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    #1

    AKo UTG

    this is a hand i played last night in caesars cheap n' deep..
    i get AKo UTG+1.. blinds are 50/100 and starting stacks are around 19k each.. i start hand with around 21k.. i raise to 375, villain(MP) 3bets to 800 with 2 callers, comes back to me and i 4 bet to 1900... raiser calls as do the other 2.. Flop is AQx4.. i cbet for 2900 and villain insta ships.. the 2 guys folded.. now when he 3bet me pre and then jus called my 4bet i think he could have JJ,QQ,KK,AK,AA, possibly AQ but i know the player and he isnt like that.. what you think the next move is here.. from reviewing hand and talking over w friends i could have raised less UTG and 4 bet more than 1900, any advice appreciated.

    EDIt: should say that i have him covered by about 4k..
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    #2
    Just call his 3 bet pre.. No point in playing a massive pot out of position this early.. As played, I wouldn't be folding the flop.

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      #3
      Originally posted by KK82 View Post
      Just call his 3 bet pre.. No point in playing a massive pot out of position this early.. As played, I wouldn't be folding the flop.
      is that ok though, especially as there are 2 other callers after his 3bet.. i knew he was going nowhere but it was a bet to see where i stood and i was trying to get rid of callers, a bigger raise would have got a fold possibly. he could easily have AJ aswell though and trying to fold out any flush, straight draws?

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        #4
        Raise smaller pre

        Only call the 3 bet cos as u said his 3 bet range is small and AK does.not particularly well against it but given pot odds and how deep u.are flatting is fine

        Dont donk the.flop it achieves nothing but put you in an awkward spot c/c the flop and.reevaluate the turn!

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          #5
          Originally posted by deanolydon View Post
          is that ok though, especially as there are 2 other callers after his 3bet.. i knew he was going nowhere but it was a bet to see where i stood and i was trying to get rid of callers, a bigger raise would have got a fold possibly. he could easily have AJ aswell though and trying to fold out any flush, straight draws?
          With the A on the flop it's pretty hard to see why he'd think you'd have a flush draw, and surely KT, KJ, JT aren't in the range of hands he's putting you on after you 4-bet.

          As already said, flatting the 3-bet seems to be the best option at such an early stage.

          On the flop it's close, I'd prob be inclined to fold as we'll still be left with 160bbs+, and we run into AQ/QQ here a lot, and unlikely he's shipping with AJ/AT

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            #6
            Originally posted by brady23 View Post
            Raise smaller pre

            Only call the 3 bet cos as u said his 3 bet range is small and AK does.not particularly well against it but given pot odds and how deep u.are flatting is fine

            Dont donk the.flop it achieves nothing but put you in an awkward spot c/c the flop and.reevaluate the turn!
            my reason for betting flop was i wanted 'control' of the betting, i thought it was standard enough to cbet once youve3bet/4bet.. maybe for some at least...

            Originally posted by DFinneran View Post
            With the A on the flop it's pretty hard to see why he'd think you'd have a flush draw, and surely KT, KJ, JT aren't in the range of hands he's putting you on after you 4-bet.

            As already said, flatting the 3-bet seems to be the best option at such an early stage.

            On the flop it's close, I'd prob be inclined to fold as we'll still be left with 160bbs+, and we run into AQ/QQ here a lot, and unlikely he's shipping with AJ/AT
            sorry, i wrote the Q instead of a J.. it was NOT Qx on flop... it was Jx.. apologies... i know you say he doesnt put me on those hands but the standard in this casino is not great and people do crazy stuff in there.. i tank folded anyways and hoped he had JJ or AJ... he didnt show me whic only added to frustration.. haha i asked him later during the night and still no signs to what he had..

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              #7
              Originally posted by deanolydon View Post
              my reason for betting flop was i wanted 'control' of the betting, i thought it was standard enough to cbet once youve3bet/4bet.. maybe for some at least...


              sorry, i wrote the Q instead of a J.. it was NOT Qx on flop... it was Jx.. apologies... i know you say he doesnt put me on those hands but the standard in this casino is not great and people do crazy stuff in there.. i tank folded anyways and hoped he had JJ or AJ... he didnt show me whic only added to frustration.. haha i asked him later during the night and still no signs to what he had..
              Massive understatement. If there was any more fish in there, they'd have to move the tables to the aquarium across the road. Awful standard in their bigger games so can only imagine what this game is like.

              I realise you're trying to get more value pre by making it 375 but you could make it 800 to go at this level and they would all still call and play the same. 3x it here pre-antes though. Flatting the 3-bet is pretty standard and I don't really mind a lead here. Probably calling as played too.

              Your 4-bet achieves nothing due to the size and the players you're against. My 4-betting range here in games like this pretty tight because these guys will make so many mistakes post-flop and if you're any good you can punish them.

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                #8
                Originally posted by peterswellman View Post
                Massive understatement. If there was any more fish in there, they'd have to move the tables to the aquarium across the road. Awful standard in their bigger games so can only imagine what this game is like.

                I realise you're trying to get more value pre by making it 375 but you could make it 800 to go at this level and they would all still call and play the same. 3x it here pre-antes though. Flatting the 3-bet is pretty standard and I don't really mind a lead here. Probably calling as played too.

                Your 4-bet achieves nothing due to the size and the players you're against. My 4-betting range here in games like this pretty tight because these guys will make so many mistakes post-flop and if you're any good you can punish them.
                You can punish but the problem is they call nearly everything.. the most used phrase down.there is 'they were suited' it could be 72s and theyll call a raise on their SB because theyre suited.. but thinking again on hand.id deffinately.just call his 3bet because 1. it was very early and 2 they call anything.. i raised my.bb after everyone limped and got 5 callers.. i dont know what half of them were limp calling.. very irritating.. but i suppose you cant always blame other peoples play...

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                  #9
                  Not a fan of your 4 bet. Also don't think that you should c-bet if you are not prepared to go with the hand. As played id prob call.
                  Don't complain about weaker players calling with hands lik 7 2 suited either! You should be putting your arm around them on da way in the door!
                  If you're not in, you can't win

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by minor View Post
                    Not a fan of your 4 bet. Also don't think that you should c-bet if you are not prepared to go with the hand. As played id prob call.
                    Don't complain about weaker players calling with hands lik 7 2 suited either! You should be putting your arm around them on da way in the door!
                    Believe it.or not.you are not.the first peraon to.say that haha. friends always telling me not to.complain, just habit by.now.i suppose.. my reason.for the 4bet i.stated in an above.comment. i.wanted to rid the 2 callers and see where i was with guy who.3bet me.. for.my cbet, i wanted to.show.strentgh inn my.hand but in.the end it cost me a couple of chips.. still cant put him on a hand.. JJ is possible. either that or thats what i want to believe...

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                      #11
                      his likely hands are aq or qq, with kq diamonds being there too I guess by what you say. take the 5k hit and let it go imo
                      Go big or go homeless.

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