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    Yeah 55bb/100 is a pretty spectacular number on first glance. Your SB winrate is comparatively great but you apparently never steal from the SB. It's very hard to tell where the disparity is.

    I guess it has to be your play in 3bet pots oop. What hands are you 3bet bluffing with? What's your fold to 4bet?

    Other comments: Glad to see you've stopped open limping UTG. Open waaay up in CO and start stealing from the SB at least a little. You're losing tons of value.
    "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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      have a look around this site.

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        Bluff or value bet?

        Prob a value bet vs me


        $0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
        iPoker
        2 Players
        Hand Conversion Powered by http://weaktight.com/

        Stacks:
        Hero $201.20
        BB $432.75

        Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 2 players) Hero is SB Ad 4d
        Hero raises to $4, BB calls $3

        Flop: As Ah 6c ($8, 2 players)
        BB bets $8, Hero calls $8

        Turn: 9d ($24, 2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $16, BB calls $16

        River: 6d ($56, 2 players)
        BB bets $404.75, Hero calls $173.20

        Final Pot: $633.95
        BB shows
        6h 5s

        Hero wins $401.40 (net +$200.20)

        BB collects $231.55 (net -$201.20)

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          Just made a lovely hand read and value bet that I wanted to brag about. When he minraised pre and checked the flop, I thought, "This is QQ or JJ, I bet he'll call a thin value bet". Really happy with my play here.


          Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

          SB ($49.90)
          BB ($50.75)
          UTG ($58.05)
          MP ($71.15)
          CO ($62)
          Hero (Button) ($50.25)

          Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, A
          3 folds, Hero bets $1.50, SB raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50

          Flop: ($6.50) A, K, 10 (2 players)
          SB checks, Hero checks

          Turn: ($6.50) 4 (2 players)
          SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4

          River: ($14.50) 4 (2 players)
          SB checks, Hero bets $9, SB calls $9

          Total pot: $32.50 | Rake: $1.60

          Results:
          Hero had 7, A (two pair, Aces and fours).
          SB had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and fours).
          Outcome: Hero won $30.90
          "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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            No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

            Hero (BB) ($175.25)
            SB ($321.20)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 10
            SB bets $2.50, Hero raises $10, SB calls $8

            Flop: ($22) J, 5, 8 (2 players)
            Hero bets $17, SB calls $17

            Turn: ($56) 9 (2 players)
            Hero checks, SB checks

            River: ($56) 5 (2 players)
            Hero checks, SB bets $37, Hero raises $147.25 (All-In), SB calls $110.25

            Total pot: $350.50

            Results:
            SB had 6, J (two pair, Jacks and fives).
            Hero had 7, 10 (straight, Jack high).
            Outcome: Hero won $349.50


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              cant express enough love for the line in the hand above ^^^^^^ WP sir

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                Is my turn play a mess here?

                No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                Hero (BB) ($23.91)
                UTG ($30.71)
                MP ($20.35)
                CO ($17.08)
                Button ($20.20)
                SB ($20)

                Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 6
                UTG bets $0.60, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.40

                Flop: ($1.30) 8, 4, 2 (2 players)
                Hero checks, UTG bets $1, Hero raises $3.22, UTG calls $2.22

                Turn: ($7.74) 3 (2 players)
                Hero bets $3.87, UTG raises $10, Hero calls $6.13

                River: ($27.74) 5 (2 players)
                Hero bets $10.09 (All-In), UTG calls $10.09

                Total pot: $47.92

                Villain is aggro

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                  Originally posted by emmet02 View Post
                  Is my turn play a mess here?

                  No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                  Hero (BB) ($23.91)
                  UTG ($30.71)
                  MP ($20.35)
                  CO ($17.08)
                  Button ($20.20)
                  SB ($20)

                  Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 6
                  UTG bets $0.60, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.40

                  Flop: ($1.30) 8, 4, 2 (2 players)
                  Hero checks, UTG bets $1, Hero raises $3.22, UTG calls $2.22

                  Turn: ($7.74) 3 (2 players)
                  Hero bets $3.87, UTG raises $10, Hero calls $6.13

                  River: ($27.74) 5 (2 players)
                  Hero bets $10.09 (All-In), UTG calls $10.09

                  Total pot: $47.92

                  Villain is aggro

                  the flop cr and turn bet are standard, good sizing id say. Once he raises its just simple pot odds, you need to call 6.13 to win 7.64 +13.87 = 21.51 (i think). You have a presumed 12 outs so you need about 3:1 to call (again i think) which you have more than so call. He never folds to a shove so i wouldnt do that, so call. You don't even need any implied odds, which is cool. As to what to do on the river, i dunno. Shove is prob better than cc since he's never bluffing so he'll never fold but i suppose there is some small chance he'll check back.

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                    What hand do you put villain on here?

                    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                    MP ($21.90)
                    CO ($20.30)
                    Hero (Button) ($29.92)
                    SB ($19.83)
                    BB ($18.36)
                    UTG ($23.78)

                    Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, A
                    3 folds, Hero bets $0.70, SB calls $0.60, 1 fold

                    Flop: ($1.60) 6, 9, 8 (2 players)
                    SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB raises $3.20, Hero calls $2

                    Turn: ($8) Q (2 players)
                    SB checks, Hero bets $3.80, SB calls $3.80

                    River: ($15.60) K (2 players)
                    SB bets $7.80, Hero folds

                    Total pot: $15.60

                    Results:
                    SB didn't show
                    Outcome: SB won $22.62

                    Villain plays 20/15 from the SB Aggression of 5.7.
                    This is his first check raise in 1000 hands

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                      Before you bet that flop you need to know what his check raising range is. If it's 2pr+ and he will c/c draws than you b/f. If it's a mix of draws and 2pr+ or you don't have a solid idea of what his range is than it's often best to check it back rather than bet and get check/raised and put in a tough spot against a fairly balanced range where a lot of turn cards are hard decisions for you.

                      Seems like on the turn you thought he had a lot of draws in his range so you decided to value bet? Personally I wouldn't because you're helping the villain balance his ranges. He can c/r again and you're stuck in the same spot as you put yourself on the flop, you're facing a range of strong hands and draws and you've no idea what your equity is. You can avoid this by either a) checking it back b) knowing what he will do with the different parts of his range when facing a bet.

                      If it's b) than you can chose your action well. If he will c/r a decent mix of draws and monsters then you check it back. If he will c/c draws and c/r monster then you b/f (see what you're doing here, you're only betting if he will play an unbalanced range versus your bet). If he will c/r his draws and c/c his monsters (unlikely) then you b/c or b/shove. If it's a) and you've no idea then you keep the pot small and allow yourself to gather more information on the river.

                      On the river in the actual hand, every draw under the sun missed, the King is unlikely to have hit him unless he has like K9 or K7 or AK (which in itself is unlikely) and some (read: most bad) players are liable to make a last ditch donk bluff when their draws miss so I think the river is an easy call.

                      Poker is easier when you force your opponents to unbalance their ranges.

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                        Line Check.
                        Villain is a very bad reg: 26/9/1.71 and running -54bb/100 over 50k hands.... all at 100NL.
                        He is a mixture of a calling station and a maniac.


                        No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                        SB ($114.45)
                        BB ($243.60)
                        UTG ($123.50)
                        Hero (MP) ($99.75)
                        Button ($168.20)

                        Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K
                        1 fold, Hero bets $3, 2 folds, BB calls $2

                        Flop: ($6.50) 5, Q, 4 (2 players)
                        BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises $10, Hero raises $25, BB calls $20

                        Turn: ($66.50) A (2 players)
                        BB checks, Hero checks

                        River: ($66.50) 2 (2 players)
                        BB bets $30, Hero calls $30

                        Total pot: $126.50

                        Results:
                        BB had Q, A (two pair, Aces and Queens).
                        Hero had K, K (one pair, Kings).
                        Outcome: BB won $123.50


                        I probably should have folded the river. At the time I was thinking he'd do this with QK and a FD as well as hands I'm behind. But more I think of it, I reckon the busted fd would have bet much bigger.

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                          AA...dung

                          Sigh

                          No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (3 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                          SB ($119.73)
                          Hero (BB) ($101.15)
                          Button ($174.39)

                          Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
                          Button bets $3, 1 fold, Hero raises $10, Button raises $19, Hero calls $11

                          Flop: ($44.50) 2, J, 9 (2 players)
                          Hero checks, Button bets $18, Hero raises $79.15 (All-In), Button calls $61.15

                          Turn: ($202.80) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

                          River: ($202.80) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

                          Total pot: $202.80

                          Results:
                          Button had K, J (straight, King high).
                          Hero had A, A (one pair, Aces).
                          Outcome: Button won $200.80


                          And simultaneously on another table....uber-sigh


                          No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                          BB ($279.96)
                          MP ($137.02)
                          SB ($113.65)
                          Hero (CO) ($182.25)
                          UTG ($41.70)
                          Button ($119.57)

                          Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A
                          2 folds, Hero bets $3, Button raises $5, SB calls $4.50, BB calls $4, Hero raises $22, Button calls $20, 1 fold, BB raises $40, Hero raises $40, Button raises $60, BB calls $40, Hero raises $117.25 (All-In), Button calls $34.57 (All-In), BB calls $97.25

                          Flop: ($489.07) 8, 2, 2 (3 players, 2 all-in)

                          Turn: ($489.07) K (3 players, 2 all-in)

                          River: ($489.07) 8 (3 players, 2 all-in)

                          Total pot: $489.07

                          Results:
                          Button had 9, 8 (full house, eights over twos).
                          BB had 6, 6 (two pair, eights and sixes).
                          Hero had A, A (two pair, Aces and eights).
                          Outcome: Button won $360.71, Hero won $125.36

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                            2nd hand is ill bob

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                              Originally posted by RoadSweeper View Post
                              2nd hand is ill bob
                              Hand was ill enough but at least I won the side pot Apart from the hand what really pissed me off was the guy in the sb was a nitty ratholing reg. Doofus proced to donate 400bbs to him over next 30-40 hands. Then he quit and nitty ratholer scurried away to his rathole - he's probably already cashed it out and is rubbing my $$ on his T1TT1Es as I type this. I'm left wondering how I can end up down at a table with an 89/26 and a 94/48 As an aside I can never remember 8bet shipping before

                              Just in case you read this Buchan that is not hyperbole

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                                LMAO I played 1k hands today. Got dealt AA 8 times which was great. Won blinds 4 times and 4 went to the flop. The two above and these two. And they hit me with the runner runner in the one I lay down just to rub it in. Fk you poker gods

                                No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                SB ($110.50)
                                Hero (BB) ($101)

                                Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
                                SB bets $2.50, Hero raises $9, SB raises $20, Hero raises $26, SB raises $87.50 (All-In), Hero calls $65 (All-In)

                                Flop: ($202) J, Q, 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

                                Turn: ($202) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

                                River: ($202) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

                                Total pot: $202

                                Results:
                                SB had K, A (straight, Ace high).
                                Hero had A, A (one pair, Aces).
                                Outcome: SB won $210.50



                                No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                Button ($100)
                                SB ($171.42)
                                Hero (UTG) ($161.80)
                                MP ($58.33)
                                BB ($100)

                                Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
                                Hero bets $3, MP calls $3, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold

                                Flop: ($10) 8, 6, 7 (3 players)
                                SB checks, Hero bets $6, MP raises $55.33 (All-In), SB calls $55.33, Hero folds

                                Turn: ($126.66) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

                                River: ($126.66) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

                                Total pot: $126.66

                                Results:
                                SB had 4, 5 (straight, eight high).
                                MP didn't show
                                Outcome: SB won $123.66

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                                  Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 4.4 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                  saw flop | saw showdown

                                  Button (t2225)
                                  SB (t2765)
                                  Hero (BB) (t4680)
                                  UTG (t5045)
                                  UTG+1 (t2615)
                                  MP1 (t3920)
                                  MP2 (t2290)
                                  MP3 (t3339)
                                  CO (t11595)

                                  Hero's M: 31.20

                                  Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
                                  UTG calls t100, 6 folds, SB calls t50, Hero bets t400, UTG calls t300, 1 fold

                                  Flop: (t900) K, 5, K (2 players)
                                  Hero bets t600, UTG raises to t2100, Hero raises to t4280 (All-In), 1 fold



                                  Should I be flatting villian's flop raise here?
                                  May you live in interesting times!

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                                    Of course.
                                    Originally posted by ArmaniJeans
                                    I like this heat - some proper music innit.
                                    None of the 'black disabled lesbian warbling backwards' stuff that the other players inflicted on me.

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                                      Could someone define the term "Lockdown board" for me?

                                      Like is 678r a lockdown board where its hard for someone to have decent equity against the nuts. Or AAJ 2tone. As opposed to say a K82r which is simply a dry board. Not too sure that I really understand the term correctly

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                                        thoughts? Did I wuss out again on the river?

                                        VPIP: 13 PFR: 13 STL: 29 3BT: 8
                                        AGGF: 5.00 CBET: 57 F2CBET: - Hands: 135

                                        Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                        Hero (SB) ($41.38)
                                        BB ($27.25)
                                        UTG ($25.45)
                                        MP ($20.88)
                                        CO ($21.80)
                                        Button ($29.07)

                                        Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 7
                                        3 folds, Button bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.66, 1 fold, Button calls $1.16

                                        Flop: ($3.57) K, 8, 5 (2 players)
                                        Hero bets $2.50, Button calls $2.50

                                        Turn: ($8.57) 3 (2 players)
                                        Hero bets $5.25, Button calls $5.25

                                        River: ($19.07) 8 (2 players)
                                        Hero checks, Button checks

                                        Total pot: $19.07 | Rake: $0.95

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                                          I really really hate the 3b Emmet.
                                          Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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                                            Vs a 2bb open from the BTN?

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                                              Originally posted by emmet02 View Post
                                              Vs a 2bb open from the BTN?
                                              Why did you 3b?
                                              Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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                                                I hate quizzes, I always get these wrong.

                                                I 3bet because I felt that he was stealing, and that a 3bet would take the pot down there and then.

                                                I can easily fold to a 4bet, and can continue on FD boards and c/f when I completely miss.

                                                I essentially turned A7s into a bluff, which is pretty bad on reflection.

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                                                  Vpip: 13 pfr: 13 stl: 29
                                                  Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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                                                    Originally posted by TommyGunne View Post
                                                    Vpip: 13 pfr: 13 stl: 29
                                                    I was right, but I don't want to post results...

                                                    (his minbet screamed "steal" to me)

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                                                      I min raise the button any time i open it.

                                                      Works very well in Rush.
                                                      Originally posted by ArmaniJeans
                                                      I like this heat - some proper music innit.
                                                      None of the 'black disabled lesbian warbling backwards' stuff that the other players inflicted on me.

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                                                        Originally posted by Starvin Marvin View Post
                                                        I min raise the button any time i open it.

                                                        Works very well in Rush.
                                                        +1

                                                        This was Rush, and that guy obviously follows the same plan.

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                                                          Anyway, this is a bad hand to do it with. Firstly, because of his small open, he can call more IP. Secondly, A7 plays pretty badly in 3b pots, you can pick better hands to 3b. Even against very aggro openers, I don't like betting hands like A7s. But this guy has a pretty tight opening range anyway, and you only make it like 6bb preflop.

                                                          I'd just fold preflop here.

                                                          EDIT: Being "right" in this instance doesn't matter at all. What does matter is that from what you say, it implies that he still called with something that he was only stealing with, making your 3b even worse.
                                                          Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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                                                            My calling range from the blinds is way off I think. I call with any AXs when there's more than one player in the hand, and then A2-A5s and A9-Js when there's only 1.

                                                            Clearly needs work.

                                                            Also, I'm clearly being overly results orientated, but I just wish he had've had a more legitimate hand to take this down with I guess.

                                                            No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                            Hero (SB) ($41.38)
                                                            BB ($27.25)
                                                            UTG ($25.45)
                                                            MP ($20.88)
                                                            CO ($21.80)
                                                            Button ($29.07)

                                                            Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 7
                                                            3 folds, Button bets $0.50, Hero raises $1.56, 1 fold, Button calls $1.16

                                                            Flop: ($3.57) K, 8, 5 (2 players)
                                                            Hero bets $2.50, Button calls $2.50

                                                            Turn: ($8.57) 3 (2 players)
                                                            Hero bets $5.25, Button calls $5.25

                                                            River: ($19.07) 8 (2 players)
                                                            Hero checks, Button checks

                                                            Total pot: $19.07

                                                            Results:
                                                            Button had 3, Q (two pair, eights and threes).
                                                            Hero had A, 7 (one pair, eights).
                                                            Outcome: Button won $18.12

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                                                              Yeah calling with every one of those hands can be a leak. Not always, but usually. Like if a tight UTG guy opens, AJs is a fold in the blinds. If anyone opens, calling Axs where x < 9 is usually not very good.
                                                              Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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                                                                Originally posted by BobSloane View Post
                                                                .......Lockdown board.......... Not too sure that I really understand the term correctly
                                                                anyone?

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                                                                  How did I play this? I'm struggling in mtw pots, and vs fishy players too, having a tough time putting them on ranges.


                                                                  No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                                  UTG ($21.98)
                                                                  MP ($24.04)
                                                                  Hero (Button) ($27.99)
                                                                  SB ($8.64)
                                                                  BB ($31.98)

                                                                  Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q
                                                                  1 fold, MP calls $0.20, Hero bets $0.90, 1 fold, BB calls $0.70, MP calls $0.70

                                                                  Flop: ($2.80) J, Q, 4 (3 players)
                                                                  BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2.10, BB calls $2.10, MP calls $2.10

                                                                  Turn: ($9.10) 6 (3 players)
                                                                  BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $4.30, BB calls $4.30, MP calls $4.30

                                                                  River: ($22) Q (3 players)
                                                                  BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $20.69 (All-In), 2 folds

                                                                  Total pot: $22

                                                                  BB is playing 46/16 with a low aggression. Haven't been paying too much attention to this table, as have serious fish on others.
                                                                  MP is 63/17 but has been aggressive postflop.

                                                                  Is my river shove bad here vs those type of players? I figure that whoever has a queen is never folding, and with the FD missing, am I only hanging myself vs rivered FHs?

                                                                  (Also, am I better off going for a thinner value bet here?)
                                                                  Last edited by Emmet; 10-05-10, 22:13.

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                                                                    looks fine imo

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                                                                      Thiner value bet.

                                                                      Looks ALOT like they are trying to hit the flush draw. Although I suppose you are not gonna get paid off with flushdraws missing there. Unless they are useless and call you down with an Ace high

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                                                                        Bet bigger on the turn Emmet

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                                                                          Originally posted by digiman View Post
                                                                          Bet bigger on the turn Emmet
                                                                          yeah, thats what I thought alright.

                                                                          Turn is a b/f though right?

                                                                          I honestly didn't know what was going on in the hand at that stage vs 2 players. It was very unlikely they were both playing FDs, and I got a huge case of MUTBS and bet small, worried about getting shoved on.

                                                                          bet ~ 6.40 is better?

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                                                                            Yeah definitely bet bigger on the turn, that seems to be a common theme in a good few of the hands you post. You bet tiny on the turn a lot of the time.

                                                                            6.40 sounds good.
                                                                            Originally posted by ArmaniJeans
                                                                            I like this heat - some proper music innit.
                                                                            None of the 'black disabled lesbian warbling backwards' stuff that the other players inflicted on me.

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                                                                              Villain is playing 36/33/2.1 over 517 hand. What do ye think of the play here? And what do you do with that river card?


                                                                              No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                                              SB ($103.50)
                                                                              BB ($91.45)
                                                                              UTG ($66.90)
                                                                              MP ($259.45)
                                                                              Hero (Button) ($289.20)

                                                                              Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 6
                                                                              1 fold, MP bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds

                                                                              Flop: ($8.50) 8, J, 5 (2 players)
                                                                              MP checks, Hero bets $6, MP calls $6

                                                                              Turn: ($20.50) 4 (2 players)
                                                                              MP checks, Hero bets $14, MP calls $14

                                                                              River: ($48.50) J (2 players)
                                                                              MP checks, hero?

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                                                                                Villain is 26/23/4.0 over 9k hands. He's a break even player.

                                                                                No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                                                Hero (SB) ($175.85)
                                                                                BB ($99)
                                                                                UTG ($177.75)
                                                                                MP ($183.80)
                                                                                Button ($102.95)

                                                                                Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 7
                                                                                UTG bets $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold

                                                                                Flop: ($7) 5, 7, A (2 players)
                                                                                Hero checks, UTG bets $5.50, Hero raises $23.50, UTG calls $18

                                                                                Turn: ($54) A (2 players)
                                                                                Hero bets $35, UTG calls $35

                                                                                River: ($124) 3 (2 players)
                                                                                Hero bets $114.35 (All-In)

                                                                                Total pot: $352.70

                                                                                What do ye think the line in general, and the shove on the river?

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                                                                                  Hand 1: check behind on river usually

                                                                                  Hand 2: V standard

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                                                                                    Originally posted by RoadSweeper View Post
                                                                                    Hand 1: check behind on river usually

                                                                                    Hand 2: V standard
                                                                                    Hand 1: What about the bet sizing RoadSweeper? I'm thinking it should have been bigger on both, but especially turn.



                                                                                    Hand 2: Ya, pretty standard I guess. Just wondering does anyone bet a smaller amount on river.

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                                                                                      Jimbling: In 1 I think it's fine but I check the river behind. I don't think you can get him to fold a jack with a weak kicker here and I think that's his most likely holding.

                                                                                      Not sure about the check-raise amount in hand 2. Would 3.5x not be enough?
                                                                                      "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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                                                                                        Originally posted by AndyFB View Post
                                                                                        Jimbling: In 1 I think it's fine but I check the river behind. I don't think you can get him to fold a jack with a weak kicker here and I think that's his most likely holding.

                                                                                        Not sure about the check-raise amount in hand 2. Would 3.5x not be enough?
                                                                                        Hand 1: I think he pretty much never has a Jack here.

                                                                                        Hand 2: Villain is very aggressive on the flop, I was looking for a big 3bet.
                                                                                        To be honest, pot c/r is pretty much my standard anyway.

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                                                                                          Originally posted by jimbling View Post
                                                                                          Hand 1: What about the bet sizing RoadSweeper? I'm thinking it should have been bigger on both, but especially turn.



                                                                                          Hand 2: Ya, pretty standard I guess. Just wondering does anyone bet a smaller amount on river.

                                                                                          Yea sorry. Flop is fine. Turn make it 16 or 17

                                                                                          Hand 2 - He wont fold 8x 99, TT or whatever Jx he seldom has.etc...

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                                                                                            Originally posted by RoadSweeper View Post
                                                                                            Yea sorry. Flop is fine. Turn make it 16 or 17

                                                                                            Hand 2 - He wont fold 8x 99, TT or whatever Jx he seldom has.etc...
                                                                                            mixing up hands there RS, still talking about hand 1. Ya, river is a check back all right.
                                                                                            What about if the river is not a J?
                                                                                            1) It's a Kc?
                                                                                            2) It's a 3d?

                                                                                            Are you checking back all missed rivers?

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                                                                                              Sorry yea, Im bolloxed tired.

                                                                                              I am more likely to bet a Kx on the river in hand 1 than a 3x. But I may bet both depending on the villain and if I know there is a big difference in his check call three streets and check call two streets range.

                                                                                              Generally when a player check calls as the PRF, he had some showdown value. So say vs 8x 66,77,99 and some weak Jx hands I will bet the cards that make it harder for him to call with his range. Obv he isn't folding Jx

                                                                                              So barelling a Kx makes all his pairs worse in absolute and perceived strength.
                                                                                              A 3x on the river hasn't the same effect as it is an under card to his range and doesn't complete many draws.
                                                                                              Last edited by RoadSweeper; 11-05-10, 11:43.

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                                                                                                Cheers, ya, that's pretty much my thought process on the hand.... although I think I might bet the 3x as well, especially if I had put in a bigger turn bet.

                                                                                                Thanks, think I played it fine other than the turn bet being too small.

                                                                                                Oh, he had 99 by the way.

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                                                                                                  People say never fold sets. They say it's a cooler, but surely there are times that you need to fold.

                                                                                                  Villain is 22/19/2.1 over 55 hands.

                                                                                                  No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                                                                  SB ($161.85)
                                                                                                  BB ($101.50)
                                                                                                  UTG ($100)
                                                                                                  Hero (MP) ($100)
                                                                                                  Button ($93.85)

                                                                                                  Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K
                                                                                                  1 fold, Hero bets $3, Button calls $3, 2 folds

                                                                                                  Flop: ($7.50) 4, 10, K (2 players)
                                                                                                  Hero bets $5, Button calls $5

                                                                                                  Turn: ($17.50) 9 (2 players)
                                                                                                  Hero bets $13, Button raises $85.85 (All-In)

                                                                                                  This is QJ almost always right?

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                                                                                                    Jimbling, in the A6s hand, you can either check back or overbet. Betting a normal amount is bad imo. I'd lean towards overbetting cos I'm a spa. And absolutely never fold your KK there. That would be clearly wrong. There are defo loadsa spots to fold sets, but that sure isn't one of them.
                                                                                                    Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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                                                                                                      Would you not bet more on the flop?

                                                                                                      I mean str draw and a flush draw?

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                                                                                                        Never fold there Jimbling. It can just as easily be 9Ts, A9s Q9s, J9s, ATs, etc etc etc.

                                                                                                        Basically what i'm saying is his range is pretty wide. If he has QJ, ul. And you can always fill up!

                                                                                                        I'd bet $6 on the flop, $5 is a little small but not too bad.

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                                                                                                          ya, obviously I did call. And obviously he had QJo.

                                                                                                          I dunno, but before I clicked call I felt that he definitely had QJ. I know you get those gut feelings and they can be wrong, and you remember the times you're right more vividly, but I'm finding more and more often that I am right in these sort of situations and regret making the call.

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                                                                                                            Originally posted by MegaSin View Post
                                                                                                            Would you not bet more on the flop?

                                                                                                            I mean str draw and a flush draw?

                                                                                                            yep, should be at least 5.50 anyway.

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                                                                                                              Not trying to blow my own horn here.

                                                                                                              But people are starting to agree with me and I am starting to get the basics down

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                                                                                                                Originally posted by jimbling View Post
                                                                                                                ya, obviously I did call. And obviously he had QJo.

                                                                                                                I dunno, but before I clicked call I felt that he definitely had QJ. I know you get those gut feelings and they can be wrong, and you remember the times you're right more vividly, but I'm finding more and more often that I am right in these sort of situations and regret making the call.
                                                                                                                In almost all cases, especially online, logic > a feeling. I know when you're right it feels like you should have folded, but that was never a fold, and your mind will only remember the times you're right as the times you're wrong you just dismiss it and move on.
                                                                                                                "In the world, there are many kings but there is only one God. I am God, I am El Tren" :{)

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                                                                                                                  Originally posted by MegaSin View Post
                                                                                                                  Not trying to blow my own horn here.

                                                                                                                  But people are starting to agree with me and I am starting to get the basics down
                                                                                                                  Don't worry, soon enough a thread will come along that will have you completely at sixes and sevens.
                                                                                                                  "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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                                                                                                                    Originally posted by AndyFB View Post
                                                                                                                    Don't worry, soon enough a thread will come along that will have you completely at sixes and sevens.

                                                                                                                    Ah trust me most of the stuff still goes over my head. But at least I am not a moran like when I first started reading and posting.

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                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Sledgejammer View Post
                                                                                                                      In almost all cases, especially online, logic > a feeling. I know when you're right it feels like you should have folded, but that was never a fold, and your mind will only remember the times you're right as the times you're wrong you just dismiss it and move on.
                                                                                                                      ya, I know. I don't get "feelings" that strong that often though.......
                                                                                                                      but meh, you're right. Think I'm just pissed off cause I lost a ton with KK today

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                                                                                                                        Originally posted by MegaSin View Post
                                                                                                                        Not trying to blow my own horn here.

                                                                                                                        But people are starting to agree with me and I am starting to get the basics down
                                                                                                                        I guess we are doing our jobs then

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                                                                                                                          Originally posted by jimbling View Post
                                                                                                                          People say never fold sets. They say it's a cooler, but surely there are times that you need to fold.

                                                                                                                          Villain is 22/19/2.1 over 55 hands.

                                                                                                                          No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                                                                                          SB ($161.85)
                                                                                                                          BB ($101.50)
                                                                                                                          UTG ($100)
                                                                                                                          Hero (MP) ($100)
                                                                                                                          Button ($93.85)

                                                                                                                          Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K
                                                                                                                          1 fold, Hero bets $3, Button calls $3, 2 folds

                                                                                                                          Flop: ($7.50) 4, 10, K (2 players)
                                                                                                                          Hero bets $5, Button calls $5

                                                                                                                          Turn: ($17.50) 9 (2 players)
                                                                                                                          Hero bets $13, Button raises $85.85 (All-In)

                                                                                                                          This is QJ almost always right?
                                                                                                                          I think $5 is good enough i mean this guy isnt goin to fold to $6 and call $5, anyone think we should check the turn? forgetting what the guy has by check/calling the turn if we underrep our hand on the turn he ma spazz of a couple of bets with missed draws one pair hands???

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