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Old 06-12-11, 20:14   #61
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I for one have learned a lot, and feel thoroughly humbled by the fact SB had KK.

"Must try harder to avoid tarps" That will have to go in my diary.
Hope you learned something about teh pokers today
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Old 06-12-11, 20:33   #62
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Old 06-12-11, 21:28   #63
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I jammed he had KK, was chatting with Derek Murray straight after the hand and he suggested it was a much more interesting spot then it seems on the face of it.

I think I'd much rather be calling a shove here from the SB and I do think given effective stack here, a lot of the time a flat is a big hand, not often enough to make it a fold but feel its closer then many think.
Think this is overthinkin this spot a bit, the sb's flatting range has got to be super wide here, tons of ax's and some kx's. The times he's gettin trappy with aa/kk/qq will occur so rarely that u cant worry about it. The fact that he hasnt rejammed does not equal the top of his range, its actually the opposite.
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Old 06-12-11, 21:53   #64
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Think this is overthinkin this spot a bit, the sb's flatting range has got to be super wide here, tons of ax's and some kx's. The times he's gettin trappy with aa/kk/qq will occur so rarely that u cant worry about it. The fact that he hasnt rejammed does not equal the top of his range, its actually the opposite.
I disagree with this, I think the majority of people posting in this thread anyway, will flat premiums and Jam wide. For me anyway in SB here my calling range is vastly smaller the my shoving range.


I never said it's a fold here btw, but I think it can be in this spot read dependent.

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Old 06-12-11, 22:38   #65
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I disagree with this, I think the majority of people posting in this thread anyway, will flat premiums and Jam wide. For me anyway in SB here my calling range is vastly smaller the my shoving range.


I never said it's a fold here btw, but I think it can be in this spot read dependent.
Well it would clearly be a fold if you're the sb in this spot given what you've just revealed! But with 35bbs and the bb having me covered im not jamming wide here, theres no need to put your whole stack in jeopardy here with a marginal hand in case the bb wakes up with a monster. I'm flatting here with premiums and my marginal calling hands, then easily folding the bottom of my range when the bb gets involved.
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Old 06-12-11, 23:50   #66
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Well it would clearly be a fold if you're the sb in this spot given what you've just revealed! But with 35bbs and the bb having me covered im not jamming wide here, theres no need to put your whole stack in jeopardy here with a marginal hand in case the bb wakes up with a monster. I'm flatting here with premiums and my marginal calling hands, then easily folding the bottom of my range when the bb gets involved.

so your never raising here in the SB ?
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Old 07-12-11, 00:18   #67
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What did the button have?
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What did the button have?


A9 - flopped quads
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A9 - flopped quads
You went all in with Ace high vs a pair and quads?

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Old 07-12-11, 00:24   #70
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I think I much prefer reshipping AQ here than 99/TT also because we have blockers for AA/QQ, which decreases the combinations of "trapping hands", so most of the times we are crashing SB and still have 30% the few times he turn over KK.
If we are here discussing whether shipping or not AQ, then the SB should really call or reship superlight there vs us, given that we call only with top 3%.
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Old 07-12-11, 01:07   #71
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Old 07-12-11, 01:18   #72
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so your never raising here in the SB ?
I'm probably jammin 99/1010, maybe jj and sometimes ak/aq but its fine to flat these. I just hate reshippin the 35bigs with worse than these hands and i'll prob get trappy wit aa/kk/qq. This mightnt be perfectly optimal, maybe 88/ajs is fine too im not sure. I'll flat the 9bb button jam with somethin like a7s+, kj/kq and pairs.
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Old 07-12-11, 07:23   #73
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Old 08-12-11, 13:51   #74
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Old 08-12-11, 16:36   #75
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Question: What's our range to jam here? It's gotta be tight enough as we don't have any fold equity over SB. A10s+?
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Old 08-12-11, 20:51   #76
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Question: What's our range to jam here? It's gotta be tight enough as we don't have any fold equity over SB. A10s+?
Unreal stuff!
This thread really amazed me and showed up some supposedly good players as lacking in intellect, instinct and mathematics.
Poster it might be a good exercise for you to look at hands like A10, AJ and AQ and see how poorly they flop 3 ways.
With pretty much no chips invested here this is a fold. I'd only jam AK, JJ here (perhaps 10s), and I wouldn't feel good about the AK either.
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Old 08-12-11, 21:15   #77
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Unreal stuff!
This thread really amazed me and showed up some supposedly good players as lacking in intellect, instinct and mathematics.
Poster it might be a good exercise for you to look at hands like A10, AJ and AQ and see how poorly they flop 3 ways.
With pretty much no chips invested here this is a fold. I'd only jam AK, JJ here (perhaps 10s), and I wouldn't feel good about the AK either.
WOW, ok. Any1 else? I think we jam AJs+ here. Folding AQ as you say seems to nitty to a 9bb button shove and flat from sb!! Just looking for other people's opinion on where the shove/fold line is.
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Old 08-12-11, 21:22   #78
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Unreal stuff!
This thread really amazed me and showed up some supposedly good players as lacking in intellect, instinct and mathematics.
Poster it might be a good exercise for you to look at hands like A10, AJ and AQ and see how poorly they flop 3 ways.
With pretty much no chips invested here this is a fold. I'd only jam AK, JJ here (perhaps 10s), and I wouldn't feel good about the AK either.
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the sb flating here with anything less than aa kk maybe qq is such a bad play leaving himself open to a bb shove
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completely agree at least 80% of the time ur walking in AA KK. even bad players flat with aa kk ,rather call a shove from the sb than shove here. so imo fold is the right play
The fact that you are giving him of a lol-range of KK+ 80% of the time and want to fold a strong hand is exactly the reason why its a good play to flat wide.
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Unreal stuff!
This thread really amazed me and showed up some supposedly good players as lacking in intellect, instinct and mathematics.
Poster it might be a good exercise for you to look at hands like A10, AJ and AQ and see how poorly they flop 3 ways.
With pretty much no chips invested here this is a fold. I'd only jam AK, JJ here (perhaps 10s), and I wouldn't feel good about the AK either.
folding everything bar JJ+, AK here against this action is bad if you give sb a range wider than that which he surely has. Also lol at your opening statement. utter tripe
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