Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Two Questions One Thread

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Two Questions One Thread

    Playing the tournie in the SE last night and had these situations one ive seen a few times and one ive not.

    First one:

    The game is a double chance (get the other half of your chips anytime after the first hand up until the break) we are still in the early parts of the tournament and I havent taken my other half of my chips yet.

    Folded around to the button who raises and I ship from the SB back to the button and they start asking me a few questions, the main one being "have you had your 2nd chips yet?" I very rarely ever talk during hands dont wanna give up any info so I stay quiet and say nothing the player asks the question again but this time asks the TD "does he have to tell me if hes had his 2nd stack yet?" I get were the player is coming from think I might be shipping light looking to gamble if I still have another stack and if I have had it I might be tightening up my range.

    TD gives his voice on it, what you people reckon? I know I dont have to give up any information and its up to the player to keep track of the game.

    Second one:

    I see this one occasionally when a player takes a beat or is just after getting crippled they just shove their chips in the middle out of turn.

    Example last night I beat a guy with 99 vs 88 and he is left with a few chips but he is close to the button and just pushes and leaves his stack out there and the dealer dealt his hand they effectively betting out of turn.

    Obviously they are affecting the action of the other players that are to act in front of him so the hand plays out he gets called out of the blinds and loses the hand before the TD could make the decision on it he said he was gonna give him a warning not to do it again.

    But what if the action changes before it gets to the blind all in?

    It really bugs me when people do it if you are gonna shove blind just wait till it gets to you instead of this bad etiquette.
    "you raise, i kill you" El Tren :{)

    #2
    On the first one, apart from almost always taking my double stack early on (especially if anyone else has doubled up/topped up) i hate the way the SE do doublechance.

    IMO, you should never have to open your mouth in a hand when another player asks you a question. The dealer, maybe but you don't have to give any info to another player. When playing a double chance, you should get a token/chip/marker etc as to let players see whether you have taken your chips or not. When you take the 2nd half of your chips, your token gets taken away. It's quite simple and something i brought up before in the SE

    The 2nd, the player should get a warning for betting out of turn but for the hand i think his bet stands once the action doesn't change before it gets to him. It's very bad etiquette to push your chips out of turn and it's generally only a fish that does it. It does affect actions infront and behind, and it's lolretarded. Many a player has come back from a chip and a chair and when people push 4-5 blinds in out of turn and put their coat out always gives me a giggle

    Comment


      #3
      1) You don't have to say anything, it is up to him to keep up to speed with what is happening. I am sure there is some sort of token that should be missing from your stack if you have taken them tho??

      2) Dealer should make him take his chips back before dealing cards I think?? If he acts out of turn thereafter it's a warning.

      Comment


        #4
        Originally posted by ghostface ste View Post
        1) You don't have to say anything, it is up to him to keep up to speed with what is happening. I am sure there is some sort of token that should be missing from your stack if you have taken them tho??

        2) Dealer should make him take his chips back before dealing cards I think?? If he acts out of turn thereafter it's a warning.
        As i said above, the SE don't give you any token/marker. They keep track of it themselves on the reg sheet

        Comment


          #5
          U dont have to give an answer,even if a player asks how many chips u have left u can still say silent and the dealer will count, the td shouldnt have given him the info neither if he did

          Comment


            #6
            1) You dont have to speak. Also your right FD, not having a token thing is a bit stupid. It doesn't take much effort

            2) Obviously all in speaks. Warning from TD as to future behaviour. It is a bit annoying when they do this.
            Redbet at the Dublin Poker Invasion FTW

            Comment


              #7
              I was waiting for some clown at the table to say something about it and was surprised that they didnt.

              TD said what I thought that he cant and I dont have to reveal if I had or not.

              Had never thought about it until now about the SE not having some kind of chip to indicate if you had your 2nd chips.

              As for the 2nd thing the player got knocked out but I still think the TD should of given him a warning.

              AFAIK in Roberts Rules that betting out of turn and the action changing before that can give the player the option to take back the bet so I hate to see when players push all in out of turn.
              "you raise, i kill you" El Tren :{)

              Comment


                #8
                Originally posted by tylerdurden94 View Post
                Playing the tournie in the SE last night and had these situations one ive seen a few times and one ive not.

                First one:

                The game is a double chance (get the other half of your chips anytime after the first hand up until the break) we are still in the early parts of the tournament and I havent taken my other half of my chips yet.

                Folded around to the button who raises and I ship from the SB back to the button and they start asking me a few questions, the main one being "have you had your 2nd chips yet?" I very rarely ever talk during hands dont wanna give up any info so I stay quiet and say nothing the player asks the question again but this time asks the TD "does he have to tell me if hes had his 2nd stack yet?" I get were the player is coming from think I might be shipping light looking to gamble if I still have another stack and if I have had it I might be tightening up my range.

                TD gives his voice on it, what you people reckon? I know I dont have to give up any information and its up to the player to keep track of the game.

                Second one:

                I see this one occasionally when a player takes a beat or is just after getting crippled they just shove their chips in the middle out of turn.

                Example last night I beat a guy with 99 vs 88 and he is left with a few chips but he is close to the button and just pushes and leaves his stack out there and the dealer dealt his hand they effectively betting out of turn.

                Obviously they are affecting the action of the other players that are to act in front of him so the hand plays out he gets called out of the blinds and loses the hand before the TD could make the decision on it he said he was gonna give him a warning not to do it again.

                But what if the action changes before it gets to the blind all in?

                It really bugs me when people do it if you are gonna shove blind just wait till it gets to you instead of this bad etiquette.
                first one: nice angle shoot op....if i want him to call I say 'no' and visa versa. Agree with tony...should always be a marker to indicate. I do believe that if a player has a right to ask, as in a freezeout, "how much are you playing" then why not about the top up!
                Last edited by westlife; 07-01-11, 16:32.
                D15 CASINO, Mulhuddart Village (opp Blanchardstown shopping centre)

                Comment


                  #9
                  Originally posted by westlife View Post
                  first one: nice angle shoot op....if i want him to call I say 'no' and visa versa. Agree with tony...should always be a marker to indicate. I do believe that if a player has a right to ask, as in a freezeout, "how much are you playing" then why not about the top up!
                  Interesting point Phil but a player may ask but you don't have to tell them you can indicate at your stack and a dealer can verify it then.
                  "you raise, i kill you" El Tren :{)

                  Comment


                    #10
                    Originally posted by westlife View Post
                    first one: nice angle shoot op....if i want him to call I say 'no' and visa versa. Agree with tony...should always be a marker to indicate. I do believe that if a player has a right to ask, as in a freezeout, "how much are you playing" then why not about the top up!
                    Hey guys,

                    Just a random question here: But if a player asks you how much you're playing behind, I know you have the right not to respond to this, but do you have the right to "lie" or over exaggerate your chip stack? Say if you're sitting with 48k behind, and were asked how much you're playing and you were to reply "roughly, about 60k I think"(in order to appear stronger than you are), can you be pulled up for that?? Or can you argue that it's you're right not to tell the other player you're stack size?? (I know this is bad etiquette and I'm not saying I condone this, just asking hypothetically? )

                    And does the same situation apply when a player asks if you have received your second set of chips yet during a double chance? Can you lie without running the risk of incurring a penalty?? We all know there are those players at the table who annoy us so much, we'd do anything to wreck their buzz and set them on tilt!!! This could be an ideal opportunity!!

                    Comment


                      #11
                      Originally posted by THEY_WERE_SUITED View Post
                      over exaggerate
                      Tautology

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X