50NL : Bad turn spot

[Luckycharms_74]

Villian is loosing reg over 20k hands
26/20/1.9 agg
I should xc turn and evaluate river I know we have FD & gutshot equity but i think its spewy to call ?

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2139158
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BB: $59.79
UTG: $50.00
MP: $36.05
CO: $141.95
BTN: $22.68
Hero (SB): $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with Q J
2 folds, CO raises to $1.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.85, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.70) J K 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2, Hero raises to $7.50, CO calls $5.50

Turn: ($17.70) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $12, CO raises to $133.35 all in, Hero ????

[Kie Diddy]

I tihnk it's likely safe to assume you're behind, presumably to a relatively vulnerbale hand but even in say making 2 pair or better or the river will be good enough I doubt you're getting anywhere close to the right price...(14 outs at best by my reckoning even against AK..) so i would agree with that is seems spewy

Occasionaly people do this very sort of weird thing when on tilt though, as I'm sure you know, they just go mad with some hand, so if you've been beating him up I might be inclinced to gamble..

[*PocketRockets*]

So you're in for $20.60, leaving you $29.40

Pot, after villain's all in is about $72. You're getting 2.4/1 on your money.

Assuming you're not up against Q 10, which I doubt because he's only flatted the re-raise on the flop with a flush draw out there, you've got 9 clubs, probably 4 tens, 2 jacks and maybe even 3 queens.

Assuming you've not got the queens, you've got about 1 in 3 of the pack to hit i.e. 2/1.

All this, assuming you're behind.

Close one, but call imo.

[PokerDubKid]

Is there anything to be said about pot control in this situation?

From a flop pot of $3 to turn pot of $150 is letting things get out of hand. A bit result-based thinking I know.

Nothing wrong with flatting here on the flop as:
-Its a standard c-bet.
-It exercises pot control
-Looks like he's playing a wide range of hands.
-You could be way ahead with your J alone.
-We can extract a lot of value (on other streets) by flatting .
-Implied odds through the wazoo.
-Will educe bluffs from his weak hands.
-May slow his big hands down.
-Again...pot control.

Just my thinking. But I've no history with the guy.

[Luckycharms_74]

So you're in for $20.60, leaving you $29.40

Pot, after villain's all in is about $72. You're getting 2.4/1 on your money.

Assuming you're not up against Q 10, which I doubt because he's only flatted the re-raise on the flop with a flush draw out there, you've got 9 clubs, probably 4 tens, 2 jacks and maybe even 3 queens.

Assuming you've not got the queens, you've got about 1 in 3 of the pack to hit i.e. 2/1.

All this, assuming you're behind.

Close one, but call imo.

Yeah were getting 29% pot odds & we have 23% equity vs a made hand, Its prolly not close enough to call bit in game I made the call

Is there anything to be said about pot control in this situation?

From a flop pot of $3 to turn pot of $150 is letting things get out of hand. A bit result-based thinking I know.

Nothing wrong with flatting here on the flop as:
-Its a standard c-bet.
-It exercises pot control
-Looks like he's playing a wide range of hands.
-You could be way ahead with your J alone.
-We can extract a lot of value (on other streets) by flatting .
-Implied odds through the wazoo.
-Will educe bluffs from his weak hands.
-May slow his big hands down.
-Again...pot control.

Just my thinking. But I've no history with the guy.

Effective stacks are $50. I could have played it passive and flatted flop, but my thinking is check raise flop can get me a free turn card if he pots control with 1 pair hands hands Like KT, JT, etc

[*PocketRockets*]

You could easily be up against Q K / Q A / T A here

I'd go with a crying call considering he's clearly trying to push you off. You might be ahead.

[drive56]

What range are you putting him on here when after your flop raise was called? Personally I dont think you accomplish anything by betting the turn here when you miss. Its unlikely he folds 2 pair, set etc and its more unlikely that he has a drawing hand like a bare 10. As played I dont think your getting anywhere near the right price to call the river all in considering your up against a made hand. Your only really drawing to a flush draw or chop as its unlikely your two pair is good if made