country. That’s around 2 million drinking just over 30% of the alcohol.”

A three-litre bottle of cider containing 22.5 units of alcohol can be bought for as little as £3.60. If the 50p minimum unit price were to be introduced, the costs would jump to £11.

O’Connor said: “The result would be a significant impact on a small group of people. That’s why it’s such a targeted policy for such great health gains.”
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Prof Nick Sheron of the University of Southampton, who also runs the liver unit at Southampton general hospital.

He said: “My patients with alcohol-related cirrhosis, their average consumption is 120 units a week. That’s the median, the mean is higher – it’s 150.

“A typical Frosty Jack’s drinker would be drinking about 16 litres a week and they would be paying about £20 for it – now that would go up three-fold, they’d be paying about £70 for it.”
I understand that the extreme Libertarians would much rather these people just went ahead and killed themselves quickly and got out of their faces, anything to avoid having to look poverty and desperation in the eye. This is an attempt at implementing a targeted health measure that has a very good chance of succeeding and your arguments against it are a mixture of ideological bluster and downright nonsense.
Lots of research and some experiments have been done, it has yet to be trialled on the scale that it will be in the UK. The Alcohol industry are not the ones driving this measure but they are onboard with it, sure its an easy way for them to claim corporate responsibility that deflects from more sinister practices like marketing to children.
Come back to me after its been running a few years and if it is a failure then so be it we can try something else but sitting back and doing nothing is criminal neglect.
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Increase excise duty so that you get the minimum pricing anyway with the added advantage of increased revenue to the state at all price points.

Yes, I know we've made this point many many times.
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