Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Roll it there Roisín

[Kayroo]

Jack and Denny - this system was designed by the US for the benefit of the US and for seven decades has guaranteed the US remains as the global leader on trade, finance, diplomacy, military power and soft power. It has allowed them to open any market they wish save for one or two notable exceptions.

The only way the US could lose their pre-eminence outside a devastating war would be if the relative percentages of global reserve currencies shifted hard against them or if they voluntarily gave up their position at the centre of the most sophisticated international system ever designed.

So, tell me again, how does dismantling that system - a system the Soviet Union spent 50 years trying to destroy - helps the United States?

[jack90210]

Originally Posted by Kayroo

Jack and Denny - this system was designed by the US for the benefit of the US and for seven decades has guaranteed the US remains as the global leader on trade, finance, diplomacy, military power and soft power. It has allowed them to open any market they wish save for one or two notable exceptions.

The only way the US could lose their pre-eminence outside a devastating war would be if the relative percentages of global reserve currencies shifted hard against them or if they voluntarily gave up their position at the centre of the most sophisticated international system ever designed.

So, tell me again, how does dismantling that system - a system the Soviet Union spent 50 years trying to destroy - helps the United States?

Increasing free trade is the goal. Canada for example charge 270% tariffs on milk products https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ump-off-at-g-7 It is actually President Trumps duty as the President to fight back against that. Increasing tariffs will bring the countries with unfair tariff regimes to the negotiation tables so that a deal can be made.

[Frank Gibney]

Originally Posted by bohsman

Draw for World Cup sweepstake here - http://www.irishpokerboards.com/foru...98&postcount=1

[Kayroo]

Originally Posted by jack90210

Increasing free trade is the goal. Canada for example charge 270% tariffs on milk products https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ump-off-at-g-7 It is actually President Trumps duty as the President to fight back against that. Increasing tariffs will bring the countries with unfair tariff regimes to the negotiation tables so that a deal can be made.

1. How is that tariff unfair in the broader context of their trade relationship?
2. How does this approach benefit the United States as a whole?
3. Why is the goal of increasing free trade axiomatically a positive?

[Kayroo]

Jesus Jack that article you cited doesn’t even support your position, it supports mine.

The US has a trade surplus with Canada on milk and only pays that tariff on milk above the agreed quota. The tariffs are effectively a milk subsidy like the subsidies the US gives its dairy farmers except done in a different way. This decision by Trump was even dumber than I thought, good article!

[Solksjaer!]

Originally Posted by Kayroo

1. How is that tariff unfair in the broader context of their trade relationship?
2. How does this approach benefit the United States as a whole?
3. Why is the goal of increasing free trade axiomatically a positive?

Denny won't like you using his word against Trump . (Damian Thorn)

[jack90210]

Originally Posted by Kayroo

Jesus Jack that article you cited doesn’t even support your position, it supports mine.

The US has a trade surplus with Canada on milk and only pays that tariff on milk above the agreed quota. The tariffs are effectively a milk subsidy like the subsidies the US gives its dairy farmers except done in a different way. This decision by Trump was even dumber than I thought, good article!

The US model subsidies the farmer directly, the Canadian model punishes US importers. It is a subtle and important difference. Trudeau has a big interest in protecting his milk racket as 80% of the dairy farmers are in his powerbase (if he still has one). Interesting that President Trump has targeted that in particular.

[Strewelpeter]

Originally Posted by jack90210

Increasing free trade is the goal. Canada for example charge 270% tariffs on milk products https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ump-off-at-g-7 It is actually President Trumps duty as the President to fight back against that. Increasing tariffs will bring the countries with unfair tariff regimes to the negotiation tables so that a deal can be made.

I think you don't actually understand the article you linked

[Emmet]

Thoughts on US sugar jack?

[ArmaniJeans]

Originally Posted by Frank Gibney

Dream draw, destiny that they win it for you now.

[Keane]

There's some great stuff on twitter about tomorrow's cover of the Sun in the UK. In fairness, it's very funny - the fact that their readership apparently has no idea that they are having the piss taken out of them is a bit depressing though.

[Keane]

The Loch Ness monster, a seagull and some sheep are my favourite bits #RuleBrittania

[Strewelpeter]

that is amazing

[luckforsome]

...Just realised that the summit begins in just under 2 hours...Think I'll have to stay awake and watch it...I'm so intrigued to see how this plays out...How do people think it'll play out... Part of me thinks it'll be all nice and happy, nothing major achieved and both will come out claiming victory...Another part of me thinks Kim will laugh at him and fire a missile in a few hours lol...Likely not but it'll be hilarious if he does another test...
...I also kinda fear that Trump is in a shite mood, is a prick to him and that'll be that, Kim goes all out crazy...

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Originally Posted by Raoul Duke III

Well, it's less open now so I guess I would be tempted!

Hard to measure though?

UNCTAD has a yearly average of trade barriers afair from my days delivering an International Finance course. It's very openly available and measurable.

[Frank Gibney]

Originally Posted by Strewelpeter

that is amazing

Late to the party, but welcome nonetheless Tony.

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[Raoul Duke III]

I see the strains of trying to be Trump's lead man on trade are potentially life-damaging. (although the years of coke abuse could be a factor too)

Careful Denny and jack!

[ComradeCollie]

Originally Posted by Raoul Duke III

I see the strains of trying to be Trump's lead man on trade are potentially life-damaging. (although the years of coke abuse could be a factor too)

Careful Denny and jack!

Jeez, if you can't have a heart attack when you're 70 without slagging, when can you have one

[Kayroo]

It appears the US-North Korea Agreement wasn't exactly groundbreaking.

The US gave North Korea significant security guarantees but North Korea gave the US absolutely nothing they hadn't already agreed to with South Korea in April.

A win for North Korea to be sure. A PR win for Trump maybe, although substantively he hasn't really achieved anything. In fact he probably proved the last 10 US Presidents right for refusing to negotiate with the regime unless certain pre-conditions were met as they didn't believe a summit could achieve anything meaningful without them.

Still I'm sure it'll be portrayed as some form of success by the administration.

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