I wasn't sure if I should post this as everything was sorted in the end. However as some people have said, the players deserve to know what happened anyway.
It was the 100-200 level when this hand occurred. UTG raises to 600, I call on the button with A9. The BB completes. The flop comes down 10 high and the BB checks, UTG then bets 600, I call. Before the BB has a chance to call,raise or fold the dealer turns a Queen.
Theres a good bit of confusion and I ask for a ruling. The BB then says "Ah Im out now anyways" and just mucks. Myself and UTG ask for the floor to be called and the dealer is hesitant. This was the start of a major fuck up imo. The acting TD came over and asked what the action had been. It was explained to him twice by the dealer and by myself and UTG. Now it was incoherent and alot of chirp going on. I have no doubt it was hard for the TD to get a real grasp of what had happened. The BB having folded I believe added alot more confusion.
Anyway the ruling was made that the card stands on the basis that action has taken place and we are to carry on. UTG is quite disgruntled and checks. I bet hoping to take it away then and there and he calls the bet of 1700. The river is an Ace and he checks and I bet 3500. He calls and mucks Kings face up. He was angry with the ruling and the TD and him were continuing their discussion. I agreed that the turn should of been re-shuffled and that's why I called for the floor.
It was the last hand of before the break and I stayed around because the argument was still going on between UTG and TD. I said to the guy beside me at the table "just watch his stack, he might get chips back here". He had one yellow chip left(5k).
I came back 5 minutes later and there was now 2 yellow chips in his stack. I asked the dealer minding the table if the TD had given UTG chips. He didn't want to answer but when pushed confirmed he had indeed been given a 5k chip.
I called the TD on this and he said that it was the fair thing to do because the mistake was made and that he was a regular and was pissed off and looking for his money back. I was outraged and said that it was an wrong ruling for sure but that reintroducing chips to any player is not fair on every other player in the tournament. I also expressed that had I lost the hand would I of received any chips back?
Denise got involved and I said my piece and went outside to calm down and when I came back to the table, UTG had been now stripped of the 5k chip. UTG told me he did not ask for the chips back but was angry with the ruling. It just was a fuck up from start to finish bit I have never seen anybody be given extra chips on the basis that they are a regular and a poor ruling was made.
The TD was apologetic to me and I dont believe he was trying to screw anyone over but surely thats a basic no no for a TD. He was trying to make right his mistake but it shocked me. Also the underhandness of how it was done. I f I had not of spotted it, none of the players would of been informed that UTG now had an extra 5k.
Any opinions? Does anyone think UTG should have been given chips back?
It was the 100-200 level when this hand occurred. UTG raises to 600, I call on the button with A9. The BB completes. The flop comes down 10 high and the BB checks, UTG then bets 600, I call. Before the BB has a chance to call,raise or fold the dealer turns a Queen.
Theres a good bit of confusion and I ask for a ruling. The BB then says "Ah Im out now anyways" and just mucks. Myself and UTG ask for the floor to be called and the dealer is hesitant. This was the start of a major fuck up imo. The acting TD came over and asked what the action had been. It was explained to him twice by the dealer and by myself and UTG. Now it was incoherent and alot of chirp going on. I have no doubt it was hard for the TD to get a real grasp of what had happened. The BB having folded I believe added alot more confusion.
Anyway the ruling was made that the card stands on the basis that action has taken place and we are to carry on. UTG is quite disgruntled and checks. I bet hoping to take it away then and there and he calls the bet of 1700. The river is an Ace and he checks and I bet 3500. He calls and mucks Kings face up. He was angry with the ruling and the TD and him were continuing their discussion. I agreed that the turn should of been re-shuffled and that's why I called for the floor.
It was the last hand of before the break and I stayed around because the argument was still going on between UTG and TD. I said to the guy beside me at the table "just watch his stack, he might get chips back here". He had one yellow chip left(5k).
I came back 5 minutes later and there was now 2 yellow chips in his stack. I asked the dealer minding the table if the TD had given UTG chips. He didn't want to answer but when pushed confirmed he had indeed been given a 5k chip.
I called the TD on this and he said that it was the fair thing to do because the mistake was made and that he was a regular and was pissed off and looking for his money back. I was outraged and said that it was an wrong ruling for sure but that reintroducing chips to any player is not fair on every other player in the tournament. I also expressed that had I lost the hand would I of received any chips back?
Denise got involved and I said my piece and went outside to calm down and when I came back to the table, UTG had been now stripped of the 5k chip. UTG told me he did not ask for the chips back but was angry with the ruling. It just was a fuck up from start to finish bit I have never seen anybody be given extra chips on the basis that they are a regular and a poor ruling was made.
The TD was apologetic to me and I dont believe he was trying to screw anyone over but surely thats a basic no no for a TD. He was trying to make right his mistake but it shocked me. Also the underhandness of how it was done. I f I had not of spotted it, none of the players would of been informed that UTG now had an extra 5k.
Any opinions? Does anyone think UTG should have been given chips back?
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