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    BOYLESPORTS..... opinions please!

    Got a tip from a guy in local bookies (boyles) yesterday that Robbie Keane would sign for Galaxy. Went up to the counter and asked the girl what price was he to sign for Galaxy. She looked at the computer and said.. 8/1. I place €200 on the wager straight away and stayed in the shop for half and hour afterwards placing horse bets. headed off and was delighted to hear all the 'whispers' last night about a possible signing.

    Went into boyles today and the girl behind the counter says that they are voiding my bet?? I said 'why' and she says "because the market closed 2 mins before the bet was placed" how can that be...I asked what price was Robbie Keane to go to Galaxy, you looked at the computer and said 8/1... I immediately placed the bet and stood in the shop for the next half hour, punting, with nothing being said"?? They are the lowest of the low. They then came back to me and said "we will allow you €50 on the bet and refund €150!

    ????

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    Last edited by westlife; 13-08-11, 13:56.
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    You suck balls at writing out bets!

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      #3
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        #4
        Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
        You suck balls at writing out bets!
        all geniuses have terrible hand writing Tony!
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          #5
          Originally posted by White Knight View Post
          Thanks Knight... I have already contacted them, just cannot believe that they are trying to pull this one...
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            #6
            Did they not do something similar to you before Phil? I'd be going elsewhere

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              #7
              Originally posted by ghostface ste View Post
              Did they not do something similar to you before Phil? I'd be going elsewhere
              I've had issues before Ste.. but nothing as blatant as this attempted rip off..... it's my local.. pals with a lot of the lads that frequent... but your right!
              D15 CASINO, Mulhuddart Village (opp Blanchardstown shopping centre)

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                #8
                That is pretty scuzzy Phil I would seriously hound them over this if I was you.
                "you raise, i kill you" El Tren :{)

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by tylerdurden94 View Post
                  That is pretty scuzzy Phil I would seriously hound them over this if I was you.
                  ta danny, i'm fuming.......
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by westlife View Post
                    ta danny, i'm fuming.......
                    I remember you having troubles before over bets and have seen from time to time bookies doing shit like this, very happy to take your money but then try and fuck over their customers its disgraceful horrible bastards!
                    "you raise, i kill you" El Tren :{)

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Gimmeabreak
                      Phil,

                      The bet will be paid. You wont be able to collect until Monday as I wont be in the office until then to sort it out.

                      Thanks,
                      Noel
                      like a boss

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Gimmeabreak
                        Phil,

                        The bet will be paid. You wont be able to collect until Monday as I wont be in the office until then to sort it out.

                        Thanks,
                        Noel

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Gimmeabreak
                          Phil,

                          The bet will be paid. You wont be able to collect until Monday as I wont be in the office until then to sort it out.

                          Thanks,
                          Noel

                          SORTED! just hope the la gangs dont have to loot the city to get rid of him
                          Mattie McGrath wanna-be

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Gimmeabreak
                            Phil,

                            The bet will be paid. You wont be able to collect until Monday as I wont be in the office until then to sort it out.

                            Thanks,
                            Noel
                            Thanks Noel,
                            Appreciate the help......

                            I will put €200, in Boyles name, into your designated charity... PM or post your choice
                            D15 CASINO, Mulhuddart Village (opp Blanchardstown shopping centre)

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by westlife View Post
                              Thanks Noel,
                              Appreciate the help......

                              I will put €200, in Boyles name, into your designated charity... PM or post your choice
                              has he singed for them reports on sky say galaxy are talking down the move??

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                                #16
                                Would be epic if he didnt sign for them, truly epic Baker moment

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by westlife View Post
                                  Thanks Noel,
                                  Appreciate the help......

                                  I will put €200, in Boyles name, into your designated charity... PM or post your choice
                                  Take it handy Phil, he hasn't signed yet!
                                  We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then is not an act, but a habit.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Donk Magnet View Post
                                    has he singed for them reports on sky say galaxy are talking down the move??
                                    lol, yes.... after all this has he signed?
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by dannydiamond View Post
                                      Take it handy Phil, he hasn't signed yet!
                                      if he does not sign then Boyles can put the 200 in to my designated Charity as good PR. To be honest i've had a good week sports betting... never about the money. Just did not like the way this was initially handled.
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by westlife View Post
                                        if he does not sign then Boyles can put the 200 in to my designated Charity as good PR. To be honest i've had a good week sports betting... never about the money. Just did not like the way this was initially handled.
                                        i like the way u gave me that tip last night

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                                          #21
                                          I think they are secretly filming a Phil on tilt compilation to scoop the Christmas No.1

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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by rounders123 View Post
                                            I think they are secretly filming a Phil on tilt compilation to scoop the Christmas No.1
                                            on one leg since 2pm today
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                                              #23
                                              To be honest i dont know why u punt in there shops, they are not punter friendly at all i have had numerous bad episodes in spoyles. I have a boyles shop 1 min from my house would rather travel 5 mins to pp shop were staff are friendly and will do u a favour if u are a regular punter.Nearly forgot to mention that piece of shit tony that works in boyles in drogheda what a piece of work that prick is literally drove a 100 people out of that shop.
                                              location green and yellow stretford end

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by kaiser soze View Post
                                                To be honest i dont know why u punt in there shops, they are not punter friendly at all i have had numerous bad episodes in spoyles. I have a boyles shop 1 min from my house would rather travel 5 mins to pp shop were staff are friendly and will do u a favour if u are a regular punter.Nearly forgot to mention that piece of shit tony that works in boyles in drogheda what a piece of work that prick is literally drove a 100 people out of that shop.
                                                Jebus, ive nothing but good things to say about Boyles in wexford, all 3 of em.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by kaiser soze View Post
                                                  To be honest i dont know why u punt in there shops, they are not punter friendly at all i have had numerous bad episodes in spoyles. I have a boyles shop 1 min from my house would rather travel 5 mins to pp shop were staff are friendly and will do u a favour if u are a regular punter.Nearly forgot to mention that piece of shit tony that works in boyles in drogheda what a piece of work that prick is literally drove a 100 people out of that shop.
                                                  doesn't seem that bad if he gave you all lifts.....
                                                  D15 CASINO, Mulhuddart Village (opp Blanchardstown shopping centre)

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                                                    #26
                                                    Regardless of the outcome are you gonna continue to bet in their shops?
                                                    "you raise, i kill you" El Tren :{)

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                                                      #27
                                                      This carry on is madness cant believe they can get away with this I know I wont be going near boyles fwiw I read the last thread about the dogs or horses you had trouble and they do it again unreal IMO

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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by AnyAce View Post
                                                        This carry on is madness cant believe they can get away with this I know I wont be going near boyles fwiw I read the last thread about the dogs or horses you had trouble and they do it again unreal IMO
                                                        I cant believe he still punts there after the last debacle......

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                                                          #29
                                                          Would have to agree that the underlying problem should be addressed rather than these once off "goodwill" gestures.

                                                          There are rules and regulations out there to prevent bookmakers making up this crap and being the 3rd or 4th time 1 individual has had to come on about an issue (how many more punters have issues that we dont hear about) shows there is no change in practice after internal changes.

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                                                            #30
                                                            [QUOTE=Percy007;382654]I cant believe he still punts there after the last debacle......

                                                            Well thats Phils choice but he has opened my eyes and im sure a lot of other peoples and the gas thing is if it was anyone else boyles would be and probably get away with this carry on and who knows how many people get done like this and just let it be

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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by White Knight View Post
                                                              Would have to agree that the underlying problem should be addressed rather than these once off "goodwill" gestures.

                                                              There are rules and regulations out there to prevent bookmakers making up this crap and being the 3rd or 4th time 1 individual has had to come on about an issue (how many more punters have issues that we dont hear about) shows there is no change in practice after internal changes.
                                                              There is a massive problem with the the Boyles pricing displays and whats on their computers. The continuity between their tiles (screens) and what is registered on their computers is usually off by anything from 15 secs to a minute. Several times in the last few weeks I have placed match bets that when I go to collect I am told "that price was changed 35 secs previous... it was 4/5 not 5/6"... when it has actually remained 5/6 for many secs AFTER I have placed my bet. I got so sick and tired of this that now, when I place the bets, I go and stand at the screen and point directly to the price that is on display.... and say "look, 5/6". Loads of times recently the staff have come back and said "we have to ring trading because it is returning 4/5". They call trading and tell them that I have shown them the displayed price and their settlement price is wrong...... This is highly prevelant in their 'specials' market.

                                                              In ref to my Keane bet..... I was told the reason to attempt to void the wager was because the market had been suspended 2 minutes before i placed my bet. As I said earlier, I stayed in the bookies for approx 45 mins after placing the bet and if a problem existed with the bet then it should have been brought to my attention over that period.

                                                              I agree that there is a problem with their internal communication and that the bookmaker feels is fair to attempt to make the punter pay for their shortcomings.
                                                              Last edited by westlife; 13-08-11, 21:56.
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                                                                #32
                                                                If the staff check the price and initial it and process the betting slip I can't see how they can refuse to pay, unless it is a palpable error like 20/1 when the real price is 4/1.

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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Percy007 View Post
                                                                  I cant believe he still punts there after the last debacle......
                                                                  I believe they have handled this badly by attempting to void the bet. But to be fair they are doing a lot of stuff with markets that I like. They also have improved their volume of Horse Match bets (several in some races) and allow more horse racing 'after the off' bet placement time than any other firm.

                                                                  I've said it before but if you take your punting seriously then you have to use every and any advantage out there. It's all about the percentages..... and the shop staff are really nice!
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by kincsem View Post
                                                                    If the staff check the price and initial it and process the betting slip I can't see how they can refuse to pay, unless it is a palpable error like 20/1 when the real price is 4/1.
                                                                    Unlike a horse or dog race... even a football match...... this was a very specialised market. No on screen/displayed price so you have to ask the staff for a price which they check on their computer. I asked, she told me 8/1, I write the bet, she takes it, puts through the machine and I pay the dosh. 18 hours later I am told it was void! If it was the correct price was never brought into question..
                                                                    Last edited by westlife; 13-08-11, 21:47.
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      ^
                                                                      Then Boylesports are about the same as a pickpocket who takes some of you winnings in the street.

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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by kincsem View Post
                                                                        ^
                                                                        Then Boylesports are about the same as a pickpocket who takes some of you winnings in the street.
                                                                        except in your example it's illegal,
                                                                        unless law changed recently which i doubt a bet in a bookies is just a gentleman's agreement, therefore no law says that have to pay out.

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                                                                          #37
                                                                          i would mostly go to laddies,mainly for the horse match bets,they too at times seam to have a slight delay,when the main price might gos in,the match bet price would stay put for mayby 30 seconds,dont know if both markets are linked or not.think if you look at their rule book,(not ours thats for sure)think theres a something like "any bet taken in error becomes void"or words to that effect,which gives them a free run to do just about anything
                                                                          Mattie McGrath wanna-be

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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Ace View Post
                                                                            except in your example it's illegal,
                                                                            unless law changed recently which i doubt a bet in a bookies is just a gentleman's agreement, therefore no law says that have to pay out.
                                                                            correct, gentlemans agreement. The only thing you can do is put an objection against their licence. You lodge your objection when they are looking to renew their annual licence that is awarded by the court. As part of thier licence they agree to act in a fair and honest way and if the judge feels they have not, then licence is revoked and not allowed to trade.

                                                                            ...........
                                                                            sorry, there is a second thing...

                                                                            after contacting everybody in their customer services and area managers, you can get on to a forum, bitch and moan about how unfair it is, get people replying in a negative way towards them, and get a result!

                                                                            Now he just has to sign

                                                                            thanks for all the support,
                                                                            D15 CASINO, Mulhuddart Village (opp Blanchardstown shopping centre)

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                                                                              #39
                                                                              think he had till 5am tis morning to sign the dotted line(according to the mail)anyone know if he did?
                                                                              Mattie McGrath wanna-be

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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Most footie websites say a deal is done.

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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by FeetMagic View Post
                                                                                  Most footie websites say a deal is done.
                                                                                  hope so, and his misses looks like a lady that would love that lifestyle... do it Robbie FFS!
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by westlife View Post
                                                                                    hope so, and his misses looks like a lady that would love that lifestyle... do it Robbie FFS!
                                                                                    luckbox!!! u missed a 750 overlay in kildare yesterday

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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Can anyone explain to me why a punter's bets would be "restricted". The oldest law in bookmaking is "especially when they win.. get them back the next day". And, is it also unethical to restrict someone who is betting in a betting office when the other customers are not restricted!
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by westlife View Post
                                                                                        Can anyone explain to me why a punter's bets would be "restricted". The oldest law in bookmaking is "especially when they win.. get them back the next day". And, is it also unethical to restrict someone who is betting in a betting office when the other customers are not restricted!
                                                                                        this doesn't rhyme at all.

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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Solskjaer View Post
                                                                                          this doesn't rhyme at all.
                                                                                          lol...your right, in mid baba feed. Boyles trading informed me that as and from yesterday, all my bets MUST be placed before the off. Every other punter is allowed place bets for approx 14 -28 sec after the "off" (an in running thing). The screen stays green while you are allowed place a wager. But not for me! I asked them for an explanation and they refused to give me one and was just told "trading decision"
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by westlife View Post
                                                                                            lol...your right, in mid baba feed. Boyles trading informed me that as and from yesterday, all my bets MUST be placed before the off. Every other punter is allowed place bets for approx 14 -28 sec after the "off" (an in running thing). The screen stays green while you are allowed place a wager. But not for me! I asked them for an explanation and they refused to give me one and was just told "trading decision"
                                                                                            if its in a shop get some one to go in with you with your cash in their pocket, pick what you want and send them up to do it, as long as they dont see you giving the other person cash i cant see how they could stop this

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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by westlife View Post
                                                                                              Can anyone explain to me why a punter's bets would be "restricted". The oldest law in bookmaking is "especially when they win.. get them back the next day". And, is it also unethical to restrict someone who is betting in a betting office when the other customers are not restricted!
                                                                                              Because they're not charities, every bookies out there restricts customers who they don't think they will beat.

                                                                                              As to whether its ethical or not its irrelevant imo, it happens and will always happen. Personally i have no problem with it, the fact they will raise the limits for mugs and problem gamblers is a different story though ...

                                                                                              Edit to say: I'm talking about bookies in general here, not Boylesports in particular
                                                                                              Last edited by mcnugget; 15-09-11, 17:13.

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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by davidadams View Post
                                                                                                if its in a shop get some one to go in with you with your cash in their pocket, pick what you want and send them up to do it, as long as they dont see you giving the other person cash i cant see how they could stop this
                                                                                                Dont use the same shop, they will realise fairly quickly that the other punter is "putting on" and restrict him too.

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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by mcnugget View Post
                                                                                                  Dont use the same shop, they will realise fairly quickly that the other punter is "putting on" and restrict him too.
                                                                                                  only if he uses the same person each time

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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Not at all. Westlife obviously has a betting pattern that Boyles don't like, if other regular (losing) punters suddenly start having the same type of bets they will stand out fairly clearly and he will be told to fuck off away from the shop for good.

                                                                                                    Best thing is just to start using a much wider network of shops yourself and getting family/friends to put on for you in a range of different shops aswell

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                                                                                                      #51
                                                                                                      Originally posted by westlife View Post
                                                                                                      Can anyone explain to me why a punter's bets would be "restricted". The oldest law in bookmaking is "especially when they win.. get them back the next day". And, is it also unethical to restrict someone who is betting in a betting office when the other customers are not restricted!
                                                                                                      It's not uncommon. As for being unethical, no such thing in betting. Bookies are by their nature unfair.
                                                                                                      It's unfortunate that they're doing this. They obviously think watching the first 5 seconds of a race is giving you an edge over them. Pretty shitty is take this away for one person.

                                                                                                      Originally posted by mcnugget View Post
                                                                                                      Dont use the same shop, they will realise fairly quickly that the other punter is "putting on" and restrict him too.
                                                                                                      Originally posted by mcnugget View Post
                                                                                                      Best thing is just to start using a much wider network of shops yourself and getting family/friends to put on for you in a range of different shops aswell
                                                                                                      I think you need to re-read his post. How could he use a different shop or a network of people????
                                                                                                      He can still palce bets before the off, we are talking about the 20 second window that they still take bets for. It would be impossible for Phil to relay his bet to a friend in a different shop, or even beside him. He would have to be standing pretty near the counter

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                                                                                                        #52
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Mellor View Post
                                                                                                        It's not uncommon. As for being unethical, no such thing in betting. Bookies are by their nature unfair.
                                                                                                        It's unfortunate that they're doing this. They obviously think watching the first 5 seconds of a race is giving you an edge over them. Pretty shitty is take this away for one person.





                                                                                                        I think you need to re-read his post. How could he use a different shop or a network of people????
                                                                                                        He can still palce bets before the off, we are talking about the 20 second window that they still take bets for. It would be impossible for Phil to relay his bet to a friend in a different shop, or even beside him. He would have to be standing pretty near the counter
                                                                                                        yeah, this is never going to be an option for what I am looking for. I would have to invest in some "mission impossible" like equipment to make this work

                                                                                                        Their trading department have never been the sharpest tools in the box and the fact that they do this puts a wry smile on my face and a feeling of "I've won"

                                                                                                        Nope, I will just have to go to Powers (who give slightly less time) to continue. To be honest, I was in Powers yesterday and the specials and bonuses that they provide are miles better then Boyles anyway!


                                                                                                        And if my luck takes a turn, how ironic it would be to give the cash to their main competitors!
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                                                                                                          #53
                                                                                                          Out of curiosity, it is just a case of ensuring a hopeful good starter gets off to a good start (for example)

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                                                                                                            #54
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Mellor View Post
                                                                                                            I think you need to re-read his post. How could he use a different shop or a network of people????
                                                                                                            He can still palce bets before the off, we are talking about the 20 second window that they still take bets for. It would be impossible for Phil to relay his bet to a friend in a different shop, or even beside him. He would have to be standing pretty near the counter
                                                                                                            Yeah sorry thought he was being restricted in general

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                                                                                                              #55
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Mellor View Post
                                                                                                              Out of curiosity, it is just a case of ensuring a hopeful good starter gets off to a good start (for example)
                                                                                                              not at all, there are many things to be looking out for.

                                                                                                              In flat racing: breaking from stalls (sprints) and settling (longer races) is vital.
                                                                                                              Jump racing: obviously meeting the first couple of fences well and settling

                                                                                                              In all races (except sprints) the 'rhythm' the horse gets into is paramount. Too free, you don't get home... niggling early.. it's a long way home!

                                                                                                              Every horse has his own way of travelling in a race. It's important that you know the makeup of the horse... ie If you back a horse that has not settled in his last couple of races and you see him/her switch off nicely, this makes a massive difference to the chances of a win. In a chase, if a horse has not been jumping cleanly in his last couple of runs and you see him/her pinging fences and travelling, again a massive advantage to that horse's chance. Many years ago I performed horse racing commentary, so I feel I have a good eye to take this information on board very quickly.
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                                                                                                                #56
                                                                                                                just as a matter of intrest,why not ply your trade on betfair type sites,where you can back/lay during a race?
                                                                                                                Mattie McGrath wanna-be

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                                                                                                                  #57
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by amberleaf View Post
                                                                                                                  just as a matter of intrest,why not ply your trade on betfair type sites,where you can back/lay during a race?
                                                                                                                  because this is the biggest "no no" of all! The delays of the signal are equal (between the bookie and punter) when standing in the shop because everybody is looking at the same stream. But the betfair "in Running" is a mine field. You are about 7-9 secs (at least) behind the live racing. This amount of time behind the action would be suicide to take on.

                                                                                                                  A couple of years ago I went to Wolverhampton Racecourse and a track official told me that a select few had block booked the Holiday Inn rooms (hotel overlooks the race course) that are looking on to the track. These guys then where making a killing on the in running market from the track. Some places (in Dublin) are now providing high speed streams from the tracks... not really a thing i am keen to get into... And the commission is tough!
                                                                                                                  D15 CASINO, Mulhuddart Village (opp Blanchardstown shopping centre)

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                                                                                                                    #58
                                                                                                                    I could be wrong but afaik the screens in the brick & mortars are even further behind than everywhere else!

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                                                                                                                      #59
                                                                                                                      'brick and mortar' bookies have SIS/TTV, whos pictures are faster than ATR/RUK.

                                                                                                                      Another thing to consider is that as of last year sometime, Irish bets placed on Betfair are considered international, which means they are processed differently to bets placed in the UK. This results is the bets being slightly slower to process on betfair, which is something to consider when betting IR from Ireland

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                                                                                                                        #60
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Raheny Red View Post
                                                                                                                        I could be wrong but afaik the screens in the brick & mortars are even further behind than everywhere else!
                                                                                                                        Your wrong. The bookies screen is the quickest connection availible. It's not cheap.
                                                                                                                        As Phil said, delay isn't an issue, in shop they both view on the same screen.

                                                                                                                        But watching it over digital at home is a huge delay, cable slightly less so. You are losing a massive edge here verses trackside or the big punters with private SIS

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