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Old 14-10-10, 02:15   #1
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1/2 live 5 omaha

Hand 1.

I am playing roughly 320 my hand is AKJ7 on a board of AKJ and i pot for 30 then villian makes 140 (he covers me ) .

Get it in or fold ????

Hand 2

My hand is Kd 5d 5s 2s and the board is 3d 4d 7s . Utg opens for 75 , i have 255 with 1 player behind (140)

Get it in , flat or fold ???
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Old 14-10-10, 03:15   #2
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fold

Dont play that hand pre. Probably folding, close
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Old 14-10-10, 04:22   #3
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H1: Fold. also, he can't make it 140 if its plo,

H2: Much closer, I might call depending on the player, fold is good, call if average live player
fold pre btw,
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Old 14-10-10, 09:04   #4
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Fold,I'd have checked the flop and seen what developed behind.
Fold, none of your draws are to the nuts.With the pot being €75 you've obviously called a raise oop with a junk hand which is going to be a major leak.What are you hoping to flop?

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Old 14-10-10, 09:12   #5
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Hand 1 : Fold. You're killing your own outs by having 3 pair. Also makes it less likely the villain is doing it with a set so it's usually always Q10. Would probably fold pre but don't know the action/position.

Hand 2 : I fold aswel but i'd also be folding pre with this junk. You're not drawing to the nuts and up against an UTG that's probably not folding and might have you crushed
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Old 14-10-10, 09:33   #6
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Hand 1 standard fold as your killing some of your outs

Hand 2 how did utg open for €75 did you call a raise with that junk pre? In fairness if you called with that junk your not going to see much better flops than that for your hand however I fold as sirttoyou says we are not drawing to the nuts

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Old 14-10-10, 10:40   #7
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Hand 1 : Fold. You're killing your own outs by having 3 pair.
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Hand 1 standard fold as your killing some of your outs
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Old 14-10-10, 10:58   #8
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considering that your don't know what to do in hand 1, i'd snap shove hand 2 if i was you
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Old 14-10-10, 11:23   #9
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Hand 1 : Fold. You're killing your own outs by having 3 pair.
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Hand 1 standard fold as your killing some of your outs
These outs make no difference to our chance of making a boat anyway!! If anything its better because there are only 3 combos of him having a set now, so his most likely hand is the nuts.
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Old 14-10-10, 11:44   #10
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These outs make no difference to our chance of making a boat anyway!! If anything its better because there are only 3 combos of him having a set now, so his most likely hand is the nuts.
Lol, 3 pair actually gives more boat outs, 6 on flop instead of 4.

Think what flushdraw was saying was the fact wehave the 3rd pair, we should now more heavily weight villian towards a straight as less likey to have JJxx type hands, but were still just as bad (actually worse) a dogg against JJxx anyhows.

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Old 14-10-10, 11:59   #11
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H1 is a very easy fold.
I'm leaning towards a call in H2 but these hands always get me into trouble.
Suffice to say, I wouldnt have found meself in such a big pot with this holding.
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Old 14-10-10, 12:21   #12
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Fold both hands now. I'd fold the second one pre-flop but call with the AKJ7 one. What the lads mean by killing our outs is that by having 3 pair instead of a set we have 6 outs instead of 7 so a 4% downswing in our chances of winning. Not huge, but defintely significant.

Hand 1: I don't mind the lead out too much if it's a weak game as you'll only get called/raised by the nuts or a set so you've a fair chance of just taking down the pot. Easy fold to a re-raise as you need 3/1 minimum to validate a call (and opponent will hardly pay u off if you hit the house). If he has Q10 there's also a very high chance he has at least one of our out cards.

Hand 2: Just drop it pre-flop unless you're extremely comfortable in reading the other players' hands and will be able to semi-bluff them off hands later. You're not playing this hand to hit the flop hard. (Although if it was me vs you, no doubt I'd flop quads or nut flush!! )
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Old 14-10-10, 12:30   #13
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Fold both. Fold hand 2 pre. Flatting almost 1/3 of our stack, while we are also turning our hand more or less face up is pretty terrible imo in hand 2. We dont have any FE it seems too.

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Old 14-10-10, 12:39   #14
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Old 14-10-10, 14:26   #15
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These outs make no difference to our chance of making a boat anyway!! If anything its better because there are only 3 combos of him having a set now, so his most likely hand is the nuts.
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Lol, 3 pair actually gives more boat outs, 6 on flop instead of 4.

Think what flushdraw was saying was the fact wehave the 3rd pair, we should now more heavily weight villian towards a straight as less likey to have JJxx type hands, but were still just as bad (actually worse) a dogg against JJxx anyhows.
Lol early typing FTL, what i should have said is hand 1 narrows villians range somewhat!! I am banning myself from all future comments on HH's
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Old 14-10-10, 14:42   #16
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Lol early typing FTL, what i should have said is hand 1 narrows villians range somewhat!! I am banning myself from all future comments on HH's
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Old 14-10-10, 14:50   #17
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Pre is your big mistake in both hands imo, esp hand 2.

Hand 1 is a super easy fold and 2 is a fold too. Pre is god awful in both cases though imo.
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Pre is your big mistake in both hands imo, esp hand 2.

Hand 1 is a super easy fold and 2 is a fold too. Pre is god awful in both cases though imo.
Although we don't know the exact preflop action in hand 1 (position etc.), pre is good. In fact, folding this pre is sooooo nitty.
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Old 14-10-10, 15:59   #19
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Although we don't know the exact preflop action in hand 1 (position etc.), pre is good. In fact, folding this pre is sooooo nitty.
Well I am a nit.

But is it really bad to fold AKJ7 with no suits?

(PLO noob btw)
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Old 14-10-10, 16:04   #20
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AKJ7r is not the best hand by any means, if its suited up though it's pretty handy
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