IO AK getting 3bet - Page 4

Arazi · 13-04-12, 20:23

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Originally Posted by reilly110

lol im sure prenderville is laughing his ass off at this thread ...folding obviously madness

This hand was presented in a vaccum and in such folding AK to a single raise to what turns out to be KK is pretty good.

alanmc101 · 13-04-12, 20:28

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Originally Posted by Arazi

This hand was presented in a vaccum and in such folding AK to a single raise to what turns out to be KK is pretty good.

slightly results based!

Daragh999 · 13-04-12, 20:30

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Originally Posted by Arazi

This hand was presented in a vaccum and in such folding AK to a single raise to what turns out to be KK is pretty good.

Results oriented thinking FTW!!!

reilly110 · 13-04-12, 20:31

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Originally Posted by Arazi

This hand was presented in a vaccum and in such folding AK to a single raise to what turns out to be KK is pretty good.

silly logic really

Arazi · 13-04-12, 20:38

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Originally Posted by reilly110

silly logic really

My logic is in the initial reply to the OP and during the course of the thread before the result I read nothing to change my mind as poster after poster stumbled to make any logical argument or take in any of the dynamics in the OP, a thoroughly disappointing experience.

NewApproach · 13-04-12, 20:41

If you are folding AK to a single reraise from a guy who is 3betting as liberally as this, poker isn't your game imo.

reilly110 · 13-04-12, 20:43

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Originally Posted by Arazi

My logic is in the initial reply to the OP and during the course of the thread before the result I read nothing to change my mind as poster after poster stumbled to make any logical argument or take in any of the dynamics in the OP, a thoroughly disappointing experience.

i didnt read most of thread -but i will help you out

1 piece of info is all you need -1- your opponent is sean prenderville

4betting is very profitable
calling maybe but way tougher to play

if you fold hands as strong as this he will trample on you -fact

the end

Arazi · 13-04-12, 21:16

Normally I respect your contributions but that post is actually retarded. We need every piece of information available to us in order to make the most accurate decisions, true some are more weighty than others but to simply ignore some or not pick up on them is negligent.
Also fwiw all decisions made in a vaccum should be analysed based on results.

Moneymaker · 13-04-12, 21:27

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Originally Posted by Arazi

Normally I respect your contributions but that post is actually retarded. We need every piece of information available to us in order to make the most accurate decisions, true some are more weighty than others but to simply ignore some or not pick up on them is negligent.
Also fwiw all decisions made in a vaccum should be analysed based on results.

alanmc101 · 13-04-12, 21:44

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Originally Posted by Arazi

Normally I respect your contributions but that post is actually retarded. We need every piece of information available to us in order to make the most accurate decisions, true some are more weighty than others but to simply ignore some or not pick up on them is negligent.
Also fwiw all decisions made in a vaccum should be analysed based on results.

You've lost me dude?

Arazi · 13-04-12, 21:46

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Originally Posted by alanmc101

You've lost me dude?

Sorry that was in reply to the Reilly kid

alanmc101 · 13-04-12, 21:53

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Originally Posted by Arazi

Sorry that was in reply to the Reilly kid

no i know that, but bout results bein most important thing in a vacuum? Like lets be honest Sean woke up with the absolute top of his range here.

peterswellman · 13-04-12, 21:56

Isn't the whole point of poker to make decisions based of ranges of our opponents and whether the play is profitable in the long run ? AK from what i've read would do very well against the ranges in question here. We give ourseleves two chances to win the pot, with the 4-bet and by getting it in against the range we perceive the player would have and winning? I don't really see the point of making decisions in a vaccum tbh.

12550/call for me all day.

Downtown · 13-04-12, 22:09

You win all the G-Bucks in the world here with AK.

I just 4 bet and try and get it in pre. Anything else is bad in the long run I would say. we arent that deep or anything <50bbs so folding or playing it passively against a agro player is awful.

@arazi
I understand what you are trying to say and this forum needs some devils advocates but this is super straight forward.

My guess is that the only reason we are even hearing about this hand is the fact that it happened on Day 2 of such a massive buy in tournament and the OP was understandably gutted.

alanmc101 · 13-04-12, 22:12

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Originally Posted by Downtown

My guess is that the only reason we are even hearing about this hand is the fact that it happened on Day 2 of such a massive buy in tournament and the OP was understandably gutted.

Op won the hand!

AKQJ10 · 13-04-12, 22:13

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Originally Posted by Downtown

My guess is that the only reason we are even hearing about this hand is the fact that it happened on Day 2 of such a massive buy in tournament and the OP was understandably gutted.

OP made a straight, id say he was delighted actually

Strewelpeter · 13-04-12, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Daragh999

Results oriented thinking FTW!!!

That's unfair, Arazi pointed out very clearly why he thought it was likely to be a very big hand in his first post and it turns out he had nailed it.

Lazare · 13-04-12, 23:50

First time in a very long time that I wandered into a theory thread, I quite enjoyed that.

digiman · 14-04-12, 00:07

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Originally Posted by blaaaaaaah

I think you over thoought what I said mate, basically I would flat too but for this opponent his +ev move is to 4bet (obv depends on his post flop play).

LOL, don't think your post contained anything for me to overthink about!! Just highlighted the part where you say that he is 3betting light. Problem is I don't think hes going to 5b light ever here. I'd say when you 4b here hes only jamming QQ+ and AK and might not even 3b QQ all the time to begin with preflop given the position that the OP opened from and the 5bets from his value jamming range will be mostly KK+ and AK. He could have a big range of hands that he 3bets light with but very rarely I think anyone 5bets them here given the 4b from an UTG player.

Anyway I don't think there is any dispute that 4betting is a +EV play, but I think calling is more +EV than 4betting and after all we are trying to make the most profitable decision.

blaaaaaaah · 14-04-12, 01:07

This is all I was referring to mate. "but it is a much better option than playing Sean oop if your not confident"

I am not trying to come across patronizing.

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13-04-12, 20:41	#66
NewApproach Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Below EV Posts: 5,410	If you are folding AK to a single reraise from a guy who is 3betting as liberally as this, poker isn't your game imo.

13-04-12, 21:16	#68
Arazi Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 961	Normally I respect your contributions but that post is actually retarded. We need every piece of information available to us in order to make the most accurate decisions, true some are more weighty than others but to simply ignore some or not pick up on them is negligent. Also fwiw all decisions made in a vaccum should be analysed based on results.

13-04-12, 21:56	#73
peterswellman Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,068	Isn't the whole point of poker to make decisions based of ranges of our opponents and whether the play is profitable in the long run ? AK from what i've read would do very well against the ranges in question here. We give ourseleves two chances to win the pot, with the 4-bet and by getting it in against the range we perceive the player would have and winning? I don't really see the point of making decisions in a vaccum tbh. 12550/call for me all day.

13-04-12, 22:09	#74
Downtown Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mexico Posts: 1,955	You win all the G-Bucks in the world here with AK. I just 4 bet and try and get it in pre. Anything else is bad in the long run I would say. we arent that deep or anything <50bbs so folding or playing it passively against a agro player is awful. @arazi I understand what you are trying to say and this forum needs some devils advocates but this is super straight forward. My guess is that the only reason we are even hearing about this hand is the fact that it happened on Day 2 of such a massive buy in tournament and the OP was understandably gutted.