IPB Hero Our Conor Memorial Thread - (Horses Betting Obv)

[careca]

Traphalger look like a good e/w shot in the 14.50 at Lingfield today (10/1). Real track specialist, placing in all six of it's runs here of which three were wins and one of those places was in listed company, today's race is a class 4 handicap. Won a claimer recently after a longish break so should improve for that run. I've doubts about a few of the favourites in this race concerning the 12f trip wheras Traphalger has proven to be able to win at the distance. Couple of Irish raiders in the race, it's often tough to compare the relative strengths of the Dundalk AW races and the British AW ones, so one of those could be possibly too good but Traphalger still look good for a place at the very least IMO.

8s from 11s. Dont see any Irish raiders???

[The Situation]

8s from 11s. Dont see any Irish raiders???

well horses that have applied there trade mainly over here I should have said Humer Me Rene and Battleoftrafalgar.

I should have also said that trafalgar is on a joint low career rating of 72 and has won off a good bit higher.

[Dice75]

Traphalger look like a good e/w shot in the 14.50 at Lingfield today (10/1). Real track specialist, placing in all six of it's runs here of which three were wins and one of those places was in listed company, today's race is a class 4 handicap. Won a claimer recently after a longish break so should improve for that run. I've doubts about a few of the favourites in this race concerning the 12f trip wheras Traphalger has proven to be able to win at the distance. Couple of Irish raiders in the race, it's often tough to compare the relative strengths of the Dundalk AW races and the British AW ones, so one of those could be possibly too good but Traphalger still look good for a place at the very least IMO.

On the serious drift here but moneys down too, so GL

[careca]

didn't see the race but it sounded as if the jockey couldn't hold the horse. Went on about 5 furlongs out which is surely too early?

[DAMO72]

Think the jockey should get an oscar for that performance

If he had let the horse go id be rubbing fiddy's on my titties right now

[The Situation]

On the serious drift here but moneys down too, so GL

meh the young lad on board gave it a horrible ride, never really a front running horse so I can't imagine that was the instructions he was given. But hey that the risk in backing a horse with a inexperienced jockey.

[DAMO72]

Pipers piping has good prospects in the next

[Dice75]

Pipers piping has good prospects in the next

Tevez for me - also no more mentioning disturbing images of your manboobs please

[DAMO72]

Tevez for me - also no more mentioning disturbing images of your manboobs please

Obv piper was running the race to suit his stablemate

[Reaps]

Think the jockey should get an oscar for that performance

If he had let the horse go id be rubbing fiddy's on my titties right now

he'd have been beaten further.

[The Situation]

Anyone else think Cue Card being fav in the International hurdle at Cheltenham today is madness?

[Starvin Marvin]

Anyone else think Cue Card being fav in the International hurdle at Cheltenham today is madness?

It looks a bit silly and the hype has gone way into overdrive but on official ratings there isnt much in it and i dont think todays race will suit Menorah.

Small field, might not be a proper test which wont see him in his best light.

Cue Card and the Nicholls horse should have more tactical pace, its not one to get heavily involved in imo.


Just load on Master Minded at Evens, defeat is out of the question.

[HelloJellyFish]

Anyone else think Cue Card being fav in the International hurdle at Cheltenham today is madness?

I think he will win this easy and by a mile...

ps. All his wins was easy and with a bit in hand, this will be a tougher race, but I have faith in Cue Card.

[The Situation]

It looks a bit silly and the hype has gone way into overdrive but on official ratings there isnt much in it and i dont think todays race will suit Menorah.

Small field, might not be a proper test which wont see him in his best light.

Cue Card and the Nicholls horse should have more tactical pace, its not one to get heavily involved in imo.


Just load on Master Minded at Evens, defeat is out of the question.

I definitely wouldn't hold Cue Card in the same esteem as S Conti and Menorah in particular at the moment. He's faced nothing like these in his four runs where future form of those races
showed the opposition were nothing special. I see the winner of the champion hurdle coming from here I rate the race so high.


I've laid Cue card here. Might have a bit e/w on clerks choice back on decent ground.

Also wouldn't be hugely confident about Master Minded at evens. Not laying but there's no value in backing him IMO.

[NewApproach]

I definitely wouldn't hold Cue Card in the same esteem as S Conti and Menorah in particular at the moment. He's faced nothing like these in his four runs where future form of those races
showed the opposition were nothing special. I see the winner of the champion hurdle coming from here I rate the race so high.


I've laid Cue card here. Might have a bit e/w on clerks choice back on decent ground.

Also wouldn't be hugely confident about Master Minded at evens. Not laying but there's no value in backing him IMO.

What has Silviniaco Conti done though? I know he has been deeply impressive, but at Ascot last time I can't help but think he won by default. Zaynar didn't run his race (needs further anyway) and Karabak has always failed to deliver.
I think he will prove better over 20f+ in time, but today is his acid test. Talk of CH is a bit premature imo.

I've said before that I think Menorah will win the CH, whether todays race will suit him or not I'm not sure. Will there be the strong pace he needs? Either way, he is 3/1 in a place which is a nice price.

[The Situation]

What has Silviniaco Conti done though? I know he has been deeply impressive, but at Ascot last time I can't help but think he won by default. Zaynar didn't run his race (needs further anyway) and Karabak has always failed to deliver.
I think he will prove better over 20f+ in time, but today is his acid test. Talk of CH is a bit premature imo.

I've said before that I think Menorah will win the CH, whether todays race will suit him or not I'm not sure. Will there be the strong pace he needs? Either way, he is 3/1 in a place which is a nice price.

I haven't put anything on the CH yet, just extremely impressed with Silviniaco conti and Menorah rate of progression. I'd also have a preferance for the latter like yourself as SC definitely has more questions to answer but as you say this is a good acid test.

You'd imagine Nachine creed, Menorah's stablemates inclusion is for pace setting purposes.

[NewApproach]

You'd imagine Nachine creed, Menorah's stablemates inclusion is for pace setting purposes.

Yeah he will set the pace, but there's no guarantee they will follow him. Hopefully Sil Conti races handy enough.

[Solskjaer]

AP MCoy Legend. thanks for that buddy what a ride.

[TheImprover]

AP MCoy Legend. thanks for that buddy what a ride.

Snap, winnings now on the master, gogogo

[TheImprover]

What a ride, absolute class horse is Masterminded,

[The Situation]

Wow

[NewApproach]

Mmeeeennnnoooorrraaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[HiCloy]

Nice, and 5/2

[NewApproach]

He is 5/1 with Ladbrokes for the champion Hurdle, NRNB. Whatabet.

[Starvin Marvin]

Master Minded was a 1/3 shot today, bookies must be on crack.

Menorah was good but i wouldnt be too mad about todays race.

Cue Card pulled hard early and didnt find anything under pressure because of it.
The Nicholls horse was bad.

Id still rate Binocular, Hurricane Fly and Peddlers Cross above Menorah in the pecking order, but he is progressing nicely.

[The Situation]

Master Minded was a 1/3 shot today, bookies must be on crack.

Menorah was good but i wouldnt be too mad about todays race.

Cue Card pulled hard early and didnt find anything under pressure because of it.
The Nicholls horse was bad.

Id still rate Binocular, Hurricane Fly and Peddlers Cross above Menorah in the pecking order, but he is progressing nicely.

This is among one of the worst posts i've read on this site!

[Wesley Harms]

This is among one of the worst posts i've read on this site!

Care to elaborate because I do agree with parts of this.

Master Minded, official rating 178 was only an Even money shot to beat 159 rated Gauvain, the 156 rated Somersby (who shapes like a total stayer) and a 163 rated Petit Robin (who is ridiculously overrated imo). None are proper Grade 1 horses.

You think the above was a fair price then your insane. He was clearly an odds on chance and the price was insulting. Not that I'm complaining. And he was coming off the back of a good run at Ascot lto

Now I was really really impressed with Menorah, for a horse who loves to knuckle down and battle he showed a fantastic turn of foot did it really easily which would leave me to believe there was loads left. Very very taking performance.

Cue Card was to keen, pulled hard which probably ruined his chance. He will run in the Supreme Novices anyway and a strong favorite imo.

Silviniaco Contis race this year may be thr Aintree hurdle over 2 and a half before he goes chasing.

Binocular has to come from off a really strong pace it seems, similar to Rooster Booster. I'd run him in something like the Tote Gold Trophy, even off top weight he will be suited by the suicide pace. He's still a serious contender for thr Champion.

Peddlers Cross I'm still completely undecided about.

But I can't wait to see Hurricane Fly, if he stays sound he could be the real deal. Has all the potential in 'the world may turn out to be Well Chief mark II

[The Situation]

LOL don't even remember writing that post, was a tad drunk at the time, apologies for the harshness. 1/3 is a bit hyperbolic and I'm sure SM knows that. As for the rest, meh whatever my head hurts, I'm a Menorah fan!

[Starvin Marvin]

lol of course, but evens was madness, im a Master Minded fan

[HelloJellyFish]

Menorah was good but I still prefer Cue Card, sure he might have pulled hard early and didn't find anything under pressure because of it....I think the Jockey did not try his best on him and he still had plenty in the tank. If ever there is a rematch, I will still have my cash on Cue Card.

[Wesley Harms]

Menorah was good but I still prefer Cue Card, sure he might have pulled hard early and didn't find anything under pressure because of it....I think the Jockey did not try his best on him and he still had plenty in the tank. If ever there is a rematch, I will still have my cash on Cue Card.

Menorah was the one with plenty in the tank.

[Aya14]

Looking forward to racing today.

I think Hurricane fly is a little overpriced at 3's. When you consider he beat solwhit on his last run also that day he hadn't run for 5 and a half months.

The only horse I'd back all day apart from Hurricane is twist magician the Peterborough at newbury the trip will be no problem imo.

Excited to see mikael d'haguenet in his first run over fences on Irish soil. Also excited to see novices zaidpur in the second and high benefit at Bangor for thornton/king he is a real prospect imo.

[The Situation]

Looking forward to racing today.

I think Hurricane fly is a little overpriced at 3's. When you consider he beat solwhit on his last run also that day he hadn't run for 5 and a half months.

The only horse I'd back all day apart from Hurricane is twist magician the Peterborough at newbury the trip will be no problem imo.

Excited to see mikael d'haguenet in his first run over fences on Irish soil. Also excited to see novices zaidpur in the second and high benefit at Bangor for thornton/king he is a real prospect imo.

I've laid Twist Magic at Newbury. He's a tempermental character at the best of times but he's just downright poor going left handed. Probably very frustrating for owners because on his day he's exceptional, his performance in last seasons tingle creek was as perfect a chasing run as your likely too see.

[Wesley Harms]

Thats the Champion Hurdler right there folks

[Starvin Marvin]

Jesus Twist Magic is dead, terrible news.

Finkel stop going over the top with the HF hype.

Anyone that backs him ante post wants their head tested as well with his track record of making it to the Festival.

[Dice75]

Finkle can say what he likes.

[Starvin Marvin]

Finkle can say what he likes.

Maybe to you, not to me.

[The Situation]

I've laid Twist Magic at Newbury. He's a tempermental character at the best of times but he's just downright poor going left handed. Probably very frustrating for owners because on his day he's exceptional, his performance in last seasons tingle creek was as perfect a chasing run as your likely too see.

I don't think I've ever felt more guilty winning a lay. Didn't see the race, how did he get the fatal injury??

Good call on HF Aya!

[Wesley Harms]

I don't think I've ever felt more guilty winning a lay. Didn't see the race, how did he get the fatal injury??

Good call on HF Aya!

Broke a fetlock in the fall. Real shame.

It's not hype anymore with Hurricane Fly, he is the real deal, he has proven it. Bring on the Champion Hurdle

[Aya14]

Terrible news about Twist Magic.

Hurricane just needs to stay injury free. I reckon he'll love the hill.

[Starvin Marvin]

HF still has plenty to prove.

So far hes only beaten Solwhit who was firmly put in his place in March.
He has no course form, a history of injury problems and does all his work on the bridle and doesnt seem to quicken away like he looks like hes going to. Im not sure the undulations and hill of Cheltenham will suit.

At current prices id rather have Binocular and Peddlers Cross on my side.

[Wesley Harms]

HF still has plenty to prove.

So far hes only beaten Solwhit who was firmly put in his place in March.
He has no course form, a history of injury problems and does all his work on the bridle and doesnt seem to quicken away like he looks like hes going to. Im not sure the undulations and hill of Cheltenham will suit.

This is nonsense. He travels really well but always quickens up when needed. You say he does all his work in the bridle like he doesn't go thru with it.

Just because he doesn't win by 10 lengths means nothing. He gets the job done. Today was his seasonal debut over a trip further than he ran over before in Ireland. He clearly stays the trip and has bags of pace, the hill will hold no fears.

He doesn't run bad races and has far less to prove than most.

[Starvin Marvin]

You are always so blinkered, havent a notion.

[NewApproach]

I had exams today so couldn't see any races live; just watched replays of them.

Zaidpour was immensely impressive, has lived up to all the talk so far. Hopefully he can continue to stay sound, as he could be anything.

Hurricane Fly was very good, and if he stays sound he is a CH contender. However, he has no course form and his injury problems will always shadow plans for the horse. I still think he needs to improve to match Binoclar's best form though.

Couldn't have asked much more from Mikael D'Hageuenet's comeback. Jumped well for the most part and travelled well, not sure he would have won as the winner ran on well, but that's not really relevant; if he stays sound he can mop up novice races this season.

But over shadowing everything else was the sad loss of Twist Magic. A super horse on his day, and he is a big loss to his connections. As like The Situation I laid him, and felt pretty sick in the circumstances as I reckon he would have won.

[The Situation]

Zaidpour was immensely impressive, has lived up to all the talk so far. Hopefully he can continue to stay sound, as he could be anything.

Yep, this was the horse that stuck me today as the brightest Cheltenham prospect, whether it's in the Supreme novices or the Neptune. Very precocious talent, made light work of a grade 1 field.

He's joined Midnight Chase and Menorah on my Chelts radar.

[NewApproach]

Yep, this was the horse that stuck me today as the brightest Cheltenham prospect, whether it's in the Supreme novices or the Neptune. Very precocious talent, made light work of a grade 1 field.

He's joined Midnight Chase and Menorah on my Chelts radar.

I don't see why they wouldn't go for the Supreme to be honest, certainly not on the account of trying to avoid one horse (Cue Card). Today was over 2m and he obviously didn't lack pace. No point running in the longer race for the sake of it.

Midnight Chase; Gold Cup???

[The Situation]

I don't see why they wouldn't go for the Supreme to be honest, certainly not on the account of trying to avoid one horse (Cue Card). Today was over 2m and he obviously didn't lack pace. No point running in the longer race for the sake of it.

Midnight Chase; Gold Cup???

Yeah seems to be the route the owners want to take it. Took a bit of 33's on Hills after it's win last Friday. There's not many horses who can clatter a fence two out coming up the hill losing all momentum and recover to win the way he did. His previous Cheltenham wins were all impressive too. Obv a long shot but I think he'll be shorter come the race, he'll give me a good honest front running ride for my money anyway.

[Aya14]

Backing the Fly antepost for CH would be madness because he has glass knees if he gets there healthy I could see him galloping all over Binocular. If you are backing now you would have to do it with Ladbrokes for the nrnb.

Peddlers cross is a big danger imo the most progressive horse since the summer of 2009.
With every run he jumps cleaner and faster.
Go Native won't be fit may not be good enough anyway.
Solwhit isn't good enough.
That leaves Menorah who is a big danger to all too but like Binocular I can envisage Hurricane Fly having too much galloping speed for them.

Hurricane Fly covers every 200 yards at an average of around 12 seconds for the first half of a race and the 3rd quarter we'll call it he actually slows somewhat to 12.5 seconds but the last 800yards or 4 furlongs he can cover at 10.5 seconds thats phenominal cruising and gear changing. The hill won't be a problem either with his ability to increase speed.
I don't think Binocular will be able to live with him at the turn for home Peddlers cross and Menorah remain somewhat unknown entities though. Its a long way off and I wont be having a bet for a while but all signs in my head point to Hurricane Fly unless someone does soemthing special between now and March.

[Line Us]

Bit late but got a tip for Evesham Star in the 1.05 at clonmel if anyone fancies a flutter.

[NewApproach]

Hurricane Fly covers every 200 yards at an average of around 12 seconds for the first half of a race and the 3rd quarter we'll call it he actually slows somewhat to 12.5 seconds but the last 800yards or 4 furlongs he can cover at 10.5 seconds thats phenominal cruising and gear changing. The hill won't be a problem either with his ability to increase speed.
I don't think Binocular will be able to live with him at the turn for home Peddlers cross and Menorah remain somewhat unknown entities though. Its a long way off and I wont be having a bet for a while but all signs in my head point to Hurricane Fly unless someone does soemthing special between now and March.

This is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever read on any horse racing forum. He's a potential Champion Hurdler, not a July Cup winner.

[Dice75]

Bit late but got a tip for Evesham Star in the 1.05 at clonmel if anyone fancies a flutter.

Close - e/w money back anyhow

[DAMO72]

Bit late but got a tip for Evesham Star in the 1.05 at clonmel if anyone fancies a flutter.

Nice one , had a good E/w Punt at 8's . Thanks Line us

[The Situation]

Bit late but got a tip for Evesham Star in the 1.05 at clonmel if anyone fancies a flutter.

thought it looked stronger 2 out. Nice place money though. cheers

[Line Us]

Looked like a winner 2 out alright, ah well, decent effort and a bit of profit.

[The C Kid]

This is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever read on any horse racing forum. He's a potential Champion Hurdler, not a July Cup winner.

What was the rubbish element of the post?

The fractions?

[Iago]

Bit late but got a tip for Evesham Star in the 1.05 at clonmel if anyone fancies a flutter.

backed in from 16/1 this morning to 7's by the time of the off.

Got on at 12's e/w so a reasonable profit even without the win.

Cheers!

[NewApproach]

What was the rubbish element of the post?

The fractions?

Yeah, name me the last hurdler who could run 2m in anywhere near 3.13, or any horse who can run 4f in 42seconds.

I know HF has super potential, but no need for the hyperbole.

[Starvin Marvin]

Backing the Fly antepost for CH would be madness because he has glass knees if he gets there healthy I could see him galloping all over Binocular. If you are backing now you would have to do it with Ladbrokes for the nrnb.

Peddlers cross is a big danger imo the most progressive horse since the summer of 2009.
With every run he jumps cleaner and faster.
Go Native won't be fit may not be good enough anyway.
Solwhit isn't good enough.
That leaves Menorah who is a big danger to all too but like Binocular I can envisage Hurricane Fly having too much galloping speed for them.

Hurricane Fly covers every 200 yards at an average of around 12 seconds for the first half of a race and the 3rd quarter we'll call it he actually slows somewhat to 12.5 seconds but the last 800yards or 4 furlongs he can cover at 10.5 seconds thats phenominal cruising and gear changing. The hill won't be a problem either with his ability to increase speed.
I don't think Binocular will be able to live with him at the turn for home Peddlers cross and Menorah remain somewhat unknown entities though. Its a long way off and I wont be having a bet for a while but all signs in my head point to Hurricane Fly unless someone does soemthing special between now and March.

Binocular at his best still has 10lbs to spare over HF.

He will not be galloping all over him at all.

[Aya14]

This is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever read on any horse racing forum. He's a potential Champion Hurdler, not a July Cup winner.

Heehee its supposed to 11.5. I left out a crucial part about those sectionals and the early stage of the race. I'll dig up the article.

Binocular at his best still has 10lbs to spare over HF.

He will not be galloping all over him at all.

Fancy giving me 11/10 in a match bet?
Non runner no bet

[Starvin Marvin]

Fancy giving me 11/10 in a match bet?
Non runner no bet

No.

Binoculars best form is ground dependent.
On the day i would be happy too id say though if things were in his favour.