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Old 30-01-18, 11:36   #1
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Tuesday Night Poker @ The Fitz - €60 Double Chance Tournament @ 8pm

Hi All,

For all midweek poker enthusiast's we have a €60 Double Chance Tournament Tonight at 8pm. Usually 50-70 players and a nice prize pool generated.

1. Who is running the event (organisation, society etc) - Fitzwilliam Casino
2. The purpose of the event (charity, commercial etc) - Commercial
3. Date - Every Tuesday
4. Location - Fitzwilliam St Lower D2
5. Any guaranteed prize pool - No
6. Registration and Start time of event - Tournament starts 8pm sharp. Reg from 7.30pm
7. Any prerequisites (member of club, society etc) - Players must be a member of the club. Free to join
8. How can tickets be purchased & is there a maximum number (in advance, at the door etc) - At the cash desk or online. 108 Maximum
9. Type of Tournament (Hold'em/Omaha etc Freezeout/Rebuy etc) - Hold Em Freezeout
10. Cost of entry - €60
11. How much of the entry fee is made up of registration fee - €7
12. If a rebuy, cost of rebuys/top-up - No
13. How many and what duration are rebuys available - n/a
14. How long is late reg, and will you start with a full stack? Registration up until the start of level 6, which will be around 9.35. You get a full stack.
15. % of entry fee/rebuys/top-up going into prize fund - 75%
16. How many places being paid - Depends on numbers. Usually 10%
17. Is any money from the prize fund held back for future tournaments, if so, how much - Yes. €7 poker masters qualifying league and €1 League of Champions
18. Any tickets for future events given out as prizes. - No
19. Any additional prizes given out (merchandise etc) - No
20. Starting chips - 7k plus 7k double chance
21. Rebuy and top-up chip amounts - n/a
22. Blind levels - Posted on website
23. Blind timeframes - 15 minutes until the break, 20 mins after.
24. Are there going to be dealers and their level of skill - Professional dealers.
25. Will there be a documented list of rules - Yes.
26. Is there a tournament director - Yes.
27. How are disputes handled; who has final say - TD has final say.
28. Are there any cash games offered, if so, please outline the rake for each limit offered - 1/2 games are raked at €10.50 per person per hour. 2/5 is raked at €15 per person per hour.
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Old 30-01-18, 16:08   #2
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Hi Guys
I see the tournament tonight has been changed to a double chance .I see under section 15 that €1 is being deducted and put into the League of Champions and that in section 17 that a further €7 will be deducted for the festival .

I would be grateful if you could clarify what is going on with the members contributions as there now appears to be deductions for two leagues .

Transparency should be of paramount importance in a casino in relation to members funds and to continued trust and confidence in the Club.

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Old 31-01-18, 09:49   #3
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Hello,

The Tuesday tournament has always been double chance so no change there. We currently have two leagues running in tandem as per the details. The League of Champions and the Masters Qualifying League. All of the details listed in the charter are clear and transparent as stated. Further breakdowns and all details available for the poker tournaments can be found on our website at www.fitzwilliamcardclub.com

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Old 31-01-18, 20:24   #4
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Hi Guys
Thanks for your response, you are correct, what I ment to say was that the tournament had been changed to a rebuy as per section 12 of your charter.The charter is a bit confusing as it states in section 9 that it is a Hold Em Freezeout !
Perhaps for clarity for the members a leader board could be posted on your site on a monthly basis showing the leaders and the current monthly balance of funds collected from the members for each tournaments.

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Old 01-02-18, 10:05   #5
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Hey Duke,

You are indeed correct. That was an error in drafting the charter. There are no rebuys as per section 12 and is a freezeout. The leaderboards are posted on our website weekly so that every player can see their standing in the LOC and the Masters League.

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Old 01-02-18, 13:17   #6
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Hi Guys
Thanks for that .I would be grateful if you could answer my last query regarding posting the balance collected from the members on a monthly basis for each tournament , this is not a difficult thing to do with the systems you have.

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Old 01-02-18, 13:49   #7
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Hi Duke,

For a variety of reasons we wont be publishing financial information on company transactions online. The leaderboard will be shown online which will continually change to show that the process is a fluid one. The total number of tickets that the qualifying league accumulates will equal the the number of players who played in the nightly events over the 3 1/2 months * 7. If you want to do a reconciliation at the end of the process to satisfy yourself that all is transparent you are welcome to do that. As stated every euro collected will correlate with the number of tickets generated.

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Old 03-02-18, 13:24   #8
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Hi Guys,

Unfortunately, your response is totally inadequate. I am not suggesting that you publish financial information on company transactions online, you already publish a huge amount of player and club information as it stands.

What I suggested is that you could post the balances collected from the members on a monthly basis for all tournaments, as you are no doubt aware that your leading competitor provides this information to its members on a weekly basis. This should be done for all three leagues including the cash league.

If you have an objection to posting it online, you could at least post it on the notice board in the Club. The members have a right to know how much money they have contributed and you have a duty of care to provide it.

There is very little regulation regarding Casinos and Card clubs and as you are Ireland's Premier Venue for card and casino gaming, it is important that you lead the way in setting the standards in governance and transparency. Giving the members details of the funds you have collected and are holding in trust for them for the three leagues on a monthly basis is not unreasonable. IT IS THEIR MONEY.

As you rightly say you are Dublin's Favourite Casino and therefore should be the leader in governance and open communication with members regarding their funds which are no doubt held in an escrow account, these funds could be in excess of €100,000 every three months.

Members are doing reconciliations themselves already but by you providing them with accurate and timely balances, it would save them unnessesary trouble and generate greater trust and transparency.

I look forward to your considered response.

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Old 09-02-18, 13:08   #9
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Hi Guys

The courticy of a response would be appreciated!!

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Old 09-02-18, 13:18   #10
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Sorry for the spelling mistake 🤔
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Old 12-02-18, 14:59   #11
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Sorry for the spelling mistake 🤔
You can edit your original post
Some good points raised even if you cannot get a reply
You can ask a mod(moderator) to check rules regarding Questions not being answered

May just be a case of "Schrodinger's Cat"
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Old 12-02-18, 23:47   #12
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You can edit your original post
Some good points raised even if you cannot get a reply
You can ask a mod(moderator) to check rules regarding Questions not being answered

May just be a case of "Schrodinger's Cat"
Thanks for your comments and advice , I like your analogy ! Let's see where we go and if the cat lives in reality or not .
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Old 12-02-18, 23:55   #13
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Hi Guys
As you are one the companys/ clubs availing of the poker boards I would like to draw your attention to the Boards Charter and in particular to the note at the end which states " In addition to the information above ,anyone availing of the board to promote their tournaments are expected to answer all questions that are relevant, civil and politely put to them regarding their tournament and club policies in general" .Your refusal to respect this is of great concern particularly when such large amounts of third party cash are involved .
I also note you are leading members of the Gaming and Leisure Association of Ireland and would like to draw your attention to the association's code of practice . It would seem fruitless appealing to this association as your Managing Director is also the Director there and has recently made a submission to the Department of Justice and Equality.
As a Limited Company you have obligations under the law !!
Please provide answers to the questions they are not unreasonable.

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Old 13-02-18, 10:07   #14
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Hello Duke,

We are not into using boards every day so it is not possible to answer questions as often as you post them. It is not in the rules that questions have to answered within a certain amount of time. The account answers questions asked either through messaging or posting when reasonable questions are asked when we log in.

To answer your question no the club wont be posting any more information than it currently does. There is a large amount of information posted on every club event and we feel there is sufficient information posted currently to give transparency in terms of fees, monies collected for leagues, weekly updates on league standings, numbers per tournament, prize pools, etc.

Naturally you wont agree with this position and would prefer the club to spend more time and resources publishing every piece of information that you feel is relevant to you. I understand your position on the matter and we have our own views as well that we feel are appropriate to the business and its members.

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Old 13-02-18, 13:21   #15
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Hello Duke,

We are not into using boards every day so it is not possible to answer questions as often as you post them. It is not in the rules that questions have to answered within a certain amount of time. The account answers questions asked either through messaging or posting when reasonable questions are asked when we log in.

To answer your question no the club wont be posting any more information than it currently does. There is a large amount of information posted on every club event and we feel there is sufficient information posted currently to give transparency in terms of fees, monies collected for leagues, weekly updates on league standings, numbers per tournament, prize pools, etc.

Naturally you wont agree with this position and would prefer the club to spend more time and resources publishing every piece of information that you feel is relevant to you. I understand your position on the matter and we have our own views as well that we feel are appropriate to the business and its members.

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transparency
tranˈspar(ə)nsi,trɑːnˈspar(ə)nsi,tranˈspɛːr(ə)nsi, trɑːnˈspɛːr(ə)nsi/
noun

the condition of being transparent.
"the transparency of ice"
synonyms: translucency, lucidity, pellucidity, limpidness, limpidity, glassiness, liquidity, clearness, clarity;

Schrödinger's cat is out of the bag(box)
More like a scene from the Wizard of OZ
With the fitz hiding behind curtains and smoke screens

"The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me."
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No pleasing some people
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Old 13-02-18, 17:53   #17
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No pleasing some people
"The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it"

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transparency
tranˈspar(ə)nsi,trɑːnˈspar(ə)nsi,tranˈspɛːr(ə)nsi, trɑːnˈspɛːr(ə)nsi/
noun

the condition of being transparent.
"the transparency of ice"
synonyms: translucency, lucidity, pellucidity, limpidness, limpidity, glassiness, liquidity, clearness, clarity;

Schrödinger's cat is out of the bag(box)
More like a scene from the Wizard of OZ
With the fitz hiding behind curtains and smoke screens

"The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me."
-Ayn Rand
I'm not responding to this post in particular, but as a general point to the discussion here.

From what I have seen there is no dodging of questions, and while there may not be daily replies, they are being addressed when the user from the Fitz logs on. Not agreeing or liking answers is always possible. Things like this can influence someone to attend or not attend a club or event, and that is everyone's right.

If there are specific things that you feel the FCC is violating in terms of charter, and while pointing out typos like changing something to a rebuy in one place and not another is fine, it is not what I'd call not abiding by the rules. The report post feature exists if anyone wishes to bring my attention to something.

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Old 17-02-18, 13:38   #19
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Thank you for your comments which are very welcome. l would briefly respond as follows:
As the leading company in the sector with 50,000 customers, as they claim, they should be paying more attention to social media on a daily basis, it is a vital part of buisness in the gaming industry, and as you rightly say it can influence customers.
Not agreeing or liking questions is always possible too.
I am new to the boards and apologies for expecting the leading card company to monitor its social media and to respond in a more timely fashion.

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Thank you for your comments which are very welcome. l would briefly respond as follows:
As the leading company in the sector with 50,000 customers, as they claim, they should be paying more attention to social media on a daily basis, it is a vital part of buisness in the gaming industry, and as you rightly say it can influence customers.
Not agreeing or liking questions is always possible too.
I am new to the boards and apologies for expecting the leading card company to monitor its social media and to respond in a more timely fashion.

TheDuke
This protracted argument is never going to end
Can the Fitz just publish the requested information
Master tickets accrued to date?
Revenue accrued from both other leagues?
I cannot believe they are taking this route, time to take the high ground
I don't believe the Fitz are silly enough to do what is being suggested
Enough is enough

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