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Originally posted by eagle eye View PostNot enough information given there to form an opinion one way or the other.
What more information do you need, the bet was placed late after the draw had taken place. Its clearly void.
Most interesting thing for me is that it made it into the Tribune at all - if the paper doesn't understand such as a simple issue as an after-timed bet then how accurate are they when they come to do indepth writing on serious financial topics.
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Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View PostYou serious?
What more information do you need, the bet was placed late after the draw had taken place. Its clearly void.
Most interesting thing for me is that it made it into the Tribune at all - if the paper doesn't understand such as a simple issue as an after-timed bet then how accurate are they when they come to do indepth writing on serious financial topics."We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by greywolf View Post
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Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View PostYou serious?
What more information do you need, the bet was placed late after the draw had taken place. Its clearly void.
Most interesting thing for me is that it made it into the Tribune at all - if the paper doesn't understand such as a simple issue as an after-timed bet then how accurate are they when they come to do indepth writing on serious financial topics.
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Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View PostYou serious?
What more information do you need, the bet was placed late after the draw had taken place. Its clearly void.
Most interesting thing for me is that it made it into the Tribune at all - if the paper doesn't understand such as a simple issue as an after-timed bet then how accurate are they when they come to do indepth writing on serious financial topics.
There are many things we don't know here.
Was the guy in the shop before the off time? If he wasn't then he was more than likely scamming.'Mental Toughness is doing the right thing for the team when it's not the best thing for you' - Bill Belichick
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Originally posted by peteypop View Postwhat about the times i have placed bets that could be classed late that dont win,when i go back in do they call me and say that bet was late even tho u didnt win here is your money back,i dont think so.
In this case the draw had taken place 'a few minutes earlier'.
Guys a scammer.
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Originally posted by eagle eye View PostI don't understand how the bet was accepted.
No other way they could do it, impossible to check every docket when 10 people rush up to the counter as the last few horses are getting loaded.
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Originally posted by ArmaniJeans View PostThe system may have changed but back in my everyday punting days they worked on the basis of accepting all proferred dockets and money, and only checking afterwards whether the timing was good.
No other way they could do it, impossible to check every docket when 10 people rush up to the counter as the last few horses are getting loaded.
Also the reason I'm not so quick to dismiss it as scamming is that the guy has hired legal representation, a con artist wouldn't go that far I don't think.'Mental Toughness is doing the right thing for the team when it's not the best thing for you' - Bill Belichick
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Originally posted by eagle eye View PostI don't understand how the bet was accepted. Did the guy do this bet and these numbers everyday. Was the draw on tv before he placed his bet or is the off time not the time that the draw is shown at?
There are many things we don't know here.
Was the guy in the shop before the off time? If he wasn't then he was more than likely scamming.
Edit: he may not have specified which draw he wanted it on so the cashier probably thought it was for the evening draw as morning draw was over!Last edited by The Situation; 17-05-10, 13:58.Profit before people.
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Originally posted by tylerdurden94 View PostIts always spot on they do a lovely deep fried smoked corn chicken
Although the Irish delivery guy did short change me one time, fucking spud eating mick!
we should send Cromwell back in to sort them out imo"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Bookies want it both ways, i have two dockets at home totaling €100 one from both paddypower bookies in wicklow town. both time stamped after the off so by their own rules are void to which i should get a refund. both managers refused refunds, requested in writing from paddypower head office and still refused with the old if they had of won they would have paid trick bs so now i'm onto the same crowd to get a refund but either way refund of not i'm lodging a complaint to the courts when it comes time for them to renew their bookmakers licences already been to see the seargent in wicklow town to get the details of when it due to be renewed and stuff.
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Originally posted by Donkathon View PostBookies want it both ways, i have two dockets at home totaling €100 one from both paddypower bookies in wicklow town. both time stamped after the off so by their own rules are void to which i should get a refund. both managers refused refunds, requested in writing from paddypower head office and still refused with the old if they had of won they would have paid trick bs so now i'm onto the same crowd to get a refund but either way refund of not i'm lodging a complaint to the courts when it comes time for them to renew their bookmakers licences already been to see the seargent in wicklow town to get the details of when it due to be renewed and stuff.
I did this with Aer Lingus a couple of years ago (were ignoring my requests for a refund) and got the money instantly"We are not Europeans. Those people on the continent are freaks."
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Originally posted by Donkathon View PostBookies want it both ways, i have two dockets at home totaling €100 one from both paddypower bookies in wicklow town. both time stamped after the off so by their own rules are void to which i should get a refund. both managers refused refunds, requested in writing from paddypower head office and still refused with the old if they had of won they would have paid trick bs so now i'm onto the same crowd to get a refund but either way refund of not i'm lodging a complaint to the courts when it comes time for them to renew their bookmakers licences already been to see the seargent in wicklow town to get the details of when it due to be renewed and stuff.Profit before people.
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Originally posted by eagle eye View PostI don't understand how the bet was accepted. Did the guy do this bet and these numbers everyday. Was the draw on tv before he placed his bet or is the off time not the time that the draw is shown at?
It was placed two minutes late.
Considering that it takes a bit of time to get a docket filled out and queue up it is almost a cert that he was in the bookies for the draw or does he want us to believe that he had just rang in off the street, up to the counter, pinged 3 numbers out of the air the the tiny window available, and then left?????
Look at the shape of him, he clearly lives in the bookies.
Originally posted by eagle eye View PostAlso the reason I'm not so quick to dismiss it as scamming is that the guy has hired legal representation, a con artist wouldn't go that far I don't think.
Originally posted by bohsman View PostBookies are under no obligation to pay out on any bet under Irish law as far as I am aware.
But obviously, a company would do far more damage than to themselves by taking this angle, if they bet was entitled to get paid. Money saved on winnings would be outweighed by lost custom.
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Originally posted by Mellor View PostI don't understand how you don't understand.
It was placed two minutes late.
Considering that it takes a bit of time to get a docket filled out and queue up it is almost a cert that he was in the bookies for the draw or does he want us to believe that he had just rang in off the street, up to the counter, pinged 3 numbers out of the air the the tiny window available, and then left?????
The information is not there for us to make our minds up. I don't see why a national newspaper would print this if there was nothing to it.
Originally posted by Mellor View PostLook at the shape of him, he clearly lives in the bookies.
Originally posted by Mellor View PostPro bono, paid for by the paper etc etc'Mental Toughness is doing the right thing for the team when it's not the best thing for you' - Bill Belichick
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The duty of care is on the customer to make sure that the bet he is placing is valid. It is simply not possible for a betting shop cashier to adequately ensure the validity of every bet they accept. Sometimes this results in customers being disappointed, but it's something that a bookie has to deal with.
I'm not sure why the Indo thinks this is news. I worked as a cashier for two years and this was a regular occurance. Knowing them there's an agenda of some sort. Probably building up a well of public outrage in time for new gambling regulations to come in."I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson
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I honestly cant believe this made the papers.
I mean 2min and 2seconds late sure if he did win that case everyone in the country would wait for a draw to finished fill out the numbers hand it in docket to a friend scan it walk out and come back in and collect.PS if you were going to do it be better off picking 6 numbers.
I mean anyone that knows anything about gambling would know that they dont have time to check every docket as it scanned so easy to have situation where dockets are late.
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Originally posted by eagle eye View PostThere is no information apart from the 2 minutes and 2 seconds late in the article. As I said if he came in and placed the bet after the results were known then clearly he is a scammer but we don't know that. Is it possible that this off time was over 2 minutes 2 seconds before the draw actually took place or over 2 minutes 2 seconds before it was actually shown in the bookie office?
The information is not there for us to make our minds up. I don't see why a national newspaper would print this if there was nothing to it.
You know what somebody does all day based on one picture
Where did you get that information from? Its not in the article
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Originally posted by peteypop View Postwhat about the times i have placed bets that could be classed late that dont win,when i go back in do they call me and say that bet was late even tho u didnt win here is your money back,i dont think so.
Originally posted by Donkathon View PostBookies want it both ways, i have two dockets at home totaling €100 one from both paddypower bookies in wicklow town. both time stamped after the off so by their own rules are void to which i should get a refund. both managers refused refunds, requested in writing from paddypower head office and still refused with the old if they had of won they would have paid trick bs so now i'm onto the same crowd to get a refund but either way refund of not i'm lodging a complaint to the courts when it comes time for them to renew their bookmakers licences already been to see the seargent in wicklow town to get the details of when it due to be renewed and stuff.
Good look in the courts with the local Garda. They're normally punters
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Originally posted by Gimmeabreakmore details required imo
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Originally posted by Donkathon View Postfirst was a virtual hourse race and second was a dog race, both only a few seconds late but the point is it is up on every paddypower bookies in their own rules if it time stamped passed the off the bet is void. yes mine were low stakes as such but if there was 10k at stake the bookies would have no bother turning around and refunding the stake and not honour the bet.
A dog race only last seconds, after the off is clearly not valid
Virtual racing is made up of only a few "races" repeated. Clearly after the off is not allow here.
One bookies allowed bets like that on virtual racing before and lost a fortune as punters could cop who'd win after a few seconds
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Originally posted by Donkathon View PostBookies want it both ways, i have two dockets at home totaling €100 one from both paddypower bookies in wicklow town. both time stamped after the off so by their own rules are void to which i should get a refund. both managers refused refunds, requested in writing from paddypower head office and still refused with the old if they had of won they would have paid trick bs so now i'm onto the same crowd to get a refund but either way refund of not i'm lodging a complaint to the courts when it comes time for them to renew their bookmakers licences already been to see the seargent in wicklow town to get the details of when it due to be renewed and stuff.
I reckon cashiers in bookies make some amount of drinking money off uncollected void bets.
And with the extent bookies try to manipulate some of the weakest in society, it would have to be a very extraordinary case for me to feel any sympathy for them.
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Originally posted by Donkathon View Postfirst was a virtual hourse race and second was a dog race, both only a few seconds late but the point is it is up on every paddypower bookies in their own rules if it time stamped passed the off the bet is void. yes mine were low stakes as such but if there was 10k at stake the bookies would have no bother turning around and refunding the stake and not honour the bet.
Originally posted by PP Terms &Conditions
Late bets
Bets are accepted up to the off-time of the event or a pre-determined time whichever the earlier. Any bet inadvertently accepted after the betting has closed or where the event was resolved or at a stage where the customer could have any indication of the outcome will be settled at the correct price at the time the bet was placed. The correct price will be determined by Paddy Power's trading department. Bets placed after the final event result is known will be voided.Should there be a dispute over the off-time of an event/market where an official starting time is not given by that sports governing body, then the time that Paddy Power determines the event to have started will govern settlement of all bets. .
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Originally posted by Donkathon View Postfirst was a virtual hourse race and second was a dog race, both only a few seconds late but the point is it is up on every paddypower bookies in their own rules if it time stamped passed the off the bet is void. yes mine were low stakes as such but if there was 10k at stake the bookies would have no bother turning around and refunding the stake and not honour the bet.
Originally posted by NewApproach View PostI reckon cashiers in bookies make some amount of drinking money off uncollected void bets.Profit before people.
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Originally posted by NewApproach View PostI reckon cashiers in bookies make some amount of drinking money off uncollected void bets.
Originally posted by Rekop Dog View PostMoney goes back to the company if bets aren't collected within six months or something like that!
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Originally posted by Mellor View PostLol are you joking??
A dog race only last seconds, after the off is clearly not valid
Virtual racing is made up of only a few "races" repeated. Clearly after the off is not allow here.
One bookies allowed bets like that on virtual racing before and lost a fortune as punters could cop who'd win after a few seconds
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Originally posted by Hornswaggl View Posthow late were they?
what distance was the race?Originally posted by Donkathon View Postfirst was a virtual hourse race and second was a dog race, both only a few seconds late but the point is it is up on every paddypower bookies in their own rules if it time stamped passed the off the bet is void. yes mine were low stakes as such but if there was 10k at stake the bookies would have no bother turning around and refunding the stake and not honour the bet.
late is late by there own rules and the bets are void and should be refunded no matter how late
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[QUOTE=Donkathon;82669]late is late by there own rules and the bets are void and should be refunded no matter how late[/QU
i think your bets should be refunded as i dont think you would have got paid if they won, it would be different if it was a horse race as i think you get paid if said horse wins if you are not overly late imo
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Originally posted by Gimmeabreakwhy the resistance to state by how late the bets were placed?
late is late and by your own rules are void but refused refunds by the shops & yourselves in head office
doesnt matter how late it it by your own rules they are void and if i had of won you would have perfectly legit grounds not to pay
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Whats clear though is there is a grey area that exists and it shouldn't exist. If you place a bet even 1 second late you should be refunded your money, and if it wins then there can be no complaints about not getting paid as the rule is stictly adhered to.
This would lead to people making sure they placed their bets on time.'Mental Toughness is doing the right thing for the team when it's not the best thing for you' - Bill Belichick
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Originally posted by Donkathon View Postone by think 3 seconds and the other 6,
late is late and by your own rules are void but refused refunds by the shops & yourselves in head office
doesnt matter how late it it by your own rules they are void and if i had of won you would have perfectly legit grounds not to payOriginally posted by ArmaniJeansI like this heat - some proper music innit.
None of the 'black disabled lesbian warbling backwards' stuff that the other players inflicted on me.
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Originally posted by NewApproach View PostDonkathon is angle shooting a bit here, but angle shooting isn't covered in the rule book. Refund the money imo!
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Originally posted by Hornswaggl View PostIve just been in Paddy Power, they now do betting in running on horse racing, in other news ul noel 4th thought he would win at one stage!
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Originally posted by NewApproach View PostWhy? Surely it doesn't affect you in anyway if Donkathon has a hundred extra quid or not.Originally posted by ArmaniJeansI like this heat - some proper music innit.
None of the 'black disabled lesbian warbling backwards' stuff that the other players inflicted on me.
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Originally posted by Starvin Marvin View PostBecause hes being a scamming numpty from the sound of it.
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Originally posted by NewApproach View PostIf it has no consequences to you though I don't know why you would wish that. I mean it's clearly at best an angle shoot, but I don't see why you would want a guy you don't know blacklisted from bookies. Just seems a little bitter to me, that is all.
I just dont like seeing crap like this, thought most people would have the same view tbh.Originally posted by ArmaniJeansI like this heat - some proper music innit.
None of the 'black disabled lesbian warbling backwards' stuff that the other players inflicted on me.
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Originally posted by Starvin Marvin View PostWhat would i have to be bitter about, as you say i dont know this guy at all.
I just dont like seeing crap like this, thought most people would have the same view tbh.
If it was an accident then I think he should get it back. In the same way the story I posted yesterday about my friend who put on the bet for us on the one docket, was put through late (significantly, I think it was 2 fences into a 3 mile chase), I thought there was a chance it was void so I checked. Don't see much wrong with that tbh.
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Yeah i think you were in the wrong there too, maybe not technically but its still dishonest.
You obv know this already though.Originally posted by ArmaniJeansI like this heat - some proper music innit.
None of the 'black disabled lesbian warbling backwards' stuff that the other players inflicted on me.
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Originally posted by Starvin Marvin View PostYeah i think you were in the wrong there too, maybe not technically but its still dishonest.
You obv know this already though.
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