General Poker Thread

[connie147]

Originally Posted by tipp86

Live game 23 left 8 handed

800-1500 ante 100

utg+2 limps, Utg+3 limps, Cu limps i shove the button for 16k

Reads

The first 2 limpers will not call a shove im 90% sure for the first guy and 100% sure for the next lady as ive previous play with them. The Cu was a mental case fella well in his 60s played around 80/10 in online terms.He had folded to shoves after limping a good few times.

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He at one stage asked the dealer what were the point of these blinds theres no need for them

Id say i feel he will fold about 70% of the time if i had to put a number on it.All players covered me aswell.

Can i justify shoving 27off suit in this spot or is it just to bad a hand regardless? I just feel its a top class opportunity to boost my stack by 50% without a showdown !

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Obviously bad beat story the mad man called with 78 said hed gamble

Hi Enda,
I see nothing wrong in your rational in making that play. But something to keep in mind is the level of player your up against. Generally, when we are making "plays" on players, we make them on thinking players, as in players who can figure out their weak holding is more than likely behing to a tight players push. Also, when I do get lucky enough to play with a table of "bad" players, if I am gonna do something like you did, I would ensure I had at least 20+ x bb's when Im doing it. If I get as low as you did (approx 10 bb's) I think they're the wrong type of player to be shoving light on.

Still, Im sure they got a kick out of you tabling your 7-2!!!

Connie

[TommyGunne]

You seem to ignore hand strength a decent amount when "making moves" tipp. Its hugely important obv. I would imagine 72 would be v bad there, and would definitely question your reads. Guess you can shove lightish, but having anything approaching a big card is worth a lot.

[Gimmeabreak]

Dear Poker - why do you make it so hard on me?


PokerStars Game #67289675398: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2011/09/10 10:46:54 WET [2011/09/10 5:46:54 ET]
Table 'Metis III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: NoelHayes ($95.60 in chips)
Seat 2: T41geR ($296 in chips)
Seat 4: SheriffMola ($203.55 in chips)
Seat 5: Pylusha ($140.80 in chips)
Seat 6: pinezee ($109.95 in chips)
T41geR: posts small blind $0.50
SheriffMola: posts big blind $1
NoelHayes: posts the ante $0.20
T41geR: posts the ante $0.20
SheriffMola: posts the ante $0.20
Pylusha: posts the ante $0.20
pinezee: posts the ante $0.20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NoelHayes [3c 7h Ac As]
Pylusha: raises $2 to $3
pinezee: folds
NoelHayes: raises $8.50 to $11.50
T41geR: folds
SheriffMola: folds
Pylusha: calls $8.50
*** FLOP *** [2c 6s 8c]
Pylusha: checks
NoelHayes: bets $20
Pylusha: raises $64.25 to $84.25
NoelHayes: calls $63.90 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.35) returned to Pylusha
*** TURN *** [2c 6s 8c] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [2c 6s 8c 4s] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pylusha: shows [Th Td 5h 4d] (three of a kind, Fours)
NoelHayes: shows [3c 7h Ac As] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
Pylusha collected $191.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $193.30 | Rake $2
Board [2c 6s 8c 4s 4h]
Seat 1: NoelHayes (button) showed [3c 7h Ac As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Fours
Seat 2: T41geR (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: SheriffMola (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Pylusha showed [Th Td 5h 4d] and won ($191.30) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 6: pinezee folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[tipp86]

Originally Posted by connie147

Hi Enda,
I see nothing wrong in your rational in making that play. But something to keep in mind is the level of player your up against. Generally, when we are making "plays" on players, we make them on thinking players, as in players who can figure out their weak holding is more than likely behing to a tight players push. Also, when I do get lucky enough to play with a table of "bad" players, if I am gonna do something like you did, I would ensure I had at least 20+ x bb's when Im doing it. If I get as low as you did (approx 10 bb's) I think they're the wrong type of player to be shoving light on.

Still, Im sure they got a kick out of you tabling your 7-2!!!

Connie

Ya the only thing is if im sitting on 20bbs im probably not going to do this with such a shit hand. The guy who called was calling a 20bb shove as quick id say.

Originally Posted by TommyGunne

You seem to ignore hand strength a decent amount when "making moves" tipp. Its hugely important obv. I would imagine 72 would be v bad there, and would definitely question your reads. Guess you can shove lightish, but having anything approaching a big card is worth a lot.

Ya i agree with hand strength but how would you question the reads part?

The only other thing is these player love flops, they dont like pre flop play. They also are less likely to want to go bust without seeing a flop imo. This is there big game for the month. The fact i had 11bbs the other 3 players had 14-20bbs so in theory its a stack decision.

I suppose from the 2 replys its fair to say its a fold. Whats the worst hand ye will happily shove here?

[zuutroy]

That be more like it.

[connie147]

Originally Posted by tipp86

Ya the only thing is if im sitting on 20bbs im probably not going to do this with such a shit hand. The guy who called was calling a 20bb shove as quick id say.



Ya i agree with hand strength but how would you question the reads part?

The only other thing is these player love flops, they dont like pre flop play. They also are less likely to want to go bust without seeing a flop imo. This is there big game for the month. The fact i had 11bbs the other 3 players had 14-20bbs so in theory its a stack decision.

I suppose from the 2 replys its fair to say its a fold. Whats the worst hand ye will happily shove here?

Against players of the standard you are talking about, I like any pair and QJ+ considering you have 3 limpers to get through. You only have just less that 11 bb's.
There is sb, bb, and 3 x limps + 800 in antes so pot = 7,600. You shove for 16k, so any player already in has to put in 9bb's to call, and chances are one of them will decide to take you on. If you're gonna do it with this kinda hand, I'd much rather you have 20bb's, because theres far less chance of you being called.
Im probably not explaining myself very well, but in summary, you dont have enough chips to shove so light over 3 limpers.

[pgodkin]

so had my first semi-week of playing MTTSNG's put in like 65 games mix of 45 reg/turbo's and 90 normal/knockouts only playing the $1/$1.50 level

Ended up like 6 dollars down when i checked the cashier, so just went back into my PT, and he told me that i bought into 1 X $15 45 man turbo's FML

Didn't do to bad in it, Shoved 66's BVB 13 people out ran into a big stack with KJ! When i check table ninja's STT opener it had filter $1 / $1.50 and $15 games!!

[Emmet]

Anyone have a guide to Tableninja sit and go sensei?

As it stands, I have my pokerstars set up to leave only 5 different SnG types. What I want is to press "start" and have tableninja autoreg for any of these that are available up to 16 tournaments.

Is this straightforward? How to auto-close lobby when tournament opens would be nice too...

[bohsman]

Originally Posted by Emmet

Anyone have a guide to Tableninja sit and go sensei?

As it stands, I have my pokerstars set up to leave only 5 different SnG types. What I want is to press "start" and have tableninja autoreg for any of these that are available up to 16 tournaments.

Is this straightforward? How to auto-close lobby when tournament opens would be nice too...

It's straightforward enough, the guide here explains it fairly well http://tableninja.com/itembyitemdoc....pener&lang=en#

I have it autoregging me for 15 at a time till I've played 100 sngs, everytime I get knocked out of one it registers me for a new one, dead handy.

[zuutroy]

Tourney hand 10eur deepstack on Winamax. 42 left, 30 paid. Looking for best line on all streets plz. Guy has been playing a little funky but nothing insane VPIP: 32, PFR: 11, 3B: 17, AF: 2.0


No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 1250/2500 Blinds (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP (t163822)
Hero (CO) (t143018)
Button (t169851)
SB (t91446)
BB (t154760)
UTG (t200281)

Hero's M: 38.14

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, 9
2 folds, Hero bets t6250, 2 folds, BB calls t3750

Flop: (t13750) 9, Q, 10 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t11250, BB raises t27500, Hero calls t16250

Turn: (t68750) 5 (2 players)
BB bets t39876, Hero calls t39876

River: (t148502) J (2 players)
BB checks

[AndyFatBastard]

Zuutroy: Very villian dependant, but I probably just get them in on the flop.

[pgodkin]

Originally Posted by pgodkin

so had my first semi-week of playing MTTSNG's put in like 65 games mix of 45 reg/turbo's and 90 normal/knockouts only playing the $1/$1.50 level

Ended up like 6 dollars down when i checked the cashier, so just went back into my PT, and he told me that i bought into 1 X $15 45 man turbo's FML

Didn't do to bad in it, Shoved 66's BVB 13 people out ran into a big stack with KJ! When i check table ninja's STT opener it had filter $1 / $1.50 and $15 games!!

Originally Posted by Emmet

Anyone have a guide to Tableninja sit and go sensei?

As it stands, I have my pokerstars set up to leave only 5 different SnG types. What I want is to press "start" and have tableninja autoreg for any of these that are available up to 16 tournaments.

Is this straightforward? How to auto-close lobby when tournament opens would be nice too...

Originally Posted by bohsman

It's straightforward enough, the guide here explains it fairly well http://tableninja.com/itembyitemdoc....pener&lang=en#

I have it autoregging me for 15 at a time till I've played 100 sngs, everytime I get knocked out of one it registers me for a new one, dead handy.

@ Emmet: be sure u check everything out before putting this into full swing, also please make sure everytime stars has an update becuase the smallest things seem to affect it

also i have STT opening filtering out games fro $1.50 turbo 45 mans but when i check it back it was some how showing $1.5 and $15 45 mans

@ Boshman: how long would it take you to play 100 game's 15 tabling? are these turbo's???

Thanks

[ikilldurrr1]

What do you think of this bluff v 23/17 reg with nut blocker? Do people bet fold sets here? Is shove better than my sizing? Shove seems too much tbh.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($492)
Hero ($296)
BTN ($422)

Dealt to Hero A:club: T:heart:

BTN raises to $4.50, fold, Hero calls $2.50

FLOP ($10) 6:club: T:club: 7:diamond:

Hero checks, BTN bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

TURN ($25) 6:club: T:club: 7:diamond: 4:heart:

Hero checks, BTN bets $18.75, Hero calls $18.75

RIVER ($62.50) 6:club: T:club: 7:diamond: 4:heart: J:club:

[color=red]Hero checks, BTN bets $46, Hero raises to $160

[zuutroy]

When he gets to the river as played his range for betting it is all flushes (~20 combos) sets (15 combos) and straights (16 combos) I think, for a total of 51. Of those he's only folding the sets and let's be optimistic and say he folds all sets, then he's folding 30% of the time.
You're risking 160 to win 108 meaning he needs to fold >60% of the time.
Not even close in that case.

[ikilldurrr1]

He has some bluffs too.

[zuutroy]

I don't think many players are barreling that turn and following up on that river when called. Evenif you do factor in a few bluffs you're still quite far from the b/e point.

Also, don't post results!

[bohsman]

Originally Posted by pgodkin

@ Boshman: how long would it take you to play 100 game's 15 tabling? are these turbo's???

Thanks

Recently it's been the 9 man hyperturbos, probably around 75 minutes for 100 of them depending on the time of day.

I used to 20 table the turbos pre black friday and 100 of them using SNG sensei was 2.5 to 3 hours afair.

[zuutroy]

What's the plan here? Sizing was quite awkward I should've went for 1/2 pot flop, 1/2 pot turn, but in game I was inclined to bet a bit bigger on that flop texture. Now I'm left with about 1.5x pot on the turn and feel like I'm never getting called by worse but checking gives free cards when his range can have lots of equity.


***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Winamax)
$30.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 03, 10:53:45 ET 2011
Table La RochesurYon (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $32.50 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 5.0, Hands: 124
Seat 2: Player2 ( $34.26 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 23, 3B: 5, AF: 3.2, Hands: 115
Seat 3: Player3 ( $16.16 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 8, 3B: 3, AF: 1.5, Hands: 76
Seat 4: Hero ( $30.00 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 22, 3B: 6, AF: 3.0, Hands: 11157
Seat 5: Player5 ( $45.24 USD ) - VPIP: 40, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 5.7, Hands: 63
Hero posts small blind [$0.15 USD].
Player5 posts big blind [$0.30 USD].
Dealt to Hero [ A A ]
** Dealing down cards **
Player1 raises [$0.90 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Hero raises [$3.15 USD]
Player5 folds
Player1 calls [$2.40 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ T, 7, 3 ] [$6.50]
Hero bets [$4.60 USD]
Player1 calls [$4.60 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9 ] [$15.70]
Hero.... with $22.25

[Hectorjelly]

More on flop, shove turn. He calls with all overpairs and some other pairs. That's the type of board where you you don't really want to get to a river with money left.

I'd just commit myself on the turn given your sizing.

[pgodkin]

There's 6.30 in the pot pre so i would make it like 5/5.50 on the flop and pot it on the turn/shove on the turn, checking is kind of weak but if he has like top pair/ overpair hands i think you give far to much room to get away with it, what did you think his range was for calling pre??