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I can't understand it, he knows the horse well, may have thought it wouldn't help.
I guess he saw Seabass was beaten and it was only the Grey running on at all and didn't think it could catch him, by the time they got into a head bobber it was too late to be reaching for the stick.
Couple of sick beats for McManus.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by The Situation View PostFuck him, feel for the lads who travel all over the country to ride 100/1 no hopers who'll never get near a National ride not to mind miss out 1 year.
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Originally posted by knokies View Postruby is a legend of irish racing to b abused by some clueless c**t like u he gives a dream to all them riding at ptp and these places.them guys that travel around the country have a job and get well paid for it.its not rubys fault he was better than avg in the game.
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Originally posted by knokies View Postruby is a legend of irish racing to b abused by some clueless c**t like u he gives a dream to all them riding at ptp and these places.them guys that travel around the country have a job and get well paid for it.its not rubys fault he was better than avg in the game.
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Originally posted by NewApproach View PostThe lad who gets one ride a week on a 100/1 shot must be doing pretty well for himself so
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Originally posted by knokies View Postruby is a legend of irish racing to b abused by some clueless c**t like u he gives a dream to all them riding at ptp and these places.them guys that travel around the country have a job and get well paid for it.its not rubys fault he was better than avg in the game.
For one, like him or hate him Ruby is a legend and he is so much better than your average jockey. Being at the top of your game always brings the haters. However these lads and girls are always just one fall away from the end of their careers, health or maybe worse so if they get paid more than you or me I for one wouldn't be complaining.
Also the truth is that outside the top dozen NH (prob quite a bit less) in this country the rest struggle to get by, even if they are injury free. I think going rate used to be something like 80 on the flat and 115 over jumps plus prize money before Taxes and Expenses. Take a look sometime at the racing post and use your calculator, you'll see how little some of these folks make.
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Originally posted by Arazi View PostLol there's so much in this simple sentence.
For one, like him or hate him Ruby is a legend and he is so much better than your average jockey. Being at the top of your game always brings the haters. However these lads and girls are always just one fall away from the end of their careers, health or maybe worse so if they get paid more than you or me I for one wouldn't be complaining.
Also the truth is that outside the top dozen NH (prob quite a bit less) in this country the rest struggle to get by, even if they are injury free. I think going rate used to be something like 80 on the flat and 115 over jumps plus prize money before Taxes and Expenses. Take a look sometime at the racing post and use your calculator, you'll see how little some of these folks make.
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Originally posted by Phil3 View PostAGE 6 year olds haven't won since 1922 7 year olds haven't won since 1940 8 year olds only 1 win in last 18 years 13+ year olds only 2 wins in entire history and none have placed since 1969
The stats don't lend credit to 6, 7, 8 & 13+ year olds so we can eliminate these.
HORSES ELIMINATED:- ALFA BEAT, BLACK APALACHI, TATENEN, SHAKALAKABOOMBOOM, ON HIS OWN, ORGANISEDCONFUSION, QUISCOVER FONTAINE, THARAWAAT, VIKING BLOND, HELLO BUD, OUR ISLAND, SMOKING ACES & BALLYVESEY.
BREEDING French bred horses have only won once in the last 101 years
Apart from Mon Mome's anomaly, French bred's are ones to avoid in this race.
HORSES ELIMINATED: NEPTUNE COLLONGES, MON MOME, LE BEAU BAI & SWING BILL.
STAMINA Every winner since 1970 had previously won over a 3m+ distance
Comes as no surprise that a horse needs to be proven over a staying distance to win this. Changed recently so all entrants need to have finished in the first 4 in a 3m chase so it won't eliminate many this time.
HORSES ELIMINATED:- SEABASS, BECAUSEICOULDNTSEE & IN COMPLIANCE
FITNESS Last 29 winners of race had all run in the 50 days previous.
Very hard to run well in this stamina sapping race without having at least a warm up race.
HORSES ELIMINATED: CALGARY BAY, CHICAGO GREY, WEST END ROCKER, ALWAYS RIGHT, CAPPA BLEU, TREACLE, ARBOR SUPREME, STATE OF PLAY, GILES CROSS, VIC VENTURI & ANY CURRENCY
OFFICIAL RATING Last 11 winners were all officially rated 136+
Must have shown a decent amount of ability previously.
HORSES ELIMINATED: NEPTUNE EQUESTER, ABBEYBRANEY & SADDLERS STORM.
CHASE EXPERIENCE Last 11 winners had all previously ran in 10 or more chases
Not surprisingly the winner can't have any weakness in his jumping and that comes from experience.
HORSES ELIMINATED: SYNCHRONISED, WEIRD AL & JUNIOR
BIG FIELD & RACE WINNER Last 11 winners had previously won a race with 12+ runners and worth over £17k.
A horse who's won a big prize whilst in a big field has a big experience boost here.
HORSES ELIMINATED: PLANET OF SOUND, DEEP PURPLE, THE MIDNIGHT CLUB, KILLYGLEN, POSTMASTER & MIDNIGHT HAZE
FALLS Last 11 winners had all never fallen more than once in their career
Unsurprisingly you want to be backing a horse with a good jumping record.
HORSES ELIMINATED: ALWAYS WAINING
CHECK We are now down to the Final 4 of BALLABRIGGS, ACCORDING TO PETE, RARE BOB & SUNNYHILLBOY. It becomes a bit difficult to split these with a definitive reason.
All the last 10 winners have received at least 7lbs from the top weighted horse AND have ran 3 to 6 times since September of that season. ELIMINATE BALLABRIGGS
British bred horses have almost as poor record French with no wins and only 6 places in the last 10 years (French 1 win, 5 places). ELIMINATE ACCORDING TO PETE
This now leaves us with RARE BOB and Sunnyhillboy.
I’m inclined to go with Rare Bob who is the best age with 10 year olds winning 5 of the last 10 races and has the benefit of having experience over the “National” fences like 6 of the last 10 winners.Mattie McGrath wanna-be
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Originally posted by amberleaf View Postwell played well almost anyways!http://formbet.co.uk?ap_id=Filly10 Horse Racing Ratings
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Originally posted by Phil3 View Postcheers not my own work though got it from a group im a member off..few great minds in it! made a bit from the each way but ahhh right on the line ha! have the photo not sure how to post it here incase anyone hasnt seen the official one was gutted! well onto the next one
You can scrap that one for next year
I had a different selection process and ended up with Seabass and SunnyHillBoy. The last 500m was huge excitment, followed by extreme sickness
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Originally posted by Mellor View PostBREEDING French bred horses have only won once in the last 101 years
You can scrap that one for next year
I had a different selection process and ended up with Seabass and SunnyHillBoy. The last 500m was huge excitment, followed by extreme sickness
yeeh it was huge excitment but ahhh heartbroken i was..!!http://formbet.co.uk?ap_id=Filly10 Horse Racing Ratings
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Originally posted by Phil3 View PostAGE 6 year olds haven't won since 1922 7 year olds haven't won since 1940 8 year olds only 1 win in last 18 years 13+ year olds only 2 wins in entire history and none have placed since 1969
The stats don't lend credit to 6, 7, 8 & 13+ year olds so we can eliminate these.
HORSES ELIMINATED:- ALFA BEAT, BLACK APALACHI, TATENEN, SHAKALAKABOOMBOOM, ON HIS OWN, ORGANISEDCONFUSION, QUISCOVER FONTAINE, THARAWAAT, VIKING BLOND, HELLO BUD, OUR ISLAND, SMOKING ACES & BALLYVESEY.
BREEDING French bred horses have only won once in the last 101 years
Apart from Mon Mome's anomaly, French bred's are ones to avoid in this race.
HORSES ELIMINATED: NEPTUNE COLLONGES, MON MOME, LE BEAU BAI & SWING BILL.
STAMINA Every winner since 1970 had previously won over a 3m+ distance
Comes as no surprise that a horse needs to be proven over a staying distance to win this. Changed recently so all entrants need to have finished in the first 4 in a 3m chase so it won't eliminate many this time.
HORSES ELIMINATED:- SEABASS, BECAUSEICOULDNTSEE & IN COMPLIANCE
FITNESS Last 29 winners of race had all run in the 50 days previous.
Very hard to run well in this stamina sapping race without having at least a warm up race.
HORSES ELIMINATED: CALGARY BAY, CHICAGO GREY, WEST END ROCKER, ALWAYS RIGHT, CAPPA BLEU, TREACLE, ARBOR SUPREME, STATE OF PLAY, GILES CROSS, VIC VENTURI & ANY CURRENCY
OFFICIAL RATING Last 11 winners were all officially rated 136+
Must have shown a decent amount of ability previously.
HORSES ELIMINATED: NEPTUNE EQUESTER, ABBEYBRANEY & SADDLERS STORM.
CHASE EXPERIENCE Last 11 winners had all previously ran in 10 or more chases
Not surprisingly the winner can't have any weakness in his jumping and that comes from experience.
HORSES ELIMINATED: SYNCHRONISED, WEIRD AL & JUNIOR
BIG FIELD & RACE WINNER Last 11 winners had previously won a race with 12+ runners and worth over £17k.
A horse who's won a big prize whilst in a big field has a big experience boost here.
HORSES ELIMINATED: PLANET OF SOUND, DEEP PURPLE, THE MIDNIGHT CLUB, KILLYGLEN, POSTMASTER & MIDNIGHT HAZE
FALLS Last 11 winners had all never fallen more than once in their career
Unsurprisingly you want to be backing a horse with a good jumping record.
HORSES ELIMINATED: ALWAYS WAINING
CHECK We are now down to the Final 4 of BALLABRIGGS, ACCORDING TO PETE, RARE BOB & SUNNYHILLBOY. It becomes a bit difficult to split these with a definitive reason.
All the last 10 winners have received at least 7lbs from the top weighted horse AND have ran 3 to 6 times since September of that season. ELIMINATE BALLABRIGGS
British bred horses have almost as poor record French with no wins and only 6 places in the last 10 years (French 1 win, 5 places). ELIMINATE ACCORDING TO PETE
This now leaves us with RARE BOB and Sunnyhillboy.
I’m inclined to go with Rare Bob who is the best age with 10 year olds winning 5 of the last 10 races and has the benefit of having experience over the “National” fences like 6 of the last 10 winners.Originally posted by amberleaf View Postwell played well almost anyways!Originally posted by Phil3 View Postcheers not my own work though got it from a group im a member off..few great minds in it! made a bit from the each way but ahhh right on the line ha! have the photo not sure how to post it here incase anyone hasnt seen the official one was gutted! well onto the next oneMattie McGrath wanna-be
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