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    Very Early in Low Stakes Super Stack Tourney

    Ok I play cash the vast majority of times but decided I'd probably have a small edge in a low stakes super stack tourney..could do with a bit of help on this spot


    Full Tilt Poker Game #22220264000: Super Stack $15K Guarantee (171469349), Table 100 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:11:35 ET - 2010/07/10
    Seat 1: PJ_Maverick (4,550)
    Seat 2: DrRogerGold (4,930)
    Seat 3: HERO (5,180)
    Seat 4: Mr Rendmig (5,000)
    Seat 5: VILLAIN (5,260)
    Seat 6: ChumpChomper (4,720)
    Seat 7: jean techa (5,450)
    Seat 8: RunningDizzl (4,970)
    Seat 9: kinggriff19 (4,950)
    VILLAIN posts the small blind of 10
    ChumpChomper posts the big blind of 20
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to SligeachBoi [Qd Qs]
    jean techa folds
    RunningDizzl folds
    kinggriff19 calls 20
    PJ_Maverick calls 20
    DrRogerGold folds
    HERO raises to 110
    VILLAIN calls 100

    ChumpChomper has 15 seconds left to act
    ChumpChomper folds
    kinggriff19 calls 90
    PJ_Maverick has 15 seconds left to act
    PJ_Maverick folds
    *** FLOP *** [Jc 3d 4h]
    VILLAIN checks
    kinggriff19 checks
    HERO has 15 seconds left to act
    HERO bets 200
    VILLAIN has 15 seconds left to act
    VILLAIN raises to 620

    kinggriff19 folds
    HERO has 15 seconds left to act
    HERO calls 420

    *** TURN *** [Jc 3d 4h] [Jh]
    VILLAIN bets 1,250

    HERO??

    I've taken some very valuable info from this hand and will use it in future low stakes deep/super stack tourneys but am just looking for others' opinions on this.
    Pining for Wa'erford

    #2
    when he raises the flop I would ship it over him. at low stakes you can expect some donk to stack off with Jx.


    fold the turn though

    edit sorry didnt see stack sizes - id raise flop to circa 1500

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      #3
      Originally posted by Bubbleking View Post
      when he raises the flop I would ship it over him. at low stakes you can expect some donk to stack off with Jx.


      fold the turn though
      I have a response to this post but will allow a few more posts to come back before I do.

      Cheers
      Pining for Wa'erford

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        #4
        Originally posted by sligboi View Post
        I have a response to this post but will allow a few more posts to come back before I do.

        Cheers
        there is merrit to flatting and raising a safe turn I just dont think you need to get tricky at lower stakes

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          #5
          Originally posted by Bubbleking View Post
          there is merrit to flatting and raising a safe turn I just dont think you need to get tricky at lower stakes
          tbf this is exactly what my response was..as it's out there I might as well respond to the point about my flop flat.

          I'm in position obv and I don't want to risk my entire stack in a tourney where I feel I have an edge w/ one pair. I really don't mind calling and re-evaluating on the turn IP. The main reason I have asked for analysis of this hand is that I think the jack is a very interesting card to come especially in reference to his action on the flop and turn.

          Cheers again
          Pining for Wa'erford

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            #6
            u put him in and he has AK and hits a K? Sorry it was me!

            On a serious note, thats a horrible turn but im still stacking of cause im a donkey. His line is very strong on the flop but i think he does this with alot of hands if he's in any way decent to find out where he is. Turn is horrbile and he leads puke. Would be easier if you had history with him. Put him on pockets also and call. I Can't find that fold button ever . Drunken analysis ftw.

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              #7
              Originally posted by J10spades View Post
              Drunken analysis ftw.
              Better than drunken play tbf
              Pining for Wa'erford

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                #8
                Originally posted by sligboi View Post
                Better than drunken play tbf
                Thats were legends are made.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by J10spades View Post
                  u put him in and he has AK and hits a K? Sorry it was me!

                  On a serious note, thats a horrible turn but im still stacking of cause im a donkey. His line is very strong on the flop but i think he does this with alot of hands if he's in any way decent to find out where he is. Turn is horrbile and he leads puke. Would be easier if you had history with him. Put him on pockets also and call. I Can't find that fold button ever . Drunken analysis ftw.
                  Drunken counter

                  the range of hands he has that raise that flop and continue on that turn that we beat = 0%

                  cliffs.

                  fold turn as played

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                    #10
                    I beg to differ. Most donks dont slow down when you call their check raise and continue to barrell one pair like its the nuts when you have the nuts. You have indicated a big hand, but they dont see that.. if you get me. The check call imo is stronger than the check raise. The turn lead is way too big, why does he pot it?. The question is what does he put you on? Does he think you are stong and going for max value or does he think he can get you off your hand? Take a look at the bet sizing, thats what i'd be going on.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by J10spades View Post
                      I beg to differ. Most donks dont slow down when you call their check raise and continue to barrell one pair like its the nuts when you have the nuts. You have indicated a big hand, but they dont see that.. if you get me. The check call imo is stronger than the check raise. The turn lead is way too big, why does he pot it?. The question is what does he put you on? Does he think you are stong and going for max value or does he think he can get you off your hand? Take a look at the bet sizing, thats what i'd be going on.
                      im putting myself in the mind of the villain this is what iv come up with

                      preflop - oh pretty cards call

                      flop - OMG tp - raise the sh!t out of that mo fo

                      turn - ZOMG - trips bet pot baby

                      he has no idea what you have nor does he care

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                        #12
                        @ BK theres many hand he could be taking this line with(slowplayed AA/KK most pocket pairs j10+ and some random draws and bluffs). The bet sizing is all over the place. He does turn up with a jack alot here. Could the Jack be a good card and not a scare card sometimes though?

                        Put this one to bed SligoBoi, want to go to bed and give up poker forever.

                        EDIT - why did i bother posting in the first place, i'm a mess and a fish. FML

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by J10spades View Post
                          Put this one to bed SligoBoi, want to go to bed and give up poker forever.

                          EDIT - why did i bother posting in the first place, i'm a mess and a fish. FML
                          Will prob leave it until tomorrow to give results and bump it before I do.

                          Cheers for posting fella..it's all appreciated
                          Pining for Wa'erford

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                            #14
                            I'm locked but I'm not the only one by the look of things!

                            Call flop and shove turn. Apart from a Q coming on the turn, the J is the next best card imo.

                            It's very rare that anyone is going to be full pot on turn, if they are strong. I shove 100% without read. I'm calling flop to shove a blank turn...J is a blank imo.


                            @J10spades: if you didn't post it would be up to no hopers like me!

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                              #15
                              Bump
                              Pining for Wa'erford

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                                #16
                                You have to fold the turn. He has a jack a lot of the time here and you cant reload. Its only level 1. I pause and fold turn with a smile showing QQ. It creates a nice image you can exploit later on.
                                Carl Sagan - Pale Blue Dot

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                                  #17
                                  Flat the checkraise, it's 100% a fold now.

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                                    #18
                                    Looks fine to me. Flop bet a bit on the small side.
                                    Fold now without more info. on villain.
                                    Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by JamieCarra View Post
                                      Flat the checkraise, it's 100% a fold now.
                                      Yeah this obv. 3betting this flop or raising the turn would be absolutely criminally bad with these stacks.
                                      Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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                                        #20
                                        Full Tilt Poker Game #22220264000: Super Stack $15K Guarantee (171469349), Table 100 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:11:35 ET - 2010/07/10
                                        Seat 1: PJ_Maverick (4,550)
                                        Seat 2: DrRogerGold (4,930)
                                        Seat 3: HERO (5,180)
                                        Seat 4: Mr Rendmig (5,000)
                                        Seat 5: VILLAIN (5,260)
                                        Seat 6: ChumpChomper (4,720)
                                        Seat 7: jean techa (5,450)
                                        Seat 8: RunningDizzl (4,970)
                                        Seat 9: kinggriff19 (4,950)
                                        BuKse posts the small blind of 10
                                        ChumpChomper posts the big blind of 20
                                        The button is in seat #3
                                        *** HOLE CARDS ***
                                        Dealt to HERO [Qd Qs]
                                        jean techa folds
                                        RunningDizzl folds
                                        kinggriff19 calls 20
                                        PJ_Maverick calls 20
                                        DrRogerGold folds
                                        HERO raises to 110
                                        VILLAIN calls 100
                                        ChumpChomper has 15 seconds left to act
                                        ChumpChomper folds
                                        kinggriff19 calls 90
                                        PJ_Maverick has 15 seconds left to act
                                        PJ_Maverick folds
                                        *** FLOP *** [Jc 3d 4h]
                                        VILLAIN checks
                                        kinggriff19 checks
                                        HERO has 15 seconds left to act
                                        HERO bets 200
                                        VILLAIN has 15 seconds left to act
                                        VILLAIN raises to 620
                                        kinggriff19 folds
                                        HERO has 15 seconds left to act
                                        HERO calls 420
                                        *** TURN *** [Jc 3d 4h] [Jh]
                                        VILLAIN bets 1,250
                                        HERO has 15 seconds left to act
                                        HERO folds
                                        Uncalled bet of 1,250 returned to VILLAIN
                                        VILLAIN shows [Ts 5s] a pair of Jacks
                                        VILLAIN wins the pot (1,610)
                                        *** SUMMARY ***
                                        Total pot 1,610 | Rake 0
                                        Board: [Jc 3d 4h Jh]
                                        Seat 1: PJ_Maverick folded before the Flop
                                        Seat 2: DrRogerGold didn't bet (folded)
                                        Seat 3: HERO (button) folded on the Turn
                                        Seat 4: Mr Rendmig is sitting out
                                        Seat 5: VILLAIN (small blind) collected (1,610)
                                        Seat 6: ChumpChomper (big blind) folded before the Flop
                                        Seat 7: jean techa didn't bet (folded)
                                        Seat 8: RunningDizzl didn't bet (folded)
                                        Seat 9: kinggriff19 folded on the Flop
                                        Pining for Wa'erford

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                                          #21
                                          Moral of the story, just because they rep it don't mean they have it. Don't have to give up poker now phew.

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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by sligboi View Post
                                            I've taken some very valuable info from this hand and will use it in future low stakes deep/super stack tourneys but am just looking for others' opinions on this.
                                            Not sure if you're taking the valuable info in the right way or not. You played the hand fine and are always folding the turn without strong reads/history. Villain actually took a good line on a dry flop and his range is weighted to sets or Jx hands a tonne of the time. The fact he showed you the bluff just means he's a lag fish...make a note and move on, but do not start calling down in these spots!
                                            It's all an illusion

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