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    Facing a shove & a re-shove

    This is a hand from a local sunday night pub game. You get the usual 10 - 16 players every sunday night, and I'm the youngest player by about a long shot! The other players are your typical old school 5-card players, ("sure jaysus two pair is two pair" type players), who use this game as a change from the norm. I used to play this game regularly when I started playing poker first, but now only use it for entertainment when bored, as the standard is just unbelievably bad.


    The game is a €20 buy-in with a €10 re-buy and top up. We are 6 handed (two tables of 6) and we're playing about an hour when this hand happens:

    Blinds are 500/1000
    I have approx. 130k (starting stack was 30k).

    I have 99 utg and limp for 1000. It's limped around and checked down by the big blind.

    Flop is 910J
    sb checks, bb bets 2000. I pop it to 5000. The guy in seat 5 ships for around 45k, and the sb re-shoves for 52k.

    What is my action?
    I'm pretty sure i'm up against a straight in one of the spots, but do I have the odds to call here knowing what i'm up against? (Maths and odds are a very weak part of my game)

    P.S. In any other game I play in, I raise the 99 utg here, so I already know that I should have done that

    #2
    Call instantly.
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      #3
      You can't really be up against a higher set (which is what you really fear) so I'd call

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        #4
        Originally posted by Hectorjelly View Post
        You can't really be up against a higher set (which is what you really fear) so I'd call
        Yeah to be honest I didnt put either on a higher set when I was weighing up my options, but if I put one of them on a straight, what are my win percentages if I do call?

        As I said earlier, percentages etc is a particularly weak part of my game. So I was curious as to what more competent players would do when in this spot, if they thought they were up against a straight

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          #5
          Against a straight, you've seven outs on the turn (three Ts, three Js and one 9) and on the river you've an extra 3 outs (e.g., if a 5 comes on the turn you've another three 5s as outs on the river).
          So you're about 33%* to hit a house, ie., 2/1.

          It's not clear exactly how much is in the pot, it looks like you have to call 43,000 into a pot thats around 115,000, so you have way more than the required 2/1.

          * if you don't know then the rough calculation of outs into percentages is as follows. Mutliple each out by 4 on the turn, and by 2 on the river. So 7 outs on turn by 4 = 28%, + 3 outs on river at 2% = 6%. 28% + 6% = 34%. This is an approximate way of doing it in a live situation.
          Last edited by ArmaniJeans; 29-12-12, 17:56. Reason: mis-spelling

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            #6
            If you're SURE 1 person has a straight, then you should fold because you must feel the other person has some part of the board ie a pair&str8 combo, 2 pair or maybe they could have a bare queen I guess.
            Just saying it's unlikely that you have actually have 7outs given the likely hands the that 2 players will have.
            However in saying that, unless you are 100% sure 1 player has a straight, you should call, I'm sure your a mile ahead of any standard pub players shoving range on a board like this.

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              #7
              Way too many hands both could have to ever fold in any game, let alone a pub game.

              Download some free software called Pokerstove. That's the best way to start getting better at learning your equity with various holdings.
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                #8
                Clear ship, they can easily turn over JT and QJ

                If you are behind though I doubt all your outs are clean

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                  #9
                  I suppose my thread was due to me being results-based;

                  I ended up folding, the guy in seat 5 had 78 for a straight, the guy in the sb had KQ for the higher straight....blank on the turn, and had I stayed in the pot, I would have hit quad's on the river.

                  As I say I was being results based, but also I was curious as to wether or not calling was the proper play here.

                  It was probably a very straight forward hand for most competent players reading the thread but thanks anyway for the replies lads.

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                    #10
                    For a quick rule of thumb maths wise:

                    On the flop you count your outs, multiply by 4, subtract 2 and that's your percentage of hitting by the river.
                    On the turn you count your outs, multiply by 2, add 2 and that's your percentage chance of hitting the river.
                    In your case you've 7 on the flop plus if u don't house up on the turn you'll pick up an extra 3 - so lets call that 8.5 times 4 minus 2 = 32% chance of beating a straight. Of course for every 9, 10 or j that's I'm your opponents hand you'll lose 4%. In this case I'd go with about 30% plus you may even be ahead, plus your tournament life isn't at stake, easy call.

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