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Old 27-07-12, 14:19   #1
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Saw this in the Fitz EOM FT last night & curious as to what ruling you'd give.....

Blinds 5/10k (I think)

7 left.

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(Seat 1) raises to 30k, folded around to player (IPBer) who announces all-in and pushes chips forward (31k).


Back to Seat 1 who doesn't seem to be paying attention and says "nah, I'll let you have it" & throws KJo face up in front of dealer. Most people not paying attention & a bit of chatting going on so I'm not sure who heard what he said.


IPBer turns over 66 but I think has kinda copped to whats going on. Dealer goes to put cards side by side & says "its only 1k more" as does another player at the table. I think other player has realised Seat 1 was trying to fold & wants a bustout (cant be sure - but decent money jumps).

IPBer says nothing (but I think kinda wanted to) & hand runs out with J high to bust him. Nothing is said.




Questions are -

A) Should I have said something? no
B) If it had of been argued by IPBer would you back them up or say nothing? I would say what I heard despite wanting a bustout
C) What do you think the ruling would be? God knows



Edit - in fairness to dealer I don't think she was listening to Seat 1 when he spoke as everyone obviously was anticipating a call.

Although its only a 9bb pot, ave stack is probably only 22bbs so with money on offer its still significant.

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Old 27-07-12, 14:25   #2
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table should have been flipped at the injustice.
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Old 27-07-12, 14:31   #3
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A) I'd probably say something
B) I would have mucked without showing. In all honesty if I knew them I would back them up
C) IPB'r wins the hand rules are rules and the hand was clearly folded
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Old 27-07-12, 14:37   #4
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You have answered all the questions correctly yourself.
Unfortunately I've heard this kind of situation getting different ruling in the Fitz.

If I had been IPB'er (LOL FT of EOM , unlikely ) I'd have kicked up a fuss
but I would never ever have flipped the 66. If I had some compelling reason for showing it would have been after the chips were stacked.
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Old 27-07-12, 14:43   #5
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You have answered all the questions correctly yourself.
Unfortunately I've heard this kind of situation getting different ruling in the Fitz.

If I had been IPB'er (LOL FT of EOM , unlikely ) I'd have kicked up a fuss
but I would never ever have flipped the 66. If I had some compelling reason for showing it would have been after the chips were stacked.
It was only after he flipped them over (assuming a call for the extra 1k as did everyone else - Seat 1 had 200k) that I think he realised something was amiss. If i see him this weekend I'll ask him to comment. Again I'm not 100% he did fully realise what was going on.
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It was only after he flipped them over (assuming a call for the extra 1k as did everyone else - Seat 1 had 200k) that I think he realised something was amiss. If i see him this weekend I'll ask him to comment. Again I'm not 100% he did fully realise what was going on.
What were you doing at the FT anyway?

Bah, the IPBer shipped his 3 bbs fully expecting a race, don't think this is that bad really. Original raiser could equally have meant 'you're ahead'?
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Heh, just seen who the IPBer was. I'd say he took it well anyhow.
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What were you doing at the FT anyway?

Bah, the IPBer shipped his 3 bbs fully expecting a race, don't think this is that bad really. Original raiser could equally have meant 'you're ahead'?
100% not, he intended to fold not realising how much the all-in was for imo.

Saying he expected a race, yes, but getting a 40% average stack in a 30k tourney is far more preferable in my mind without taking a 50/50 for an extra 1k chip.
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100% not, he intended to fold not realising how much the all-in was for imo.

Saying he expected a race, yes, but getting a 40% average stack in a €30k tourney is far more preferable in my mind without taking a 50/50 for an extra 1k chip.
true, I don't think I'd be annoyed myself though.

I certainly wouldn't say anything in your spot!
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Old 27-07-12, 15:25   #11
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100% not, he intended to fold not realising how much the all-in was for imo.

Saying he expected a race, yes, but getting a 40% average stack in a 30k tourney is far more preferable in my mind without taking a 50/50 for an extra 1k chip.
I was seat 2 and I read it a little differently. I was sure seat 1 thought the 'IPBer' shove was less than his initial raise and was flipping his cards for a showdown expecting to be dominated/behind hence his "I'll let you have it" comment. It was only then it was pointed out that he needed to stick in another 1k chip for the call. I do agree it was all very strange though.

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Old 27-07-12, 16:04   #12
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I was seat 2 and I read it a little differently. I was sure seat 1 thought the 'IPBer' shove was less than his initial raise and was flipping his cards for a showdown expecting to be dominated/behind hence his "I'll let you have it" comment. It was only then it was pointed out that he needed to stick in another 1k chip for the call. I do agree it was all very strange though.
Maybe, it was the look on his face that made me think differently.

Also the reach for his cards.

Suppose we'll never know.
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I was seat 2 and I read it a little differently. I was sure seat 1 thought the 'IPBer' shove was less than his initial raise and was flipping his cards for a showdown expecting to be dominated/behind hence his "I'll let you have it" comment. It was only then it was pointed out that he needed to stick in another 1k chip for the call. I do agree it was all very strange though.
'I'll let you have it' means, 'I'm folding' 100% of the time. lol @ Seat 1 not even being aware of the stack size and just folding to any raise. Sounds like a dream. IMO, it boils down to the old chestnut of whether the dealer should announce the total of the allin bet and make the other player aware. Seat 1 folded, IPBer wins the pot and Seat 1 should feel a bit silly for not paying attention. 1k more? What if it was 5k, 12k or 22k more? They should obviously all be calls but if Seat 1 decides to fold, fair play to him. Give the other guy the chips and move on
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lol 3x opening, everything else seems in order
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Old 27-07-12, 19:46   #15
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Misread the thread title as "onions", expected something else. Carry on
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